This is the results for round 3.20 and the start for round 3.21
I'm a little frustrated with myself for not specifying that Lotus doesn't count towards the 3 requirements. I realized too late that it should have. As it was, it wasn't really much of a special week at all. Still, a nice assortment of ideas, even if the great bulk of them were Lotus-based.
TANE :: TANE's deck of shoehorning a card to fit the rules without actually making his deck use it Black Lotus / Black Lotus / Channel / Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre / Anurid Scavenger Alright, you've convinced me. Channel's getting banned starting after next week (this next week is still a specialty). The fact that you can just play around a specialty week by adding a mostly irrelevant card to your deck and still do this well kinda ticks me off.
Heart of Draco :: Sir Hoping Channel Will No Longer Be Appearing in this film. Black Lotus / Channel / Lich's Mirror / Chalice of the Void / Rakdos Augermage Definitely not the best build here. I'm still at a loss for why people play this tactic, it seems awful to me to play a deck that's guaranteed to place in the middle of the pack.
Feyd_Ruin :: Big Blue Commandeer / Guile / Frost Titan / Vendilion Clique / Saprazzan Cove Very nice look at the meta. Commandeer was the perfect choice. I just wish you'd had a 5 drop or less that could race to prevent splitting with all the Scavengers.
XScorpion :: XScorpion's deck of being as predictable as possible Black Lotus / Anurid Scavenger / Foil / Island / Misguided Rage The idea is if you find an obvious deck, you don't submit it, you submit a deck to beat it. This is the perfect example of a deck that just becomes completely subpar when people are expecting it.
Personman :: Personman's deck of wanting to be a Foil deck without playing Foil Leyline of the Void / Black Lotus / Anurid Scavenger / Karakas / Orim's Chant Chant is fun, and it has nice synergy with Scavenger, so you actually placed higher than the Scavenger/Foil decks. Nice tech.
Next week will be a specialty week again, and we're going to have it be Rule of Law week, as was suggested a few threads back. Decks may not play more than one spell per turn.
Decklists are due Sept 25th at 10pm EST.
Basic 5CB Rules
0. Overview
Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the rules of Magic.
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
1.5. Each player plays two games (one match) against each other player.
1.5a. Each player is the starting player once per match.
1.5b. If no player can win, the game is a draw.
1.5c. Games are played with perfect information.
1.5d. Games are played optimally; players attempt to win, draw, or extend the game – in that order.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator.
2.1a. A player may submit multiple decks, but only the most recent deck is counted.
2.1b. An illegal deck is not counted. The removal of an illegal deck does not affect deck distribution (see Rule 2.4).
2.1c. The moderator determines the result of each match. Players may challenge results, but not after the results of the first round belonging to a new month have been posted (see Rule 2.5a).
2.1d. A player may name his or her deck. If a player does not, then the moderator may name it.
2.2. Decks are subject to some restrictions.
2.2a. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's second turn.
2.2b. A player may not submit a deck that can't win both games of a match against at least one deck satisfying 2.2a and 2.2c.
2.2c. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
2.2d. A deck may include any number of any card that will become legal in Vintage upon release of a set that has been revealed fully and officially since the start of the round.
2.3. Points determine tournament standings.
2.3a. Players are ranked – first to last – in order of decreasing number of points.
2.3b. For each match, a player earns 3 points per game win and 1 point per drawn game. However, a player earns only 2 points for a split match (one win, one loss).
2.3c. A table of match results is posted each round. Its rows represent players and its columns represent opponents. Match results reflect the combined result of both games played in a match; 3 is a game win, 1 a drawn game, and 0 a game loss. 2 or S may be used instead of 3 to denote a split match. A player's points are listed at the end of his or her row.
2.4. In rounds of twenty or more players, the moderator may choose to divide players randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down).
For example, twenty-five players are divided into heats of twelve and thirteen.
2.4a. Except in the finals, a player only plays against players in his or her heat.
2.4b. The top four players of each heat advance to the finals, where they play again (with the same decks).
