Round 2 Begins, with some changes to the banned list. Please check out the banned list before submitting decks as expected.
I've moved Abandon Hope from the banned list to the watched list, and I've placed Voidstone Gargoyle on the banned list. For 3CB, it's a 1st turn play that is significantly better than Meddling Mage.
Other than the changes mentioned, this will be a normal round. I'm still deciding how I want to run special rounds, so if you have any ideas, PM me with them along with your deck.
If you have any questions about 3CB that this thread can not answer, please check out thesethreearticles, written by GoblinBoy back in the 3CB hayday.
I've also written a primer on 3CB lands, which you can find here.
*Check this area for new updates - I'm going to be writing more soon*
Good luck everyone!
--------------Submission Deadline--------------
Please, PM your decks to Death_By_Beebles at either MDV or MTGS. The deadline for submission is 12AM EST April 9th, 2007. (You get an extra day for Easter)
--------------Rules and Submission Guidelines--------------
Your deck is composed of 3 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.
Three rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.
3. You may not submit a deck that uses a card on the 3CB banned list.
Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.
If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to " 3CB Round #X", where X is the current round number. The format for the message should be:
Deck Name
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3
--------------Current Banned List--------------
All Ante cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged cards (excluding basic land)
It always did confuse me why Abandon Hope was banned bu Last Rites wasn't. They're the -same card-
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It always did confuse me why Abandon Hope was banned bu Last Rites wasn't. They're the -same card-
This was primarily the reason why it has been unbanned. Deckbuilding rules prevent any deck from making a person discard 2 cards, so I didn't seem to think there was a great reason to have it banned.
This was primarily the reason why it has been unbanned. Deckbuilding rules prevent any deck from making a person discard 2 cards, so I didn't seem to think there was a great reason to have it banned.
Actually, there's a major difference between the two. Last Rites can't make you discard lands, Abandon Hope can, making the Hope a complete lockdown card turn one (except in rare circumstances).
Actually, there's a major difference between the two. Last Rites can't make you discard lands, Abandon Hope can, making the Hope a complete lockdown card turn one (except in rare circumstances).
Hmmm, good point. We'll leave it be for now, and if it gets too powerful, we'll fix it.
Generally the Abandon Hope deck just ends up with a bunch of 3s and 4s, a few 6s, and at most a couple 0's unless its heavily metagamed against, usually ranking in the top 5 or so but seldom winning. It most likely won't appear dominant in any individual tournament, but its ridiculously consistant and is an easy way to rank well in the PoTM race. It ended up getting banned because it almost never finishes in a low rank and most decks that are designed to beat it lose to a lot of other decks. I'd recommend keeping it banned.
Some of you may have been in shock since we invaded Canada and Mexico, but fear not, it was for a good cause. Now that we conrol North America, we produce an extra 5 armies a turn.^_^
The deck to beat this week was Lightning Helix/Isochron Scepter, even if it didn't catch first place. Surprisingly, I was fairly accurate with my predictions for the metagame based on the information I gleaned from last week's results. I'm currently finishing a metagaming piece from last weeks data, detailing my expected results of last week's metagame. Call it a article on metagaming that loses a degree of freedom for being smashed into the 3CB curve (mad props if you get what I'm talking about). Hopefully, it'll be out soon.
My analysis of the metagame relied on people to incorporate a little more artifact/enchant hate in their builds for me to win, but a majority of the players metagamed specifically against The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale instead of the Eladamri's Vineyard. Boo at my oversight in that regard.
Props go out to Feyd_Ruin who played a deck to specifically hate out all the people playing Abandon Hope. Unfortunately, there were none. Luckily, no one will have to take one for the team again this week like he did, since Abandon Hope is going back into the banned list for next round. You had your chance and missed it!
Please, check your results. It's been a long night, I'm sure I've missed something
I've only verified the results of my own deck (and the other scepter-helix decks). I notice that you have all the scepter-helix decks getting 6 points against . . . and you get 6 points against them. Scepter-helix loses that matchup so it should go from 6-6 to 0-6.
the entire point of my deck was lost.
..which is actually a good thing since it means no one played the deck that was obviously unfair. Hooray decency!
