All that I meant was that if no one gives any info, we'll be essentially blindly voting. I didn't like the idea of virtual claiming...so as to reveal power roles (there's been enough already) I was referring to what we have done so far as being sufficient.
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-his initial support of steve's vote against me, then sudden reversal of position when called on it.
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also, i dont get the taboo with voting at this site
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I agree with Stevie, but I think the taboo is a result of WD Mafia and WC3 Mafia. On MTGNEws every game starts with random votes and The Source, well, I won't start to talk about that. It scares me sometimes.
titus, he never supported Steve's vote against you. He is clearly talking about the state of voting here, and how it is big of a deal is made on almost every vote.
If you were not 100% cleared, i think i might be voting for you because of this.
Anyway, unvote: yoyamime, how much longer till we get a replacement?
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Vote Stevie192. This is due to my hunch that Yoyamime's gonna be replaced soon. While I've got my eye on others as well, Stevie's the one who deserves my vote, in my opinion - calling attention to a subliminal roleclaim may be suspicious (at least in my twisted mind), but voting a confirmed townie is just not cool by any standard. That being said, I still have an FOS on armlx, and I ask that my reasoning gets at least some review by others before I go crazy deciding whether or not I'm jumping at shadows.
Can Azrael possibly be lurking? He normally is such an active presence, in the other games I've watched here; maybe my perspective's different now that I'm playing.
And what is up with the no official vote count yet? If nothing else, it's good for people to see how close they are to the fire.
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I'd agree with that list Axel, although I'd place you in one the second category also...I've seen nothing too suspicious from you.
Need I remind you about that mix-up concerning enemy identification? Axel's still suspicious in my book.
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Whoa! calm down with the Steve votes. I agree that he is looking the most suspicious at the moment, but lets atleast wait until Yoyamime gets replaced.
One other thing. Axel: how is Blinking Spirit neither Mafia nor SK, i know that he appoligized for holding up the game, but he could be the SK or even a Mafia with a night ability. Or am i missing something else?
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Can Azrael possibly be lurking? He normally is such an active presence, in the other games I've watched here; maybe my perspective's different now that I'm playing.
So far, I simply don't have much material to work with. Very few votes, very little aggression, no records, no flavor, all we've got is the claiming going on, really.
Once I have something to analyze, I'll start analyzing. Till then, I won't try to make something out of nothing.
OK, by popular demand I'll stop posting pretentious nonsense. :grin2:
Following Axelrod's call for analysis of existing evidence, here's my entire notes file so far (or rather, the subset of it I can publish given that the mafia are reading too).
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AlphaInsidious:
* Appears to make assumptions about the first night kill, later explained as confusion of terminology.
* Defends Axelrod because he claims not to 'understand' Bateleur's points against.
* "Kill... maim... destroy."
armlx:
* Leaps instantly to Axelrod's defence. The evidence he provides is worth something only if he is mafia himself !
* Defends Axelrod again from Evil_Homestereo's followup.
* Calls for doc to investigate AlphaInsidious.
* Implies he has decoded AlphaInsidious' claim, but won't say what it is.
* Proposes white/non-white split likely to expose docs.
Axelrod:
* Early possible mega-dodgy post, which he later attributed to not reading his role PM carefully.
* Claims Pibbly's defence of Konda is odd (which it isn't).
* Finds my posting style thus far annoying. Sadly, he has a point.
* Proposed pausing incremental claims to work with existing posts.
Azrael:
* Initially proposed narrowind down possible mafia claims.
* Bizarrely claims to have LJustus' role from Mafia: The Gathering
* First to ask how far the incremental claims are actually going to be taken.
* Comes down strongly against Bateleur's initial post, but does so mostly by attacking Puzzle's (extremely mild) support for it.
Bateleur:
* Launched first-post attack on Axelrod, based on rather light evidence.
* First to point out Azrael might not have been targetted.
* Openly mentioned the Brothers Yamazaki issue.
Blinking Spirit:
* Apologises for the holdup - a very bad move for a townie !
* Points out that full name claims might reveal roles.
* Constructs a fairly detailed case against armlx (post #115).
* Also supports case against Axelrod.
* Suggests encoded roleclaims should be optional (crazy !).
* Points out (he thinks) Azrael is lurking.
Chrome Moxen:
* Turned up late and still hardly ever posts. This has happened in previous games too. Bad.
* Roleclaimed (by mistake ?).
dazbog_eaterofsouls:
* Suggests Azrael was both targetted and protected.
Dusk:
* Points out that armlx should not be broadcasting AlphaInsidious' "subliminal" claim.
* Plays very cautiously - posts reasonably often but without saying much.
* Hid a subliminal roleclaim to Isamaru when his partials claims thus far already contradicted this.
Evil_Homestereo:
* Early supporter of incremental claims plan.
* Backs Bateleur's suspicions of Axelrod following the latter's denials.
HAWKEYE:
* Relatively quiet, but then he did arrive late as a replacement.
help_i'm_a_bug:
* Extended incremental claims plan.
* First to openly explain the possibility of multiple subliminal claims, seemingly under the impression that this might not be obvious.
Jon:
* Makes himself useful collating info for everyone else to use, but doesn't say much.
