Axelrod doesnt want anyone to mention any more colours so whomever we ask to reaveal their "colour" will have to either guess (if he is mafia) or tell the truth. Hopefully we ask a mafia and they guess wrong.
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6. The mod clarification pretty much tells us that we all have the Supertype " _____ Shaman" followed by our role (the only one of which we know is "warrior".
This is backwards. That's what I meant.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Dbl pst: Ugh, not everyone that has a night ability is vanilla. There could be abilities out there like one extra life, or something like that. Its not really a night ability, but it doesnt mean that they are vanilla
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@Puzzle: ok here goes
A: Putting A + E as a third letter as being a vanilla townie is a bad idea in my opinion because having two different(or more) names for townies is a very odd decision and would just beg for even more odd speculation on everyones part
B: That also seems to put all the mafia and special roles as a total of 5 people (one of whom is dead) and a consanant, that seems like way too few mafia/power roles for a 20 person game so that leads to at least one possiblitie:
C: Only one of A and E are the townies, pretty straight forward but brings up a second possible problem. That being that either there are an extra 3 (in the case of E) or 4(in the case of A) and 2 more vowels that are power roles or Mafia which makes at least more sense than 5 of both total.
D: It occurs to me that there is a possibility of there being a group of people that carry out a single action upon agreeing or something such as the mafia except good. This occurs to me because we are acting as Shaman and "cleanse" town members by reaching a majority and for some reason that just seems to fit the theme of the game. And in this case there could be a ring of people with the same letter and the n mayb one or two other peopl that could share the third letter but have different roles.
and there is my clarified post, if it is still confusing I'll try again
I do agree with Axel's statement about draygon mage, and something about A-Sparrows posts makes me feel he's mafia. I won't vote yet, but something's up.
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Dbl pst: Ugh, not everyone that has a night ability is vanilla. There could be abilities out there like one extra life, or something like that. Its not really a night ability, but it doesnt mean that they are vanilla
But, while it's possible that those without a night ability are non-vanilla, it is not possible that those who do have a night ability are vanilla. Due to this asymmetry, we'd still give the mafia priorities with such a claim - that's bad.
@Axel: Same question as draygn_mage - how do I appear to differ from the norm? So far as I can recollect, the only statement I've made about my PM is that the third letter of my role name is G. I'll admit that no one else claimed G, but that's hardly suspect.
@Enigma: Your (D) sounds like you're suggesting a mason group with powers. I've seen no real evidence for one as yet - what do you mean by this?
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Well its pure speculation but all im saying is that it would be in flavor to have groups of shaman's (e?) that work together to accomplish a role, and as u said maybe more of a masonic like group that is still with the good guys. I'm not going on any real evidence but just speculation
Uugh...First, that last "disappearing" was because it was the weekend. And you have to remember something: I didn't attack Puzzle because he didn't give info, i attacked him because there is already a lot of good info leaked to the scum. Oh, if you really want to know: i am a consonant.
@Axel: Same question as draygn_mage - how do I appear to differ from the norm? So far as I can recollect, the only statement I've made about my PM is that the third letter of my role name is G. I'll admit that no one else claimed G, but that's hardly suspect.
Come on now. You strike me as an intelligent poster, so the fact that you cannot figure this out yourself is inherrently suspicious. But if I must:
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I'm leery about giving away information like whether one's name says "___ Shaman" or not until we've thoroughly considered the costs and benefits. If I were mafia, what would I conclude from someone whose name is "___ Shaman?" Would that person be more or less likely to have a power role than someone whose name isn't? My intuition is that the non-"shamans" have something interesting about their names, therefore possibly something interesting about their roles. The "shamans" are more likely to be vanilla. I am going to strongly recommend against making such claims.
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I'm not saying the "shamans" are guaranteed to be vanilla, or even very probably vanilla; I'm simply saying that the mafia may see the non-"shamans" as more likely targets. Yes, we've established that the role names come in different formats; that established, we should stop. What advantage do we gain by continuing?
I am referring to these posts. If your role PM were formated the same way as everyone else's (or rather, the apparant majority) your comments make no sense. Everyone's a Shaman. That's the first thing I deduce from my PM (I deduce this from the Introductory post as well). Why are you even speculating about vanilla "non-Shamans". Or PMs in the format _____ Shaman?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Okay, I'm going to look REALLY stupid and suspicious now.. but I just actually looked back at my role PM and it's like everyone elses': role (a ____ shaman). I can give the color if you want "proof," but I'm not going to claim.
