well around the time it was posted, everyone was speculating about what my role in the game was, and i just said that I'd be on later to post either about, accepting or dening what ever one was saying about me. and what i meant by not talk is, just what i meant, not talk about my role at all, which is what i did. sorry if i was confusing.
Well, I read through like 10 pages last night, and the rest this morning just now.
I carefully went over how suspicious, and what each post was trying to do.
Passdog seems innocent. All he's done since page 2 is defend himself.
The Y did nothing suspicious as far as I know (if he did someone point it out?)
TWS seems to (or seemed to, anyway) really want Passdog lynched. Why? I don't know. He's been on the defensive for the past 13 pages. He then unvoted, imo, quite possibly to get rid of any future pressure he may have. I know I can't be sure, but who can be?
Vote That Which Squeaks
Unfortunately, I don't know how much more we can speculate now..
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Well, I read through like 10 pages last night, and the rest this morning just now.
I carefully went over how suspicious, and what each post was trying to do.
Passdog seems innocent. All he's done since page 2 is defend himself.
The Y did nothing suspicious as far as I know (if he did someone point it out?)
TWS seems to (or seemed to, anyway) really want Passdog lynched. Why? I don't know. He's been on the defensive for the past 13 pages. He then unvoted, imo, quite possibly to get rid of any future pressure he may have. I know I can't be sure, but who can be?
Vote That Which Squeaks
Unfortunately, I don't know how much more we can speculate now..
I did really want passdog lynched. Why? Because I thought he was scum. I don't understand how people can go after me for trying to lynch someone I thought was scum. He managed to convince me otherwise, and now I've unvoted. If you're suspicous of me, fine, but I really wish you and MMoD didn't use this logic against me. I was trying to help the town. Now I think what I was trying to accomplish would hurt the town, so I've stopped seeking it.
I dunno.. I just don't see how 13 pages od defensive looks like scum.
My vote stands for now, but I'm not so sure anymore.
He seemed overly defensive to me, but as I looked back I began to see more and more that, as he put it, he had dug himself a hole, and didn't know how to get out. Your vote standing is fine, just know that I really was trying to help the town, and so I changed my vote.
Well I think the game must go on. Let's all just vote for the most suspicious person. I don't think we're gonna get anywhere reading too deeply into everything.
Or maybe we go no lynch? If we all vote no lynch, what happens? The 3 (I assume) mafia kill 3 townies and we continue? Cause that wouldn't be good...
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bertrand: Reread the first post, the mafia as a group vote to kill 1 townie. If no one gets lynched the mafia will kill someone and we'll be left with what probably will be a 3v6.
If we are going to lynch anyone I think passdog still seems our best bet, but frankly we first have to consider if our best bet is a good bet. Also remember, that the no lynch option was first proposed by passdog, but I've already argued with myself on that one.
Paranoid's post seems all in good logic to me and since that refutes much of Passdog's defense it seems to me that a lynching could be worthwhile. A lack of a lynch here gives the mafia a free night to do what they want and I've now had time to go over the pages between my posts. I believe that a lynch on Passdog is not a wasted lynch.
I think a death, even of a townie, will reveal a lot of information. I do understand that what I'm going to say will probably point some fingers at me, but here goes my logic:
Now we are going blind. We have people that trying to kill people and people trying to protect people. If we know the role of the player in the center of all this, Passdog in this case, we can try and understand why did any one acted as he did.
I am fully aware that we might lynch a townie (and that if we do, I'll probably be the next one on the stand), but I think that Passdog gave us enough reasons to suspect him.
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Passdog-(The Y, Chimpanzee, BroomHead, Paranoid, NavyJoe, Beaker)
That Which Squeaks-(mystery meat of doom)
No Lynch-(Passdog)
Not Voting
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Passdog Lynch Scene The day begins with the same dread and paranoia that each day this week has had. Students passing in the hall give each other suspicious looks, teachers try in vain to keep their classes upbeat, and everyone feels that something awful is going to happen. Throughout the day, one student seems to be passing lots of notes and sending secret signals to other students. What is he up to? How does he know what he thinks he knows? A group of you decide to confront him after school. You take him to a the forest on the outskirts of town, and you begin your interrogation.
