First: I do still intend to quit moderating following the end of the special format two weeks from now. I would like to see the game continue, but no one has committed yet to moderating on a more than sporadic basis. That only works if there are a few more volunteers and we can arrange a rotation. So, consider then post if you would like to help.
Second: Next week is the one-hundredth round. As such, the special format is one that was well received two weeks ago and makes due reference to the occasion.
100 Turns
A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's 100th turn.
4 bateleur – Black Lotus / Channel / Mycosynth Lattice / Shattering Spree / Titania's Song Thanks to the final submissions, this did much better than I expected. The 4-9 match also made me realize a flaw in my push for Mirror as the default 4CC deck: Leyline of the Void.
7 ced395 – Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Mana Tithe / Mishra's Factory / Vesuva I'm curious what reasons led you and bman65 to play this deck. My own reasons were that I expected many of the many card/small card deck to be played, to beat the lotus-heavy decks. This deck, I thought, is good against those.
9 joedredd – Black Lotus / Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Leyline of the Void / Opalescence This deck falls uncomfortably between fast combo and disruption deck, without achieving either to much success. Leyline of the Void is disruptive, but not consistently, and only makes a fast deck slightly faster. In general, I don't think this is the place for a Lotus win-condition.
Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the [URL="http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules090201.pdf"]Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules[/URL].
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator (Mogg).
2.1a. The moderator acknowledges submissions and informs players of mistakes in a timely manner.
2.1b. A player may submit multiple decks, but only the most recent is counted.
2.1c. If a player's final deck is illegal, the moderator replaces cards in the deck with Library of Alexandria until the deck is made legal. Replacements are made such that the revised deck functions as closely as possible to the original.
2.2. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's second turn.
For example, Cabal Therapy + Swamp x4 is illegal because an opponent's deck may have duplicates of a card, but Cabal Therapy + Subterranean Hangar x4 is legal because Cabal Therapy can't be played until the third turn.
2.3. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
2.4. Each player plays one match, consisting of two games, against each other player. Each player is the starting player once per match. Results assume optimal play and perfect information.
2.4a. If no player can win, the game is a draw.
2.4b. A player that can't win or draw plays to extend the game.
2.5. Points determine tournament standings. Players are ranked, first to last, in order of decreasing number of points.
2.5a. For each match, a player earns 3 points per game win and 1 point per drawn game. However, a player that wins one game and loses the other earns only 2 points.
2.5b. A table of match results is posted each round. Its rows represent players and its columns represent opponents. Match results reflect the combined result of both games played in a match; 3 is a game win, 1 a drawn game, and 0 a game loss. A player's points are listed at the end of his or her row.
2.6. In rounds of twenty or more players, players are divided randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down).
For example, twenty-five players are divided into heats of twelve and thirteen.
2.6a. A player only plays against players in his heat.
2.6b. The top four players of each heat advance to the finals, where they play again (with the same decks).
2.6c. Tiebreakers for heats are as follows: number of matches in which a player wins both games, number of game wins, points scored against higher-scoring decks. If a tie is unresolved, both tied decks advance.
2.7. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month becomes the Player of the Month.
2.7a. A month includes all rounds for which decks are due during that month.
2.7b. The top eight players of rounds of less than twenty players and all players in the finals of rounds of twenty or more players earn POTM points according to their rank; The player with the highest score earns 1 POTM point for each player in the finals, and each subsequent player earns one point less than the previous player. Tied players earn equal points but are counted as separate players when calculating the points of other players.
2.7c. Tiebreakers for top eight are as follows: number of matches in which a player wins both games, number of game wins, points scored against higher-scoring decks. If a tie is unresolved, both tied decks are counted.
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/5-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 1)[/URL]
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/11-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 2)[/URL]
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/39-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 3)[/URL]
Alex Hoffman
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0212.htm"]Going Blind: A First Look at Lands[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0232.htm"]Going Blind: A Non-Basic Approach[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0240.htm"]Going Blind: Metagaming – Being Overly Analytical[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0247.htm"]Going Blind: Metagaming #2 – All Decked Out[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0268.htm"]Going Blind: XCB Metagaming – A Prolonged Conclusion[/URL]
A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's 100th turn.
