Go home. Thats all you can say? Real good tactic there....You are on your way to being lynched and all you can produce is an insult for us? Go home.
Also do you think it is possible that when someone dies we find out who they were?
Also:
Ninja0fDeath 23
Alphabet Soup 17
RollHigher 15
plastic watering can 14
ImNotMafia 12
Pooh 10
No Es Lo Mismo 9
Tefo 9
Myself 8
Zoobamaphooza 8
HunterDuck 6
Emerys 6
sting chameleon 5
Hasted Quickling 5
Townie 4
imacoolone2002 4
Ikzann 3
Vecna_Reborn 1
Fiat Lux 1
This is unexcpetable on Day 2. I realize I am low on the list but I will remind you I could not most for most of Day 1 and that there really has not been much to post to.
Alright, back for a little bit. Seem's like the wagon against RH is accelerating pretty fast. Still, I figure we should get the other side of the story out there, and do a post by post of PWC, as well.
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Hey, why are we trying to figure out and drop clues to who we are? Blind games are sweeter for a reason
Not too much relevant here, pretty neutral.
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Hmm. What is the current vote count on NinjaofDeath? I want him voted off whether he's a townie or not because in blind mafia, you don't tell everyone your identity day one.
Plus, you're being suspicious. But I won't vote for you because I'd rather Zoob post an official vote count before I do.
He says he wants me voted off, and yet he wants to know the vote count first: possibly because he doesn't want to occupy a scummy position on the wagon. Disturbingly, he has very few reservations about lynching a possible townie: he wants me voted off one way or another simply because I revealed my identity.
Next, he says I'm being suspicious, but he doesn't cite any examples, or back up his reasoning with any quotes. He simply puts the accusation out there, unsupported.
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Thanks, Tefo, for the 8 billionth time.
Anyways, with only 4 on you, NoD, I have no choice but to vote for you.
Since you never replied to my counter-argument the first time around, I'll simply requote it:
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Why is it that you don't have a choice?
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Why would you bring attention to yourself like that, and not only that, but reveal who you are when this is supposed to be a blind game?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only reason attention was focused on me was my claim. By adding "not only that", it appears you're trying to overstate your case. My claim is the only controversial action I've made in the thread, and if you could explain how that is supposed to make me scummy, I'd very much like to hear it.
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You had to know it would cause all this attention and controversy, and frankly, it's not looking too bright in my opinion.
Vote: NinjaofDeath
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Cause the mafia want to draw attention to themselves, amirite?
Moving on:
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I don't know. Don't you think that if Hasted Quickling were actually town, then the mafia wouldn't be stupid and kill someone else so that he would look scummy and give the scum a free lynch?
Even with the power claim, if he's still alive tomorrow, we'd lynch him, and he'd still die no matter what. So to say that if he doesn't die tonight, he's scum gives the mafia an easy break.
I detailed why what PWC was suggesting above was an incredibly bad idea for the town. We would receive no information from it, and the mafia would have a good chance to make us mis-lynch. If he had succeeded, PWC would have created a scenario in which we would not only miss lynching HQ, but also would have pseudo-"confirmed" him on the next day, or forced the doctor to claim.
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Basics could mean that there's cops and docs. Easily. Because usually cops and docs are integral to the game.
Yeah, they can. Whenever I modded, I always give my docs the ability to self-protect. But then again, if he's going to claim he's a special role with the ability to self-protect and he actually was a doc, why would he just not say it...?
I'm awfully suspicious, but if you were a mafioso, would you really claim that you were such a suspicious role?
I just had a huge flight of ideas there. Let me think this over...
Here, he raises the idea that doctors actually can self-protect, a suggestion that somewhat slowed down the wagon against HQ. Although it's likely that HQ would have died anyways, that seed of doubt planted by PWC could have delayed or even averted HQ's death, if events had not transpired the way that they did. RH may have made subtle attempts to come to HQ's aid, but PWC was a much more obvious defender.