LJustus:
* First to express skepticism of incremental claims plan by pointing out "too many roles" problem.
Puzzle:
* Proposed incremental claims.
* Wanted to proceed with partial colour claims.
Pibbly:
* Early supporter of the incremental claims plan.
* Later changes his mind and makes explicit mention of likely special-role townies which might be exposed.
* Urges caution over flood of votes for Stevie.
Stevie:
* Early attack on AlphaInsidious based on the latter's speculation about the kill.
* Wants to lynch titus on the basis that the latter has no special powers (!).
titus:
* Spontaneously claims the other ninja mason, annoying the rest of the town.
* Is openly suspicious of Bateleur's initial post.
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Also, I think it's time to look seriously at the issue of what to do on the first day. In particular, do we actually want to lynch anyone ? I think a pretty strong case can be made (and not against Stevie) but I want to hear a proper discussion first. So:
Unvote: armlx Vote: No lynch
FWIW I think it's relatively pointless to lynch Stevie at this stage. Yes, he's probably mafia, but if we're right it tells us nothing. By contrast, two of the other potential lynches would be very informative and we have a fair chance of hitting the SK (if there is one, as seems likely), which is a great thing to do in the early game.
The biggest enigma to me is Blinking Spirit - if anyone has inspector powers (all games do ?) he'd be a very good target IMO, not least because he's taken sides on so many issues.
Lastly, I've already concluded that I may have made a strategic error in my own play. I think it would actually be beneficial at this point for me to make a roleclaim of sorts. It would only be very marginally useful to the mafia I think, but might help one specific aspect of town strategy. On the other hand, if people are generally against it then I won't.
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* Leaps instantly to Axelrod's defence. The evidence he provides is worth something only if he is mafia himself !
* Defends Axelrod again from Evil_Homestereo's followup.
* Calls for doc to investigate AlphaInsidious.
* Implies he has decoded AlphaInsidious' claim, but won't say what it is.
* Proposes white/non-white split likely to expose docs.
The first one I'm confused about, but numbers 2 and 5 were results of my post then think way of playing mafia. Durf.
Back to Alpha
1. Docs can't investigate :grin2:.
2. People got mad at me for simply pointing out the claim. Alpha: if you want me to post your role, please say so.
This is exactly why Dusk was mad at me: people now know and are trying to get the info from me after they can't find it themselves. Other people probably didn't know and since I pointed it out have found it. Again relates back to the first paragraphs last couple sentances.
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FOS StevieT92
I think my vote was on Stevie before. Everyone wants to slow down, so whatever. He also has done stupid stuff like that before (no offense meant). Still its bad, hence the FOS
FOS bateleur
As I said before, claims like Alpha's basicaly only are going to hide the info from the SK or random townies (summary of why: Mafia can talk and should have 4-6 members in a game this size. One is bound to find out and the others will know). Your previous actions have been a little on the "meh" side, but not enough for me to disqualify you from the ignorant townie part of this. Still, you are good at Fadeblue's puzzles, so I would think you of all people would notice.
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Forgot one last key issue. It may be because you are a new player, but No Lynch is only good in the Townie-Mafia-SK end game. It basically gives the town no information and give the mafia a free night. Think of it like skipping your turn in Magic: its only good if you can abuse the fact your opponent has to take an extra turn. In mafia, this is generally impossible except in the situation I gave earlier.
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Lol, talk about taking something waaay out of context. That was a remark I made after about 3 people voted very early in the game. I was poking fun at everyone's eagerness to start bandwagons.
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Alpha: if you want me to post your role, please say so.
No, please don't. I realize the folly in my claim, and I'd rather those who haven't seen it not to know just yet.
After re-reading the thread, it does seem rather suspicious, Bateleur, about Axel's "pm confusion"...at least enough to keep him out of that "second category" we were talking about before. When I defended him before, I was defending not voting so early.
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One other thing. Axel: how is Blinking Spirit neither Mafia nor SK, i know that he appoligized for holding up the game, but he could be the SK or even a Mafia with a night ability. Or am i missing something else?
At the beginning of the day, Prizm started too soon remember. He put up the post announcing who was dead. I wasn't on-line when it happened, but other people were and you can still read their reactions to the "post" even though Prizm took it out later. Ink-Eyes was the only death, and we know this was not a mafia kill (assuming that there are going to be "energy objects" left at the site when a Spirit kills).
Prizm said the reason was that one player had not sent in his night choice. Obviously, if Blinking Spirit was that player, then he couldn't have been the one who killed Ink-Eyes. Therefore I conclude he isn't the SK. I am also positive that the mafia kill was not the missing choice. Prizm wouldn't have started at all if that were the case. Therefore I conclude that Blinking Spirit is not mafia. Not SK, not Mafia = Town. You are correct Blinking Spirit could be a mafia who has a special ability, but I just don't think so. I don't think he would have owned up to being the reason for the hold-up if that were the case. Mafia are typically reluctant to draw attention to themselves for any reason.
So I have him as clear.
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The biggest enigma to me is Blinking Spirit - if anyone has inspector powers (all games do ?) he'd be a very good target IMO, not least because he's taken sides on so many issues.
