(And yes, that word does mean what I think it means...)
So there I was, processing results like a good little Moderator, when I began to notice a trend. At the end of each row was a little zero. Five wins in a row for one deck is pretty amazing. Then five became six. Then seven! Not unheard of in special weeks, but this was a Normal week. Suddenly I was on the edge of my seat. Eight wins! Insane! NINE wins!
Then the inconveivable happened. One of the worst decks in the field managed to draw against the unstoppable deck. Then, as though its momentum had been lost, it drew its last match too. But it didn't even matter by that point. There was just a smoking crater where the round had been.
Last week I talked about metagaming, but maybe you just thought it was all too random and that I was just bigging up the round? You cynic. Well, try to brush this one off! These aren't the biggest rounds 5CB has ever seen, but they might well be the best. Whoever takes PotM this month will really have earned it!
This will be the last 5CB I moderate for some time. My intention was to support the transition from Mogg's moderatorship to whoever took over. Since we got no volunteers at all last week it's clear to me that this isn't just a temporary transition phase after all. I expect that after modding next week ced395 will turn over some or all of the rounds to community moderation. Hopefully that won't be as bad as I'm expecting!
Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the rules of Magic.
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator.
2.1a. The moderator acknowledges submissions and reports problems in a timely manner.
2.1b. A player may submit multiple decks, but only the most recent is counted.
2.1c. An illegal deck is not counted. The removal of an illegal deck from a posted heat does not cause further changes to deck distribution (see Rule 2.5).
2.2. Decks are subject to some restrictions.
2.2a. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's second turn.
For example, Cabal Therapy / Scalding Tongs / Swamp x3 is illegal because an opponent's deck may have duplicates of a card, but Cabal Therapy / Scalding Tongs / Subterranean Hangar x3 is legal because Cabal Therapy can't be played until the third turn.
2.2b. A player may not submit a deck that can't win against any deck.
2.2c. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
2.3. Each player plays two games (one match) against each other player.
2.3a. Each player is the starting player once per match.
2.3b. If no player can win, the game is a draw.
2.3c. A player that can't win or draw plays to extend the game.
2.3d. Results assume optimal play and perfect information.
2.4. Points determine tournament standings.
2.4a. Players are ranked – first to last – in order of decreasing number of points.
2.4b. For each match, a player earns 3 points per game win and 1 point per drawn game. However, a player earns only 2 points for a split match (one win, one loss).
2.4c. A table of match results is posted each round. Its rows represent players and its columns represent opponents. Match results reflect the combined result of both games played in a match; 3 is a game win, 1 a drawn game, and 0 a game loss. A player's points are listed at the end of his or her row.
2.5. In rounds of twenty or more players, players are divided randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down).
For example, twenty-five players are divided into heats of twelve and thirteen.
2.5a. A player only plays against players in his heat.
2.5b. The top four players of each heat advance to the finals, where they play again (with the same decks).
2.5c. Tiebreakers for heats are as follows: number of matches in which a player wins both games, number of game wins, points scored against higher-scoring decks. If a tie is unresolved, both tied decks advance.
2.6. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month is the Player of the Month.
2.6a. A month includes all rounds for which decks are due during that month.
2.6b. The top eight players of rounds of less than twenty players and all players in the finals of rounds of twenty or more players earn POTM points according to their rank; The player with the highest score earns 1 POTM point for each player in the finals, and each subsequent player earns one point less than the previous player. Tied players earn equal points but are counted as separate players when calculating the points of other players.
2.6c. Tiebreakers for top eight are as follows: number of matches in which a player wins both games, number of game wins, points scored against higher-scoring decks. If a tie is unresolved, both tied decks are counted.
If you would cast an Instant or Sorcery spell, cast that spell and copy that spell instead. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Deck Submission Deadline:
Friday, February 19th, 2:00 pm PST.
Submit your deck to ced395.
Please use this thread to discuss any aspect of 5CB. Also, consider a subscription to 5CB. Subscribed players who have not already submitted a deck receive a reminder PM about two days before deadline. PM bateleur, ced395 or Mogg to subscribe.
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7) ced395 - Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Coercion, Rakdos the Defiler
v.
12) Madmanquail - Commandeer / Energy Field / Sapprazan Cove / Palinchron / Wipe Away
How does Ced lose here?
If ced leads with lotus, lotus Rakdos, Rakdos kills MMQ before he can get energy field online (the cove can never become active before dying).