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Uh, not really. Are you going to argue that the doc can never die? Because I guess that's true, but the mafiosos can just go for someone else, like the cop or other important role. It doesn't unbalance the game at all.
My vote on you still stands as of now, by the way.
Here, he continues to defend the idea of a self-protecting doc, and reaffirms his suspicions of me, while ignoring the arguments in my favor.
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If the horse hasn't been beaten enough, you don't "misread your PM" and get away with it.
Unvote: NoD vote: Hasted Quickling
Here, he makes an about-face and turns on HQ, much like RH did.
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NoD: I was reluctatnt to vote for HQ because I was still trying to play out scenarious in my head of whether he could be a doctor. I still think doctors can self protect (because it doesn't unbalance the game at all), and I was debating whether he was a doctor or not.
His last little post kinda bludgeoned those thoughts.
Defends his previous assertion of the self-protecting doc.
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I already stated the reasons why I didn't go on the bandwagon until later:
Because up until Hasted Quickling got shot down by the Zoob, it was still unknown to me whether or not he could be a doctor or not, because I didn't think it was rediculous or anything for the doc to be able to self-protect.
If you need any further explanations, please ask. That's that summed up.
Again, defends his reasoning for supporting HQ. However, he still fails to explain why he kept his vote on NoD for so long.
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No, because you're overlooking the possibility of Ninja0fdeath setting this entire thing up.
Could you be a mafia member screwing it up pretty badly there by knowing an alliance with N0D?
FOS FOS FOS ImNotMafia and Ninja0fDeath
Here, he jumps on what he sees as a golden opportunity to renew suspicions against me, and lead the town to distrust my analysis. He doesn't vote, since he knows his chances of getting me lynched are slim to none at this point, but he does "FOS FOS FOS" ImNotMafia and Ninja0fdeath.
However, he is ignoring the truth that the possibility of someone being scum is NOT FOS-worthy. After all, everyone in the game starts off with a chance of being scum, that's nothing unusual. Honest FOSes should be reserved for when you find evidence that someone might be scum, not when you conjure up a possible scenario where someone could be.
Raising the scenario as a possibility as "Myself" did is one thing. It still wasn't thought through mathematically, and didn't account for the likelihood that coming forward would get me inspected, but it wasn't incredibly scummy to suggest it. But to FOS someone simply on the possibility of a gambit seems more like an attempt to maliciously cast suspicion on a victim, and not to take a fair, unbiased approach to finding the best lynch for the town.
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Note my lack of a vote because I didn't find it plausible enough to place a vote on either of you two quite yet.
But that's still one of the most suspicious posts I've ever seen.
Not plausible enough for a vote, or are you simply waiting for the right moment?
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You guys are really bad at bandwagoning, but anyways.
So far, our record seems pretty good, actually.
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What my post intended to say was that I found NoD suspicious, and I voted for him. Nowhere was there any intention of defending Hasted at all; I found (and still do find) Ninjaofdeath suspicious and I voted for him.
Would you mind detailing exactly why you find me suspicious?
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Plus, revealing yourself in a blind game is totally poor taste and I want to see you blacklisted if you're actually Azrael (I talked to Zoob, and I'm going to be modding the next blind game - so if you're actually Azrael, you're not playing in it. But that's a sidenote).
That's up to you. I'm a little curious why you're getting so upset about it, however. Did you think that revealing myself and tricking HQ into taking the bait was a dirty trick to play on you mafia folks, or something?
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So, for me, it was a 2-for-1 deal: Kill a suspected mafioso, and a ruiner of a blind game out of the game.
Here's the thing: there was no valid reason to suspect me as a mafioso. Furthermore, the game is not a popularity contest, so the only criteria that should factor into your lynch decision should be the probability of someone being scum. If I had "ruined" the game (funny how no one else seems to think it's been ruined), then that's a matter for the mod to handle, not the players. Their job is to take out the scum, and so far, I have yet to see you post a convincing argument that I have behaved as a mafia agent would.
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Why was I late to vote for Hasted Quickling? Three reasons:
-See one of my posts. I kind of pull a "multiple personalities" and argue with myself over whether Hasted could actually be the doctor or not. I was still debating at the time that I did that post.