That's just a bad idea. We don't want to waste an inspection on someone who is very unlikely to be a mafia. Or do you question my analysis of the situation.
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Lastly, I've already concluded that I may have made a strategic error in my own play. I think it would actually be beneficial at this point for me to make a roleclaim of sorts. It would only be very marginally useful to the mafia I think, but might help one specific aspect of town strategy. On the other hand, if people are generally against it then I won't.
I obviously have no idea what you are talking about here, and can't say whether the benefit to be gained outweighs the help your info. gives to the mafia. So this appears to be a decision you may have to make for yourself.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
well im not posting that much because there isnt that much to comment on, and i dont know anything about mtg anymore. and yes i have been reading the thread.
Townies (basically cleared):
titus (no one has claimed against him)
Alpha (ditto here)
Blinking Spirit (see Axel's post)
Chrome Moxen (jumped into full claim, really risky move)
Suspicious people:
Bateleur
Stevie
Every one else is relativaly normal IMO.
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you know whats funny, i am getting suspicion when i OMGUS voted. I have said before, i had no intent of lynching him. i simply voted him because he attacked me.
I have a sneaking suspicion that there are scum on my bandwagon, because i have stated this before, and they want to prove their innocence by lynching everyone who does anything.
Dusk:
* Points out that armlx should not be broadcasting AlphaInsidious' "subliminal" claim.
* Plays very cautiously - posts reasonably often but without saying much.
* Hid a subliminal roleclaim to Isamaru when his partials claims thus far already contradicted this.
Actually, my "claim" of being Isamaru consisted of "I'm a Dog! Wait...no I'm not...".
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you know whats funny, i am getting suspicion when i OMGUS voted. I have said before, i had no intent of lynching him. i simply voted him because he attacked me.
And we're simply voting for you because you attacked him. Not to mention that whenever someone even looks at you funny, you immediately say that they're showing some "Mafia tell".
A "no lynch" vote, on top of your early aggression?
*with great effort, restrains his impulse to immediately vote Bateleur*
I've got all kinds of alarm bells going off in my ahead about you right now. If you didn't have the claim of inexperience to excuse you, I'd already have voted you a long time ago. As is, it's still not a completely unattractive option at this point.
Wait; is Dusk_ still doing the multiple claims thing he expressed concern about? That's very odd; as a townie, he'd have gotten his point across with the Isamaru claim, and there'd be no honest reason to continue.
I agree with Az; he has a disturbing tendency to make me do that. Seeing as I'm a new player too, I sympathize with bateleur's actions a little more; enthusiasm and novelty can cause people to leap into sometimes-unthinking action. But suspecting me because I take positions on everything? That is emphatically not a mafia tell (the position-taking, not the suspecting).
FOS stands on armlx, vote stands on Stevie; look at the reaction we've gotten out of Stevie already. He's sweating awful hard; Stevie, as you were so fond of saying, it takes 10 votes to lynch!
Still calling for an official FOS/vote count.
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Townies (basically cleared):
titus (no one has claimed against him)
Alpha (ditto here)
Blinking Spirit (see Axel's post)
Chrome Moxen (jumped into full claim, really risky move)
Suspicious people:
Bateleur
Stevie
Every one else is relativaly normal IMO.
what did alpha claim? i can't seem to find it
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you know whats funny, i am getting suspicion when i OMGUS voted. I have said before, i had no intent of lynching him. i simply voted him because he attacked me.
I have a sneaking suspicion that there are scum on my bandwagon, because i have stated this before, and they want to prove their innocence by lynching everyone who does anything.
unvote. wow...this is funny
you certainly didn't make it clear that it was an OMGUS vote at the time
FWIW I think it's relatively pointless to lynch Stevie at this stage. Yes, he's probably mafia, but if we're right it tells us nothing. By contrast, two of the other potential lynches would be very informative and we have a fair chance of hitting the SK (if there is one, as seems likely), which is a great thing to do in the early game.
As has been previously stated, voting no lynch is never a good thing this early in the game. It screams mafia
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The biggest enigma to me is Blinking Spirit - if anyone has inspector powers (all games do ?) he'd be a very good target IMO, not least because he's taken sides on so many issues.
Revealing a potential inspector is also NEVER a good idea. if you have an inkling as to who the townie power roles are, please keep them quiet.
These two massive errors can be attributed to noobishness, but the rapid shifty from agressive play to passive play is odd, perhaps scummy.
I'm resisting voting bat as well but his actions do constitute an FOS at least
UNFOS:everyone
FOS:Bat
FOS:Stevie
As the day progresses stevie is looking scummier and scummier , however i am not completely convinced that he is mafia, close but not quite.
Alpha claimed. Beyond that I won't say anything besides the cop should investigate him tonight.
Basically, unless someone screws up beyond all belief, my vote will hit either Bat or Stevie. I think the majority of the players here agree, with the exception of the few who want to possibly kill me. I don't know why, but people just like to vote for me.
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As for this voting thing, i can pretty much say that i am voting for Steve right now. I am going to chock up Bat's performace to inexperience, but he will have to be watched for sure.
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Yeah. 1st day lynch-wise, I have been 1st day lynched 2 times out of 9 games past day one, have died night 1 once, and am probably going to get D1 lynched in another game because I was on vacation for 2 weeks and they think I was lurking :whatever:.
