I dont think that saying that you are one of the good players is really going to do anything. If we all do, then we are going to have 16-17 people say they are "good heroes" and a couple who are neutral (like FireStarter) and we are no closer to finding any good information.
Like i said before, we should Race Claim. It will give us more relevant information that we could use.
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If 16-17 people claim to be one of the remaining 10 good heroes the Undead are completely screwed.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Hmm, Puzzle is neutral. Yeah. My vote-o-meter for him just went to a 7 from a 5. Unless something pops up, he's getting my vote.
Wait, make that an 8. How do you know its the Mafia that has roleblockers, and not just townies guessing night one? I can see the Mafia hitting Azreal after last game where he basically killed 2/3 mafia (plus sleep is a Undead ability as previously stated), but mushashi? 2 roleblocking mafia is like the mafia getting 2 votes. Bad times unless the town has like 4 cops. Plus freezing is a good hero ability (I think).
Yet to claim
Billking
Mosschop
Axelrod
Carrion Pidgeons
HAWKEYE7
LJustice
Prizm (has he even posted?)
Crippled_Fist (Same?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
stevieT92 (same?)
aurorasparrow (same?)
Seemingly Unable to post
Azrael
Musahshi
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Well, I said I was a good hero before anyone else did, so can I get on the list please?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Holy crap, how did 6 pages get posted before I had a chance to read it?
Gimme some time here guys, I need to read through the thread.
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If hefner was a rich, gay, playboy and had hot steamy sex with hot guys would you choose him? Of course not, mainly because im a straight male and find that stuff gross.
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I agree that a Race Claim is probably the safest bet. Another thing:
IF YOU CLAIM NEUTRAL, POST YOUR HERO NAME. My reasoning behind this:
1. The neutrals don't have any obvious doctor/cop/other role.
2. Undead are more likely to claim neutral.
Analysis of undead heros/abilities. Not that UD = undead.
Death Knight:
Death coil: heals UD, damages others. Possible for a mafia doc role.
Unholy aura: gives movement/regen bonuses to allies. Don't think this can work.
Dark ritual: adds BBB to... no, just kidding. Sacrifices an UD for health. Don't think this can work.
Lich:
Frost Nova: kills things.
Frost armor: exactly what it sounds like. Anybody that hits it moves slower, too. Again, mafia doc possibility.
Awful dark ritual-like spell nobody uses: mana instead of health. Again, can't work.
Dreadlord:
Vampiric Aura: things get health for attacking. Can't work.
Carrion Swarm: kills things.
Sleep: Azrael asleep?
If hefner was a rich, gay, playboy and had hot steamy sex with hot guys would you choose him? Of course not, mainly because im a straight male and find that stuff gross.
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If hefner was a rich, gay, playboy and had hot steamy sex with hot guys would you choose him? Of course not, mainly because im a straight male and find that stuff gross.
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Just posting to say I'm gonna be gone for a while. I'm leaving my dorm to visit my friends in the Detroit area until my class on Wednesday morning. Fun, drafts, and beer for me.
See you all then. I'm guessing the day might be over by then, but if it's not I'll be here with my vote to set things aright.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
GOOD HEROES
LJustice (Night Elf - ?)
Billking
Pibbly (Orc - ?)
Axelrod
help im a bug (Human - Archmage)
kingcobweb (Night Elf - Demon Hunter)
stevieT92
Prizm (Night Elf - ?) fadeblue (Orc - Far Seer) titus (Human - Blood Mage)
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
Yet to claim
Mosschop
Carrion Pidgeon
HAWKEYE7
Crippled_Fist (Has he posted?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
aurorasparrow (same?)
Seemingly Unable to post (and most likely not Mafia)
Azrael
Musahshi
Oh, and UnFOS help im a bug. You were against Puzzle, who is looking pretty scummy.
About the Lich, he's probably what incapacitated Musashi. Death Lord most likely hit Azrael. I think that puts them out of the Mafia as why would Mafia block their own guy? They still could be SK though, so watch out (highly doubtful unless the freezing/sleep abilities didn't cancel a night choice that day, which is most likely the freeze as it lasts longer).
This also makes Puzzle look worse. He stated both "freezes" were mafia with no explaination. Well, it looks like they are (Lich's Ice Armor, Death lord Sleep). Hmm... who would know what abilities the mafia had? Maybe another mafia!