-Next Zoob comes and basically owns him and proves he's a mafioso. Okay, I'm sorry if I have a life outside of the 'net, but depending on what I do socially, I wasn't able to get onto the internet until then.
-Now, I get on, and see that Hasted's either dead already or dead in a post or two. Imagine my Catch-22:
1) I could post and say "Yeah...you're mafia. VOTE HASTED," but then again, that'd be drawing negative attention to myself because the town isn't stupid. They'll see that I was reluctant to vote for Hasted when I thought the logic didn't have enough merit to warrant a vote quite yet; and then when he was dead, I voted for him. So the town's going to think that I'm a mafia member who voted late and was reluctant to vote for him and attack him.
2) I could not post at all. Bad idea, because people would be all over me even more because I didn't vote for a mafioso, and I also, in the town's eyes, defended him. That would give me more negative attention than option 1, IMO.
3) I could post and not vote for Hasted Quickling. This one's obvious and a lose-lose situation, because I'll get even MORE negative attention, I didn't do my job as a townie and kill mafia members. 3 was an obvious no.
Now, other than option 1 giving me the least amount of negative attention, why did I choose it? Because with the attacking I'd recieve tomorrow, I knew that I could at least attempt to defend myself in an easier manner.
This doesn't really prove much. Whether you're mafia or townie, you don't want to attract suspicion.
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Seriously. If I was a mafioso, don't you think that I'd be one of the first to attack Hasted because he's on my side and I want to look like a townie?
No. Mafia don't want to push along bandwagons against their fellow agents, unless their death is already inevitable.
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Would I delibrately defend him or question the attack on him in any way? The answer to that is No, because I'd try to look as unnoticeable as humanly possible. But, I questioned the logic against him until it was basically proven that he was guilty, and when he came out to be mafia (and keep in mind I would know he'd be mafia), I'd obviously get heat. Which isn't what the town needs.
You defended him up until the point where his death was inevitable. That's very consistent with mafia behavior, especially considering your reasons for defending him were flimsy at best, and completely illogical at worst.
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So, summed up: When I posted, I was wrong about Hasted. I had no real other choice. You want me to claim? Not sure if you'll believe it because it's generic, but I'm a simple vanilla townie.
Believe what you want. That's my defense. I'll continue to defend myself until I die, but it's your choice whether you accept it or not.
So far, you haven't given us much reason to believe you.
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I told you. I found/still find NoD suspicious and at the time, I was fully convinced he was mafia.
Yes, but why was it vital that you vote for me only if there was the correct number of votes already on me? And why is it that you "had no choice"?
And again, what about me do you find suspicious?
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Alright, RollHigher. Defend yourself. I did.
Interesting...if we're following the theory that both are scummy, it looks as if PWC is offering encouragement to RH to dig himself out of the hole, the same way that PWC believes that he himself did.
I'm very curious about this. Why are you encouraging RH now, PWC? RH was defending a proven scum yesterday, so there's not too many reasons for a townie to believe in his innocence. But for some reason, you feel like he's on your side. Can you give us any reason why you would believe in him? Why exactly do you buy into his story, and why are you so anxious that he defend himself sucessfully?
Well, as stated before, I think both are valid candidates for lynching at this point. The cases against both are strong and compelling. RH seems to be proceeding more cautiously, but PWC's actions have been blatantly anti-town on several occasions.
All thing considered, I think RH's possible value as an analyst and his more inscrutable behavior would have made him a better choice to keep around for today than PWC, but there is still good reason to check into both. Since the momentum has swung against RH for today, this would seem to be the best time to remove him from the equation. We can worry about PWC tomorrow.
All thing considered, I think RH's possible value as an analyst and his more inscrutable behavior would have made him a better choice to keep around for today than PWC, but there is still good reason to check into both. Since the momentum has swung against RH for today, this would seem to be the best time to remove him from the equation. We can worry about PWC tomorrow.