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The more I think about it Bat is playing like how I did in my first couple game (and how I still play). Because of my sympathy towards him I will Vote Stevie.
To quote The Source: W00T W00T!! Bun Wagon!
To bring this up again, Stevie said he was like a tropical shark. Can anyone figure this one?
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Prizim, can we get a vote count here? I want a definite count on how many more votes Stevie still has left to live. Don't want to put him too close to death without a chance to save himself.
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Yes Stevie has raised my eyebrows quite a few times. Fist with the vote on someone who is thought to be town. Second with his claim of being like a "tropical shark" (???). Third with his lackluster defense of his choices. Stevie is where my vot would fall right now.
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Hmm. Bateleur mentioned this, so I decided to check into it myself.
Given that Jon seems to be a capable and creative mod, in battlestar mafia, I'm a little curious why he hasn't posted more than twice, and neither time addressed any of the arguments in the thread: he simply posted information on the roleclaims. He hasn't voiced any suspicions, made any observations, or taken a stand on an issue.
Jon, any impressions of what's been going on in the last 9 or 10 pages since you posted last?
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Hello Swinkee, I'll give you chance to read the thread before i start demanding anything from you. but when you get the chance please give us your impressions of the goings on.
Ah, greetings to swinkee!
Also, that is sort of strange what with Jon and all. He does seem extremely competent in the mafia realm, judging from his excellent work in Battlestar.
Please post, so I can get an impression of you in this game!
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I was going to put Jon on my suspicious list, but decided not to as no one else seemed to care, plus Stevie and Bat had done stupid things actively and had put up bigger targets. Its almost to the point where Jon should be replaced IMO, but we should give him some time to react.
And go swinkee for giving us another townie (and boo if you're mafia).
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Well, this isn't what I would call a professional impression, or even a skilled impression, but here goes: People are being idiots. Some moreso than others. Prime example: titus' claim. I know this has been discussed, but this is a very stupid move, but not scummy at all. Stevie jumping on titus was scummy, and unless Stevie isn't telling us something, then I'd say he is most scummy. As for bateleur voting 'no lynch', it's not an entirely stupid move, but I think that it's more suitable for an immediate day, not a day following a night, although it has been pointed out to me in the other game I'm in that 'no lynch' doesn't work. Also, Stevie's claim about the 'tropical shark' is completely nonsensical. If Stevie would be more clear, that would help. Aside from that, not really much worth comment, at least, not to my eyes.
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Swinkee, most of the thread has been about our partial claims, (Less than or equal to 3 or 4 and above, and about P!=T) could you please provide us with your stats please
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Swinkee, most of the thread has been about our partial claims, (Less than or equal to 3 or 4 and above, and about P!=T) could you please provide us with your stats please
CC>=4, P=T.
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Well, this isn't what I would call a professional impression, or even a skilled impression, but here goes: People are being idiots. Some moreso than others. Prime example: titus' claim. I know this has been discussed, but this is a very stupid move, but not scummy at all. Stevie jumping on titus was scummy, and unless Stevie isn't telling us something, then I'd say he is most scummy. As for bateleur voting 'no lynch', it's not an entirely stupid move, but I think that it's more suitable for an immediate day, not a day following a night, although it has been pointed out to me in the other game I'm in that 'no lynch' doesn't work. Also, Stevie's claim about the 'tropical shark' is completely nonsensical. If Stevie would be more clear, that would help. Aside from that, not really much worth comment, at least, not to my eyes.
another one in the titus fanclub
tell me, swinkee, why i happen to be the biggest idiot in the thread?
Not to leap to Jon's defense or anything, but this behavior is fairly typical of him. He makes "cataloging" type posts which summarize the information known thus far. He has been doing that kind of thing for a long time (see many old games on NEWS.) This does not mean that he is town. He does it both when he is town and also when he is mafia.
I sometimes wonder whether or not he does it when he is a townie strictly to cover for the times when he is mafia. So he can say he always plays the same way. In any event, I can't read too much into it (yet.)
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
tell me, swinkee, why i happen to be the biggest idiot in the thread?
As has been said before, you claimed without warning. As has been said before, that is a stupid move. And I didn't say you were the biggest idiot in the thread, just that your claim was a prime example of the type of stupidity that has been shown in this thread.
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Also, not to leap to Titus' defense too much either (but as long as I'm defending people, why not keep at it), but I'm not entirely sure that was such a horrible play. It was probably unnecessary, but it does put the mafia in something of a bind. They need to eliminate the "confirmed" players, but they also want to hit the power roles with their night kill. It also avoided any possibility of an endgame where a mafia tried to counter-claim being the last mason.
Now they've got to make a choice, get Titus and miss hitting anyone dangerous to them for another night, or leave him around and narrow the possible list of who they are. Not a terrible thing for us. (yes, if the mafia do leave him around they have an increased chance of hitting one of said power roles among the other players, but they will have to get him eventually and they won't like it whenever that is.)
Confirmed townies are good for us.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Revealing a potential inspector is also NEVER a good idea. if you have an inkling as to who the townie power roles are, please keep them quiet.
