I want to keep this as short and as clear as possible:
1. It doesn't take too much of intellect to see that the accusation of monkeyballz towards me in are more than absurd: he even mentions that fadeblue merges my posts because they lack content when in fact both of them were clarifications of the previous post thats why they were merged. The other accusations in #98 are stupid as well (but if any of you really insists on me clarifying those accusations (like why I thought that he didnt take a stance on reaveling the cop, like most of us did) i will be happy too.
Now here is all I have to say about monkeyballz, in post 89, just when einstein declared he was the doc and saved clarius, he votes for me (even though everybody knows that if we misslynch we lose) The reason he gave for that in post #92 was and I quote
because he THINKS i am scummy!!!
No kidding. That would be the reason that EVERYONE votes.
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Now clarius and einstein why didnt you vote for me, even though you think I am scummy but are waiting for my response, but monkeyballz didnt wait at all?
Because we (I, at least) wanted to wait and see if you had any sort of defense. Reading through, it appears that you don't have anything good.
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Furthermore, monkeyballz at that point did not know if einstein was lying. (I didnt know until i saw that nobody challenged him which means that he is really the doc, but it could have been the other way around and if that had been the case, einstein with his fellow mafia would have jumped the bandwagon when monkeyballz voted for me.) guys, townpeople are never sure until they have all the facts in front of them, mafia people always are! I really dont know if you can ever find a better evidence than this...
And monkeyballz's vote was the pressure vote. One which made you spout garbage like this, only enhancing the idea that you sound like mafia.
You'd rather that you were killed before you had a chance to say something?
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2. If I had been mafia, einstein you would have been dead a long time ago...
Because you pegged me as doc?
Oh, you probably tried to kill me on Night 1. The thing is that I self-protected on Night 1. (LJustus gave me that option because of foil's stupidity).
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And finally:
Now that nobody challenged einstein which automatically means that he and clarius are loyal to CIA, that means that there are two mafia between me, monkeyballz and beaker. If beaker was CIA, he would be SURE that me and monkeyballz are mafia! This revelation would have made him jump, instead look what he had posted in #100!!!
1. This doesn't excuse you.
2. Yes, beaker looks like mafia. That's why he's dead next.
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Guys this is all i have to say, the facts are staring you in the face and at least i know that if you vote for me and kill me, the game wouldnt have been lost because I played badly. I did my part...
These facts don't seem to dissuade me from voting you (and Beaker later).
Vote: Zeus
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why? einstein, you seem to be trying to throw suspiscion around
Maybe you should mount a defense instead of this. You're accusing me of "throwing suspicion around" while you're simply doing just that, and have been doing it the entire game.
oh, einstein one last thing: if i tried to kill you during the 1st night then how come i thought that you were the doc the second day? please unvote me before beaker sees this..
Well, welcome back everybody. Hope y'all had a nice weekend.
I'll respond to Zeus' comments later, as the focus has now drawn to Beaker.
I would believe that he is the one surviving member of the class with the lowest post count, and probably the lowest word count in said posts, but let's hear what he has to say before we all jump on him?
One question: can a doc only save a townie? (Read: Is Clarius really clean?)
Only reason I ask, is because I thought we weren't setting up a quick mafia bandwagon, but we have two on it right now. Did one of you want to unvote, so that just in case Clarius isn't clean, we don't lose?
(A lot of that was, I believe, things that Zeus has already stated above.)
(p.s. unvote: Zeus)
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OMG, clarius here is the proof that monkeyballz is mafia because trust me he is not as stupid as he seemed on his early posts...he just wants to divert the attention from his buddy beaker and focus it temporarily on you...
einsteinmonkey saved you during the last night, if you were in fact mafia and nobody was killed that would mean that the mafia chose not to kill anyone...(why would the mafia choose that? a successful target would have meant a victory for them...and trust me monkeyballz is not as stupid as not to have realized that.)
now why the hell has monkeyballz unvoted me? it was clear from the beginning that at least one of us was mafia since his vote was not bandwagoned. furthermore clarius, this excludes the possibility of both me and monkeyballz being mafia since by now he would have voted beaker and the game was over...therefore you now know that beaker is mafia so please vote him off.