2.4c. Tiebreakers for advancement to the finals are as follows: number of matches in which a player wins both games, number of game wins, points scored against higher-scoring decks. If a tie is unresolved, the tied decks advance.
2.5. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month is the Player of the Month.
2.5a. A month includes all rounds for which decks are due during that month.
2.5b. Each round, each player receives POTM points equal to his or her average match result for that round, rounded down to 1 decimal place. For example, a player scoring 6-6-6-6-X-0-0-0 in a round with 8 decks receives 3.4 points (24/7).
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
They always have to get through Chant, and Foil doesn't come back. If they cast Crack the Earth/Misguided Rage, I sac Karakas and it's no big deal.
I think I 6-0 TANE too -- if he drops T1 Ulamog, I just bounce it and he can't recast it ever. If he doesn't, it's just like he's on the draw.
However, Feyd_Ruin can 4-1 me (and probably all the other scavenger decks) by using his big guys for commandeer and dropping out Clique to trade with Scavenger when he's on the draw.
I made a scavenger deck first, but wanted to build with Channel every week until it got banned once I saw how unfun it was making things. Now I can show off my silly channel deck...
If it goes off, it can't possibly lose. It even bans lands! I also love the idea of winning with just an Inkmoth Nexus, and the only way I can activate it to swing is Black Lotus, a one shot. Makes me happy.
TANE :: TANE's deck of shoehorning a card to fit the rules without actually making his deck use it Black Lotus / Black Lotus / Channel / Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre / Anurid Scavenger Alright, you've convinced me. Channel's getting banned starting after next week (this next week is still a specialty). The fact that you can just play around a specialty week by adding a mostly irrelevant card to your deck and still do this well kinda ticks me off.
I think I 6-0 TANE too -- if he drops T1 Ulamog, I just bounce it and he can't recast it ever. If he doesn't, it's just like he's on the draw.
i just play Anurid Scavenger on the play and we draw
EDIT 2 nevermind that doesn't work, you're right
edit: don't I 6-0 Feyd? he has to Commandeer either Black Lotus or Channel to stop me from getting out Ulamog and winning; the former does nothing useful because I have two, and if the latter then I can play Anurid Scavenger off the second Lotus and recast Channel a few turns later.
They always have to get through Chant, and Foil doesn't come back.
you need to chant to protect your lotus from foil, that means The other player gets a chance to cast Anurid, or they could just foil the chant in order to play Anurid. Point is you end up with two 3/3s facing each other, you can't stop an Anurid in play.
you need to chant to protect your lotus from foil, that means The other player gets a chance to cast Anurid, or they could just foil the chant in order to play Anurid. Point is you end up with two 3/3s facing each other, you can't stop an Anurid in play.
Yes I can, that's what Leyline of the Void is for.
I was going back and forth between Dominus of Fealty and Frost Titan. Dominus would have won me the round. Oh well. Hindsight and all. Didn't see a huge Scavenger turnout coming.
Glad to see Channel finally getting the axe. Remember that if things don't get better, we can always pull it back off and just nab Ulamog, etc.
Rule of Law Week will be interesting.
To go for broke, or to stop the broke.. that is the question.
I made a scavenger deck first, but wanted to build with Channel every week until it got banned once I saw how unfun it was making things.
This attitude bewilders me. Channel/Mirror may not be a fun deck to have in the meta, but it's also an extremely mediocre deck in the meta. Playing it to prove a point about how unfun you can make things is not helpful to anyone. Channelmog is much more of a problem, balance-wise, and if it weren't for the constant complaining about Channel/Mirror, I'd just ban Ulamog and have done.
Thanks to your, and others', insistence on playing to make the game unfun instead of playing to win, you've forced me to slash out an entire category of perfectly fair and interesting decks for the sake of dealing with one unfortunate engine.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
What bewilders *me* is your insistence that Lich's Mirror is bad. I haven't been around for a while, but it's historically been quite strong (and, IMO, really cool), and I don't really see what has changed. Of course it's not invincible, and I guess it has failed to perform well recently, but I don't see why it isn't a viable archetype.
Personally, I think the game could be fine with both Channel and Ulamog, but if people don't like them, I have no problem with Channel getting banned.