Bateleur didn't say I am the inspector, he said I should be inspected. Not that this helps his case, considering.
Can anyone counter-claim Masako? Stevie seems really desperate. Asking for doc protection, looking scummy as you are? Yeah right. It's a little early for that, in any case; you have to survive 'til tonight to survive through it. Once you get within one or two votes of lynching, let's have a full roleclaim from you and see what we can make of it.
That being said, a name claim from you here does clear you a bit in my eyes. Not enough to lift my vote, just yet - after all, you seem desperate, whether townie or mafia, and desperate mafia can take huge risks, thinking there's nothing to lose - but a bit.
And how can confirmed townies be bad? I'm just dying to know.
Lay off on titus, guys - he's a confirmed townie, however he got that way, and now is unimportant (except as far as his votes, analyses, and whatnot go).
Swinkee claiming >=4, P=T is, on one hand, the most suspicious claim, as it gives scum the best odds of finding an open claim. On the other hand, it's also the most probable claim, for much the same reasons. But I'd have felt more secure about him had he claimed something else.
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Bateleur didn't say I am the inspector, he said I should be inspected. Not that this helps his case, considering.
What Evil_Homestereo means is that whoever inspects you will have to come out and tell people about you. That is what worries him. At least, that's how I see this.
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Swinkee claiming >=4, P=T is, on one hand, the most suspicious claim, as it gives scum the best odds of finding an open claim. On the other hand, it's also the most probable claim, for much the same reasons. But I'd have felt more secure about him had he claimed something else.
Now, why would I claim anything else? Why would I claim anything but the truth?
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As has been said before, you claimed without warning. As has been said before, that is a stupid move. And I didn't say you were the biggest idiot in the thread, just that your claim was a prime example of the type of stupidity that has been shown in this thread.
it was a stupid move because...? as axelrod said, i have put the mafia in a bit of a jam - they can waste a kill on me (i'm neither a prolific player nor a power role), or they can leave me around, narrowing the list as to whom they are.
secondly, i was fairly apathetic
in any case, we should play the analysis game rather than the claim game. it works better for the town.
[QUOTE=swinkee]What Evil_Homestereo means is that whoever inspects you will have to come out and tell people about you. That is what worries him. At least, that's how I see this.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. at this point we want our instector(s) hidden.
I really don't trust stevie's claim... I'm not sure if i believe him even if no one counter claims... however ... it does give him a little credit.
unless i'm missing something His "hint" at his role couldn't translate into anything other than what he said, and what he said is still fairly weak. His "hint" did lock him into his claim.
confirmed townies can change end-game situations, for good and bad. they usually are good, but can be bad too.
well, i will clear up the whole "shark thing" by saying 1 thing
tropical shark=Mako=Masako
it was far out but i thought someone could have done it
doc, can you please protect me tonight, becuase the mafia will probably attack me thinking im the doc (which im not)
LOL!
Wait, wait, I'm ok.
ROFLMAO!
That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Why would Masako, as the advisor(?) to Konda be doc over 8.5 Tails or Yojimbo? If anything you could sway votes (see the flavor text of the hair needle card).
That stretch is meh too. I'll wait for someone to counterclaim, but my vote stays just because of some of the sheer stupidity you have shown today.
WTF on the confirmed townie thing. Confirmed townie w/o Role is amazing. The only situation a conf'ed townie is bad is if they are acting stupid (like you). Titus only claimed stupidly. Not enough to be bad.
Swinkee: There is not enough evidence on him, but its moderately suspicious Yoyamine failed to post (possibly lurking, dunno) then Swink claims the broadest claim. Not enough to really make me do anything, but something to bookmark mentally.
Axel: Ok. I guess. I haven't read any of Jon's other games so...
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titus, he never supported Steve's vote against you. He is clearly talking about the state of voting here, and how it is big of a deal is made on almost every vote.
If you were not 100% cleared, i think i might be voting for you because of this.
Anyway, unvote: yoyamime, how much longer till we get a replacement?
Can Azrael possibly be lurking? He normally is such an active presence, in the other games I've watched here; maybe my perspective's different now that I'm playing.
And what is up with the no official vote count yet? If nothing else, it's good for people to see how close they are to the fire.
Need I remind you about that mix-up concerning enemy identification? Axel's still suspicious in my book.
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One other thing. Axel: how is Blinking Spirit neither Mafia nor SK, i know that he appoligized for holding up the game, but he could be the SK or even a Mafia with a night ability. Or am i missing something else?
So far, I simply don't have much material to work with. Very few votes, very little aggression, no records, no flavor, all we've got is the claiming going on, really.
Once I have something to analyze, I'll start analyzing. Till then, I won't try to make something out of nothing.
Following Axelrod's call for analysis of existing evidence, here's my entire notes file so far (or rather, the subset of it I can publish given that the mafia are reading too).
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AlphaInsidious:
* Appears to make assumptions about the first night kill, later explained as confusion of terminology.
* Defends Axelrod because he claims not to 'understand' Bateleur's points against.
* "Kill... maim... destroy."
armlx:
* Leaps instantly to Axelrod's defence. The evidence he provides is worth something only if he is mafia himself !