This is what keeps me suspicious with you. While you say in your post that you think PWC is a more likely mafioso, you vote for RH anyway. While I seriously doubt you are mafia, I'm sure that you know that whatever decision you make, you'll influence a lot of other peoples' decisions. All I'm saying is that no one should accept NoD's advice blindly. With that said, I definitely think at this point that he's a townsperson.
This is what keeps me suspicious with you. While you say in your post that you think PWC is a more likely mafioso, you vote for RH anyway. While I seriously doubt you are mafia, I'm sure that you know that whatever decision you make, you'll influence a lot of other peoples' decisions. All I'm saying is that no one should accept NoD's advice blindly. With that said, I definitely think at this point that he's a townsperson.
What I was trying to say that I think they're both probably mafia, but PWC might have been a slightly safer bet. But the cases against both are strong enough that I'm happy either way.
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Ummm.....are we really going to lose?
I doubt that a mafia game could end this quickly......
Pardon my asking, but who is the "we" you were referring to?
If I was intrepreting RH's post correctly, he was saying that the mafia is more or less screwed at this point because they've already lost over half their members. Were you admitting that you're the 4th member? If so, would you guys mind ending this game early because the mafia don't really have much of a chance left?
Ummm.....are we really going to lose?
I doubt that a mafia game could end this quickly......
Yeah When I saw that I said a double-take. I figured I misunderstood. But no. Are you admitting you are part of the mafia?
If that was an accident that takes the cake as THE worse play I have ever seen. Or maybe he is mafia trying to take heat off the more important Mafia. But that is not going to happen....
Thinking again, I don't know... I guess he really couldn't be talking about the townies. If RH is mafia, and so is Myself, kudos to you NoD, be you Azrael or not.
Also, I believe Myself interpreted RH's post incorrectly - he read 'The game is over' as 'The whole game is finished now'. Still, this might be a Freudian slip.
I am aurorasparrow, and the last mafia for all intents and purposes. Neither of the others posted even ONCE on this thread. (Kyle and Detrimentality).
The irony was this:
As soon as I found I was mafia I stopped reading my PM, to avoid finding out who my mafia buddies were. The entire HQ argument I made was done thinking he was townie. The last post, where I vote for him, was after I decided to look at my PM and found him on the list.
In conclusion: Azrael is ridiculous once again, and blind games work poorly unless everyone is a VERY active poster. gg
I am aurorasparrow, and the last mafia for all intents and purposes. Neither of the others posted even ONCE on this thread. (Kyle and Detrimentality).
The irony was this:
As soon as I found I was mafia I stopped reading my PM, to avoid finding out who my mafia buddies were. The entire HQ argument I made was done thinking he was townie. The last post, where I vote for him, was after I decided to look at my PM and found him on the list.
In conclusion: Azrael is ridiculous once again, and blind games work poorly unless everyone is a VERY active poster. gg
Hey fun. A mafia game over on Day 2....You did not have to tell us who the other mafia was. Just wondering, why impersonate HR?
In Conclsuion: Azreal is insane, and this game was horrible. Who knows who I am?
I hate it when people are given an important part in a game and then just leave. I must admit, I also didn't like Az' revelation of his identity. And now he's on the MTGS Mafia blacklist.
Who am I? (I know I'm posting on my regular account.)
We are all going to be blacklisted/warned for talking on our real accounts but this game is over...so...meh. PWC?
i blame aurorasparrow, because thats a very gay thing to do.
im not kly or detrementally, and i have posted
uuurgh, IDIOT!
Jack Bauer, right? Kyle's replacement?
Sparrow probably should have tried to consult the rest of his team before making that decision, but with him, HQ, and PWC all hitting the dust one after another, the mafia's odds of coming out on top were none too good. You and your lurker friend would have had to reduce the town to just 4 members, without losing anyone else in the process. If you could have pulled that off sucessfully, it would have been very, very impressive.
So I think you have reason to be upset, but I don't think he made you lose the game. He just cut short your last stand by a few days.