"What do you think you know about me?"
"Why have you been snoopy around so much?"
"What were you doing the night Jenny was killed?"
At first he is compliant an answers all your questions, much to your liking. But things soon get out of hand.
"He must have killed Jenny! We have to send a message to the others!"
It starts with just a few of you beating him, but before long, no one knows what's going on.
"HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO JENNY!" one girl cries, as she brings a brick down onto his head. You all step back and look at what you've done in horror. You begin frantically searching his bookbag for evidence that he was one of the killers. You find only a journal. Reading through it for a bit, you determine 2 things to be true.
First of all, he did not kill Jenny. Second, you have broken a major Horror Movie rule by killing him. Tobias was a Virgin. After dumping his body in the river to conceal the evidence, you realize that you now have no choice but to find the killers. It is only a matter of time before he is found.
Upon arriving home, a young girl rushes into her room and begins to cry. Her mother asks her what is wrong, but gets no answer. How could she have done such a thing? After reflecting on the days events, she decides she can't sit inside while the killers are free. The situation has become to grave.
Passdog - Tobias, The Virgin - Town Doctor has been lynched. It is now Night 1. The mafia may now communicate, and all night choices are due 72 hours from the time of this post.
EDIT: No posting in the thread at night. Passdog gets one "BLAH" post because he died, which he has used. There should be no more posting until Day 2.
Night 1 At 3 in the morning, Maria heads quickly down the street. Certain she knows who killed her beloved friend, she's determined to find evidence. Unfortunatly, she notices a figure following her.
Quickining her pace, she makes the classic horror movie mistake of trying to take a short cut through a dark alley. Her follower begins to sprint, just as a masked man steps out in front of her.
"Where are you going?"
She tries to scream, but he covers her mouth, and starts strangling her. It isn't long before it's all over.
Morning The talk of the morning is the new death. The killers are still at large, and the cops still have no hard leads. Once again, it's up all up to you. While everyone hustles through the hallways, one boy stands soberly at his locker.
"I can't let them get away with this," he mumbles to himself. The bell rings, the hallway clears, and he remains. It's several more minutes before he becomes resolved. He must avenge Jenny and her best friend, Maria.
BroomHead - Maria, Jenny's Best Friend - Town Cop has been nightkilled. It is now Day 2. With 9 players alive, it's 5 to lynch.
So... I go to the movies and come back to find you lynched our doctor. Now I wake up to find that the Cop is dead too. We need to make sure to lynch mafia today... hopefully theres a backup cop or doc of some sort too. But, anyone have any thoughts on who we should be aiming for?
Blargh...right now, there are 2 people topping my suspicious list.
TWS: For the reasons stated before. Even though I was positive he(Passdog) was mafia, he was rushing everyone to vote.
bertrand: For his remark about, let's just lynch the most suspicious person. He didn't vote, but he was about lynching the most suspicious person, at the time was Passdog.
Blargh...right now, there are 2 people topping my suspicious list.
TWS: For the reasons stated before. Even though I was positive he(Passdog) was mafia, he was rushing everyone to vote.
bertrand: For his remark about, let's just lynch the most suspicious person. He didn't vote, but he was about lynching the most suspicious person, at the time was Passdog.
Vote: That Which Speaks
So.... you we're positive Passdog was mafia as well. I voted for him, yes, and I tried to get other people to vote for him, yes, because he was scum. However, if you didn't notice, I began to doubt myself. And it turns out my doubts were correct. I don't feel I'm cleared by any of the events, but I certainly feel I shouldn't be under suspicion. I reviewed everything, and I began to state that I did not believe him to be mafia anymore. He managed to convince me of that. Going after me for something I did, that you agreed with, then changed, which was the right decision, is not good logic in my opinion. FOS: NavyJoe
Why did you suddenly believe him not to be mafia anymore? Why did you doubt? I've asked you this before and you didn't answer me. The fact that Passdog was not mafia is not relevant. At that time he was too suspicious. I don't understand how you suddenly changed your mind. FOS: That Wich Sqeauks
On a sidenote d#'s replacement godless_angel hasn't posted yet. Of course he came at a very unfortunate time *just before Passdog's death and thus night* but I want to at least here something from him.