Correction:
#12 - Feyd_Ruin
I'm taking one for the team, guys.
Vine Dryad, Nourishing Shoal, Leyline of the Void
Current: 0/6 (SPG winning)
Suggested: 2/2 (both games tied)
If I dont play out my cards he cant win. If he plays smallpox i discard vindicate and outrace him with my factory so we both dont play anything and we tie.
Current: 0/6 (SPG winning)
Suggested: 2/2 (both games tied)
If I dont play out my cards he cant win. If he plays smallpox i discard vindicate and outrace him with my factory so we both dont play anything and we tie.
The first game is a typo. Right now, it stands that you have 0 and I have 2 points.
The second is a mistake on my part. Thanks for pointing these out.
You can check out the last round here.
Round 2 Begins, with some changes to the banned list. Please check out the banned list before submitting decks as expected.
I've moved Abandon Hope from the banned list to the watched list, and I've placed Voidstone Gargoyle on the banned list. For 3CB, it's a 1st turn play that is significantly better than Meddling Mage.
Other than the changes mentioned, this will be a normal round. I'm still deciding how I want to run special rounds, so if you have any ideas, PM me with them along with your deck.
If you have any questions about 3CB that this thread can not answer, please check out these three articles, written by GoblinBoy back in the 3CB hayday.
I've also written a primer on 3CB lands, which you can find here.
*Check this area for new updates - I'm going to be writing more soon*
Good luck everyone!
--------------Submission Deadline--------------
Please, PM your decks to Death_By_Beebles at either MDV or MTGS. The deadline for submission is 12AM EST April 9th, 2007. (You get an extra day for Easter)
--------------Rules and Submission Guidelines--------------
Your deck is composed of 3 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.
Three rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.
3. You may not submit a deck that uses a card on the 3CB banned list.
Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.
If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to " 3CB Round #X", where X is the current round number. The format for the message should be:
Deck Name
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3
--------------Current Banned List--------------
All Ante cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged cards (excluding basic land)
--------------Current Watched List--------------
Abandon Hope
--------------POTM (Points of the Month)--------------
01) FuDaWg45- 76 pts
02) Shadowlord - 75 pts
02) Death_By_Beebles - 75pts
04) SumPhatGuy - 67 pts
05) chaosjuggler - 66 pts
06) Cashew - 60 pts
06) Mogg - 60 pts
06) SorryGuy - 60 pts
09) Chimpanzee - 57 pts
10) Beaker - 49 pts
11) Halinn - 44 pts
11) Dusk_ - 44 pts
13) Iammars - 42 pts
14) magicianofthought - 40 pts
15) Fayul - 39 pts
15) Wrath_of_DoG - 39 pts
17) SenorClown - 34 pts
18) Raine - 29 pts
19) Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!- 19 pts
--------------Winner List--------------
FuDaWg45 - Round #1
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This was primarily the reason why it has been unbanned. Deckbuilding rules prevent any deck from making a person discard 2 cards, so I didn't seem to think there was a great reason to have it banned.
Just a friendly reminder, decklists are due the 9th @ or before midnight.
Have a good holiday
WOOHOO!
(yes, I'm a little late in noticing)
Time to call upon all the random ideas I've gotten and couldn't use with the last set >_<
No longer staff here.
Actually, there's a major difference between the two. Last Rites can't make you discard lands, Abandon Hope can, making the Hope a complete lockdown card turn one (except in rare circumstances).
Hmmm, good point. We'll leave it be for now, and if it gets too powerful, we'll fix it.
3CB and 4CB5CB!EDIT: I am running the results, they should be up later today. Class 'n such.
I can guaranty you I did worse
No longer staff here.
I'll have this up later tonight or early tomorrow morning.
21 players = long nights and big smiles
Congratulations to FuDaWg45 for winning... again... with the same deck. Boo at everyone else for bad metagaming skills.
#1 - Wrath_of_DoG
Metagame
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Black Lotus
Paupers' Cage
#2 - Iammars
Ant-Tet.dec
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
Ursapine
#3 - SorryGuy
Why Stray?
Mishra's Workshop
Ensnaring Bridge
Scalding Tongs
#4 - serge
No Man-Lands for You!