There is a certain blue creature in Innistrad that I think you'd want to ban right away. I won't spoil it even though the entire set has been spoiled, but yeah.
Thanks to your, and others', insistence on playing to make the game unfun instead of playing to win, you've forced me to slash out an entire category of perfectly fair and interesting decks for the sake of dealing with one unfortunate engine.
Don't be presumptuous. I play Channel-Mirror because it's good, and for no other reason.
The last build I submitted took second place in a round that revolved around playing or beating Channel. If I had submitted it the previous round, then it would have won. The Mirror build that I actually submitted for that round took second place. If either of my builds had been submitted as an eighth deck in round 9 - the first of the three normal rounds since the release of Chancellor - then it would have scored 32 points, one point less than the 33 that the winning deck would have scored. Feyd_Ruin has already elaborated on Channel-Mirror's performance in special rounds.
Chancellor and Ulamog have improved Channel-Mirror. Chancellor is prevalent and is a countermeasure to Foil and Thoughtseize. Mirror loses to Foil but beats Chancellor, and it can play Chancellor where previously it couldn't fit disruption. Channel-Ulamog is resilient to Foil and Thoughtseize, but it is very beatable by decks that go over the top, like Mirror.
I really like the attitude in this thread. It feels really edgy in here.
Hey, I won too ;__;
..and I'm really happy about it, I think it's only my third win ever. Finally gettin' the hang of it after all these years
As for the attitude, maybe this will take the edge off ^__^
EDIT: Also, Puddlejumper, could you post when you make corrections? I'm curious which of TANE's matches changed to tie him with me, would be nice if I didn't have to check all of them. And in general, letting us know what's changing and why helps with keeping everyone on the same page, and thus with getting accurate results quickly.
EDIT: Also, Puddlejumper, could you post when you make corrections? I'm curious which of TANE's matches changed to tie him with me, would be nice if I didn't have to check all of them. And in general, letting us know what's changing and why helps with keeping everyone on the same page, and thus with getting accurate results quickly.
my matchup against Feyd_Ruin changed from 1-4 to 6-0, and my matchup against you changed from whatever it was (I think 1-4) to 0-6. that should be all, since no other matchups were mentioned
I played the channel deck in an attempt to win, but in such a way as would demonstrate the irritation Channel is to the format. My attempt this week just failed. I previously did well in multiple weeks with that style, mostly losing to Mogg's better understanding on how to build that particular deck. It's one thing to have to include a land to play around Annex, it's another to have to build your deck against beating Channel-Mirror. But I suppose I don't actually need to keep arguing...I suppose it makes me look a little silly.
Also, Re: Catmurderer and Personman's consecutive posts- I love these for totally different reasons. Way to lighten the mood.
Oh, crap, you're right. Forgot about Leyline sitting out there alone when I'm on the draw. Luckily XScorpion can't cast Misguided Rage without Lotus, so I still get that one.
I'm also maybe missing something about Feyd_Ruin vs. TANE. It seems like if TANE ever tries Ulamog, it gets Commandeered and he loses, and if he just sticks to Anurid, it gets blocked by Clique. Seems like 2-2, which would give the round back to Feyd.
EDIT: Wait a sec. I can maybe cast Leyline later:
Error1 on the play:
T1: Lotus, Anurid
T1: Land, Chant, no reason to Foil, Lotus, Anurid
T2: Land and Crack. I sac Karakas, you sac VI. Your plan is to keep me off both mana sources if possible. Swing with Anurid.
T2: 17. Get back Lotus and play it. Can't foil since VI in grave. Swing.
T3: 17. Couldn't cast Crack, so get back VI for foil. However, you have no other card in hand. Swing.
T4: 14. Get back Karakas and cast Leyline. Your Scavenger dies in two turns, so I win.
You could also try not Cracking, and keeping Foil for Leyline.
T2: Swing.
T2: 17. Get back Lotus, cast Leyline. You Foil. Swing.
T3: 17. Get back VI. Swing.
T3: 14. Get back Lotus. Swing.
T4: 14. Get back Foil. Swing.