I think I know what Enigma is saying, if I"m not mistaken, he is speaking of like a group of cops, or a group of vigs that can work together to come to a single kill, or investigation. Or a group of docs to save someone...not sure if that is what you mean, but it seems like a possbility. The only thing that I don't get is where that theory comes from, because it is a specialty game?
Anyway, I'll downgrade my Unvote Stevie to a Fos Stevie
Vote was a bit harsh.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Well its pure speculation but all im saying is that it would be in flavor to have groups of shaman's (e?) that work together to accomplish a role, and as u said maybe more of a masonic like group that is still with the good guys. I'm not going on any real evidence but just speculation
:biggrin3: I doubt it, and if he is, well I'm not supposed to know.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I am referring to these posts. If your role PM were formated the same way as everyone else's (or rather, the apparant majority) your comments make no sense. Everyone's a Shaman. That's the first thing I deduce from my PM (I deduce this from the Introductory post as well). Why are you even speculating about vanilla "non-Shamans". Or PMs in the format _____ Shaman?
You strike me as an intelligent poster, as well, so the fact that you can't figure out my posts is also very suspicious, particularly given the context in which I posted them.
Everyone is a shaman but not everyone is a "shaman" (note the quotes). We were discussing whether or not one's role name was formatted "___ Shaman" or not; "shaman" refers to those whose names are formatted thus, while non-"shamans" have other names (perhaps something like "Grand Master Prognosticator" or whatever). Aurorasparrow claimed that his role name was "___ Shaman," while you yourself claimed yours was something else, so we know both types of rolenames exist. Your claimed suspicions make no sense.
@Enigma: What's the source of this "speculation?" It seems an awfully specific idea to have come out of nowhere.
@Aurorasparrow: So you're saying you have a non-"shaman" (see, Axel?) rolename, and your comments about "___ Shamans" were referring to your alignment? That seems an innocuous enough mistake, but coupled with draygnmage's possible slip-up it's starting to look like the Mafia could have differently formatted PMs.
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I'd just like to try and help out the debate by stating that my role does not include the word shaman, but my alignment does.
And on the subject of letter claims, as has been said before, 'a' and 'e' are not necessarily vanilla claims. Puzzle mentioned 'a' possibly being 'Healer,' and I think that he might have a point, and it came to me that 'e' might be 'Seer.'
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You strike me as an intelligent poster, as well, so the fact that you can't figure out my posts is also very suspicious, particularly given the context in which I posted them.
Everyone is a shaman but not everyone is a "shaman" (note the quotes). We were discussing whether or not one's role name was formatted "___ Shaman" or not; "shaman" refers to those whose names are formatted thus, while non-"shamans" have other names (perhaps something like "Grand Master Prognosticator" or whatever). Aurorasparrow claimed that his role name was "___ Shaman," while you yourself claimed yours was something else, so we know both types of rolenames exist. Your claimed suspicions make no sense.
@Enigma: What's the source of this "speculation?" It seems an awfully specific idea to have come out of nowhere.
@Aurorasparrow: So you're saying you have a non-"shaman" (see, Axel?) rolename, and your comments about "___ Shamans" were referring to your alignment? That seems an innocuous enough mistake, but coupled with draygnmage's possible slip-up it's starting to look like the Mafia could have differently formatted PMs.
So what you are saying is that you believe that it's possible someone might have a role that reads, for ex., Super Shaman (A True Shaman). Using the word Shaman twice.
Is that right? And when you said non-"shaman" you just meant that the word "Shaman" wasn't included in the first part? That still seems odd to me, but if that's what you meant....okay.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
No, I misread my role Pm which says "role (a true shaman)" as "role shaman" (or as we're putting it, "_______ shaman"). as far as I know, nobody has claimed a ______ shaman name (besides me, which was wrong).
I'm surprised by the number of vowel claimers. So far we have 7 consonants and 10 vowels, though I'm quite sure more words/occupations in the english language have a consonant for a third letter. I think mafia jumped on the claimwagon to not look suspicious and chose vowels because they seem common and easy to form roles out of (after all the wagon hit 16 people before stopping). 4 As and 3 Es is just too unusual. Also consider that two vowel claimers haven't specified the letter and there are four totally unclaimed. Theres a chance this all just happened to happen, but I bet that more vowel claimers are mafia than consonant claimers.
unvote BSD, vote Crippled_Fist. he hasn't added anything productive yet, and he claimed a vowel.