* Defends Axelrod again from Evil_Homestereo's followup.
* Calls for doc to investigate AlphaInsidious.
* Implies he has decoded AlphaInsidious' claim, but won't say what it is.
* Proposes white/non-white split likely to expose docs.
Axelrod:
* Early possible mega-dodgy post, which he later attributed to not reading his role PM carefully.
* Claims Pibbly's defence of Konda is odd (which it isn't).
* Finds my posting style thus far annoying. Sadly, he has a point.
* Proposed pausing incremental claims to work with existing posts.
Azrael:
* Initially proposed narrowind down possible mafia claims.
* Bizarrely claims to have LJustus' role from Mafia: The Gathering
* First to ask how far the incremental claims are actually going to be taken.
* Comes down strongly against Bateleur's initial post, but does so mostly by attacking Puzzle's (extremely mild) support for it.
Bateleur:
* Launched first-post attack on Axelrod, based on rather light evidence.
* First to point out Azrael might not have been targetted.
* Openly mentioned the Brothers Yamazaki issue.
Blinking Spirit:
* Apologises for the holdup - a very bad move for a townie !
* Points out that full name claims might reveal roles.
* Constructs a fairly detailed case against armlx (post #115).
* Also supports case against Axelrod.
* Suggests encoded roleclaims should be optional (crazy !).
* Points out (he thinks) Azrael is lurking.
Chrome Moxen:
* Turned up late and still hardly ever posts. This has happened in previous games too. Bad.
* Roleclaimed (by mistake ?).
dazbog_eaterofsouls:
* Suggests Azrael was both targetted and protected.
Dusk:
* Points out that armlx should not be broadcasting AlphaInsidious' "subliminal" claim.
* Plays very cautiously - posts reasonably often but without saying much.
* Hid a subliminal roleclaim to Isamaru when his partials claims thus far already contradicted this.
Evil_Homestereo:
* Early supporter of incremental claims plan.
* Backs Bateleur's suspicions of Axelrod following the latter's denials.
HAWKEYE:
* Relatively quiet, but then he did arrive late as a replacement.
help_i'm_a_bug:
* Extended incremental claims plan.
* First to openly explain the possibility of multiple subliminal claims, seemingly under the impression that this might not be obvious.
Jon:
* Makes himself useful collating info for everyone else to use, but doesn't say much.
LJustus:
* First to express skepticism of incremental claims plan by pointing out "too many roles" problem.
Puzzle:
* Proposed incremental claims.
* Wanted to proceed with partial colour claims.
Pibbly:
* Early supporter of the incremental claims plan.
* Later changes his mind and makes explicit mention of likely special-role townies which might be exposed.
* Urges caution over flood of votes for Stevie.
Stevie:
* Early attack on AlphaInsidious based on the latter's speculation about the kill.
* Wants to lynch titus on the basis that the latter has no special powers (!).
titus:
* Spontaneously claims the other ninja mason, annoying the rest of the town.
* Is openly suspicious of Bateleur's initial post.
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Also, I think it's time to look seriously at the issue of what to do on the first day. In particular, do we actually want to lynch anyone ? I think a pretty strong case can be made (and not against Stevie) but I want to hear a proper discussion first. So:
Unvote: armlx
Vote: No lynch
FWIW I think it's relatively pointless to lynch Stevie at this stage. Yes, he's probably mafia, but if we're right it tells us nothing. By contrast, two of the other potential lynches would be very informative and we have a fair chance of hitting the SK (if there is one, as seems likely), which is a great thing to do in the early game.
The biggest enigma to me is Blinking Spirit - if anyone has inspector powers (all games do ?) he'd be a very good target IMO, not least because he's taken sides on so many issues.
Lastly, I've already concluded that I may have made a strategic error in my own play. I think it would actually be beneficial at this point for me to make a roleclaim of sorts. It would only be very marginally useful to the mafia I think, but might help one specific aspect of town strategy. On the other hand, if people are generally against it then I won't.
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Origionally posted by Bateleur
armlx:
* Leaps instantly to Axelrod's defence. The evidence he provides is worth something only if he is mafia himself !
* Defends Axelrod again from Evil_Homestereo's followup.
* Calls for doc to investigate AlphaInsidious.
* Implies he has decoded AlphaInsidious' claim, but won't say what it is.
* Proposes white/non-white split likely to expose docs.
The first one I'm confused about, but numbers 2 and 5 were results of my post then think way of playing mafia. Durf.
Back to Alpha
1. Docs can't investigate :grin2:.
2. People got mad at me for simply pointing out the claim. Alpha: if you want me to post your role, please say so.
This is exactly why Dusk was mad at me: people now know and are trying to get the info from me after they can't find it themselves. Other people probably didn't know and since I pointed it out have found it. Again relates back to the first paragraphs last couple sentances.
Unvote
FOS StevieT92
I think my vote was on Stevie before. Everyone wants to slow down, so whatever. He also has done stupid stuff like that before (no offense meant). Still its bad, hence the FOS
FOS bateleur
As I said before, claims like Alpha's basicaly only are going to hide the info from the SK or random townies (summary of why: Mafia can talk and should have 4-6 members in a game this size. One is bound to find out and the others will know). Your previous actions have been a little on the "meh" side, but not enough for me to disqualify you from the ignorant townie part of this. Still, you are good at Fadeblue's puzzles, so I would think you of all people would notice.