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
How does MMQ win? If he commandeers a lotus, he forces a draw (Mesmeric fiend steals his w/c, and he can't wipe away and use his w/c with commandeer.)
If Viking goes lotus lotus, fiend (stealing energy field), empty the warrens, he can kill MMQ before MMQ ever gets to play his creature (nad has nothing to commandier.
Remember, commandier can't steal the fiend...
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I also 2-2 MMQ, because he must Commandeer a Lotus. Then I Coercion his Palinchron.
Ah, yes. I was thinking you couldn't cast Coercion because he'd Commandeer it, but of course so long as you cast Lotus, Lotus, Lotus first he has to Commandeer the third one, leaving you clear to Coercion him.
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Do I choose the order in which the original and copy resolve?
Edit: I realized the answer. Since you can only copy a spell that's already on the stack, the copy must be added second and resolve first. If the order were switched, though, I had a pretty amazing deck lined up.
1) It can dodge a removal spell by getting to 15 counters on the storage land, playing it floating 4 mana, and then untapping the storage land (so you can still bounce it if they play the removal spell once your pool empties).
2) It has very slow vigilance, so it can beat them to death while remaining as a blocker (swing, bounce, replay)
3) It flies, so it can go over ground-pounders.
Since you can only copy a spell that's already on the stack, the copy must be added second and resolve first.
Correct.
If the order were switched, though, I had a pretty amazing deck lined up.
I hope you're going to tell us what it was at some later point!
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0. Foil a spell (discard Island and Progenitus).
1. Play Lotus and Regrowth. Regrowth returns Lotus, and the Regrowth copy returns Regrowth. Loop for mana to play Progenitus. End the turn with Progenitus, Black Lotus, and Island in play, and Regrowth and Foil in hand.
2. Foil a spell.
3. Win.
I originally had Forgotten Lore instead of Regrowth (and Tropical Island, of course) – to allow further recursion on later turns. Unfortunately, that doesn't work if I Foil before my first turn (Lore returns everything but Lore).
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Which, given that the original post describes the rules of the special week - and given that it answers whether Fork is a necessary deck inclusion -, seemed sufficient. I.e., a general question gets a general answer.
It sounds like you've worked it out for yourself, but just to clarify: The names of special weeks are purely cosmetic. The rules for the week are always given explicitly, so you never need any special knowledge not given in the thread in order to enter.
Also: Welcome to 5CB!
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So there I was, processing results like a good little Moderator, when I began to notice a trend. At the end of each row was a little zero. Five wins in a row for one deck is pretty amazing. Then five became six. Then seven! Not unheard of in special weeks, but this was a Normal week. Suddenly I was on the edge of my seat. Eight wins! Insane! NINE wins!
Then the inconveivable happened. One of the worst decks in the field managed to draw against the unstoppable deck. Then, as though its momentum had been lost, it drew its last match too. But it didn't even matter by that point. There was just a smoking crater where the round had been.
Last week I talked about metagaming, but maybe you just thought it was all too random and that I was just bigging up the round? You cynic. Well, try to brush this one off! These aren't the biggest rounds 5CB has ever seen, but they might well be the best. Whoever takes PotM this month will really have earned it!
This will be the last 5CB I moderate for some time. My intention was to support the transition from Mogg's moderatorship to whoever took over. Since we got no volunteers at all last week it's clear to me that this isn't just a temporary transition phase after all. I expect that after modding next week ced395 will turn over some or all of the rounds to community moderation. Hopefully that won't be as bad as I'm expecting!
Results
Format: Normal
1) bateleur - Mishra's Workshop / Sol Ring / Smokestack / Eater of Days / Chalice of the Void
The only-one-threat problem limits how good this build can be. Still, not awful.
2) ~Tilde~ - Mishra's Factory / Mox Jet / Thoughtseize / Nezumi Shortfang / Leyline of the Void
If you cannot resolve Mox Jet you cannot do anything at all. That's bad and really limits the power of your manland.
3) Octosquid - Foil / Black Lotus / Mesmeric Fiend / Underground Sea / Glowrider
I'm on record as saying some pretty negative things about the viability of Foil decks, but your build is good, your metagame timing was good and you were stupidly lucky in encountering no proper manlands at all! Good finish!
4) Hinotama - Lodestone Golem / Sol Ring / Mishra's Workshop / Smokestack / Chalice of the Void
I'm not convinced by Chalice and Golem in the same deck since their functions overlap too much. Your deck just seems like an inferior version of mine. Well, I say inferior, but actually we scored the same. Nonetheless, Golem may find a home elsewhere.