No, I misread my role Pm which says "role (a true shaman)" as "role shaman" (or as we're putting it, "_______ shaman"). as far as I know, nobody has claimed a ______ shaman name (besides me, which was wrong).
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You....misread...your PM? Methinks I smell I coverup. Just a thought. It's not that difficult to read a message is it?
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Sorry I haven't posted up 'til now. I actually hadn't noticed that the game had started. My third letter is a consonant, and it isn't unique (although it was before I said so). I'd also be perfectly willing to specify the color used to demonstrate my role. It has been my experience (admittedly limited) that when someone says they misread their role PM, they're really saying that they're scum. AS's seems particularly damning because he was asking specifically about the format of role PM's when he made the mistake. So I think it's worthy of a Vote Aurorasparrow.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I don't really think that we should group those claiming vowels as more suspicious than consonant bearers (and no, not just because I'm a vowel :grin2: ). This is because, if we take what Enigma said about multiples of the same role, and in town distinction, then the abundance of As or Es could be an undoubtedly good thing for the town.
Anyway, it's all still speculation at this point in the day.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Between that and his support for early role-claims, I agree that Sparrow's looking somewhat suspicious. I'm going to need to research his posts more thoroughly before voting, however.
It has been my experience (admittedly limited) that when someone says they misread their role PM, they're really saying that they're scum. AS's seems particularly damning because he was asking specifically about the format of role PM's when he made the mistake. So I think it's worthy of a Vote Aurorasparrow.
Yeah, it is definitely suspicious, but I'm not going to vote on it yet. Like Azrael, I'm just going to try and solidify my suspicions before voting. In the mean time, FOS: Aurorasparrow simply because I should show my suspicion.
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1) I concur that Aurora is looking suspicious. Along with the misreading of his pm, he suggested the mass roleclaim, which would probably doom the town. I won't point an fos at AS yet, but I'm certainly observing him closely.
2) Stevie is still looking very suspicious to me. His explanation for why he attacked puzzle still seems shaky. I mean, how can you know that one letter could be good info? (especially if it's the third letter?) For all we know, there are no duplicate roles in the game, so giving the third letter just puts us into small groups. Sure a few get sorted into singular groups, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Regardless, I will downgrade: unvote Stevie,FOS Stevie
3) I shall unFOS carrion pigeons now that they've posted. I'm satisfied (though admittedly a little confused) that they could have missed that the game had hit day.
now to try go back and reread the posts between this one and my last one to see if I missed anything....
We could do this: a vanilla townie, if any, steps forward and offers the third letter of their name. The mafia can't step forward because they don't know if theres vanillas or not, and might get caught false-claiming.
If a townie steps up and says his letter is a or e, theres probably multiple vanilla townies. the mafia can't claim vanilla because they don't actually know the name, and we can prompt them (ie, "whats the fifth letter of your name?"). To prevent the mafia from killing the vanilla (which isn't a great move for them anyways since they're killing a vanilla), we ask the doctor to set him as one of his potential save targets.
This poses no risk to anybody. I say we do it.
And I COULD tell you the color... but its on display on the front page. next to musashi's name. we should pay more attention, a mafia could've taken advantage of that.
Ok, sorry I haven't posted in a while, I got kind of caught up in the other mafia game and this one seems to develop in spurts when I'm not looking. I wasn't looking at my PM when I typed that and figured if I typed it exactly as it appears there, then I would be quoting in a fashion. If it caused some confusion, I apologize. Just remember, "To err is human to forgive- divine." Really hope I don't gt the ax for a minor screwup.
I must say that playing in 2 mafia's at once is enlightening to say the least.
I don't know about aurora sparrow, but based on the other game, I don't think it will be as easy as that to find the scum here. Does anyone have any ideas as to another plan to trip up the mafia or at least a way for townies to recognize eachother?
We could do this: a vanilla townie, if any, steps forward and offers the third letter of their name. The mafia can't step forward because they don't know if theres vanillas or not, and might get caught false-claiming.