Yeah, the game was over the moment Sparrow didn't read his PM and HQ claimed docter. Stupid stupid stupid.
I'm infy glad that RollHigher was our lynch for today, not PWC. It makes me feel pwoerful.
Also, had anyone considered that there might have been a SK who for some reason had no kill last night?
Oh, for the record, I was A GUTTER POSTER WHO IS NOT USING THIS ACCOUNT AS A GIMMICK TO VOTE FOR BILLYTHEFRIDGE GOD NO. Not many of you will have played with me, but I've played something in the region of 10 games on MTGnews, and a couple on MT.
Hehe. This was my first game over here: I didn't do too badly, did I?
(Tefo, for the record.)
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference, and a ****ing chainsaw.
Sparrow probably should have tried to consult the rest of his team before making that decision, but with him, HQ, and PWC all hitting the dust one after another, the mafia's odds of coming out on top were none too good. You and your lurker friend would have had to reduce the town to just 4 members, without losing anyone else in the process. If you could have pulled that off sucessfully, it would have been very, very impressive.
So I think you have reason to be upset, but I don't think he made you lose the game. He just cut short your last stand by a few days.
Right back at you Azreal.:)
I have to admit I have been away the last two real world days.
This is the second game over here I've been in that has come to a crashing halt before it got really going.
Tell me truthfully, is it my breath?
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Ummm... GG everyone? kinda sucks that this game is over already. But meh, at least the townies won (which includes me) anyone guess who i was?
It being so early in the game it was all but impossible for me to figure out who was who. I really have no guess.
I'm looking forward to Zoob posting the palyer list and game info though.
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Well I have not played with many of you so I have been making my guesses based on how you tpye, the kind of words you use, etc. From what I gathered I think you are Worthawholebean but I think I am wrong.
And @Usan:
Um there were 4 but Auro told us who they all were.
Um there were 4 but Auro told us who they all were.
...and they were also inactive, so the game would just have been the town trying to figure them out, and no nightkills would have taken place. Rather boring, when all is said and done.
Oh, and any guesses as to who I am?
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Ambivalent owner of nan's soul. Proud worshipper of TFE.
Heh well that was fun. As to my last post I figured, why not, it might make this game a little more exciting. And btw who officially won? Ah yes as to my real identity, it will remain one of the great mystories of the world. (I hope)
After looking through this thread, it appears that this game must be finished. Zoob, I can relist you and bump you up a bit if you want, and I am sorry about this.
Guys, several of you said this game sucked. I am sorry, Zoob is perfectly competent, you guys screwed it up for yourself with such things as editting, claiming who you are, and revealing your damn partners.
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After looking through this thread, it appears that this game must be finished. Zoob, I can relist you and bump you up a bit if you want, and I am sorry about this.
Guys, several of you said this game sucked. I am sorry, Zoob is perfectly competent, you guys screwed it up for yourself with such things as editting, claiming who you are, and revealing your damn partners.
yes, i agree. Zoob did nothing wrong, just the mafia sucked.
Yes it is over. There may be two mafias, although I doubt it, regardless it is over. Good attempt Zoob but it just never ahppen. People did not want to post on their blind accounts and when they did it ruined things. Will you be posting information?
Reed, I believe that is good enough compensation, as I know you to be a reputable player.
Also, I apologize if I made anyone think that posting in here revealing your main account is an offence(or is it se?). No, that is not. In a game of my own (which this is not) it would be. No, posting with your main account here before game end is the offence you guys need to worry about...
JK, it was pretty much screwed up before then, my warning list is just saying "dont do it again"
EDIT: If you have any problems with how Zoob and/or Myself are dealing with this, or if you feel you may have been warned/blacklisted unfairly DONT forget to contact me at ohwaitnvm (on aim). also, i hate users who use night :.p
Reed, I believe that is good enough compensation, as I know you to be a reputable player.
Also, I apologize if I made anyone think that posting in here revealing your main account is an offence(or is it se?). No, that is not. In a game of my own (which this is not) it would be. No, posting with your main account here before game end is the offence you guys need to worry about...