5) Lortian - City of Traitors / Isochron Scepter / Peace Talks / Black Lotus / Vendilion Clique
I see what you were going for here, but if I were to describe your deck's capacity to win as "a lone X/1 creature cast with a Lotus" I think it's clear what the problem is.
6) Niv - Black Lotus / Mishra's Workshop / Smokestack / Bitterblossom / Crucible of Worlds
Don't be fooled by your low score - this was almost good. It was the Crucible which let you down. Either you have Bitterblossom tokens to sac or you're already losing, so Crucible isn't much help.
7) ced395 - Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Coercion, Rakdos the Defiler
Like an aging rock star staging a comeback tour, this was exactly what I expected and not all that good. The only surprise was that the round was so low scoring that you scraped into the T8.
8) lOput - Black Lotus / World Queller / City of Traitors / Mox Pearl / Orim's Chant
World Queller was the best innovation of the round, but the rest of the deck let it down badly. I doubt we've seen the last of Queller in 5CB.
9) VikingMetal4L - Black Lotus / Black Lotus / Empty the Warrens / Mesmeric Fiend / Yawgmoth's Will
Your attempt to hold on to the PotM lead failed. Not much more to say about this deck!
10) bmh - Argothian Elder / Black Lotus / Forest / Helix Pinnacle / Maze of Ith
I'd love to know what you tested this against. Honestly, it looks like an attempt to combine the vulnerabilities of a range of tier one decks into a perfect storm of fail. The fine line between innovation and comedy cannot be far away!
11) FuriouslySleepingIdea - Karakas / Lion's Eye Diamond / Gibbering Descent / Leyline of Singularity / Nether Spirit
A lone Mishra's Factory can hold you off and you take splash damage from Lotus hate... which should be terrible, but there was only one Factory! Amazingly high finish, good work!
12) Madmanquail - Commandeer / Energy Field / Sapprazan Cove / Palinchron / Wipe Away
My hat's off to you sir. Ownership of the round is yours!
-X| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2
01| X 3 1 3 6 3 3 4 3 6 3 0 29
02| 3 X 0 3 6 3 1 3 3 6 4 0 27
03| 4 6 X 4 4 6 3 3 3 2 2 0 34
04| 3 3 1 X 6 3 3 4 3 6 3 0 29
05| 0 0 1 0 X 0 1 0 3 0 0 0 4
06| 3 3 0 3 6 X 3 0 0 6 2 0 22
07| 3 4 3 3 4 3 X 3 3 4 3 0 26
08| 1 3 3 1 6 6 3 X 0 6 0 0 26
09| 3 3 3 3 3 6 3 6 X 6 1 0 31
10| 0 0 2 0 6 0 1 0 0 X 0 2 11
11| 3 1 2 3 6 2 3 6 4 6 X 2 35
12| 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 2 2 X 49
1 Madmanquail (12): 49
2 FuriouslySleepingIdea (11): 35
3 Octosquid (3): 34
4 VikingMetal4L (9): 31
5 bateleur (1): 29
5 Hinotama (4): 29
7 ~Tilde~ (2): 27
8 ced395 (7): 26
8 lOput (8): 26
Madmanquail wins 5CB #120!
Player of the Month February
1 Madmanquail : 14
2 VikingMetal4L : 13
3 bateleur : 11
4 FuriouslySleepingIdea: 7
5 ced395 : 6
6 Octosquid: 6
7 Blue_fever : 4
8 jordman : 3
9 Starkiller2 : 2
10 Hinotama: 2
11 bmh : 1
12 lOput: 1
0. Overview
Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the rules of Magic.
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator.
2.2. Decks are subject to some restrictions.
2.3. Each player plays two games (one match) against each other player.
2.4. Points determine tournament standings.
2.5. In rounds of twenty or more players, players are divided randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down).
2.6. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month is the Player of the Month.
