Welcome to 3CB #14! Thanks for being patient with me while my internet was dying, and thanks especially to Goblinboy for running the results while my ISP was being stupid. Things are (fairly) back to normal now.
Congratulations are in order for Halinn, for winning POTM!!
Since we've been running POTM now for quite a few weeks, I've updated the thread with the POTM winners from the past 2 series of rounds.
This is a normal round, with one exception: Mishra's Workshop is banned this round. Last round, coupled with the rounds prior, have caused me to become even more worried about Mishra's Workshop. I want to see how a round without the Workshop will play out. NOTICE: This is not a permanent change (yet). If Mishra's Workshop does come up to be banned, I will let you, the players, vote on it. Banning the 'shop is an extremely meta-game warping event.
Get ready! Next weeks round is a special round!
If you have any questions about 3CB that this thread can not answer, please check out thesethreearticles, written by GoblinBoy back in the 3CB hayday.
I've also written two primers on 3CB lands, which you can find here and here.
My first 3CB metagaming article can be found here, and the follow up to that article can be found here. These articles show you the process I go through every week to figure out my decklist.
Good luck everyone!
--------------Submission Deadline--------------
Please, PM your decks to Death_By_Beebles at either MDV or MTGS. The deadline for submission is 12AM EST August 13th, 2007.
--------------Deck Name Theme--------------
The theme for deck naming this week is "Board Games".
--------------Rules and Submission Guidelines--------------
Your deck is composed of 3 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.
Three rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.
3. You may not submit a deck that uses a card on the 3CB banned list.
Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.
If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to " 3CB Round #X", where X is the current round number. The format for the message should be:
Deck Name
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3
--------------Current Banned List--------------
All Ante cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged cards (excluding basic land)
I don't think Workshop itself is broken. The only consistently powerful workshop deck is Steel Wheels. I think leaving Workshop legal while banning wheel would sufficiently balance out the metagame.
By the way, Lotus is still listed as banned. Is that intentional?
I don't think Workshop itself is broken. The only consistently powerful workshop deck is Steel Wheels. I think leaving Workshop legal while banning wheel would sufficiently balance out the metagame.
By the way, Lotus is still listed as banned. Is that intentional?
There are four or five major decks out there, and banning Workshop just makes the other ones have less competition (and also slightly easier to hate against, I guess). Holding back one deck just makes the others thrive.
I think it would be a vastly more interesting round if you had a normal round followed by a round where the centerpiece card(s) of each deck in the previous round gets banned, so an almost completely unknown metagame gets created.
Please, PM your decks to Death_By_Beebles at either MDV or MTGS. The deadline for submission is 12AM EST August 1st, 2007. This round will still count for July POTM.
Congratulations to Halinn for the POTM Naming - Hare and Tortise is a boardgame that goes great with his deck's strategy, and it's one of those games that not many people know about.
Congratulations to Chimpanzee for winning 3CB #14!!!
#13 - andelijah
Originality.dec
Black Lotus
Magus of the Moon
Rishadan Cutpurse
vs.
#14 - Jack Power
Remove Water on the Knee: Collect $1000 fee!
Unmask
Sickening Shoal
Dryad Arbor
is 0-6, should be 1-4. Going first, I play the Lotus, and pass. If he plays the Arbor, I play Cutpurse, killing it. Otherwise I'll just wait, since I have two answers to the Arbor in my hand, he can't get rid of both of them.
vs.
#17 - Dusk_
What Workshop?
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
is 2-2...? Should be 6-0, I play magus and he loses.
#2 - Death_By_Beebles
Carcassonne.dec
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Raise the Alarm
vs
#17 - Dusk_
What Workshop?
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Should be 3-3 and not 6-0 in your favor.
I go first:
D: Scepter
d: Scepter
D (23): Burn
d (17): Tokens
D (26): Burn
d (14): Tokens, swing (2)
D (27): Burn
d (11): Tokens, Swing (4)
D (26): Burn
d (8): Tokens, swing (6)
D (23): Burn
d (5): Tokens, swing (8)
D (18): Burn
d (2): Tokens, swing (10)
D (11): Burn, win
For PoTM race purposes:
#6 Chimpanzee
Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, STP
vs.
#4
Black Lotus, Greater Gargadon, Epochrasite
Listed as 1-4, should be 2-2
All I have to do is save StP for Gargadon and just hold back Baloth to block Epochrasite. He can't kill me before Baloth hits play so I can force a draw.
vs
#8 SumPhatGuy
Lotus, Lotus, Rakdos
Listed as 4-1, should be 6-0
I can just swords Rakdos the turn after it hits play. He can never get an attack or block in.
Congratulations are in order for Halinn, for winning POTM!!
Since we've been running POTM now for quite a few weeks, I've updated the thread with the POTM winners from the past 2 series of rounds.
This is a normal round, with one exception: Mishra's Workshop is banned this round. Last round, coupled with the rounds prior, have caused me to become even more worried about Mishra's Workshop. I want to see how a round without the Workshop will play out. NOTICE: This is not a permanent change (yet). If Mishra's Workshop does come up to be banned, I will let you, the players, vote on it. Banning the 'shop is an extremely meta-game warping event.