Forgot one last key issue. It may be because you are a new player, but No Lynch is only good in the Townie-Mafia-SK end game. It basically gives the town no information and give the mafia a free night. Think of it like skipping your turn in Magic: its only good if you can abuse the fact your opponent has to take an extra turn. In mafia, this is generally impossible except in the situation I gave earlier.
Lol, talk about taking something waaay out of context. That was a remark I made after about 3 people voted very early in the game. I was poking fun at everyone's eagerness to start bandwagons.
No, please don't. I realize the folly in my claim, and I'd rather those who haven't seen it not to know just yet.
After re-reading the thread, it does seem rather suspicious, Bateleur, about Axel's "pm confusion"...at least enough to keep him out of that "second category" we were talking about before. When I defended him before, I was defending not voting so early.
-Alpha
At the beginning of the day, Prizm started too soon remember. He put up the post announcing who was dead. I wasn't on-line when it happened, but other people were and you can still read their reactions to the "post" even though Prizm took it out later. Ink-Eyes was the only death, and we know this was not a mafia kill (assuming that there are going to be "energy objects" left at the site when a Spirit kills).
Prizm said the reason was that one player had not sent in his night choice. Obviously, if Blinking Spirit was that player, then he couldn't have been the one who killed Ink-Eyes. Therefore I conclude he isn't the SK. I am also positive that the mafia kill was not the missing choice. Prizm wouldn't have started at all if that were the case. Therefore I conclude that Blinking Spirit is not mafia. Not SK, not Mafia = Town. You are correct Blinking Spirit could be a mafia who has a special ability, but I just don't think so. I don't think he would have owned up to being the reason for the hold-up if that were the case. Mafia are typically reluctant to draw attention to themselves for any reason.
So I have him as clear.
That's just a bad idea. We don't want to waste an inspection on someone who is very unlikely to be a mafia. Or do you question my analysis of the situation.
I obviously have no idea what you are talking about here, and can't say whether the benefit to be gained outweighs the help your info. gives to the mafia. So this appears to be a decision you may have to make for yourself.
my sig. made by me.
Townies (basically cleared):
titus (no one has claimed against him)
Alpha (ditto here)
Blinking Spirit (see Axel's post)
Chrome Moxen (jumped into full claim, really risky move)
Suspicious people:
Bateleur
Stevie
Every one else is relativaly normal IMO.
I have a sneaking suspicion that there are scum on my bandwagon, because i have stated this before, and they want to prove their innocence by lynching everyone who does anything.
unvote. wow...this is funny
Actually, my "claim" of being Isamaru consisted of "I'm a Dog! Wait...no I'm not...".
And we're simply voting for you because you attacked him. Not to mention that whenever someone even looks at you funny, you immediately say that they're showing some "Mafia tell".
A "no lynch" vote, on top of your early aggression?
*with great effort, restrains his impulse to immediately vote Bateleur*
I've got all kinds of alarm bells going off in my ahead about you right now. If you didn't have the claim of inexperience to excuse you, I'd already have voted you a long time ago. As is, it's still not a completely unattractive option at this point.
Wait; is Dusk_ still doing the multiple claims thing he expressed concern about? That's very odd; as a townie, he'd have gotten his point across with the Isamaru claim, and there'd be no honest reason to continue.
I agree with Az; he has a disturbing tendency to make me do that. Seeing as I'm a new player too, I sympathize with bateleur's actions a little more; enthusiasm and novelty can cause people to leap into sometimes-unthinking action. But suspecting me because I take positions on everything? That is emphatically not a mafia tell (the position-taking, not the suspecting).
FOS stands on armlx, vote stands on Stevie; look at the reaction we've gotten out of Stevie already. He's sweating awful hard; Stevie, as you were so fond of saying, it takes 10 votes to lynch!
Still calling for an official FOS/vote count.
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what did alpha claim? i can't seem to find it
you certainly didn't make it clear that it was an OMGUS vote at the time
i love you steve :love2:
As has been previously stated, voting no lynch is never a good thing this early in the game. It screams mafia
Revealing a potential inspector is also NEVER a good idea. if you have an inkling as to who the townie power roles are, please keep them quiet.
These two massive errors can be attributed to noobishness, but the rapid shifty from agressive play to passive play is odd, perhaps scummy.
I'm resisting voting bat as well but his actions do constitute an FOS at least
UNFOS:everyone
FOS:Bat
FOS:Stevie
As the day progresses stevie is looking scummier and scummier , however i am not completely convinced that he is mafia, close but not quite.
Gaymers
Basically, unless someone screws up beyond all belief, my vote will hit either Bat or Stevie. I think the majority of the players here agree, with the exception of the few who want to possibly kill me. I don't know why, but people just like to vote for me.
As for this voting thing, i can pretty much say that i am voting for Steve right now. I am going to chock up Bat's performace to inexperience, but he will have to be watched for sure.
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The more I think about it Bat is playing like how I did in my first couple game (and how I still play). Because of my sympathy towards him I will Vote Stevie.