If a townie steps up and says his letter is a or e, theres probably multiple vanilla townies. the mafia can't claim vanilla because they don't actually know the name, and we can prompt them (ie, "whats the fifth letter of your name?"). To prevent the mafia from killing the vanilla (which isn't a great move for them anyways since they're killing a vanilla), we ask the doctor to set him as one of his potential save targets.
This poses no risk to anybody. I say we do it.
...And so, instead of defending himself, aurora suggests more roleclaims. Your plan does carry a slight bit of merit but roleclaiming is usually not good for town unless we'll definately nail some scum.
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Draygn, try playing in four at once. I'm losing my mind.
Since I made a "misreading" error of my own PM just last game (Kamigawa Mafia--I was town) I won't be a complete hypocrite and condemn anyone else absolutely for doing the same thing. I actually think Sparrows idea of having a "vanilla" step forward is interesting. If - I seem to use that qualifier a lot - if there are multiple "generic" type Shamans with the same name, then the Mafia would be at risk trying to claim to be one. That would make the first claimer look fairly clear. Possibly the second as well, as the mafia could not be sure there would be a second. Any more after that would not be clear. So we might end up with two relatively clear townies, but a much more narrowed list of who might have the Talisman, or another power role.
I'm not sure this is worth it. Plus we should consider the possibility that Role Abilities will not be revealed upon death. People seem to be assuming Musashi was a Vigilante because his Role was "Warrior" but that's quite an assumption. And if he was the Vig., then it means we don't get that information upon a townie's death. Meaning we won't know what roles we have lost as a town unless the person has claimed. This was the situation in BattleStar. That can be good, and also bad. In Battlestar, we (the mafia) made an assumption that Urban Druid was the Vig. when we killed him night one, and this was quite wrong, and almost blew the game for us when the real Vig came out. We also assumed for a long time that there was a Doctor running around that we hadn't found yet, and this was quite wrong as well.
If we "do" get Role abilities when someone else dies, it means that Musashi himself was "vanilla."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
All of you are pointing fingers at Aurora... are you forgeting that his Claim of being roleblocked. He obviously has some sort of night ability worth blocking be it good or bad... maybe... anyone? I just trust him, he doesn't seem to have done anything overtly suspicious... I myself thought the role pm's stated (_____ Shaman) until i went back and checked... Would it be to much to ask for aurora to say something along the lines of telling us what his night ability origninates from? For example: Investigative, Seeing(a spotter), vig-kill based, protective? or is this too much to ask? I'm only asking for Aurora to reveal this... to at the least clear himself... no one else has to reveal.
All of you are pointing fingers at Aurora... are you forgeting that his Claim of being roleblocked. He obviously has some sort of night ability worth blocking be it good or bad... maybe... anyone? I just trust him, he doesn't seem to have done anything overtly suspicious... I myself thought the role pm's stated (_____ Shaman) until i went back and checked... Would it be to much to ask for aurora to say something along the lines of telling us what his night ability origninates from? For example: Investigative, Seeing(a spotter), vig-kill based, protective? or is this too much to ask? I'm only asking for Aurora to reveal this... to at the least clear himself... no one else has to reveal.
We haven't reached that point yet.
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Before anyone else jumps on Aurorasparrow's wagon, could I please ask Azrael, basementdwellers and Crippled_Fist just to say if their vowel is "o" or not, please ?
...And so, instead of defending himself, aurora suggests more roleclaims. Your plan does carry a slight bit of merit but roleclaiming is usually not good for town unless we'll definately nail some scum.
how does roleclaiming vanilla help the scum in any way? for all they know, its a vanilla who's carrying the totem. yeah, it narrows down the list of power roles slightly, but they're looking for the totem bearer, not the power roles and it saves one of our town. In a regular game of mafia, the inspector doesn't not reveal who is townie to reduce the mafia's chances of hitting the doctor.
Actually, UD, he said specifically that he didn't do anything. All he got was a PM saying that he was "bound" by some spell and was thereby roleblocked. This does not tell us that he had an ability, just that if someone is targetted by a roleblocker, they'll know it. Vote stays.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I too am in 4 games now...2 here and 2 on mafiascum. Anyway, it's def. not time for Aurora to claim, but possibly time for vowel-claimers to claim their vowels? I mean, we're not really getting anywhere right now...
Anyway, I'll be away until about tomorrow morning, guys.