Get ready! Next weeks round is a special round!
If you have any questions about 3CB that this thread can not answer, please check out these three articles, written by GoblinBoy back in the 3CB hayday.
I've also written two primers on 3CB lands, which you can find here and here.
My first 3CB metagaming article can be found here, and the follow up to that article can be found here. These articles show you the process I go through every week to figure out my decklist.
Good luck everyone!
--------------Submission Deadline--------------
Please, PM your decks to Death_By_Beebles at either MDV or MTGS. The deadline for submission is 12AM EST August 13th, 2007.
--------------Deck Name Theme--------------
The theme for deck naming this week is "Board Games".
--------------Rules and Submission Guidelines--------------
Your deck is composed of 3 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.
Three rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.
3. You may not submit a deck that uses a card on the 3CB banned list.
Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.
If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to " 3CB Round #X", where X is the current round number. The format for the message should be:
Deck Name
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3
--------------Current Banned List--------------
All Ante cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged cards (excluding basic land)
--------------Current Watched List--------------
Mishra's Workshop
--------------POTM (Points of the Month)--------------
New month!
Last Month -
1. Halinn - 343
2. Chimpanzee - 340
3. WhammWhamme - 313
4. SumPhatGuy - 292
5. Goblinboy - 283
6. Tlaon - 282
7. silasw - 272
8. andelijah - 253
9. Jack Power - 253
10. Wrath_of_DoG - 247
11. Dusk_ - 224
12. Caldera42 - 209
13. Knowledge - 207
14. death by aggro - 194
15. krizzlybear - 192
16. ikkleste - 189
17. Shadowlord - 155
18. Niv-Mizzet Rulez! - 147
19. SenorClown - 136
20. chaosjuggler - 132
21. ferro_man - 117
22. magicianofthought - 94
23. Amadi - 73
24. ThunderHog - 66
25. Charm_Master3125 - 61
26. Captain Jack Sparrow - 55
27. Feuerache - 55
28. Yezzandrix - 46
29. Mogg - 44
30. loran16 - 44
31. Username - 38
32. Frooog - 58
33. Zhou_tai - 37
--------------Winner List--------------
FuDaWg45 - Round #1
FuDaWg45 - Round #2
magicianofthought - Round #3
Feyd_Ruin - Round #4
Chimpanzee - Round #5
Zhou_tai - Round #6
Death_By_Beebles - Round #7
Chimpanzee - Round #8
Halinn- Round #9
SumPhatGuy -Round #10
Chimpanzee, andelijah, Halinn, Caldera, and Goblinboy - Round #11
Dusk_ - Round #12
Tlaon and Death_By_Beebles - Round #13
--------------POTM Winner List--------------
1-4: Death_By_Beebles
5-8: Chimpanzee
9-13: Halinn
14-18: ????????
By the way, Lotus is still listed as banned. Is that intentional?
3CB and 4CB5CB!Nope I've fixed the banned list.
I think it would be a vastly more interesting round if you had a normal round followed by a round where the centerpiece card(s) of each deck in the previous round gets banned, so an almost completely unknown metagame gets created.
Salvation Mafia Clan
Mafia Stats
last updated 03/23/11
Um, correct deadline please?
You're so needy!
The deadline has been corrected.
"I Was in China, I Swear!" SenorClown Cries Upon Accusations--A Liar?
Sheltered Valley
Black Lotus
Lavaborn Muse
#2 - Death_By_Beebles
Carcassonne.dec
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Raise the Alarm
#3 - ThunderHog
If this works, I'll crap my pants...
Black Lotus
Crusade
Tethered Griffin
#4 - death by aggro
How to play Risk
Black Lotus
Greater Gargadon
Epochrasite
#5 - Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
Solid Snake: Cobra Strike
Voracious Cobra
Mountain
Black Lotus
#6 - Chimpanzee
Baloth Farm
Savannah
Durkwood Baloth
Swords to Plowshares
#7 - Tlaon
Valley of the Muse
Sheltered Valley
Black Lotus
Lavaborn Muse
#8 - SumPhatGuy
The Rakdos Risk.dec
Black Lotus
Black Lotus
Rakdos, the Defiler
#9 - WhammWhamme
Last from the Past
Sand Silos
Energy Field
Palinchron
#10 - silasw
Princess Lolly in the Molasses Swamp
Black Lotus
Lavaborn Muse
Quicksand
#11 - Knowledge
TET.dec
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
Treetop Village
#12 - Halinn
Hare and Tortoise
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths
#13 - andelijah
Originality.dec
Black Lotus
Magus of the Moon
Rishadan Cutpurse
#14 - Jack Power
Remove Water on the Knee: Collect $1000 fee!
Unmask
Sickening Shoal
Dryad Arbor
#15 - chaosjuggler
Risk.dec
Daze
Keldon Halberdier
Volcanic Island
#16 - Goblinboy
Not Really Trying
Mishra's Factory
Mox Jet
Sphere of Resistance
#17 - Dusk_
What Workshop?