Quick note: I think d20 is back, as he had a post before the night scene.
Alrighty, for the record I didn't suddenly change my mind, I reviewed all of Passdog's posts and my notes on him, and the posts in his defense, combined with a relook at his earlier posts made them look less scummy to me, and more a panicked townie trying to get out of trouble. I combined his most recent posts with looks back on his old ones, and I began to feel I made a mistake. Attempting to get him lynched was not a mistake, because I felt he was scum. But, when he finally began to review his old posts I began to rethink it. I was still suspicous of him to a degree, but I didn't feel he was mafia. So, I unvoted and began to think about what I should do, but before I could reach any decisions Passdog was lynched. I was correct in my call, so why am I under suspicion for it?
I was right then, when I said Passdog wasn't mafia.
@Paranoid. I didn't include you or the others because I thought that TWS and The Y were the ones who really supported the lynching of Passdog. My reasoning was this: I didn't think Passdog was mafia, and The Y and TWS seemed to want to lynch him badly, moreso then I would think a townie would, so therefore I think they are the mafia. The thing I said about mafia protecting each other COULD apply to me IF i bothered defending him before he was about to get lynched.
Well, now that we know that Passdog was the doctor, I'm going to stay with my old vote. FOS: TWS. I'll probably be voting for him soon.
And if we look at CropCircle's first post, we know that the person who called her was female (judging from the way they talked). So that's probably one of the mafia right? I wonder if this helps at all.
I was right then, when I said Passdog wasn't mafia.
@Paranoid. I didn't include you or the others because I thought that TWS and The Y were the ones who really supported the lynching of Passdog. My reasoning was this: I didn't think Passdog was mafia, and The Y and TWS seemed to want to lynch him badly, moreso then I would think a townie would, so therefore I think they are the mafia. The thing I said about mafia protecting each other COULD apply to me IF i bothered defending him before he was about to get lynched.
Well, now that we know that Passdog was the doctor, I'm going to stay with my old vote. FOS: TWS. I'll probably be voting for him soon.
And if we look at CropCircle's first post, we know that the person who called her was female (judging from the way they talked). So that's probably one of the mafia right? I wonder if this helps at all.
Indeed, you were correct. Realize if I had really wanted Passdog lynched, I would have kept my vote on him, and he would have been dead long before. I gave what I did, and I was considering what I could do to best help the town. However, I went out for a few hours and couldn't say anything. I feel I made it clear that I no longer felt he was mafia. I'm fine with people being suspicous of me, but if you are please do it for a different reason than "I wanted the person who everyone thought was scum, and eventually lynched, lynched."
d24478667 did return, but unfortunatly, not until after he missed his deadline to post. I would have kept him in, but I had already sent godless his Role PM, and godless was reading the thread catching up.
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That Which Squeaks-(NavyJoe)
Not Voting
godless_angel, bertrand, That Which Squeaks, The Y, mystery meat of doom, Chimpanzee, Paranoid, Beaker
I was rereading the posts, and noticed Chimpanzee really didn't post much until he casted the final vote. IMO, this seems scummy. He really only chimed in to vote off Passdog. I'm unvote: TWS, VOTE: CHIMPANZEE. I would also like to: FOS: TWS - for reasons stated. FOS: The Y - he was side by side with TWS.
it says the pm got to me at 3:17 pm Saturday, saying that i had 24 hours left to post. i posted 3:18 pm Sunday. I can understand that im out, i just don't understand that 1 minute, makes that much of a difference.
@TWS. I understand your reasoning now, but could it be that you saw that there was enough people to lynch him, so you drew out in order to avoid looking suspicious? Just speculationg
I was rereading the posts, and noticed Chimpanzee really didn't post much until he casted the final vote. IMO, this seems scummy. He really only chimed in to vote off Passdog. I'm unvote: TWS, VOTE: CHIMPANZEE. I would also like to: FOS: TWS - for reasons stated. FOS: The Y - he was side by side with TWS.