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Agreed, we should have one of the groups (either constanents or vowels) claim their letters, then we can get going forward with this plan (im still not exaclty sure where it going though....
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Well going back a little bit, yes Alpha you hit my idea on the head. It is complete speculation though that I came up with because I was trying to make some sense of all the letter placements. If u read one of my earlier posts(page 12 or 13) then you'll see my reasoning process. If you want anymore clarification on it just ask
@ the people suspiciuos of me: you can tell a lot by some of the letters.
Like I said before: How can you know?
We don't know if there are any duplicate roles (though it certainly looks like it). So unless you can show me the reason you know (as you seem to be claiming to) that there are duplicate roles, you will remain on my suspicious list. In fact, my suspicions of you have gotten stronger by you repeatedly dodging this question.
We don't know if there are any duplicate roles (though it certainly looks like it). So unless you can show me the reason you know (as you seem to be claiming to) that there are duplicate roles, you will remain on my suspicious list. In fact, my suspicions of you have gotten stronger by you repeatedly dodging this question.
I do not know. I can just speculate. But i am pretty sure that we have already leaked to much info.
Stevie, please tell me that you are not dumb enough to be typing in red after we JUST got done discussing what color the roles went out in. Are you TRYING to get lynched? More importantly, who are you protecting?
Stevie, please tell me that you are not dumb enough to be typing in red after we JUST got done discussing what color the roles went out in. Are you TRYING to get lynched? More importantly, who are you protecting?
wow you are way overreacting. I always type in red, i have it auto BB-coded. Fos: Dragyn_Mage
My bad, I was waiting for someone else to post so I could say that you were posting in the other forum in red too. These games are really making me edgy.
mmm...it seems to me that draygon is a bit inexperienced and I would advise you, armlx, to formulate charges against him because your last post was completely out of order. We have nothing on draygon that even comes close to justifying a vote. An FoS at best. I'll chalk this one up to your aggresive play.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
I definitely own up to being inexperienced, but I admit to jumping the gun. I didn't really think he could be dumb enough to post it for the world to see like that. I'll deal with the vote, I'm sure I'll either be cleared or dead by day 2.
Well, I had heard of giving something away in a post or a signature, but I wasn't sure why someone would do that. It looked like he was trying to do that and I typed before I thought. Then with the no editing rule and trying to not double-post, I just had to sit there and let someone find my stupid post.
This is backwards. That's what I meant.
A: Putting A + E as a third letter as being a vanilla townie is a bad idea in my opinion because having two different(or more) names for townies is a very odd decision and would just beg for even more odd speculation on everyones part
B: That also seems to put all the mafia and special roles as a total of 5 people (one of whom is dead) and a consanant, that seems like way too few mafia/power roles for a 20 person game so that leads to at least one possiblitie:
C: Only one of A and E are the townies, pretty straight forward but brings up a second possible problem. That being that either there are an extra 3 (in the case of E) or 4(in the case of A) and 2 more vowels that are power roles or Mafia which makes at least more sense than 5 of both total.
D: It occurs to me that there is a possibility of there being a group of people that carry out a single action upon agreeing or something such as the mafia except good. This occurs to me because we are acting as Shaman and "cleanse" town members by reaching a majority and for some reason that just seems to fit the theme of the game. And in this case there could be a ring of people with the same letter and the n mayb one or two other peopl that could share the third letter but have different roles.
and there is my clarified post, if it is still confusing I'll try again
He gave info, so I'm done here.
I do agree with Axel's statement about draygon mage, and something about A-Sparrows posts makes me feel he's mafia. I won't vote yet, but something's up.
But, while it's possible that those without a night ability are non-vanilla, it is not possible that those who do have a night ability are vanilla. Due to this asymmetry, we'd still give the mafia priorities with such a claim - that's bad.
@Axel: Same question as draygn_mage - how do I appear to differ from the norm? So far as I can recollect, the only statement I've made about my PM is that the third letter of my role name is G. I'll admit that no one else claimed G, but that's hardly suspect.
@Enigma: Your (D) sounds like you're suggesting a mason group with powers. I've seen no real evidence for one as yet - what do you mean by this?