JK, it was pretty much screwed up before then, my warning list is just saying "dont do it again"
EDIT: If you have any problems with how Zoob and/or Myself are dealing with this, or if you feel you may have been warned/blacklisted unfairly DONT forget to contact me at ohwaitnvm (on aim). also, i hate users who use night :.p
If possible, I'd like to be put back on the hosting list. I never really... got a chance.
Needless to say, my next game will not be of the blind variety.
Alright. I have both of your SNs, so I can talk to you guys and see if you want to go right away or hold back or switch or whatever, without spamming up the threads.
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Go home. Thats all you can say? Real good tactic there....You are on your way to being lynched and all you can produce is an insult for us? Go home.
Also do you think it is possible that when someone dies we find out who they were?
Also:
Ninja0fDeath 23
Alphabet Soup 17
RollHigher 15
plastic watering can 14
ImNotMafia 12
Pooh 10
No Es Lo Mismo 9
Tefo 9
Myself 8
Zoobamaphooza 8
HunterDuck 6
Emerys 6
sting chameleon 5
Hasted Quickling 5
Townie 4
imacoolone2002 4
Ikzann 3
Vecna_Reborn 1
Fiat Lux 1
This is unexcpetable on Day 2. I realize I am low on the list but I will remind you I could not most for most of Day 1 and that there really has not been much to post to.
Not too much relevant here, pretty neutral.
He says he wants me voted off, and yet he wants to know the vote count first: possibly because he doesn't want to occupy a scummy position on the wagon. Disturbingly, he has very few reservations about lynching a possible townie: he wants me voted off one way or another simply because I revealed my identity.
Next, he says I'm being suspicious, but he doesn't cite any examples, or back up his reasoning with any quotes. He simply puts the accusation out there, unsupported.
Since you never replied to my counter-argument the first time around, I'll simply requote it:
Moving on:
In this post,
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=269285&postcount=76
I detailed why what PWC was suggesting above was an incredibly bad idea for the town. We would receive no information from it, and the mafia would have a good chance to make us mis-lynch. If he had succeeded, PWC would have created a scenario in which we would not only miss lynching HQ, but also would have pseudo-"confirmed" him on the next day, or forced the doctor to claim.
Here, he raises the idea that doctors actually can self-protect, a suggestion that somewhat slowed down the wagon against HQ. Although it's likely that HQ would have died anyways, that seed of doubt planted by PWC could have delayed or even averted HQ's death, if events had not transpired the way that they did. RH may have made subtle attempts to come to HQ's aid, but PWC was a much more obvious defender.
Here, he continues to defend the idea of a self-protecting doc, and reaffirms his suspicions of me, while ignoring the arguments in my favor.
Here, he makes an about-face and turns on HQ, much like RH did.
Defends his previous assertion of the self-protecting doc.
Again, defends his reasoning for supporting HQ. However, he still fails to explain why he kept his vote on NoD for so long.
Here, he jumps on what he sees as a golden opportunity to renew suspicions against me, and lead the town to distrust my analysis. He doesn't vote, since he knows his chances of getting me lynched are slim to none at this point, but he does "FOS FOS FOS" ImNotMafia and Ninja0fdeath.
However, he is ignoring the truth that the possibility of someone being scum is NOT FOS-worthy. After all, everyone in the game starts off with a chance of being scum, that's nothing unusual. Honest FOSes should be reserved for when you find evidence that someone might be scum, not when you conjure up a possible scenario where someone could be.
Raising the scenario as a possibility as "Myself" did is one thing. It still wasn't thought through mathematically, and didn't account for the likelihood that coming forward would get me inspected, but it wasn't incredibly scummy to suggest it. But to FOS someone simply on the possibility of a gambit seems more like an attempt to maliciously cast suspicion on a victim, and not to take a fair, unbiased approach to finding the best lynch for the town.
Not plausible enough for a vote, or are you simply waiting for the right moment?
So far, our record seems pretty good, actually.
Would you mind detailing exactly why you find me suspicious?