I did not cast the final vote. I voted for passdog after paranoid showed why most of the arguments defending him were faulty I had already FOS'd passdog but needed something more to be reasonably sure he was guilty and paranoid's arguments seemed perfectly rational to me. I had the option of getting passdog lynched much earlier than that when he had 4 votes already but I was waiting to see if any better evidence would show up. The best evidence that showed up afterwards was paranoid's post which was logical evidence against passdog. The reason I was not posting much is, as I had said in a previous post, I had family visiting for Thanksgiving break. Also, I gave the fifth vote, it was The Y that killed. So to be totally honest, if you are going to use the last vote as grounds for suspicion, it should be The Y.
I did not cast the final vote. I voted for passdog after paranoid showed why most of the arguments defending him were faulty I had already FOS'd passdog but needed something more to be reasonably sure he was guilty and paranoid's arguments seemed perfectly rational to me. I had the option of getting passdog lynched much earlier than that when he had 4 votes already but I was waiting to see if any better evidence would show up. The best evidence that showed up afterwards was paranoid's post which was logical evidence against passdog. The reason I was not posting much is, as I had said in a previous post, I had family visiting for Thanksgiving break. Also, I gave the fifth vote, it was The Y that killed. So to be totally honest, if you are going to use the last vote as grounds for suspicion, it should be The Y.
FOS: The Y
That's not much defense. If you're mafia, it would seem to me that it's logical to vote for the person with the majority of votes to get them lynched if you know whether or not they're mafia. And you don't want to be the last cause that will obviously look suspicious. So you aim to be second last, that way, you look normal and still get the innocent guy lynched. You know someone's gonna be feeling impulsive and cast the 6th vote and get the person lynched, mafia or not.
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Then why wouldn't I have taken the fifth vote when passdog had four votes before? If I was trying to create that situation I could have done it much earlier while passdog was under pressure from several other people and that probably would have ended up as a quick lynching if I voted and echoed what everyone else was saying. Instead I just FOS'd him and waited to see if anything more convincing would turn up. If I were mafia it would have been perfectly logical to vote then.
If I were worried about my vote looking suspicious, why would I vote in a similar situation later on? I delayed my vote because I was worried about lynching the wrong guy so I waited for more information. I now know that I should have waited for even more but I'm still not sure that any more information could have been determined.
it says the pm got to me at 3:17 pm Saturday, saying that i had 24 hours left to post. i posted 3:18 pm Sunday. I can understand that im out, i just don't understand that 1 minute, makes that much of a difference.
Actually, I sent the PM to you at 3:17 AM. You were 12 hours late.
Vote Count
Chimpanzee-(NavyJoe)
The Y-(bertrand)
Not Voting
godless_angel, That Which Squeaks, The Y, mystery meat of doom, Chimpanzee, Paranoid, Beaker
@paranoid: It's been less then 12 hours since day started. I can't just give the role back to d244 because he happens to be around at the moment. If godless ends up being inactive, then sure, but I don't see that as very likely.
The two people that I am most suspicious of are The Y and TWS. They were the two who did most of the attacking on passdog. Of those two The Y seems to be the more likely one. He took the quick kill and gave some pretty strange logic. A townie death is never good unless that death clearly gives away a mafia member.
I am fully aware that we might lynch a townie.
If he believed that there was that much of a chance of passdog being townie he definitely should have waited for voting.
I'll wait for The Y's defense before voting. I can't really blame him for being suspicious of passdog, but I'd like to hear why he killed when he had stated that he thought there was a good chance of passdog being a townie.
I'm keeping my vote until we hear what Godless_angel has to say.
Until then, will you, BroomHead, could explain what you said earlyer?
I'm talking about this:
This is a bit suspicious. You said you would wait for Godless, but instead you decided to jump the train even though you said that we might lynch a townie. TWS decided that Passdog wasn't mafia, and you said you understood Passdog's logic and even said that you would wait for his defense. But then it didn't seem like you considered his defense before lynching him.
Thanks for waiting for me to post before you vote.
I did a mistake. I didn'k of one posibility, which looks pretty obvious after the lynch. It didn't come to me that Passdog could be the Doc.
As I said before, I do understand the fingers pointed at me. You do have a good reason.
Why did I vote for him? Because I was 99% sure he was mafia (and you all know I'm not the only one). I was almost sure that we can get him, being mafia, and by that getting other mafiosos (I won't say names since the whole situation changet and those thoughts are not relevant any more).