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Come on now. You strike me as an intelligent poster, so the fact that you cannot figure this out yourself is inherrently suspicious. But if I must:
I am referring to these posts. If your role PM were formated the same way as everyone else's (or rather, the apparant majority) your comments make no sense. Everyone's a Shaman. That's the first thing I deduce from my PM (I deduce this from the Introductory post as well). Why are you even speculating about vanilla "non-Shamans". Or PMs in the format _____ Shaman?
StevieT92 - 3 (silicon, Puzzle, AlphaInsidious)
Puzzle - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 1 (Azrael)
basementdwellers - 1 (aurorasparrow)
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Urban Druid - 2 (basementdwellers, draygn_mage)
armlx - 1 (Puzzle)
basementdwellers - 1 (Puzzle)
carrion pigeons - 1 (silicon)
aurorasparrow - 1 (Axelrod)
draygn_mage - 1 (Axelrod)
Blinking Spirit - 1 (Axelrod)
Mod Note
I have contacted carrion pigeons about his inactivity. If I don't get a response by tomorrow, he'll be replaced by LJustus.
Also, if anyone is interested, I posted a link to the post count in the first post of this thread.
I know, I know. I look ridiculous.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Anyway, I'll downgrade my Unvote Stevie to a Fos Stevie
Vote was a bit harsh.
-Alpha
:biggrin3: I doubt it, and if he is, well I'm not supposed to know.
-Alpha
You strike me as an intelligent poster, as well, so the fact that you can't figure out my posts is also very suspicious, particularly given the context in which I posted them.
Everyone is a shaman but not everyone is a "shaman" (note the quotes). We were discussing whether or not one's role name was formatted "___ Shaman" or not; "shaman" refers to those whose names are formatted thus, while non-"shamans" have other names (perhaps something like "Grand Master Prognosticator" or whatever). Aurorasparrow claimed that his role name was "___ Shaman," while you yourself claimed yours was something else, so we know both types of rolenames exist. Your claimed suspicions make no sense.
@Enigma: What's the source of this "speculation?" It seems an awfully specific idea to have come out of nowhere.
@Aurorasparrow: So you're saying you have a non-"shaman" (see, Axel?) rolename, and your comments about "___ Shamans" were referring to your alignment? That seems an innocuous enough mistake, but coupled with draygnmage's possible slip-up it's starting to look like the Mafia could have differently formatted PMs.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
And on the subject of letter claims, as has been said before, 'a' and 'e' are not necessarily vanilla claims. Puzzle mentioned 'a' possibly being 'Healer,' and I think that he might have a point, and it came to me that 'e' might be 'Seer.'
Proud worshipper of TFE.
So what you are saying is that you believe that it's possible someone might have a role that reads, for ex., Super Shaman (A True Shaman). Using the word Shaman twice.
Is that right? And when you said non-"shaman" you just meant that the word "Shaman" wasn't included in the first part? That still seems odd to me, but if that's what you meant....okay.
I'm surprised by the number of vowel claimers. So far we have 7 consonants and 10 vowels, though I'm quite sure more words/occupations in the english language have a consonant for a third letter. I think mafia jumped on the claimwagon to not look suspicious and chose vowels because they seem common and easy to form roles out of (after all the wagon hit 16 people before stopping). 4 As and 3 Es is just too unusual. Also consider that two vowel claimers haven't specified the letter and there are four totally unclaimed. Theres a chance this all just happened to happen, but I bet that more vowel claimers are mafia than consonant claimers.
unvote BSD, vote Crippled_Fist. he hasn't added anything productive yet, and he claimed a vowel.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
.....
You....misread...your PM? Methinks I smell I coverup. Just a thought. It's not that difficult to read a message is it?
Mafia MVP BM Mafia
Mafia MVP Matrix Mafia
Anyway, it's all still speculation at this point in the day.
-Alpha
Proud worshipper of TFE.
A couple of notes:
1) I concur that Aurora is looking suspicious. Along with the misreading of his pm, he suggested the mass roleclaim, which would probably doom the town. I won't point an fos at AS yet, but I'm certainly observing him closely.
2) Stevie is still looking very suspicious to me. His explanation for why he attacked puzzle still seems shaky. I mean, how can you know that one letter could be good info? (especially if it's the third letter?) For all we know, there are no duplicate roles in the game, so giving the third letter just puts us into small groups. Sure a few get sorted into singular groups, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Regardless, I will downgrade: unvote Stevie, FOS Stevie
3) I shall unFOS carrion pigeons now that they've posted. I'm satisfied (though admittedly a little confused) that they could have missed that the game had hit day.
now to try go back and reread the posts between this one and my last one to see if I missed anything....