Season 1
March 2005
Round 1 r_x, Greebo, zorbop
Round 2 Ankh-Morpokian
Round 3 Greebo
Round 4 Chimpanzee
POTM: Greebo
April 2005
Round 5 help im a bug, Draco9_1_1 (Only Creatures)
Round 6 Greebo (Only Creatures)
Round 7 spuzzem king
Round 8 bateleur
POTM: spuzzem king
May 2005
Round 9 Feyd_Ruin (Only Multicolor)
Round 10 jcsuperstar (Only Multicolor)
Round 11 Lone Warrior
Round 12 Wanderer359
POTM: WhammWhamme
June 2005
Round 13 Silver Seraph, Greebo (Titania's Song)
Round 14 WhammWhamme (Titania's Song)
Round 15 Tahn (Artist Tribute)
Round 16 Lone Warrior (Artist Tribute)
POTM: bateleur, Greebo
July 2005
Round 17 Shadowlord
Round 18 bateleur
Round 19 Shadowlord (Pay 19: Add 1)
Round 20 Greebo (Pay 19: Add 1)
POTM: Shadowlord
August 2005
Round 21 Greebo
Round 22 Greebo
Round 23 spuzzem king (One-Million Life)
Round 24 WhammWhamme (One-Million Life)
POTM: Greebo
September 2005
Round 25 Chimpanzee, Shadowlord
Round 26 dasheiff
Round 27 Chimpanzee (Orrery)
Round 28 Halinn (Orrery)
POTM: jcsuperstar
October 2005
Round 29 Beaker
Round 30 Feuerdrache, Wanderer359
Round 31 r_x (Dream Halls)
Round 32 Puzzle (Dream Halls)
POTM: Chimpanzee
November 2005
Round 33 bateleur
Round 34 Shadowlord
Round 35 jcsuperstar (Backbuild)
Round 36 jcsuperstar (Backbuild)
POTM: bateleur
December 2005
Round 37 bateleur
Round 38 Wanderer359
Round 39 WhammWhamme (Ban a Card)
Round 40 dasheiff, Lone Warrior (Ban a Card)
POTM: Beaker
January 2006
Round 41 Lone Warrior
Round 42 Silver Seraph
Round 43 Trojan (1984)
Round 44 Beaker (1984)
POTM: Lone Warrior
February 2006
Round 45 bateleur
Round 46 Halinn
Round 47 bateleur (7 Life)
Round 48 Chimpanzee (7 Life)
POTM: bateleur
March 2006
Round 49 armlx
Round 50 bateleur
Round 51 armlx (Leyline)
Round 52 Chimpanzee, Greebo (Leyline)
POTM: armlx
April 2006
Round 53 jcsuperstar
Round 54 armlx
Round 55 bateleur (Epic)
Round 56 Xyre (Epic)
POTM: jcsuperstar
May 2006
Round 57 jcsuperstar
Round 58 Pingele_Pats (Banathon)
Round 59 Amadi (Banathon)
Round 60 Solitaire (Banathon)
POTM: Pingele_Pats
June 2006
Round 61 Farik (One-Million Life)
Round 62 Wrath_of_Dog, zu_Faul (Leyline)
Round 63 Beaker (7 Life)
POTM: silicon
July 2006
Round 64 Pingele_Pats (Multi-Set)
Round 65 WhammWhamme, zu_Faul (Extended)
POTM: None
September 2007
Round 1 (Introduction)
Round 2 andelijah
POTM: None
October 2007
Round 3 Mogg
Round 4 Chimpanzee (Lorwyn)
Round 5 Meat Popsicle (Repeat Letters)
Round 6 Mogg (10 Life)
POTM: Mogg
November 2007
Round 7 Death_By_Beebles
Round 8 jcsuperstar (Mindslaver)
Round 9 Mogg (Thanksgiving Special)
Round 10 Mogg (Thanksgiving Special, Part Two)
POTM: Mogg
December 2007
Round 11 carrion pigeons
Round 12 Mogg (Later Alphabet)
Round 13 Mogg (Backbuild)
Round 14 Xyre (Backbuild)
POTM: Mogg
January 2008
Round 15 armlx
Round 16 Chimpanzee (Auras)
Round 17 Mogg (Doubling Season)
Round 18 carrion pigeons, Chimpanzee (Doubling Season)
Round 19 WhammWhamme (31 Bans)
POTM: Mogg
February 2008
Round 20 Chimpanzee
Round 21 Mogg (Combat)
Round 22 Mogg (Combat)
Round 23 Knowledge
POTM: Mogg
March 2008
Round 24 Mogg (Consecutive Names)
Round 25 Chimpanzee (Consecutive Names)
Round 26 The Mad Tapper
Round 27 The Mad Tapper
POTM: The Mad Tapper
April 2008
Round 28 The Mad Tapper (DC5)
Round 29 jcsuperstar (DC5)
Round 30 jcsuperstar (< 20)
Round 31 bateleur
POTM: bateleur
May 2008
Round 32 WhammWhamme (Leyline)
Round 33 Silver Seraph (Mana Market)
Round 34 bateleur (Helm of Awakening and Mirari)
Round 35 Alfred (Pre-entered Decks)
POTM: bateleur
June 2008
Round 36 bateleur, YuanTi
Round 37 WhammWhamme (Favorite Colors)
Round 38 YuanTi (Lotus)
Round 39 Mogg (Mogg Week)
POTM: WhammWhamme
July 2008
Round 40 bateleur (Mulligans)
Round 41 Mogg