Black Lotus
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Suppression Field
#5 - chaosjuggler
[The Completely Unoriginal]
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
Treetop Village
#6 - magicianofthought
Remember 3CB #103? No. I thought so.
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
#7 - Shadowlord
CounterFungus.dec
Tropical Island
Thallid
Daze
#8 - Beaker
Karakas.dec
Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
#9 - Solarion
Industrial Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
City of Traitors
Dust Bowl
#10 - Nai
No Name
Black Lotus
Web of Inertia
Treasure Hunter
#11 - Chimpanzee
This Would Have Owned Last Round
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
#12 - Feyd_Ruin
I'm taking one for the team, guys.
Vine Dryad
Nourishing Shoal
Leyline of the Void
#13 - MrCowFart
No Name
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate
#14 - WhammWhamme
Generic Entry
Black Lotus
Magus of the Tabernacle
Sheltered Valley
#15 - Mogg
Scepter-Helix.dec
City of Traitors
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
#16 - SenorClown
No Name
Mishra's Workshop
Steel Golem
Trinisphere
#17 - FuDaWg45
Come into my Workshop
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Steel Golem
#18 - Halinn
The Quick and the Dead
Mountain
Black Lotus
Lavaborn Muse
#19 - Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
Foil Alpha Lotus
Black Lotus
Rishadan Cutpurse
Indentured Djinn
#20 - Death_By_Beebles
Metagamed the Metagame
Black Lotus
Aura of Silence
Treasure Hunter
#21 - SumPhatGuy
ExperimentingWithoutTesting=lose.dec
Black Lotus
Smallpox
Big Game Hunter
XX| 1 2 3 4| 5 6 7 8| 9 0 1 2| 3 4 5 6| 7 8 9 0| 1 Total| % Win
01| X 2 2 2| 0 0 1 2| 2 2 0 2| 0 0 0 2| 0 0 2 0| 2 23 | 20.18 %
02| 2 X 0 6| 6 0 1 0| 6 2 0 6| 0 0 0 0| 0 0 0 0| 0 29 | 24.17 %
03| 2 6 X 6| 0 0 3 6| 6 6 0 6| 0 2 0 6| 0 0 2 0| 4 55 | 45.83 %
04| 2 0 0 X| 0 6 3 2| 6 2 6 2| 2 0 6 0| 0 0 0 0| 6 43 | 35.83 %
05| 6 0 6 6| X 0 2 0| 0 6 0 6| 0 6 0 2| 6 0 6 6| 2 60 | 50.00 %
06| 6 6 6 0| 6 X 3 6| 0 6 2 6| 0 6 2 0| 3 6 2 0| 0 66 | 55.00 %
07| 4 4 3 3| 2 3 X 1| 6 4 3 6| 6 6 3 3| 0 3 3 0| 2 63 | 55.26 %
08| 2 6 0 2| 6 0 4 X| 6 2 0 6| 2 2 0 2| 0 6 6 0| 2 56 | 49.12 %
09| 2 0 0 0| 6 6 0 0| X 2 6 2| 3 6 6 0| 0 0 0 0| 0 39 | 34.21 %
10| 2 2 0 2| 0 0 1 2| 2 X 0 2| 2 2 0 1| 0 0 2 0| 2 20 | 17.54 %
11| 6 6 6 0| 6 2 3 6| 0 6 X 6| 0 6 2 0| 3 6 2 0| 0 66 | 55.00 %
12| 2 0 0 2| 0 0 0 0| 2 2 0 X| 0 0 0 0| 0 0 0 0| 2 10 | 08.33 %
13| 6 6 6 2| 6 6 0 2| 3 2 6 6| X 6 6 6| 0 6 2 2| 2 81 | 67.50 %
14| 6 6 2 6| 0 0 0 2| 0 2 0 6| 0 X 0 3| 3 0 2 3| 2 43 | 35.83 %
15| 6 6 6 0| 6 2 3 6| 0 6 2 6| 0 6 X 0| 3 6 2 0| 0 66 | 55.00 %
16| 2 6 0 6| 2 6 3 2| 6 4 6 6| 0 3 6 X| 0 3 3 3| 4 71 | 59.16 %
17| 6 6 6 6| 0 3 6 6| 6 6 3 6| 6 3 3 6| X 0 6 3| 6 95 | 79.17 %
18| 6 6 6 6| 6 0 3 0| 6 6 0 6| 0 6 0 3| 6 X 6 6| 0 78 | 65.00 %
19| 2 6 2 6| 0 2 3 0| 6 2 2 6| 2 2 2 3| 0 0 X 0| 2 48 | 40.00 %
20| 2 3 6 4| 2 6 0 2| 6 4 6 6| 2 3 6 3| 3 3 3 X| 6 76 | 63.33 %
21| 2 6 1 0| 2 6 2 2| 6 2 6 2| 6 2 6 1| 2 6 2 0| X 56 | 49.12 %
01) [17] 95 pts - FuDaWg45
02) [13] 81 pts - MrCowFart
03) [20] 76 pts - Death_By_Beebles
04) [18] 75 pts - Halinn
05) [16] 71 pts - SenorClown