In my defence I can only say a mafia wouldn't be likely to give the last vote and that did have good reasons to think he was scum. Most of you thought he was scum.
I learned something important - Don't jump to conclusions and be careful. You can always miss something.
I do ask you to think more before a lynch. Not because of me, but because not thinking got our Doc killed.
Remember, the only team that can kill its own is town, we don't want to get in a even wors situation.
Yeah, I'm just getting the facts straight for now. I don't want to accidentally lynch a backup doc or cop if we have one. But knowing our luck, the next person probably will be non-vanilla if how things are going now keep on going.
Alright all, I just got in from a day of travelling back to boarding school, and I'm too tired to think right now. I glance over the last few pages, which gives me a Minor FOS: The Y, but I need sleep before I can think too critically. I'll try to get on sometime early tomorrow and post my thoughts, but for now don't do anything rash.
Okay so there are two possibilities explaining The Y's behavior day 1:
1. He just happened to believe the same thing that I and 1 or 2 other people believed and chose to vote at a very inconvenient time.
2. He is mafia and went with the general opinion (I'm noticing that most of what he says is echoing what other posters had already said*) until that brought him to an easy lynching opportunity.
*This could either be used to support the mafia argument or could just mean that he has simply believed what everyone else said.
I do believe that if you read carefully, you'll find other people hecoing me, and not viceversa.
I do believe in what I did, and I now know I should be more careful.
It is my first game and I do mistakes. But I did do what I thought was right. Don't forget that other 5 players had their vote on him too.
Ones you have the idea that some one is scum it's hard to change your mind, that's what got Passdog in the first place.
And just another question:
Before we lynched Passdog, there was a lonly FOS on me. If you didn't even suspect me then, why am I so scumy now? What changed?
I did a newb mistake, I didn;t think about all the options and I wanted Day 1 to end. I was sure I'm ending it in a mafia kill that will get us more mafias. I was wrong.
If you deside to lynch me I'll get lynched, no question about it, but I do ask you to think before you act. It got us screwd ones and it will screw us again.
Just another thing:
The Cop was killed because of Passdog. You do understand that if he wouldn't be lynched "yesterday" he would have been lynched today. I do think we had a very good reason to lynch him - He gave the mafia the Cop.
All that said, lynch me if you want. I just know how you will read my posts after I'm gone.
By the way, I do thing I'm the easyest player for the mafia to bandwagon. Have it in mind.
I didn't think it exposed the cop I just thought it was just plain wierd and even a bit scummy. I looked and I think the first real mention of BroomHead possibly being a cop is Passdog on page 6 and that seems to be just plain speculation that turned out fatal since it incriminated Passdog and apparently tipped off the mafia about BroomHead.
That's what I meant. I guess "tipped them off" wasn't really the right way to phrase it. It made BroomHead into a fairly obvious and unfortunately correct choice.
Okay. Back to the more relevant issue. We need to figure out whether The Y is telling the truth or a very good actor. His actions seem incriminating, but his defense seems reasonably plausible. I'm gonna go reread his posts.
My Employer ID is: 31946
mmmm....cookies
I carefully went over how suspicious, and what each post was trying to do.
Passdog seems innocent. All he's done since page 2 is defend himself.
The Y did nothing suspicious as far as I know (if he did someone point it out?)
TWS seems to (or seemed to, anyway) really want Passdog lynched. Why? I don't know. He's been on the defensive for the past 13 pages. He then unvoted, imo, quite possibly to get rid of any future pressure he may have. I know I can't be sure, but who can be?
Vote That Which Squeaks
Unfortunately, I don't know how much more we can speculate now..
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I did really want passdog lynched. Why? Because I thought he was scum. I don't understand how people can go after me for trying to lynch someone I thought was scum. He managed to convince me otherwise, and now I've unvoted. If you're suspicous of me, fine, but I really wish you and MMoD didn't use this logic against me. I was trying to help the town. Now I think what I was trying to accomplish would hurt the town, so I've stopped seeking it.
My vote stands for now, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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He seemed overly defensive to me, but as I looked back I began to see more and more that, as he put it, he had dug himself a hole, and didn't know how to get out. Your vote standing is fine, just know that I really was trying to help the town, and so I changed my vote.