Vote-o-Meter on Puzzle : 9 out of 10.. Yeah
Will anyone else back me on a vote for puzzle, or will we wait for solid proof?
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Sorry. Forgot for a second about the no unvoting stuff.
What other characters could freeze though? Anyone know, so we can figure out if it was scum or town freezing musashi. Ice Armor seems to be the best idea as of now.
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This sems to be going fairly well, I think the Undead may be running for cover. We have 10 of the 12 Hero "slots" proven or claimed. Suspicion must now turn to those who are not claiming anything: In particular, Hawkeye, Mosschop, and Evil Homestereo. Those three have heard the agruments, read the thread (I saw you, Stereo), but not made a claim OR said why they wouldn't. (Well, Mosschop said a little).
I don't think Crippled Fist has been on today, nor Aurorasparrow. Carrion Pidgeon was on early, but hasn't been around recently so I don't think we can read too much into those yet. Obviously Azrael can't post. Musashi, I think, can post, just can't vote, so suspicion could fall on him also (but one wonders who would have targeted him night one).
Once everyone has made a preliminary claim, it should be easy to further narrow down the possibilities, depending on whether we get too many neutral claims or too many hero claims.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Armix, I wouldn't post possible Hero abilites yet. I don't think it helps us much right now, and it might give the Undead a better idea of who to target.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Er, sorry for not being on. Just finished reading.
For ease, can people post their knowledge of WC3? I'm very well versed in WC3.
I can speculate on abilities if people wish. I'm a neutral.
For heroes that can control people, the Dark Ranger has charm, but that only works on units. No spell can control a hero.
Azrael definitely looks like he was sleeped, and of course titus was impaled. That means each of the mafia probably has an ability. Musashi looks like he was nova'ed, though theoretically he couldve attacked someone who was frost armored, got hit by a giant frost arrow, or blizzard'ed. (I cant really think of an ability for Archmage that makes sense).
Anyways, that leaves the death knight for an ability, which is obviously death coil (none of the others make sense as an ability). Could death coil be the "spirited away" kill?
ACtually, a death by "spirited away" also fits Soul Burn, which is one of the Firelord's abilities, and the one that makes most sense for game purposes.....
Mass Teleport like cancel all night kills once a game? I dunno. Mass Teleport sounds too powerful for heal. Multiple targets for a night... I just dont see it happening. It seems really, really too good.
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Mass Teleport like cancel all night kills once a game? I dunno. Mass Teleport sounds too powerful for heal. Multiple targets for a night... I just dont see it happening. It seems really, really too good.
Sigh. You're thinking too literally. That's like saying OMG FAR SIGHT COULDN'T WORK THAT WOULD REVEAL EVERYBODY IN TEH GAME.
I'm changing my FOS to you because you're at least 2 of the following: inexperienced, scum, stupid.
Just got to Aurorasparrows post. Wow. I can see where your coming from. Firelord is evilish, spirited away, neutrality, etc. If needed, I will reveal my ability. But here are my arguements.
1. Why would I post asking whether to post apparently pro-mafia material if I was scum? Wouldn't I just let my scum buddies know in private at night?
2. How does burning something to a crisp spirit it away?
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1. I was thinking the Firelord is SK, not scum. there are 2 undead neutral heroes who would be scum before the firelord is chosen as scum.
This is pretty Conspiracy theory, but you could also have already told your hypothetical buddies then posted your offer to look like youre acting in the intrests of the town.
2. The same way that death coiling something spirits it away; it doesnt. Its not physical burn; its soul burn. As we can see from banish and far sight, the connections dont have to be EXTREMELY tight.
The following people jump out at me as acting funny as I re-read the thread: help, armlx, Puzzle and moss. Moss is the only one that hasn't made any sort of claim, and was using the crappiest of crap logic, so confirm FOS: moss and only moss.
The way I think the game is set up is this:
-Mafia = 5, or 25% of the game.
-One serial killer-type role.
Now, there are 4 "regular" undead heros and 2 neutral ones. I'm willing to bet that the leftover Undead hero is the serial killer. This is why I don't think armlx is the serial killer, and I don't think he's lying because he claimed a role after people said they were suspicious of that role.