and [email="finally...@clarius"]finally...@clarius[/email]
neither you, nor me knew that the doc was granted this capability of saving himself the first night. but for some reason, monkeyballz in one of his posts states that we might have been granted a special power by LJustus because of phoil's screw up? could have he just guessed that? or maybe it's because the power roles and the mafia are the only people to communicate with LJustus on PM and LJustus might have warned the mafia that the town has one extra capability the first night! Furthermore, if I was mafia and tried to kill einstein the first night and it didnt work, I would have been sure he was not the doc and not try to state: hey guys i think einstein is the doc...in fact I would have tried to check on other players!
I rest my case...
since I can't edit the posts:
By this:
OMG, clarius here is the proof that monkeyballz is mafia because trust me he is not as stupid as he seemed on his early posts...
I meant his initial posts when he claims there are ppl with special powers in this game, etc. Things that didnt make sense back then (my surprise in post 62 when i read post #61) start to make sense now
Another dawn breaks on the Farm. It's another day alive and in the service of the sneakiest sneaks that ever sneaked - the CIA, of course.
Your morning muster this morning brings a surprise. Einstenmonkey has not reported for duty this morning. Knowing that he has a penchant for over-sleeping, you all decide to go wake him up. Well, he's not waking up from this sleep. A 'Colombian neck-tie' adorns his neck. (For those who don't know, it means he's dead. Trust me.) After rifling through his stuff, like the good sneaks that you are, you determine that Einsteinmonkey was the NOC.
Now, there are 3 of you alive. Two of you will decide the fate of the other - and yourselves. Go get 'em.
It is now Day 4. (Has a 7 player game ever lasted this long? I don't know.) With three alive, it will take two votes to lynch.
Wow, the first bandwagon that didn't get entirely jumped upon. For me? I feel honored.
What is there to say? Not much that I haven't said before. I threw random blame around to try and stop a lynch yesterday for Beaker, who ended up being mafia. Way to go, team. I just thought he ought to have a chance to post. *shrug* ...at least I'm getting one.
The entire "special abilities" thing, I swear I thought up from outside of the box. We received a near fatal blow with foil's quote, and I just figured it can't get any more messed up than this. So what else can happen? I received no PM from LJustus, just like I'd assume neither of you did, either.
Even trying to say Clarius isn't town is retarded, and I'll be the first to admit it. I had a "notes and quotes" section on him, and voted for what I thought was shady behavior. But logic at this point (as Zeus pointed out) says that he's clean. No arguments here.
I've posted what's on my mind all game to try and figure out what was going on, who was doing what, etc. I wasn't running around, posting who I thought the doc was, because I thought we were hiding him. I'm confused as to why Zeus would post that, seeing as how the mafia must've tried to off him the first night (which would be convenient seeing as how I had random voted him and it caused such an issue) ...in hindsight I don't know how this would've played out any other way. I'm sure we wouldn't be on day 4, having this conversation.
I've said all that I can say, and you know my stance on who is what.
Vote: Zeus
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...now it's clarius who will decide the game...
I couldn't've said it better.
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if you really really want to know why I wanted the doc exposed on Day 2:
I had no clue that the doctor self-protected and it worked. I did not think "outside the box" and I did not believe on "surprises granted by LJustus" in the form of "special night actions". Am I being sarcastic? Hell yeah.
Having said that, I assumed as most of us did that the doctor protected a town. There were 6 of us on day 2 so if we misslynched there would be 5, 3 CIA - 2 mafia. however we could not have lynched the person that the doctor tried to protect because the doctor would have told us so, so the setup of night two would have been as follows: 2 mafia, the person that the doctor protected, the doctor and another townie. Since the mafia tried the person that the doctor protected then they would just have to pick between the real doctor and the other townie. they had 50% chance of picking the doctor and 50% of picking the other townie. But if they picked the townie, in order not to kill him the doctor would have chosen to protect the same exact townie out of 4 potential choices (remember we are 5 ppl but the doctor cannot protect himself) so if we took probability 101 and passed it, the probability for the mafia to win the game during night 2 was:
50% (prob to pick the doc) + 50%*3/4(probability they pick town but the doctor doesnt protect him) = 88%.