To quote The Source: W00T W00T!! Bun Wagon!
To bring this up again, Stevie said he was like a tropical shark. Can anyone figure this one?
Prizim, can we get a vote count here? I want a definite count on how many more votes Stevie still has left to live. Don't want to put him too close to death without a chance to save himself.
No Lynch: 1 (Bateleur)
Stevie: 4 (Dusk, Armlx, Help im a bug, Blinking Spirit)
Armlx: 1 (Titus)
People who are suspicious of Stevie: Dazbog, Pibbly (probably are more, but these are the ones who would vote for him)
Given that Jon seems to be a capable and creative mod, in battlestar mafia, I'm a little curious why he hasn't posted more than twice, and neither time addressed any of the arguments in the thread: he simply posted information on the roleclaims. He hasn't voiced any suspicions, made any observations, or taken a stand on an issue.
Jon, any impressions of what's been going on in the last 9 or 10 pages since you posted last?
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Also, that is sort of strange what with Jon and all. He does seem extremely competent in the mafia realm, judging from his excellent work in Battlestar.
Please post, so I can get an impression of you in this game!
-Alpha
And go swinkee for giving us another townie (and boo if you're mafia).
Dont worry, I'm not mafia. :wink3:
Proud worshipper of TFE.
Just kidding. Odds are (assuming normal 14 Town, 5 Mafia, 1 SK set up, I could be wrong) you are town, but the same logic applies to everyone.
Whats your impression of the situation, Swinkee?
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Proud worshipper of TFE.
another one in the titus fanclub
tell me, swinkee, why i happen to be the biggest idiot in the thread?
unvote armlx, that doesn't seem to be going anywhere
hop hop hop hop hop
vote steve
I sometimes wonder whether or not he does it when he is a townie strictly to cover for the times when he is mafia. So he can say he always plays the same way. In any event, I can't read too much into it (yet.)
Proud worshipper of TFE.
Now they've got to make a choice, get Titus and miss hitting anyone dangerous to them for another night, or leave him around and narrow the possible list of who they are. Not a terrible thing for us. (yes, if the mafia do leave him around they have an increased chance of hitting one of said power roles among the other players, but they will have to get him eventually and they won't like it whenever that is.)
Confirmed townies are good for us.
well, i will clear up the whole "shark thing" by saying 1 thing
tropical shark=Mako=Masako
it was far out but i thought someone could have done it
doc, can you please protect me tonight, becuase the mafia will probably attack me thinking im the doc (which im not)
Proud worshipper of TFE.
Bateleur didn't say I am the inspector, he said I should be inspected. Not that this helps his case, considering.
Can anyone counter-claim Masako? Stevie seems really desperate. Asking for doc protection, looking scummy as you are? Yeah right. It's a little early for that, in any case; you have to survive 'til tonight to survive through it. Once you get within one or two votes of lynching, let's have a full roleclaim from you and see what we can make of it.
That being said, a name claim from you here does clear you a bit in my eyes. Not enough to lift my vote, just yet - after all, you seem desperate, whether townie or mafia, and desperate mafia can take huge risks, thinking there's nothing to lose - but a bit.
And how can confirmed townies be bad? I'm just dying to know.
Lay off on titus, guys - he's a confirmed townie, however he got that way, and now is unimportant (except as far as his votes, analyses, and whatnot go).
Swinkee claiming >=4, P=T is, on one hand, the most suspicious claim, as it gives scum the best odds of finding an open claim. On the other hand, it's also the most probable claim, for much the same reasons. But I'd have felt more secure about him had he claimed something else.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Now, why would I claim anything else? Why would I claim anything but the truth?
Proud worshipper of TFE.
You shouldn't; I'd just prefer it if the truth put you somewhere else.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
it was a stupid move because...? as axelrod said, i have put the mafia in a bit of a jam - they can waste a kill on me (i'm neither a prolific player nor a power role), or they can leave me around, narrowing the list as to whom they are.
secondly, i was fairly apathetic
in any case, we should play the analysis game rather than the claim game. it works better for the town.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. at this point we want our instector(s) hidden.
I really don't trust stevie's claim... I'm not sure if i believe him even if no one counter claims... however ... it does give him a little credit.
unless i'm missing something His "hint" at his role couldn't translate into anything other than what he said, and what he said is still fairly weak. His "hint" did lock him into his claim.
Gaymers
LOL!
Wait, wait, I'm ok.
ROFLMAO!
That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Why would Masako, as the advisor(?) to Konda be doc over 8.5 Tails or Yojimbo? If anything you could sway votes (see the flavor text of the hair needle card).
That stretch is meh too. I'll wait for someone to counterclaim, but my vote stays just because of some of the sheer stupidity you have shown today.
WTF on the confirmed townie thing. Confirmed townie w/o Role is amazing. The only situation a conf'ed townie is bad is if they are acting stupid (like you). Titus only claimed stupidly. Not enough to be bad.
Swinkee: There is not enough evidence on him, but its moderately suspicious Yoyamine failed to post (possibly lurking, dunno) then Swink claims the broadest claim. Not enough to really make me do anything, but something to bookmark mentally.
Axel: Ok. I guess. I haven't read any of Jon's other games so...