Here is how I think the rest of the day should go. NOBODY VOTES UNTIL WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN. We get every single person to claim a race, get everyone that claims neutral to give the name. If 5 people claim to be from 1 of the normal races, we get them and only them to each say the name of the hero they are claiming. The 2 that claim the same one, we lynch the most suspicious-seeming. If they're scum, woohoo, day 1 scum lynch! If they're not, woohoo, day 2 scum lynch!
I repeat.
If you claimed neutral, state the name of the hero NOW. If you have not claimed a race, do so NOW.
Mass Teleport like cancel all night kills once a game?
This is actually not that far off, but it is a bit stronger than what my actual Mass Teleport is. I'm not going to say exactly what my ability does, but do note that I never actually claimed to be a Doctor, just to have a protective ability.
Sorry for the delay , I got home at at 6. And yes I glanced at the thread earlier to see if the ball had gotten rolling, but I only had 10 minutes so I didnt get a chance to read the thread (as tempting as it was to skip class)
I am a good hero and an orc
As for the concept of claiming good/neutral hero roles in general ... it doesnt take much to for everyone to claim good/ neutral. I dont believe that it will tell us anything without risking revealing to much unless only 10 people claim good roles. If there are 11 or people claiming good roles we will have to reveal more info. So I believe that it is a good idea for people to reveal races if you are claiming a good role.
Thank you KCW. Your first post indicated you thought Firelod was SK. I claimed Firelord right after. If I was SK, why would I claim an suspicious character immediately?
UnFOS Help I'm a Bug. I need to think before I FOS.
Aurorasparrow - Now I get the Soulburn thing. I've never played Warcraft 3, so I guess I didn't understand your point of view.
BTW, the only problem with the plan is Azrael and Musashi's disablement. This allows 2 Mafia to hide in their places. We will need to find the groups with 4 and identify suspicious targets. Any way it goes, Day 2 should reveal the Mafia and let us dispatch them, then hunt the SK if the game continues to go on.
Human:
help im a bug (Human - Archmage) titus (Human - Blood Mage)
Unclaimed Race:
billking
Axelrod
StevieT92
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
aurorasparrow
Yet to claim
Mosschop
Carrion Pidgeon
HAWKEYE7
Crippled_Fist (Has he posted?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
Seemingly Unable to post (and most likely not Mafia as disabled by Mafia ability)
Azrael
Musahshi
Likelyhood of being scum
Ones who haven't claimed anything (especially the ones who have posted)
Puzzle
Aurorasparrow (No offense ment. Just the neutral no name thing. Once you claim name)
Those who have claimed Good, but not race (See above)
Pibly, Prizm,
LJustice, help im a bug
KCW
Me (still not 100% sure :tongue2: )
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Good call armxl , I hadnt thought about the inability to post. Until we hear from theM we will have incomplete infromation, Which might leave us vulnerable, or prone to making a bad judgement call
Fos:billking he has advocated cool and calculated play while be emotional himself, not sure if this is poor play or mafia activity , but it does make me wary
All right, even though this probably means that i am dead, i feel that this information must be shown.
Azrael has the power to gain control of the mind of another player, eliminating them from the game. In addition, Azrael then gains access to that other player's powers. This ability can be used every night.
I dont know about you guys, but this sounds like a SK to me. I really hate to do this, because Axrael cant reply to defend himself. (sorry...)
I wish Fadeblue was still alive, as in the first message, we were told about each other.
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Ability: Wind Walk
I can observer one player to determine their abilities. I dont get their race/name of ability
Thats me, im probably dead now. As i have created one hell of a large target on my back. But i think that getting rid of the SK is worth it. Unfotunatley if i live, i wont be able to observe another player until the cooldown.
I think this warents a HUGE FOS on Azreal
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All right, even though this probably means that i am dead, i feel that this information must be shown.
Azrael has the power to gain control of the mind of another player, eliminating them from the game. In addition, Azrael then gains access to that other player's powers. This ability can be used every night.
I dont know about you guys, but this sounds like a SK to me. I really hate to do this, because Axrael cant reply to defend himself. (sorry...)
I wish Fadeblue was still alive, as in the first message, we were told about each other.
Well then ...This changes the math quite alot now doesnt it
Puzzle i'm not sure about this but if we off the SK and all role reveal that more or less gives us the victory now doesnt it. If Azrael is the SK are you with us?