To sum it all up, if we misslynched on day 2 we would have been screwed that is why i wanted the doctor to show up. I am pretty sure that if einstein protected somebody else and it worked he would have roleclaimed so the heat would have been on 4 people rather than 6. but it was very wise of him not to come up and say: hey guys i am the doc but i selfprotected because LJustus gave me that choice. I would have not believed him and if either monkeyballz or beaker counterclaimed I would have sided with them and it would have been game over. This was the reason in a nutshell
here is one more shady statement of monkeyballz's, it's from post #92 when he is trying to convince everybody that I am mafia and why I did not target einstein on night 2:
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3) And about not targeting your guessed doctor if you are mafia... well, it is stated in post 51 who you think the doc is. Perhaps it was a slip up (because we weren't exposing the doc, remember? we've had this discussion before) ...and it would look awful scummy for Einstein to be killed that night and be the doc.
my dear monkeyballz, had I picked einstein on night 2 the game would have been over and trust me I would not have cared how scummy I would have looked afterwards.
BTW, you failed to explain why you unvoted me during the end of day 3.
@clarius:
I hope you found monkeyballz's last post as entertaining as I did...time to close the curtain my friend...
good job clarius!!! and you were right, trying to save beaker was the worst move monkeyballz made. however, I think I gave enough convincing arguments both for you and einstein. however I have to point out that we got EXTREMELY lucky and we could have NEVER won without einstein's help. since day 2 i was almost sure about monkeyballz, but i thought you clarius were the second canadian not beaker. and finally, my apologies to godless but man were your posts inconsistent! Good job CIA!!!
The three remaining classmates sit in the kitchen. They are seated around the coffee table where they got to know each other, grew to like each other, and eventually felt a kinship that few among us rarely ever know. Sadly, it must end today.
Classmate 1 said, "I know #2 to be scum. It's the only thing that makes sense."
#2 replies, "How can that be? My actions have always been for the best of the class, the Agency, and our country. #1 must be scum. See how his finger points. #3 - you must decide our fate."
"Yes, #3. . . please decide our fate." says #1.
"Well. . . " #3 says sheepishly. The NOC says that #2 is scum. I trust his judgment.
And with that, the Central Intelligence Agency has been rid of the Canadian Infiltration of 2005. Monkeyballz was a dirty, dirty Canadian.
ljustice, this game was pretty crappy
even if you have a stupid noob that you have to modkill, dont change a person's ability during the game
or at least inform everyone
that was what screwed us over, cause we knew einstein was doc
I must say that it was kinda intense there at the end, trying to point all of these fingers at Zeus while trying not to look scummy. So much for the not looking scummy, eh?
I have to give Zeus some big props for taking heat and being patient throughout it. Hell, I had Einstein convinced that Zeus was dirty, and only a few posts later, it becomes "Yeah, beaker today, monkeyballz tomorrow" ...I'm still confused as to what happened.
The whole doc can cover himself... I kinda thought that everybody might've gotten invincibility for the night that foil was mod-killed. I had no notification of this, though. I just knew that Beaker and I were both pming LJustus with einstein, and in the morning nothing had happened. So we went for Clarius, and nothing. Zeus is the doc? Is that why he's been hinting at it all game? Nope, it's just that this special night ability set us back, so that we would really be hella confused when we attempted to night-kill everyone else in the class and been unsuccessful with everyone. Really, I must say that it ruined the game for the mafia. Maybe we should he been let known? Just so we wouldn't drag the game on for three more nights, only to be confused at the end of it.
So yeah, good game, good game. I had a lot of fun. And don't take anything I said personal. I know you're not all scum ; )
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I kinda agree with both beaker and monkeyballz about the special ability thing. LJustus as I said on the PM i sent you after day 1, you could have spared foil the mod-kill (instead of the special doc ability) since even if he had just normally claimed cop I dont think monkeyballz or beaker would have challenged him. but rules are rules, i know.