That's up to you. I'm a little curious why you're getting so upset about it, however. Did you think that revealing myself and tricking HQ into taking the bait was a dirty trick to play on you mafia folks, or something?
Here's the thing: there was no valid reason to suspect me as a mafioso. Furthermore, the game is not a popularity contest, so the only criteria that should factor into your lynch decision should be the probability of someone being scum. If I had "ruined" the game (funny how no one else seems to think it's been ruined), then that's a matter for the mod to handle, not the players. Their job is to take out the scum, and so far, I have yet to see you post a convincing argument that I have behaved as a mafia agent would.
This doesn't really prove much. Whether you're mafia or townie, you don't want to attract suspicion.
No. Mafia don't want to push along bandwagons against their fellow agents, unless their death is already inevitable.
You defended him up until the point where his death was inevitable. That's very consistent with mafia behavior, especially considering your reasons for defending him were flimsy at best, and completely illogical at worst.
So far, you haven't given us much reason to believe you.
Yes, but why was it vital that you vote for me only if there was the correct number of votes already on me? And why is it that you "had no choice"?
And again, what about me do you find suspicious?
Interesting...if we're following the theory that both are scummy, it looks as if PWC is offering encouragement to RH to dig himself out of the hole, the same way that PWC believes that he himself did.
I'm very curious about this. Why are you encouraging RH now, PWC? RH was defending a proven scum yesterday, so there's not too many reasons for a townie to believe in his innocence. But for some reason, you feel like he's on your side. Can you give us any reason why you would believe in him? Why exactly do you buy into his story, and why are you so anxious that he defend himself sucessfully?
Well, as stated before, I think both are valid candidates for lynching at this point. The cases against both are strong and compelling. RH seems to be proceeding more cautiously, but PWC's actions have been blatantly anti-town on several occasions.
All thing considered, I think RH's possible value as an analyst and his more inscrutable behavior would have made him a better choice to keep around for today than PWC, but there is still good reason to check into both. Since the momentum has swung against RH for today, this would seem to be the best time to remove him from the equation. We can worry about PWC tomorrow.
Vote Rollhigher.
vote rollhigher
This is what keeps me suspicious with you. While you say in your post that you think PWC is a more likely mafioso, you vote for RH anyway. While I seriously doubt you are mafia, I'm sure that you know that whatever decision you make, you'll influence a lot of other peoples' decisions. All I'm saying is that no one should accept NoD's advice blindly. With that said, I definitely think at this point that he's a townsperson.
Ummm.....are we really going to lose?
I doubt that a mafia game could end this quickly......
i agree, roll higher is scum.
vote: RollHigher
What I was trying to say that I think they're both probably mafia, but PWC might have been a slightly safer bet. But the cases against both are strong enough that I'm happy either way.
Pardon my asking, but who is the "we" you were referring to?
If I was intrepreting RH's post correctly, he was saying that the mafia is more or less screwed at this point because they've already lost over half their members. Were you admitting that you're the 4th member? If so, would you guys mind ending this game early because the mafia don't really have much of a chance left?
Yeah When I saw that I said a double-take. I figured I misunderstood. But no. Are you admitting you are part of the mafia?
If that was an accident that takes the cake as THE worse play I have ever seen. Or maybe he is mafia trying to take heat off the more important Mafia. But that is not going to happen....
I interpret his post as "It's over for me."
I think Myself is talking aboout the townspeople.
Vote RH
We'll get the other one tomorrow.
Also, I believe Myself interpreted RH's post incorrectly - he read 'The game is over' as 'The whole game is finished now'. Still, this might be a Freudian slip.
I am aurorasparrow, and the last mafia for all intents and purposes. Neither of the others posted even ONCE on this thread. (Kyle and Detrimentality).
The irony was this:
As soon as I found I was mafia I stopped reading my PM, to avoid finding out who my mafia buddies were. The entire HQ argument I made was done thinking he was townie. The last post, where I vote for him, was after I decided to look at my PM and found him on the list.