I'm sure he would not have posted this unless he was correct because doing puts his head on the chopping block ..... If he is wrong we off him. But I highly doubt that is that case
The question is, is it fair to off azrael without giving him an oppurtunity to defned himself?
The only problem is, i dont think that we wait for him to defend himself. As i clearly said, The ability can be used EVERY night. If we wait, thats another Townie killed. Im not going to vote yet, as i think every should have a chance to say something, but i really think that we need to kill Azreal this day.
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Wow. Wheter Mafia has a cop and got scared like I am, or was gunning for a goood player to shut down I'm not sure. All I know is we are crazy lucky.
We should wait until we have the results of our other search to ensure Pibbly's loyalty. If he turns up good, out goes Azrael. If Pibbly is evil, I would still be cautious. That ability is just as bad for mafia as is it for us, so the claim could be true. After 2 kills Azrael would be practically invincible. All he needed was to hit a vig...
Well, that just gives a top lynch target if Pibbly is good.
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I didnt say that he was the SK, im just say that that is his ability. I think that is what the SK's ability would be, but who knows? He could just be a crazy power Vigilant (unlikely). If that not what is his ability is, then go ahead and lynch me. Just dont lynch me because he is not an SK.
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Damn, why does FadeBlue have to be dead. He could back up my story as being the Blademaster. I personlly dont think we can wait for Azreal to defend himself and for a Cop to check me out. We will have another 1 maybe 2 townies dead tomarrow, putting us at 8. That is not a good number since we think that the Undead have about 5 people. At that point we have almost lost.
I really dont know what else to do to convince you.
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I'm merely suggesting going through with the role claim like thing, then lynching Azrael. I really think the threat of him being active is too great of a risk to take, but I would like to get as much info about who is scum day one as is possible.
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Agreed, unfortunately i have no more information to give. I have already told everything about my limited information ability. I just hope it does not bring too much attention to me. I also ask that i be protected tonight, as i believe that i will be a target....
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Can I put a second FOS on Mosschop (in addition to the one I've got on Hawkeye?) He still hasn't said anything, and now he's trying to muddy the waters by suggesting that the Mod. could have anticipated our roleclaim strategy and made adjustments to throw us off.
Guess what Moss, you could be right. The Mod. could have made changes or thrown in a wrinkle or two, BUT the only way we are going to figure that out is by staking out our claims. That should make it pretty clear what the set-up looks like. Everything we have seen so far suggests that the set up is one of each hero. So, what are you?
Pibbly: I think you probably did the right thing. Azrael's ability does sound like a SK. One question, however; I take it we are assuming he used it on fadeblue night one? That's why fade is gone. But Azrael himself was targeted somehow, causing him to sleep. Could he still get off his kill if he was targeted and put to sleep? What's the priority for these things? Anyone know?
Your math is a little off also. We have at least 12 townies left right now (assuming we started with 14 town, 5 undead, 1 SK). If 2 did die tonight we would be at 10, not 8.
I know I haven't claimed a race yet. Frankly, I didn't think race-claiming was necessary at this point. First get people boxed into either Good or Neutral claims, THEN further refine the search. This gives the least possible information to the Undead. I also am kind of hoping someone claims to be what I am first, so I can shoot them down big time.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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Like i said before, we should Race Claim. It will give us more relevant information that we could use.
Oh, im one of the Good heroes.
GOOD HEROES
Pibbly
help im a bug (Archmage)
kingcobweb (Demon Hunter)
fadeblue (Far Seer)
titus
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
You can add me to the good list.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Wait, make that an 8. How do you know its the Mafia that has roleblockers, and not just townies guessing night one? I can see the Mafia hitting Azreal after last game where he basically killed 2/3 mafia (plus sleep is a Undead ability as previously stated), but mushashi? 2 roleblocking mafia is like the mafia getting 2 votes. Bad times unless the town has like 4 cops. Plus freezing is a good hero ability (I think).
Yet to claim
Billking
Mosschop
Axelrod
Carrion Pidgeons
HAWKEYE7
LJustice
Prizm (has he even posted?)
Crippled_Fist (Same?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
stevieT92 (same?)
aurorasparrow (same?)