Round 42 Chimpanzee
Round 43 ced395 (Even)
POTM: Mogg
August 2008
Round 44 WhammWhamme (Odd)
Round 45 Farik (No Bans)
Round 46 Mogg
POTM: Error1
September 2008
Round 47 ghweiss (Low-Scoring)
Round 48 theeguy (Backbuild, Part Two)
Round 49 Mogg
Round 50 Mogg (50 Life)
Round 51 Error1 (Landline)
POTM: Mogg
October 2008
Round 52 Shogun17 (Exploration)
Round 53 MT_Gunn (Multicolor Discount)
Round 54 Silkenfist (2-2)
Round 55 bateleur, WhammWhamme
POTM: Error1
November 2008
Round 56 Error1 (Colorless Creatures)
Round 57 Knowledge, Silkenfist (Legendary Creatures)
POTM: None
December 2008
Round 58 (Introduction)
Round 59 Halinn
Round 60 Halinn
Round 61 ced395 (Christmas Special)
Round 62 MyNameIsFourteen (New Year's Special)
POTM: None
January 2009
Round 63 Mogg
Round 64 Mogg (Nemesis)
Round 65 MyNameIsFourteen (Nemesis)
Round 66 Mogg
POTM: Mogg
February 2009
Round 67 Chimpanzee
Round 68 MyNameIsFourteen (Lovely Letters)
Round 69 Naphtali (Lovely Letters, Part 2)
Round 70 bateleur
POTM: bateleur
March 2009
Round 71 ced395, Chimpanzee
Round 72 ced395 (Activated)
Round 73 WhammWhamme (Activated)
Round 74 bateleur
POTM: Chimpanzee
April 2009
Round 75 Xyre
Round 76 Mogg, ngollon (Landline-Orrery)
Round 77 Mogg (Landline-Orrery)
Round 78 Mogg
POTM: Mogg
May 2009
Round 79 bateleur
Round 80 ced395 (Upwelling)
Round 81 Mogg (Upwelling)
Round 82 Halinn
Round 83 r_x_
New Player Round math_geek
POTM: Mogg
June 2009
Round 84 Kekekekeke (Block Party)
Round 85 FuriouslySleepingIdea (Block Party)
Round 86 Mogg
Round 87 Farik
POTM: Mogg
July 2009
Round 88 bateleur, dethwing (Infinite Cards)
Round 89 Farik, lOput (Infinite Cards)
Round 90 Farik, Mogg, Personman
Round 91 Madmanquail
Round 92 bateleur (Backbuild, Part Three)
POTM: Madmanquail
August 2009
Round 93 DragonDart (Backbuild, Part Three)
Round 94 lOput
Round 95 domogrue
Round 96 Mogg (Dream Halls)
POTM: ced395
September 2009
Round 97 Mogg (Dream Halls)
Round 98 ced395
Round 99 FuriouslySleepingIdea
Round 100 bateleur, dethwing, FuriouslySleepingIdea, Krashbot, Shogun17, VikingMetal4L (100 Turns)
POTM: FuriouslySleepingIdea
October 2009
Round 101 Shogun17 (100 Turns Revised)
Round 102 Madmanquail
Round 103 bateleur, bman65, ced395
Round 104 (Results) VikingMetal4L
Round 105 SumPhatGuy (Strawman)
POTM: ced395
November 2009
Round 106 bman65 (Strawman)
Round 107 bateleur
Round 108 Madmanquail
Round 109 bman65 (Respray)
POTM: bman65
December 2009
Round 110 Xyre (Respray)
Round 111 ced395
Round 112 Personman
Round 113 Hinotama, WhammWhamme
POTM: bman65
January 2010
Round 114 Mogg
Round 115 Madmanquail
Round 116 bmh, Personman
Round 117 bateleur
Round 118 VikingMetal4L
POTM: bmh
February 2010
Round 119 VikingMetal4L
Round 120 Madmanquail
Rounds
Mogg: 27
bateleur: 23
Chimpanzee: 12
WhammWhamme: 11
ced395: 9
Greebo: 8
jcsuperstar: 8
Farik: 5
Halinn: 5
armlx: 4
Lone Warrior: 4
Madmanquail: 4
Personman: 4
Shadowlord: 4
VikingMetal4L: 4
Xyre: 4
Beaker: 3
bman65: 3
FuriouslySleepingIdea: 3
MyNameIsFourteen: 3
r_x_: 3
Shogun17: 3
Silver Seraph: 3
The Mad Tapper: 3
Wanderer359: 3
bmh: 2
carrion pigeons: 2
dasheiff: 2
dethwing: 2
Error1: 2
Knowledge: 2
lOput: 2
Pingele_Pats: 2
Silkenfist: 2
spuzzem king: 2
YuanTi: 2
zu_Faul: 2
Alfred: 1
Amadi: 1
andelijah: 1
Ankh-Morpokian: 1
Death By Beebles: 1
domogrue: 1
Draco9_1_1: 1
DragonDart: 1
Feuerdrache: 1
Feyd_Ruin: 1
ghweiss: 1
help im a bug: 1
Kekekekeke: 1
Hinotama: 1
Krashbot: 1
Meat Popsicle: 1
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5CB Strategy
Format: Fork Week
If you would cast an Instant or Sorcery spell, cast that spell and copy that spell instead. You may choose new targets for the copy.
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<Limited Clan>