Thanks for the props monkeyballz, I think you did a hell of a job in convincing einstein I was scum, he actually voted for me at a point and had beaker checked the website at that time, you would have won. Even though you voting me right away, before nobody counterclaimed doc, should have had appeared scummy to einstein and clarius but in fact it did not. You have no idea how mad i was at them at that point but as you said I had to remain patient
Beaker, I think you did a wonderful job during day 2, as i said on my PM you were the last I could have suspected but you kinda ruined it on day 3. Thing is that since einstein claimed doc, you either had to counterclaim or accuse both me and monkeyballz, you did neither of them.
A very nice game, CIA won but we got LUCKY as hell... but also unlucky to get a cop that gets mod killed right away and godless that was inconsistent throughout the game. I know that my vote looked a bandwagon jump but i was sure that if godless was not mafia, monkeyballz (for which I was certain was mafia at that point) would have voted him off anyways. I did not try to explain this because I thought it wouldn't have done me any good!
Again, great game and congratulations to everybody!
Oh, I forgot to thank you LJustus for modding this game, I am pretty sure it was quite a commitment and I hope you have enjoyed being there on the backstage and see how things developed. Thanks, again!
ljus, can u explain why you decided to give the doc the self-protect
puzzle, i understand that it takes a lot of work and requires quick choices, but if this is supposed to help us learn, shouldnt it be as close to a regular game as possible?
also, my problem was that it completely screwed the mafia over, not just a little
because by not dying night 1, we have to assume that he's not the doc, because in the first post in the thread ljus said that the doc couldnt protect, so we were stuck trying to find the doc in the rest of the group
I made the decision based on the fact that through the stupidity of one player, the town was deprived of its most valuable resource AND, in essence, handed the mafia an extra lynch. EM's self-protect was a one-shot, use-it-or-lose-it ability. It was the best way that I could think of to make the game even after FoilPhob's idiocy.
What really lost the game was a bad luck call on the next night.
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No kidding. That would be the reason that EVERYONE votes.
Because we (I, at least) wanted to wait and see if you had any sort of defense. Reading through, it appears that you don't have anything good.
And monkeyballz's vote was the pressure vote. One which made you spout garbage like this, only enhancing the idea that you sound like mafia.
You'd rather that you were killed before you had a chance to say something?
Because you pegged me as doc?
Oh, you probably tried to kill me on Night 1. The thing is that I self-protected on Night 1. (LJustus gave me that option because of foil's stupidity).
1. This doesn't excuse you.
2. Yes, beaker looks like mafia. That's why he's dead next.
These facts don't seem to dissuade me from voting you (and Beaker later).
Vote: Zeus
Maybe you should mount a defense instead of this. You're accusing me of "throwing suspicion around" while you're simply doing just that, and have been doing it the entire game.
Beaker is next to go.
Good point...
vote: beaker
Zeus - 1 (monkeyballz)
Beaker - 2 (Zeus, einsteinmonkey)
I'll respond to Zeus' comments later, as the focus has now drawn to Beaker.
I would believe that he is the one surviving member of the class with the lowest post count, and probably the lowest word count in said posts, but let's hear what he has to say before we all jump on him?
One question: can a doc only save a townie? (Read: Is Clarius really clean?)
Only reason I ask, is because I thought we weren't setting up a quick mafia bandwagon, but we have two on it right now. Did one of you want to unvote, so that just in case Clarius isn't clean, we don't lose?
(A lot of that was, I believe, things that Zeus has already stated above.)
(p.s. unvote: Zeus)
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einsteinmonkey saved you during the last night, if you were in fact mafia and nobody was killed that would mean that the mafia chose not to kill anyone...(why would the mafia choose that? a successful target would have meant a victory for them...and trust me monkeyballz is not as stupid as not to have realized that.)
now why the hell has monkeyballz unvoted me? it was clear from the beginning that at least one of us was mafia since his vote was not bandwagoned. furthermore clarius, this excludes the possibility of both me and monkeyballz being mafia since by now he would have voted beaker and the game was over...therefore you now know that beaker is mafia so please vote him off.