06) [06] 66 pts - magicianofthought
[11] 66 pts - Chimapnzee
[15] 66 pts - Mogg
09) [07] 63 pts - Shadowlord
10) [05] 60 pts - chaosjuggler
11) [08] 56 pts - Beaker
[21] 56 pts - SumPhatGuy
13) [03] 49 pts - SorryGuy
14) [19] 48 pts - Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
15) [14] 46 pts - WhammWhamme
16) [04] 43 pts - serge
17) [09] 39 pts - Solarion
18) [02] 29 pts - Immars
19) [01] 23 pts - Wrath_of_DoG
20) [10] 20 pts - Nai
21) [12] 16 pts - Feyd_Ruin
Some short commentary:
The deck to beat this week was Lightning Helix/Isochron Scepter, even if it didn't catch first place. Surprisingly, I was fairly accurate with my predictions for the metagame based on the information I gleaned from last week's results. I'm currently finishing a metagaming piece from last weeks data, detailing my expected results of last week's metagame. Call it a article on metagaming that loses a degree of freedom for being smashed into the 3CB curve (mad props if you get what I'm talking about). Hopefully, it'll be out soon.
My analysis of the metagame relied on people to incorporate a little more artifact/enchant hate in their builds for me to win, but a majority of the players metagamed specifically against The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale instead of the Eladamri's Vineyard. Boo at my oversight in that regard.
Props go out to Feyd_Ruin who played a deck to specifically hate out all the people playing Abandon Hope. Unfortunately, there were none. Luckily, no one will have to take one for the team again this week like he did, since Abandon Hope is going back into the banned list for next round. You had your chance and missed it!
Please, check your results. It's been a long night, I'm sure I've missed something
The new thread will be up tomorrow afternoon.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
..which is actually a good thing since it means no one played the deck that was obviously unfair. Hooray decency!
Correction:
#12 - Feyd_Ruin
I'm taking one for the team, guys.
Vine Dryad, Nourishing Shoal, Leyline of the Void
#3 - SorryGuy
Why Stray?
Mishra's Workshop, Ensnaring Bridge, Scalding Tongs
Current: 6/0 (Feyd winning)
Suggested: 0/6 (SorryGuy winning)
I can't attack through the bridge, and the tongs kill me.
No longer staff here.
#13 - MrCowFart
No Name
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate
VS.
#20 - Death_By_Beebles
Metagamed the Metagame
Black Lotus
Aura of Silence
Treasure Hunter
Current: 0/6 (DBB winning)
Suggested: 2/2 (both games tied)
I play out my cards and vindicate your treasure hunter. If i activate mishra it gets killed
#13 - MrCowFart
No Name
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate
VS.
#21 - SumPhatGuy
ExperimentingWithoutTesting=lose.dec
Black Lotus
Smallpox
Big Game Hunter
Current: 0/6 (SPG winning)
Suggested: 2/2 (both games tied)
If I dont play out my cards he cant win. If he plays smallpox i discard vindicate and outrace him with my factory so we both dont play anything and we tie.
The first game is a typo. Right now, it stands that you have 0 and I have 2 points.
The second is a mistake on my part. Thanks for pointing these out.