v.
12) Madmanquail - Commandeer / Energy Field / Sapprazan Cove / Palinchron / Wipe Away
How does Ced lose here?
If ced leads with lotus, lotus Rakdos, Rakdos kills MMQ before he can get energy field online (the cove can never become active before dying).
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
It's a draw... Commandeer a Lotus and cast Energy Field off the Lotus for a tie. (see, if he keeps Palinchron in hand, he loses to "just cast Rakdos")
Ah right, if he commandeers lotus, he can wipe away your rakdos for the draw.
Question:
MMQ
v
9) VikingMetal4L - Black Lotus / Black Lotus / Empty the Warrens / Mesmeric Fiend / Yawgmoth's Will
How does MMQ win? If he commandeers a lotus, he forces a draw (Mesmeric fiend steals his w/c, and he can't wipe away and use his w/c with commandeer.)
If Viking goes lotus lotus, fiend (stealing energy field), empty the warrens, he can kill MMQ before MMQ ever gets to play his creature (nad has nothing to commandier.
Remember, commandier can't steal the fiend...
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Ah, yes. I was thinking you couldn't cast Coercion because he'd Commandeer it, but of course so long as you cast Lotus, Lotus, Lotus first he has to Commandeer the third one, leaving you clear to Coercion him.
Yep, missed the Fiend-off-one-Lotus option.
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<Limited Clan>
Edit: I realized the answer. Since you can only copy a spell that's already on the stack, the copy must be added second and resolve first. If the order were switched, though, I had a pretty amazing deck lined up.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
Well...:
1) It can dodge a removal spell by getting to 15 counters on the storage land, playing it floating 4 mana, and then untapping the storage land (so you can still bounce it if they play the removal spell once your pool empties).
2) It has very slow vigilance, so it can beat them to death while remaining as a blocker (swing, bounce, replay)
3) It flies, so it can go over ground-pounders.
Correct.
I hope you're going to tell us what it was at some later point!
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<Limited Clan>
0. Foil a spell (discard Island and Progenitus).
1. Play Lotus and Regrowth. Regrowth returns Lotus, and the Regrowth copy returns Regrowth. Loop for mana to play Progenitus. End the turn with Progenitus, Black Lotus, and Island in play, and Regrowth and Foil in hand.
2. Foil a spell.
3. Win.
I originally had Forgotten Lore instead of Regrowth (and Tropical Island, of course) – to allow further recursion on later turns. Unfortunately, that doesn't work if I Foil before my first turn (Lore returns everything but Lore).
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
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<Limited Clan>
If you would cast an Instant or Sorcery spell, cast that spell and copy that spell instead. You may choose new targets for the copy.
If a player would be forced to discard cards beyond the first of the turn, instead that player may choose not to."
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
It sounds like you've worked it out for yourself, but just to clarify: The names of special weeks are purely cosmetic. The rules for the week are always given explicitly, so you never need any special knowledge not given in the thread in order to enter.
Also: Welcome to 5CB!
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<Limited Clan>
Oops. I've re-submitted.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
Whoa. Sorry. My recollection of the rules was in error.
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