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neither you, nor me knew that the doc was granted this capability of saving himself the first night. but for some reason, monkeyballz in one of his posts states that we might have been granted a special power by LJustus because of phoil's screw up? could have he just guessed that? or maybe it's because the power roles and the mafia are the only people to communicate with LJustus on PM and LJustus might have warned the mafia that the town has one extra capability the first night! Furthermore, if I was mafia and tried to kill einstein the first night and it didnt work, I would have been sure he was not the doc and not try to state: hey guys i think einstein is the doc...in fact I would have tried to check on other players!
I rest my case...
since I can't edit the posts:
By this:
I meant his initial posts when he claims there are ppl with special powers in this game, etc. Things that didnt make sense back then (my surprise in post 62 when i read post #61) start to make sense now
Indeed I shall.
Vote: Beaker.
If you are mafia Zeus (which I don't really believe) then very, very well played.
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"I'm the doc."
"Is he the doc?"
"How could he be the doc?"
"It doesn't matter. Beaker is scum. Let's string him up."
As Beaker's lifeless corpse hangs from the makeshift gallows, the top of his head flops over. He was Canadian, after all.
It is now Night 3. Do not post. Players with Night actions, send them in please.
Your morning muster this morning brings a surprise. Einstenmonkey has not reported for duty this morning. Knowing that he has a penchant for over-sleeping, you all decide to go wake him up. Well, he's not waking up from this sleep. A 'Colombian neck-tie' adorns his neck. (For those who don't know, it means he's dead. Trust me.) After rifling through his stuff, like the good sneaks that you are, you determine that Einsteinmonkey was the NOC.
Now, there are 3 of you alive. Two of you will decide the fate of the other - and yourselves. Go get 'em.
It is now Day 4. (Has a 7 player game ever lasted this long? I don't know.) With three alive, it will take two votes to lynch.
vote: monkeyballz
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What is there to say? Not much that I haven't said before. I threw random blame around to try and stop a lynch yesterday for Beaker, who ended up being mafia. Way to go, team. I just thought he ought to have a chance to post. *shrug* ...at least I'm getting one.
The entire "special abilities" thing, I swear I thought up from outside of the box. We received a near fatal blow with foil's quote, and I just figured it can't get any more messed up than this. So what else can happen? I received no PM from LJustus, just like I'd assume neither of you did, either.
Even trying to say Clarius isn't town is retarded, and I'll be the first to admit it. I had a "notes and quotes" section on him, and voted for what I thought was shady behavior. But logic at this point (as Zeus pointed out) says that he's clean. No arguments here.
I've posted what's on my mind all game to try and figure out what was going on, who was doing what, etc. I wasn't running around, posting who I thought the doc was, because I thought we were hiding him. I'm confused as to why Zeus would post that, seeing as how the mafia must've tried to off him the first night (which would be convenient seeing as how I had random voted him and it caused such an issue) ...in hindsight I don't know how this would've played out any other way. I'm sure we wouldn't be on day 4, having this conversation.
I've said all that I can say, and you know my stance on who is what.
Vote: Zeus
I couldn't've said it better.
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I had no clue that the doctor self-protected and it worked. I did not think "outside the box" and I did not believe on "surprises granted by LJustus" in the form of "special night actions". Am I being sarcastic? Hell yeah.
Having said that, I assumed as most of us did that the doctor protected a town. There were 6 of us on day 2 so if we misslynched there would be 5, 3 CIA - 2 mafia. however we could not have lynched the person that the doctor tried to protect because the doctor would have told us so, so the setup of night two would have been as follows: 2 mafia, the person that the doctor protected, the doctor and another townie. Since the mafia tried the person that the doctor protected then they would just have to pick between the real doctor and the other townie. they had 50% chance of picking the doctor and 50% of picking the other townie. But if they picked the townie, in order not to kill him the doctor would have chosen to protect the same exact townie out of 4 potential choices (remember we are 5 ppl but the doctor cannot protect himself) so if we took probability 101 and passed it, the probability for the mafia to win the game during night 2 was:
50% (prob to pick the doc) + 50%*3/4(probability they pick town but the doctor doesnt protect him) = 88%.