T4: 11. Get back Leyline. Cast it. You don't have an extra card for Foil, since Crack is still in grave. Your Scavenger dies in two turns, when I'm at 5, and I win.
Life has taught me that one should never be a douche about pointing out obvious mistakes. One could explain someone's mistake to them and turn around and make the same mistake in about 3 hours, 5 minutes.
Obvious is only obvious to those who have the info.
Life has taught me that one should never be a douche about pointing out obvious mistakes. One could explain someone's mistake to them and turn around and make the same mistake in about 3 hours, 5 minutes.
Obvious is only obvious to those who have the info.
Oh, totally. I make mistakes like this ALL THE TIME (in fact, I'm pretty sure I've publicly made this mistake about Commandeer at least twice before :P). I really was trying not to come off as a jerk to Error1, which was why I included a winky face.
Calculating XCB results is hard, and we're all in this together. From his reply, it seems like Error1 didn't take offense, but I see how my post could be seen in a negative light. So, sorry!
This is the results for round 3.20 and the start for round 3.21
I'm a little frustrated with myself for not specifying that Lotus doesn't count towards the 3 requirements. I realized too late that it should have. As it was, it wasn't really much of a special week at all. Still, a nice assortment of ideas, even if the great bulk of them were Lotus-based.
Round 3.20
This round was 3 3's week.
EntriesThe Grid
Congrats to TANE for winning 5CB 3.20!
Next week will be a specialty week again, and we're going to have it be Rule of Law week, as was suggested a few threads back. Decks may not play more than one spell per turn.
Decklists are due Sept 25th at 10pm EST.
They always have to get through Chant, and Foil doesn't come back. If they cast Crack the Earth/Misguided Rage, I sac Karakas and it's no big deal.
I think I 6-0 TANE too -- if he drops T1 Ulamog, I just bounce it and he can't recast it ever. If he doesn't, it's just like he's on the draw.
However, Feyd_Ruin can 4-1 me (and probably all the other scavenger decks) by using his big guys for commandeer and dropping out Clique to trade with Scavenger when he's on the draw.
I made a scavenger deck first, but wanted to build with Channel every week until it got banned once I saw how unfun it was making things. Now I can show off my silly channel deck...
Black Lotus
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Conjurer's Ban
Inkmoth Nexus
If it goes off, it can't possibly lose. It even bans lands! I also love the idea of winning with just an Inkmoth Nexus, and the only way I can activate it to swing is Black Lotus, a one shot. Makes me happy.
mission accomplished
i just play Anurid Scavenger on the play and we draw
EDIT 2 nevermind that doesn't work, you're right
edit: don't I 6-0 Feyd? he has to Commandeer either Black Lotus or Channel to stop me from getting out Ulamog and winning; the former does nothing useful because I have two, and if the latter then I can play Anurid Scavenger off the second Lotus and recast Channel a few turns later.
you need to chant to protect your lotus from foil, that means The other player gets a chance to cast Anurid, or they could just foil the chant in order to play Anurid. Point is you end up with two 3/3s facing each other, you can't stop an Anurid in play.
Yes I can, that's what Leyline of the Void is for.
Glad to see Channel finally getting the axe. Remember that if things don't get better, we can always pull it back off and just nab Ulamog, etc.
Rule of Law Week will be interesting.
To go for broke, or to stop the broke.. that is the question.
No longer staff here.
Maybe you should try reading Anurid Scavenger ;-)
This attitude bewilders me. Channel/Mirror may not be a fun deck to have in the meta, but it's also an extremely mediocre deck in the meta. Playing it to prove a point about how unfun you can make things is not helpful to anyone. Channelmog is much more of a problem, balance-wise, and if it weren't for the constant complaining about Channel/Mirror, I'd just ban Ulamog and have done.
Thanks to your, and others', insistence on playing to make the game unfun instead of playing to win, you've forced me to slash out an entire category of perfectly fair and interesting decks for the sake of dealing with one unfortunate engine.
Personally, I think the game could be fine with both Channel and Ulamog, but if people don't like them, I have no problem with Channel getting banned.