Seemingly Unable to post
Azrael
Musahshi
GOOD HEROES
Pibbly
help im a bug (Archmage)
kingcobweb (Demon Hunter)
fadeblue (Far Seer)
titus
LJustice
billking
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
GOOD HEROES
LJustice
Billking
Pibbly
help im a bug (Archmage)
kingcobweb (Demon Hunter)
fadeblue (Far Seer)
titus (Blood Mage)
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
Yet to claim
Mosschop
Axelrod
Carrion Pidgeons
HAWKEYE7
Prizm (has he even posted?)
Crippled_Fist (Same?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
stevieT92 (same?)
aurorasparrow (same?)
Seemingly Unable to post
Azrael
Musahshi
the massive roleclaim might work, but i think it might be disastrous
also, if it works, then why don't people do it in other mafia games
i am one of the good heroes
Gimme some time here guys, I need to read through the thread.
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Save my soul should I fall
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IF YOU CLAIM NEUTRAL, POST YOUR HERO NAME. My reasoning behind this:
1. The neutrals don't have any obvious doctor/cop/other role.
2. Undead are more likely to claim neutral.
Analysis of undead heros/abilities. Not that UD = undead.
Death Knight:
Death coil: heals UD, damages others. Possible for a mafia doc role.
Unholy aura: gives movement/regen bonuses to allies. Don't think this can work.
Dark ritual: adds BBB to... no, just kidding. Sacrifices an UD for health. Don't think this can work.
Lich:
Frost Nova: kills things.
Frost armor: exactly what it sounds like. Anybody that hits it moves slower, too. Again, mafia doc possibility.
Awful dark ritual-like spell nobody uses: mana instead of health. Again, can't work.
Dreadlord:
Vampiric Aura: things get health for attacking. Can't work.
Carrion Swarm: kills things.
Sleep: Azrael asleep?
Crypt Lord:
Has Impale, which killed Titus.
I am one of the good heroes.
Also, I think race-claiming is fairly safe.
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Well, go for it. Lead the pack.
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Smite my back should I flee
Save my soul should I fall
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help im a bug - 1 ( armlx)
kingcobweb - 1 (Mosschop)
Mosschop - 1 (kingcobweb)
Puzzle - 3 (help im a bug, armlx, billking)
Hawkeye7 - 1 (Axelrod)
Vote Tally
I believe thats all correct.
I am a night elf as well.
See you all then. I'm guessing the day might be over by then, but if it's not I'll be here with my vote to set things aright.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
LJustice (Night Elf - ?)
Billking
Pibbly (Orc - ?)
Axelrod
help im a bug (Human - Archmage)
kingcobweb (Night Elf - Demon Hunter)
stevieT92
Prizm (Night Elf - ?)
fadeblue (Orc - Far Seer)
titus (Human - Blood Mage)
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
Yet to claim
Mosschop
Carrion Pidgeon
HAWKEYE7
Crippled_Fist (Has he posted?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
aurorasparrow (same?)
Seemingly Unable to post (and most likely not Mafia)
Azrael
Musahshi
Oh, and UnFOS help im a bug. You were against Puzzle, who is looking pretty scummy.
About the Lich, he's probably what incapacitated Musashi. Death Lord most likely hit Azrael. I think that puts them out of the Mafia as why would Mafia block their own guy? They still could be SK though, so watch out (highly doubtful unless the freezing/sleep abilities didn't cancel a night choice that day, which is most likely the freeze as it lasts longer).
This also makes Puzzle look worse. He stated both "freezes" were mafia with no explaination. Well, it looks like they are (Lich's Ice Armor, Death lord Sleep). Hmm... who would know what abilities the mafia had? Maybe another mafia!
Vote-o-Meter on Puzzle : 9 out of 10.. Yeah
Will anyone else back me on a vote for puzzle, or will we wait for solid proof?
Azrael could have been blocked by a townie ability.
Frost armor HELPS the target of it.
Don't try to rush a lynch.
What other characters could freeze though? Anyone know, so we can figure out if it was scum or town freezing musashi. Ice Armor seems to be the best idea as of now.
I don't think Crippled Fist has been on today, nor Aurorasparrow. Carrion Pidgeon was on early, but hasn't been around recently so I don't think we can read too much into those yet. Obviously Azrael can't post. Musashi, I think, can post, just can't vote, so suspicion could fall on him also (but one wonders who would have targeted him night one).