If a townie steps up and says his letter is a or e, theres probably multiple vanilla townies. the mafia can't claim vanilla because they don't actually know the name, and we can prompt them (ie, "whats the fifth letter of your name?"). To prevent the mafia from killing the vanilla (which isn't a great move for them anyways since they're killing a vanilla), we ask the doctor to set him as one of his potential save targets.
This poses no risk to anybody. I say we do it.
And I COULD tell you the color... but its on display on the front page. next to musashi's name. we should pay more attention, a mafia could've taken advantage of that.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
StevieT92 - 1 (Puzzle)
Puzzle - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 1 (Azrael)
Crippled_Fist - 1 (aurorasparrow)
aurorasparrow - 1 (carrion pigeons)
FOS Count
Urban Druid - 2 (basementdwellers, draygn_mage)
aurorasparrow - 2 (Axelrod, swinkee)
StevieT92 - 2 (AlphaInsidious, silicon)
armlx - 1 (Puzzle)
basementdwellers - 1 (Puzzle)
draygn_mage - 1 (Axelrod)
Blinking Spirit - 1 (Axelrod)
Mod Note
The carrion pigeons issue has been resolved.
I must say that playing in 2 mafia's at once is enlightening to say the least.
I don't know about aurora sparrow, but based on the other game, I don't think it will be as easy as that to find the scum here. Does anyone have any ideas as to another plan to trip up the mafia or at least a way for townies to recognize eachother?
...And so, instead of defending himself, aurora suggests more roleclaims. Your plan does carry a slight bit of merit but roleclaiming is usually not good for town unless we'll definately nail some scum.
Since I made a "misreading" error of my own PM just last game (Kamigawa Mafia--I was town) I won't be a complete hypocrite and condemn anyone else absolutely for doing the same thing. I actually think Sparrows idea of having a "vanilla" step forward is interesting. If - I seem to use that qualifier a lot - if there are multiple "generic" type Shamans with the same name, then the Mafia would be at risk trying to claim to be one. That would make the first claimer look fairly clear. Possibly the second as well, as the mafia could not be sure there would be a second. Any more after that would not be clear. So we might end up with two relatively clear townies, but a much more narrowed list of who might have the Talisman, or another power role.
I'm not sure this is worth it. Plus we should consider the possibility that Role Abilities will not be revealed upon death. People seem to be assuming Musashi was a Vigilante because his Role was "Warrior" but that's quite an assumption. And if he was the Vig., then it means we don't get that information upon a townie's death. Meaning we won't know what roles we have lost as a town unless the person has claimed. This was the situation in BattleStar. That can be good, and also bad. In Battlestar, we (the mafia) made an assumption that Urban Druid was the Vig. when we killed him night one, and this was quite wrong, and almost blew the game for us when the real Vig came out. We also assumed for a long time that there was a Doctor running around that we hadn't found yet, and this was quite wrong as well.
If we "do" get Role abilities when someone else dies, it means that Musashi himself was "vanilla."
We haven't reached that point yet.
It's not.
how does roleclaiming vanilla help the scum in any way? for all they know, its a vanilla who's carrying the totem. yeah, it narrows down the list of power roles slightly, but they're looking for the totem bearer, not the power roles and it saves one of our town. In a regular game of mafia, the inspector doesn't not reveal who is townie to reduce the mafia's chances of hitting the doctor.
i'm not going to claim with one vote on me.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Mafia MVP BM Mafia
Mafia MVP Matrix Mafia
Anyway, I'll be away until about tomorrow morning, guys.
-Alpha
@ the people suspiciuos of me: you can tell a lot by some of the letters.
Like I said before: How can you know?
We don't know if there are any duplicate roles (though it certainly looks like it). So unless you can show me the reason you know (as you seem to be claiming to) that there are duplicate roles, you will remain on my suspicious list. In fact, my suspicions of you have gotten stronger by you repeatedly dodging this question.
I do not know. I can just speculate. But i am pretty sure that we have already leaked to much info.
wow you are way overreacting. I always type in red, i have it auto BB-coded. Fos: Dragyn_Mage
Vote Draygon Mage
What was that? Oof. Mafia if I can see anything.