I see your point.
Unvote That Which Squeaks
FoS: Chimpanzee. That first post looks a little strange.
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I was just joking around a bit and saying it was too early to vote.
3CB and 4CB5CB!@Chimpanzee: Random voting is part of the very beginning of each mafia game, check World Domination Mafia for example, if you did not know.
Or maybe we go no lynch? If we all vote no lynch, what happens? The 3 (I assume) mafia kill 3 townies and we continue? Cause that wouldn't be good...
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If we are going to lynch anyone I think passdog still seems our best bet, but frankly we first have to consider if our best bet is a good bet. Also remember, that the no lynch option was first proposed by passdog, but I've already argued with myself on that one.
3CB and 4CB5CB!I think at this point until someone stands out guilty I think I would vote no lynch.
The only thing that makes Passdog look suspicious is the fact that he erally got overdefensive.
Anyway, I have to leave now. I'll be back in a few hours.
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Vote: Passdog
3CB and 4CB5CB!Passdog-(Chimpanzee, BroomHead, Paranoid, NavyJoe, Beaker)
That Which Squeaks-(mystery meat of doom)
No Lynch-(Passdog)
Not Voting
d24478667, bertrand, That Which Squeaks, The Y
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Now we are going blind. We have people that trying to kill people and people trying to protect people. If we know the role of the player in the center of all this, Passdog in this case, we can try and understand why did any one acted as he did.
I am fully aware that we might lynch a townie (and that if we do, I'll probably be the next one on the stand), but I think that Passdog gave us enough reasons to suspect him.
That said, Vote: Passdog.
May the night begin...
Random Vote: The Y
Some info: I'm Jackie in this. Won't tell you what it means, but it isn't mafia.
Passdog-(The Y, Chimpanzee, BroomHead, Paranoid, NavyJoe, Beaker)
That Which Squeaks-(mystery meat of doom)
No Lynch-(Passdog)
Not Voting
d24478667, bertrand, That Which Squeaks
Passdog Lynch Scene
The day begins with the same dread and paranoia that each day this week has had. Students passing in the hall give each other suspicious looks, teachers try in vain to keep their classes upbeat, and everyone feels that something awful is going to happen. Throughout the day, one student seems to be passing lots of notes and sending secret signals to other students. What is he up to? How does he know what he thinks he knows? A group of you decide to confront him after school. You take him to a the forest on the outskirts of town, and you begin your interrogation.
"What do you think you know about me?"
"Why have you been snoopy around so much?"
"What were you doing the night Jenny was killed?"
At first he is compliant an answers all your questions, much to your liking. But things soon get out of hand.
"He must have killed Jenny! We have to send a message to the others!"
It starts with just a few of you beating him, but before long, no one knows what's going on.
"HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO JENNY!" one girl cries, as she brings a brick down onto his head. You all step back and look at what you've done in horror. You begin frantically searching his bookbag for evidence that he was one of the killers. You find only a journal. Reading through it for a bit, you determine 2 things to be true.
First of all, he did not kill Jenny. Second, you have broken a major Horror Movie rule by killing him. Tobias was a Virgin. After dumping his body in the river to conceal the evidence, you realize that you now have no choice but to find the killers. It is only a matter of time before he is found.
Upon arriving home, a young girl rushes into her room and begins to cry. Her mother asks her what is wrong, but gets no answer. How could she have done such a thing? After reflecting on the days events, she decides she can't sit inside while the killers are free. The situation has become to grave.
Passdog - Tobias, The Virgin - Town Doctor has been lynched. It is now Night 1. The mafia may now communicate, and all night choices are due 72 hours from the time of this post.
EDIT: No posting in the thread at night. Passdog gets one "BLAH" post because he died, which he has used. There should be no more posting until Day 2.
[The Family]
I don't think that was as tactically stupid as all of you thought - even if I was stupid in trying to find the information.
Anyway, thanks for playing all, it was fun - while it lasted
At 3 in the morning, Maria heads quickly down the street. Certain she knows who killed her beloved friend, she's determined to find evidence. Unfortunatly, she notices a figure following her.
Quickining her pace, she makes the classic horror movie mistake of trying to take a short cut through a dark alley. Her follower begins to sprint, just as a masked man steps out in front of her.