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
X| 1 2 3 4| 5 6 7 8| 9 0 1 2| 3 4 5 6| 7 Total
1| X 6 6 6| 6 0 2 0| 0 6 6 6| 6 2 3 3| 0 58
2| 0 X 6 6| 6 6 0 0| 0 0 0 0| 0 3 3 0| 6 36
3| 0 0 X 3| 6 0 0 0| 0 0 0 0| 2 0 3 3| 0 17
4| 0 0 3 X| 2 4 0 0| 0 0 0 6| 6 3 0 0| 0 24
5| 0 0 0 2| X 0 0 0| 0 0 0 6| 6 0 1 3| 0 18
6| 6 0 6 1| 6 X 6 4| 2 6 6 6| 3 2 6 6| 0 72
7| 2 6 6 6| 6 0 X 0| 0 6 6 6| 6 2 3 3| 0 58
8| 6 6 6 6| 6 1 6 X| 6 6 0 0| 2 3 3 3| 6 66
9| 6 6 6 6| 6 2 6 0| X 6 0 6| 0 2 6 6| 6 70
0| 0 6 6 6| 6 0 0 0| 0 X 6 6| 6 2 2 4| 0 52
1| 0 6 6 6| 6 0 0 6| 6 0 X 6| 0 2 0 0| 0 44
2| 0 6 6 0| 0 0 0 6| 0 0 0 X| 0 6 6 0| 0 30
3| 0 6 2 0| 0 3 0 2| 6 0 6 6| X 0 0 3| 2 36
4| 2 3 6 3| 6 2 2 3| 2 2 2 0| 6 X 6 2| 3 50
5| 3 3 3 6| 4 1 3 3| 0 2 6 0| 6 0 X 6| 3 47
6| 3 6 3 6| 3 0 3 3| 0 1 6 6| 3 2 0 X| 6 51
7| 6 0 6 6| 6 6 6 0| 0 6 6 6| 2 3 3 0| X 62
Congratulations to Halinn for the POTM Naming - Hare and Tortise is a boardgame that goes great with his deck's strategy, and it's one of those games that not many people know about.
Congratulations to Chimpanzee for winning 3CB #14!!!
1) Chimpanzee -72 pts
2) WhammWhamme - 70 pts
3) SumPhatGuy - 66 pts
4) Dusk_ - 62 pts
5) SenorClown - 58 pts
5) Tlaon - 58 pts
7) silasw - 52 pts
8) Goblinboy - 51 pts
9) Jack Power - 50 pts
10) chaosjuggler - 47 pts
11) Knowledge - 44 pts
12) Death_By_Beebles - 36 pts
12) andelijah - 36 pts
14) Halinn - 30 pts
15) death by aggro- 24 pts
16) Niv-Mizzet_Rulez! - 18 pys
17) ThunderHog - 17 pts
Must make sure I send one in for #15.
Originality.dec
Black Lotus
Magus of the Moon
Rishadan Cutpurse
vs.
#14 - Jack Power
Remove Water on the Knee: Collect $1000 fee!
Unmask
Sickening Shoal
Dryad Arbor
is 0-6, should be 1-4. Going first, I play the Lotus, and pass. If he plays the Arbor, I play Cutpurse, killing it. Otherwise I'll just wait, since I have two answers to the Arbor in my hand, he can't get rid of both of them.
vs.
#17 - Dusk_
What Workshop?
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
is 2-2...? Should be 6-0, I play magus and he loses.
Salvation Mafia Clan
Mafia Stats
last updated 03/23/11
#14 - Jack Power
Remove Water on the Knee: Collect $1000 fee!
Unmask
Sickening Shoal
Dryad Arbor
#16 - Goblinboy
Not Really Trying
Mishra's Factory
Mox Jet
Sphere of Resistance
Should be 4-1 in his favor instead of 2-2. If he goes first, he can Unmask my Mox.
Carcassonne.dec
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Raise the Alarm
vs
#17 - Dusk_
What Workshop?
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Should be 3-3 and not 6-0 in your favor.
D: Scepter
d: Scepter
D (23): Burn
d (17): Tokens
D (26): Burn
d (14): Tokens, swing (2)
D (27): Burn
d (11): Tokens, Swing (4)
D (26): Burn
d (8): Tokens, swing (6)
D (23): Burn
d (5): Tokens, swing (8)
D (18): Burn
d (2): Tokens, swing (10)
D (11): Burn, win
#6 Chimpanzee
Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, STP
vs.
#4
Black Lotus, Greater Gargadon, Epochrasite
Listed as 1-4, should be 2-2
All I have to do is save StP for Gargadon and just hold back Baloth to block Epochrasite. He can't kill me before Baloth hits play so I can force a draw.
vs
#8 SumPhatGuy
Lotus, Lotus, Rakdos
Listed as 4-1, should be 6-0
I can just swords Rakdos the turn after it hits play. He can never get an attack or block in.
3CB and 4CB5CB!