Once everyone has made a preliminary claim, it should be easy to further narrow down the possibilities, depending on whether we get too many neutral claims or too many hero claims.
FOS help im a bug. Archmage has no healing abilities. Plus claiming doc is a good mafia tactic. Nice mistake. Either that or mads are being wierd.
Aurorasparrow, I see you reading this. Post, dammit.
(Oh and sup fadeblue)
For ease, can people post their knowledge of WC3? I'm very well versed in WC3.
I can speculate on abilities if people wish. I'm a neutral.
For heroes that can control people, the Dark Ranger has charm, but that only works on units. No spell can control a hero.
Azrael definitely looks like he was sleeped, and of course titus was impaled. That means each of the mafia probably has an ability. Musashi looks like he was nova'ed, though theoretically he couldve attacked someone who was frost armored, got hit by a giant frost arrow, or blizzard'ed. (I cant really think of an ability for Archmage that makes sense).
Anyways, that leaves the death knight for an ability, which is obviously death coil (none of the others make sense as an ability). Could death coil be the "spirited away" kill?
ACtually, a death by "spirited away" also fits Soul Burn, which is one of the Firelord's abilities, and the one that makes most sense for game purposes.....
SEVERE FOS armlx.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Sigh. You're thinking too literally. That's like saying OMG FAR SIGHT COULDN'T WORK THAT WOULD REVEAL EVERYBODY IN TEH GAME.
I'm changing my FOS to you because you're at least 2 of the following: inexperienced, scum, stupid.
1. Why would I post asking whether to post apparently pro-mafia material if I was scum? Wouldn't I just let my scum buddies know in private at night?
2. How does burning something to a crisp spirit it away?
This is pretty Conspiracy theory, but you could also have already told your hypothetical buddies then posted your offer to look like youre acting in the intrests of the town.
2. The same way that death coiling something spirits it away; it doesnt. Its not physical burn; its soul burn. As we can see from banish and far sight, the connections dont have to be EXTREMELY tight.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
The way I think the game is set up is this:
-Mafia = 5, or 25% of the game.
-One serial killer-type role.
Now, there are 4 "regular" undead heros and 2 neutral ones. I'm willing to bet that the leftover Undead hero is the serial killer. This is why I don't think armlx is the serial killer, and I don't think he's lying because he claimed a role after people said they were suspicious of that role.
Here is how I think the rest of the day should go. NOBODY VOTES UNTIL WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN. We get every single person to claim a race, get everyone that claims neutral to give the name. If 5 people claim to be from 1 of the normal races, we get them and only them to each say the name of the hero they are claiming. The 2 that claim the same one, we lynch the most suspicious-seeming. If they're scum, woohoo, day 1 scum lynch! If they're not, woohoo, day 2 scum lynch!
I repeat.
If you claimed neutral, state the name of the hero NOW. If you have not claimed a race, do so NOW.
Feel free to speak up if you see flawed logic.
This is actually not that far off, but it is a bit stronger than what my actual Mass Teleport is. I'm not going to say exactly what my ability does, but do note that I never actually claimed to be a Doctor, just to have a protective ability.
I am a good hero and an orc
As for the concept of claiming good/neutral hero roles in general ... it doesnt take much to for everyone to claim good/ neutral. I dont believe that it will tell us anything without risking revealing to much unless only 10 people claim good roles. If there are 11 or people claiming good roles we will have to reveal more info. So I believe that it is a good idea for people to reveal races if you are claiming a good role.
Gaymers
UnFOS Help I'm a Bug. I need to think before I FOS.
Aurorasparrow - Now I get the Soulburn thing. I've never played Warcraft 3, so I guess I didn't understand your point of view.
BTW, the only problem with the plan is Azrael and Musashi's disablement. This allows 2 Mafia to hide in their places. We will need to find the groups with 4 and identify suspicious targets. Any way it goes, Day 2 should reveal the Mafia and let us dispatch them, then hunt the SK if the game continues to go on.
GOOD HEROES
Elves:
LJustice (Night Elf - ?)
kingcobweb (Night Elf - Demon Hunter)
Prizm (Night Elf - ?)