In conclusion: Azrael is ridiculous once again, and blind games work poorly unless everyone is a VERY active poster. gg
Hey fun. A mafia game over on Day 2....You did not have to tell us who the other mafia was. Just wondering, why impersonate HR?
In Conclsuion: Azreal is insane, and this game was horrible. Who knows who I am?
We are all going to be blacklisted/warned for talking on our real accounts but this game is over...so...meh. PWC?
I didn't impersonate highroller, I just liked the name. I think I've played with roller maybe once; I don't know his style.
And there was no point in not telling you. They wouldn't send in nightkills, then you'd lynch lurkers and find them.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
im not kly or detrementally, and i have posted
uuurgh, IDIOT!
Jack Bauer, right? Kyle's replacement?
Sparrow probably should have tried to consult the rest of his team before making that decision, but with him, HQ, and PWC all hitting the dust one after another, the mafia's odds of coming out on top were none too good. You and your lurker friend would have had to reduce the town to just 4 members, without losing anyone else in the process. If you could have pulled that off sucessfully, it would have been very, very impressive.
So I think you have reason to be upset, but I don't think he made you lose the game. He just cut short your last stand by a few days.
I'm infy glad that RollHigher was our lynch for today, not PWC. It makes me feel pwoerful.
Also, had anyone considered that there might have been a SK who for some reason had no kill last night?
Oh, for the record, I was A GUTTER POSTER WHO IS NOT USING THIS ACCOUNT AS A GIMMICK TO VOTE FOR BILLYTHEFRIDGE GOD NO. Not many of you will have played with me, but I've played something in the region of 10 games on MTGnews, and a couple on MT.
My chick grips tight to my mutha ****in' back
Oh, I'm a mutha ****a on a motorcycle
Oh, I'm a mutha ****a on a motorcycle
I'm a hard hallucinator with an axe to grind
Shootin' from the hip like a porcupine
(Tefo, for the record.)
Extra: I think Azrael should have been penalized for revealing his identity. It was no fun.
(in retrospect, it might have been better if you didn't because that post was scummy.)
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
You seemed to play well. Can someone pelase tell me who I was?
Right back at you Azreal.:)
I have to admit I have been away the last two real world days.
This is the second game over here I've been in that has come to a crashing halt before it got really going.
Tell me truthfully, is it my breath?
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
It being so early in the game it was all but impossible for me to figure out who was who. I really have no guess.
I'm looking forward to Zoob posting the palyer list and game info though.
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
OMFG linkage
Well I have not played with many of you so I have been making my guesses based on how you tpye, the kind of words you use, etc. From what I gathered I think you are Worthawholebean but I think I am wrong.
And @Usan:
Um there were 4 but Auro told us who they all were.
Oh, and any guesses as to who I am?
Proud worshipper of TFE.
Bee tee dub, no one is going to guess who I am. No one. Trust me.
Aurosparrow, you're really lucky that I'm not going to blacklist you for this. That was a pretty dumb thing to do.
Guys, several of you said this game sucked. I am sorry, Zoob is perfectly competent, you guys screwed it up for yourself with such things as editting, claiming who you are, and revealing your damn partners.
Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
SR
yes, i agree. Zoob did nothing wrong, just the mafia sucked.
yeah.. that was pretty idiotic of me, and I definitely deserve a BL for it. Thanks.
If you want to trade positions on the mafia list, I'd be be willing to as compensation for killing the game.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Also, I apologize if I made anyone think that posting in here revealing your main account is an offence(or is it se?). No, that is not. In a game of my own (which this is not) it would be. No, posting with your main account here before game end is the offence you guys need to worry about...
JK, it was pretty much screwed up before then, my warning list is just saying "dont do it again"
EDIT: If you have any problems with how Zoob and/or Myself are dealing with this, or if you feel you may have been warned/blacklisted unfairly DONT forget to contact me at ohwaitnvm (on aim). also, i hate users who use night :.p
Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
SR
If possible, I'd like to be put back on the hosting list. I never really... got a chance.
Needless to say, my next game will not be of the blind variety.
Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
SR