"Where are you going?"
She tries to scream, but he covers her mouth, and starts strangling her. It isn't long before it's all over.
Morning
The talk of the morning is the new death. The killers are still at large, and the cops still have no hard leads. Once again, it's up all up to you. While everyone hustles through the hallways, one boy stands soberly at his locker.
"I can't let them get away with this," he mumbles to himself. The bell rings, the hallway clears, and he remains. It's several more minutes before he becomes resolved. He must avenge Jenny and her best friend, Maria.
BroomHead - Maria, Jenny's Best Friend - Town Cop has been nightkilled. It is now Day 2. With 9 players alive, it's 5 to lynch.
[The Family]
TWS: For the reasons stated before. Even though I was positive he(Passdog) was mafia, he was rushing everyone to vote.
bertrand: For his remark about, let's just lynch the most suspicious person. He didn't vote, but he was about lynching the most suspicious person, at the time was Passdog.
Vote: That Which Speaks
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=519290
So.... you we're positive Passdog was mafia as well. I voted for him, yes, and I tried to get other people to vote for him, yes, because he was scum. However, if you didn't notice, I began to doubt myself. And it turns out my doubts were correct. I don't feel I'm cleared by any of the events, but I certainly feel I shouldn't be under suspicion. I reviewed everything, and I began to state that I did not believe him to be mafia anymore. He managed to convince me of that. Going after me for something I did, that you agreed with, then changed, which was the right decision, is not good logic in my opinion. FOS: NavyJoe
Quick note: I think d20 is back, as he had a post before the night scene.
Alrighty, for the record I didn't suddenly change my mind, I reviewed all of Passdog's posts and my notes on him, and the posts in his defense, combined with a relook at his earlier posts made them look less scummy to me, and more a panicked townie trying to get out of trouble. I combined his most recent posts with looks back on his old ones, and I began to feel I made a mistake. Attempting to get him lynched was not a mistake, because I felt he was scum. But, when he finally began to review his old posts I began to rethink it. I was still suspicous of him to a degree, but I didn't feel he was mafia. So, I unvoted and began to think about what I should do, but before I could reach any decisions Passdog was lynched. I was correct in my call, so why am I under suspicion for it?
@Paranoid. I didn't include you or the others because I thought that TWS and The Y were the ones who really supported the lynching of Passdog. My reasoning was this: I didn't think Passdog was mafia, and The Y and TWS seemed to want to lynch him badly, moreso then I would think a townie would, so therefore I think they are the mafia. The thing I said about mafia protecting each other COULD apply to me IF i bothered defending him before he was about to get lynched.
Well, now that we know that Passdog was the doctor, I'm going to stay with my old vote. FOS: TWS. I'll probably be voting for him soon.
And if we look at CropCircle's first post, we know that the person who called her was female (judging from the way they talked). So that's probably one of the mafia right? I wonder if this helps at all.
Indeed, you were correct. Realize if I had really wanted Passdog lynched, I would have kept my vote on him, and he would have been dead long before. I gave what I did, and I was considering what I could do to best help the town. However, I went out for a few hours and couldn't say anything. I feel I made it clear that I no longer felt he was mafia. I'm fine with people being suspicous of me, but if you are please do it for a different reason than "I wanted the person who everyone thought was scum, and eventually lynched, lynched."
Vote Count
That Which Squeaks-(NavyJoe)
Not Voting
godless_angel, bertrand, That Which Squeaks, The Y, mystery meat of doom, Chimpanzee, Paranoid, Beaker
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
[The Family]
FOS: TWS - for reasons stated.
FOS: The Y - he was side by side with TWS.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=519290
TWS seems normal to me now. I agree with NavyJoe's logic.
Vote Chimpanzee
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I did not cast the final vote. I voted for passdog after paranoid showed why most of the arguments defending him were faulty I had already FOS'd passdog but needed something more to be reasonably sure he was guilty and paranoid's arguments seemed perfectly rational to me. I had the option of getting passdog lynched much earlier than that when he had 4 votes already but I was waiting to see if any better evidence would show up. The best evidence that showed up afterwards was paranoid's post which was logical evidence against passdog. The reason I was not posting much is, as I had said in a previous post, I had family visiting for Thanksgiving break. Also, I gave the fifth vote, it was The Y that killed. So to be totally honest, if you are going to use the last vote as grounds for suspicion, it should be The Y.