To sum it all up, if we misslynched on day 2 we would have been screwed that is why i wanted the doctor to show up. I am pretty sure that if einstein protected somebody else and it worked he would have roleclaimed so the heat would have been on 4 people rather than 6. but it was very wise of him not to come up and say: hey guys i am the doc but i selfprotected because LJustus gave me that choice. I would have not believed him and if either monkeyballz or beaker counterclaimed I would have sided with them and it would have been game over. This was the reason in a nutshell
here is one more shady statement of monkeyballz's, it's from post #92 when he is trying to convince everybody that I am mafia and why I did not target einstein on night 2:
my dear monkeyballz, had I picked einstein on night 2 the game would have been over and trust me I would not have cared how scummy I would have looked afterwards.
BTW, you failed to explain why you unvoted me during the end of day 3.
@clarius:
I hope you found monkeyballz's last post as entertaining as I did...time to close the curtain my friend...
by this:
I mean that I had no clue that the doctor could self-protect and actually it worked since no one was killed.
and by this:
I meant a townie not a town
Bad move, trying to save Beaker. Especially threatening me to do it. Very scummy.
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Classmate 1 said, "I know #2 to be scum. It's the only thing that makes sense."
#2 replies, "How can that be? My actions have always been for the best of the class, the Agency, and our country. #1 must be scum. See how his finger points. #3 - you must decide our fate."
"Yes, #3. . . please decide our fate." says #1.
"Well. . . " #3 says sheepishly. The NOC says that #2 is scum. I trust his judgment.
And with that, the Central Intelligence Agency has been rid of the Canadian Infiltration of 2005. Monkeyballz was a dirty, dirty Canadian.
Town wins.
even if you have a stupid noob that you have to modkill, dont change a person's ability during the game
or at least inform everyone
that was what screwed us over, cause we knew einstein was doc
Anyhoo, well done town! Sorry I ever doubted ya, Zeus!
*looks forward to working at the CIA*
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I have to give Zeus some big props for taking heat and being patient throughout it. Hell, I had Einstein convinced that Zeus was dirty, and only a few posts later, it becomes "Yeah, beaker today, monkeyballz tomorrow" ...I'm still confused as to what happened.
The whole doc can cover himself... I kinda thought that everybody might've gotten invincibility for the night that foil was mod-killed. I had no notification of this, though. I just knew that Beaker and I were both pming LJustus with einstein, and in the morning nothing had happened. So we went for Clarius, and nothing. Zeus is the doc? Is that why he's been hinting at it all game? Nope, it's just that this special night ability set us back, so that we would really be hella confused when we attempted to night-kill everyone else in the class and been unsuccessful with everyone. Really, I must say that it ruined the game for the mafia. Maybe we should he been let known? Just so we wouldn't drag the game on for three more nights, only to be confused at the end of it.
So yeah, good game, good game. I had a lot of fun. And don't take anything I said personal. I know you're not all scum ; )
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Thanks for the props monkeyballz, I think you did a hell of a job in convincing einstein I was scum, he actually voted for me at a point and had beaker checked the website at that time, you would have won. Even though you voting me right away, before nobody counterclaimed doc, should have had appeared scummy to einstein and clarius but in fact it did not. You have no idea how mad i was at them at that point but as you said I had to remain patient
Beaker, I think you did a wonderful job during day 2, as i said on my PM you were the last I could have suspected but you kinda ruined it on day 3. Thing is that since einstein claimed doc, you either had to counterclaim or accuse both me and monkeyballz, you did neither of them.
A very nice game, CIA won but we got LUCKY as hell... but also unlucky to get a cop that gets mod killed right away and godless that was inconsistent throughout the game. I know that my vote looked a bandwagon jump but i was sure that if godless was not mafia, monkeyballz (for which I was certain was mafia at that point) would have voted him off anyways. I did not try to explain this because I thought it wouldn't have done me any good!
Again, great game and congratulations to everybody!
ljus, can u explain why you decided to give the doc the self-protect
puzzle, i understand that it takes a lot of work and requires quick choices, but if this is supposed to help us learn, shouldnt it be as close to a regular game as possible?
also, my problem was that it completely screwed the mafia over, not just a little
because by not dying night 1, we have to assume that he's not the doc, because in the first post in the thread ljus said that the doc couldnt protect, so we were stuck trying to find the doc in the rest of the group
What really lost the game was a bad luck call on the next night.