Don't be presumptuous. I play Channel-Mirror because it's good, and for no other reason.
The last build I submitted took second place in a round that revolved around playing or beating Channel. If I had submitted it the previous round, then it would have won. The Mirror build that I actually submitted for that round took second place. If either of my builds had been submitted as an eighth deck in round 9 - the first of the three normal rounds since the release of Chancellor - then it would have scored 32 points, one point less than the 33 that the winning deck would have scored. Feyd_Ruin has already elaborated on Channel-Mirror's performance in special rounds.
Chancellor and Ulamog have improved Channel-Mirror. Chancellor is prevalent and is a countermeasure to Foil and Thoughtseize. Mirror loses to Foil but beats Chancellor, and it can play Chancellor where previously it couldn't fit disruption. Channel-Ulamog is resilient to Foil and Thoughtseize, but it is very beatable by decks that go over the top, like Mirror.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
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I really like the attitude in this thread. It feels really edgy in here.
Hey, I won too ;__;
..and I'm really happy about it, I think it's only my third win ever. Finally gettin' the hang of it after all these years
As for the attitude, maybe this will take the edge off ^__^
EDIT: Also, Puddlejumper, could you post when you make corrections? I'm curious which of TANE's matches changed to tie him with me, would be nice if I didn't have to check all of them. And in general, letting us know what's changing and why helps with keeping everyone on the same page, and thus with getting accurate results quickly.
my matchup against Feyd_Ruin changed from 1-4 to 6-0, and my matchup against you changed from whatever it was (I think 1-4) to 0-6. that should be all, since no other matchups were mentioned
Also, Re: Catmurderer and Personman's consecutive posts- I love these for totally different reasons. Way to lighten the mood.
ok yeah that makes sense, still not a 6-0 vs me beacuse I can kill Leyline of the Void on my first turn
1. sac land and kill leyline, Anurid
1. Anurid
2. return land attack for 3
2. return leyline
3. return Crack the Earth attack for 3 d=6
3. return lotus, play leyline, foil leyline
4. return and sac lotus, attack for 3 d=9
4. return leyline
5. return lotus, chant d=12
5. return lotus, leyline
6. return land d=15
7. return foil d=18
8. return crack d=21
you would need to block to avoid dieing
I'm also maybe missing something about Feyd_Ruin vs. TANE. It seems like if TANE ever tries Ulamog, it gets Commandeered and he loses, and if he just sticks to Anurid, it gets blocked by Clique. Seems like 2-2, which would give the round back to Feyd.
EDIT: Wait a sec. I can maybe cast Leyline later:
Error1 on the play:
T1: Lotus, Anurid
T1: Land, Chant, no reason to Foil, Lotus, Anurid
T2: Land and Crack. I sac Karakas, you sac VI. Your plan is to keep me off both mana sources if possible. Swing with Anurid.
T2: 17. Get back Lotus and play it. Can't foil since VI in grave. Swing.
T3: 17. Couldn't cast Crack, so get back VI for foil. However, you have no other card in hand. Swing.
T4: 14. Get back Karakas and cast Leyline. Your Scavenger dies in two turns, so I win.
You could also try not Cracking, and keeping Foil for Leyline.
T2: Swing.
T2: 17. Get back Lotus, cast Leyline. You Foil. Swing.
T3: 17. Get back VI. Swing.
T3: 14. Get back Lotus. Swing.
T4: 14. Get back Foil. Swing.
T4: 11. Get back Leyline. Cast it. You don't have an extra card for Foil, since Crack is still in grave. Your Scavenger dies in two turns, when I'm at 5, and I win.
Phew! Complicated one!
Guys. If this thread has taught us one thing.
READING IS TECH.
Obvious is only obvious to those who have the info.
Oh, totally. I make mistakes like this ALL THE TIME (in fact, I'm pretty sure I've publicly made this mistake about Commandeer at least twice before :P). I really was trying not to come off as a jerk to Error1, which was why I included a winky face.
Calculating XCB results is hard, and we're all in this together. From his reply, it seems like Error1 didn't take offense, but I see how my post could be seen in a negative light. So, sorry!