Orc:
Pibbly (Orc - ?)
fadeblue (Orc - Far Seer)
Human:
help im a bug (Human - Archmage)
titus (Human - Blood Mage)
Unclaimed Race:
billking
Axelrod
StevieT92
NEUTRALS
armlx (Firelord)
Puzzle
aurorasparrow
Yet to claim
Mosschop
Carrion Pidgeon
HAWKEYE7
Crippled_Fist (Has he posted?)
Evil_Homostero (Same?)
Seemingly Unable to post (and most likely not Mafia as disabled by Mafia ability)
Azrael
Musahshi
Likelyhood of being scum
Ones who haven't claimed anything (especially the ones who have posted)
Puzzle
Aurorasparrow (No offense ment. Just the neutral no name thing. Once you claim name)
Those who have claimed Good, but not race (See above)
Pibly, Prizm,
LJustice, help im a bug
KCW
Me (still not 100% sure :tongue2: )
Fos:billking he has advocated cool and calculated play while be emotional himself, not sure if this is poor play or mafia activity , but it does make me wary
Gaymers
Azrael has the power to gain control of the mind of another player, eliminating them from the game. In addition, Azrael then gains access to that other player's powers. This ability can be used every night.
I dont know about you guys, but this sounds like a SK to me. I really hate to do this, because Axrael cant reply to defend himself. (sorry...)
I wish Fadeblue was still alive, as in the first message, we were told about each other.
Ability: Wind Walk
I can observer one player to determine their abilities. I dont get their race/name of ability
Thats me, im probably dead now. As i have created one hell of a large target on my back. But i think that getting rid of the SK is worth it. Unfotunatley if i live, i wont be able to observe another player until the cooldown.
I think this warents a HUGE FOS on Azreal
Well then ...This changes the math quite alot now doesnt it
Puzzle i'm not sure about this but if we off the SK and all role reveal that more or less gives us the victory now doesnt it. If Azrael is the SK are you with us?
I'm sure he would not have posted this unless he was correct because doing puts his head on the chopping block ..... If he is wrong we off him. But I highly doubt that is that case
The question is, is it fair to off azrael without giving him an oppurtunity to defned himself?
Gaymers
We should wait until we have the results of our other search to ensure Pibbly's loyalty. If he turns up good, out goes Azrael. If Pibbly is evil, I would still be cautious. That ability is just as bad for mafia as is it for us, so the claim could be true. After 2 kills Azrael would be practically invincible. All he needed was to hit a vig...
Well, that just gives a top lynch target if Pibbly is good.
Damn, why does FadeBlue have to be dead. He could back up my story as being the Blademaster. I personlly dont think we can wait for Azreal to defend himself and for a Cop to check me out. We will have another 1 maybe 2 townies dead tomarrow, putting us at 8. That is not a good number since we think that the Undead have about 5 people. At that point we have almost lost.
I really dont know what else to do to convince you.
kingcobweb - 1 (Mosschop)
Mosschop - 1 (kingcobweb)
Puzzle - 3 (help im a bug, armlx, billking)
HAWKEYE7 - 1 (Axelrod)
armlx - 1 (aurorasparrow)
billking - 1 (Evil_Homestereo)
Azrael - 1 (Pibbly)
Vote Tally
Guess what Moss, you could be right. The Mod. could have made changes or thrown in a wrinkle or two, BUT the only way we are going to figure that out is by staking out our claims. That should make it pretty clear what the set-up looks like. Everything we have seen so far suggests that the set up is one of each hero. So, what are you?
Pibbly: I think you probably did the right thing. Azrael's ability does sound like a SK. One question, however; I take it we are assuming he used it on fadeblue night one? That's why fade is gone. But Azrael himself was targeted somehow, causing him to sleep. Could he still get off his kill if he was targeted and put to sleep? What's the priority for these things? Anyone know?
Your math is a little off also. We have at least 12 townies left right now (assuming we started with 14 town, 5 undead, 1 SK). If 2 did die tonight we would be at 10, not 8.
I know I haven't claimed a race yet. Frankly, I didn't think race-claiming was necessary at this point. First get people boxed into either Good or Neutral claims, THEN further refine the search. This gives the least possible information to the Undead. I also am kind of hoping someone claims to be what I am first, so I can shoot them down big time.