FOS: The Y
3CB and 4CB5CB!That's not much defense. If you're mafia, it would seem to me that it's logical to vote for the person with the majority of votes to get them lynched if you know whether or not they're mafia. And you don't want to be the last cause that will obviously look suspicious. So you aim to be second last, that way, you look normal and still get the innocent guy lynched. You know someone's gonna be feeling impulsive and cast the 6th vote and get the person lynched, mafia or not.
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3CB and 4CB5CB!Anyway, FoS: The Y
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3CB and 4CB5CB!Unvote Chimpanzee
Vote The Y
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Chimpanzee-(NavyJoe)
The Y-(bertrand)
Not Voting
godless_angel, That Which Squeaks, The Y, mystery meat of doom, Chimpanzee, Paranoid, Beaker
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
[The Family]
I don't think it's safe anymore to lynch someone just for one or two suspicious posts. We need to be quite positive before we do anything.
So,
Unvote The Y
FoS The Y, (~ Chimpanzee)
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[The Family]
If he believed that there was that much of a chance of passdog being townie he definitely should have waited for voting.
I'll wait for The Y's defense before voting. I can't really blame him for being suspicious of passdog, but I'd like to hear why he killed when he had stated that he thought there was a good chance of passdog being a townie.
3CB and 4CB5CB!This is a bit suspicious. You said you would wait for Godless, but instead you decided to jump the train even though you said that we might lynch a townie. TWS decided that Passdog wasn't mafia, and you said you understood Passdog's logic and even said that you would wait for his defense. But then it didn't seem like you considered his defense before lynching him.
Just a tad suspicious, don't you think?
FOS: The Y (if i haven't already)
I did a mistake. I didn'k of one posibility, which looks pretty obvious after the lynch. It didn't come to me that Passdog could be the Doc.
As I said before, I do understand the fingers pointed at me. You do have a good reason.
Why did I vote for him? Because I was 99% sure he was mafia (and you all know I'm not the only one). I was almost sure that we can get him, being mafia, and by that getting other mafiosos (I won't say names since the whole situation changet and those thoughts are not relevant any more).
In my defence I can only say a mafia wouldn't be likely to give the last vote and that did have good reasons to think he was scum. Most of you thought he was scum.
I learned something important - Don't jump to conclusions and be careful. You can always miss something.
I do ask you to think more before a lynch. Not because of me, but because not thinking got our Doc killed.
Remember, the only team that can kill its own is town, we don't want to get in a even wors situation.
1. He just happened to believe the same thing that I and 1 or 2 other people believed and chose to vote at a very inconvenient time.
2. He is mafia and went with the general opinion (I'm noticing that most of what he says is echoing what other posters had already said*) until that brought him to an easy lynching opportunity.
*This could either be used to support the mafia argument or could just mean that he has simply believed what everyone else said.
3CB and 4CB5CB!I do believe in what I did, and I now know I should be more careful.
It is my first game and I do mistakes. But I did do what I thought was right. Don't forget that other 5 players had their vote on him too.
Ones you have the idea that some one is scum it's hard to change your mind, that's what got Passdog in the first place.
And just another question:
Before we lynched Passdog, there was a lonly FOS on me. If you didn't even suspect me then, why am I so scumy now? What changed?
I did a newb mistake, I didn;t think about all the options and I wanted Day 1 to end. I was sure I'm ending it in a mafia kill that will get us more mafias. I was wrong.
If you deside to lynch me I'll get lynched, no question about it, but I do ask you to think before you act. It got us screwd ones and it will screw us again.
Just another thing:
The Cop was killed because of Passdog. You do understand that if he wouldn't be lynched "yesterday" he would have been lynched today. I do think we had a very good reason to lynch him - He gave the mafia the Cop.
All that said, lynch me if you want. I just know how you will read my posts after I'm gone.
By the way, I do thing I'm the easyest player for the mafia to bandwagon. Have it in mind.
Can anyone tell me how exactly him saying he was a good friend of Jenny exposed him as the cop?
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