Deck Submission Deadline:
Friday, September 25th, 2:00 pm PST.
Please use this thread to discuss any aspect of 5CB. Also, consider a subscription to 5CB. Subscribed players who have not already submitted a deck receive a reminder PM about two days before deadline. PM me to subscribe.
Ooh, good timing on the close PotM finish - this next round is going to be really interesting!
I shall be most amused if I miss PotM by a point or two due to my moderatorial comment last round provoking jordman into submitting another Foil deck this round!
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MTGSalvation Articles: 1-20, plus guest appearance on MTGCast #86!
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So, yes, this round has a myraid of issues. are going to assume that the "any deck hypothesis" is that we are playing a deck that is trying to win? beacuse a deck that runs aincent tomb X5 would easly lose to any deck within 100 turns.
also, by that same token, say the "any deck" ran summoners pact X5, you could feasibly win on T1.
Mesmeric Fiend on the banned list seems redundant for this week's special. I can't image very many decks that could play that guy but not before turn 101.
Or maybe once I figure out why the banning is not redundant, I'll have come to a very deep insight about the format?
Special format banned lists are always in addition to the regular one, yes.
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So, with Zendikar coming up maybe a good special round may be to do a Zendikar-CB, where only Zendy cards are legal? Once we have the full spoiler from the prerelease and the set released to Gatherer we can try that out? Naturally, there will be some modifications to mana rules (maybe allowing Lotus and Storage Lands, or having some special rules with lands)
Pitching this idea also to 3CB and 2CB. Also, credit to this idea goes to bmh.
So, I just spent all week on and off designing around test of endurance. and surprise, we all start with 100 life. so much for that cariboo range win con
Second: Next week is the one-hundredth round. As such, the special format is one that was well received two weeks ago and makes due reference to the occasion.
100 Turns
A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's 100th turn.
Players start the game with 100 life.
Helix Pinnacle and Mesmeric Fiend are banned.
Third: This round was a bit small, but there were many high-quality decks. Going into the last round of September, it's a close race for POTM.
Results
1 Mogg – Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Mana Tithe / Mishra's Factory / Mishra's Factory
I'm tempted to argue that Factory is better than Vesuva against Coercion, but really I just forgot to update the list.
2 jordman – Black Lotus / Big Game Hunter / Foil / Thoughtseize / Underground Sea
With only one threat, the ability to play that threat reactively is basically pointless.
3 lOput – Bayou / Chalice of the Void / Karakas / Nezumi Shortfang / Qasali Pridemage
I don't understand Karakas here. Compared to Mox, it makes you a turn slower and leaves you incapable of winning against any other deck playing Karakas.
4 bateleur – Black Lotus / Channel / Mycosynth Lattice / Shattering Spree / Titania's Song
Thanks to the final submissions, this did much better than I expected. The 4-9 match also made me realize a flaw in my push for Mirror as the default 4CC deck: Leyline of the Void.
5 dethwing – Chalice of the Void / Flash / Mishra's Factory / Mox Sapphire / Woodfall Primus
The Factory mana base was essential to transforming this deck from marginally playable to good.
6 FuriouslySleepingIdea – Anvil of Bogardan / Chalice of the Void / Ensnaring Bridge / Mishra's Workshop / The Rack
I'd still argue double Rack is preferrable to Rack plus Bridge. Nevertheless, this was an excellent choice.
7 ced395 – Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Mana Tithe / Mishra's Factory / Vesuva
I'm curious what reasons led you and bman65 to play this deck. My own reasons were that I expected many of the many card/small card deck to be played, to beat the lotus-heavy decks. This deck, I thought, is good against those.
8 bman65 – Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Mana Tithe / Mishra's Factory / Vesuva
See #1 and #7.
9 joedredd – Black Lotus / Karakas / Leyline of Singularity / Leyline of the Void / Opalescence
This deck falls uncomfortably between fast combo and disruption deck, without achieving either to much success. Leyline of the Void is disruptive, but not consistently, and only makes a fast deck slightly faster. In general, I don't think this is the place for a Lotus win-condition.
10 domogrue – Anurid Scavenger / Black Lotus / Black Lotus / Nightscape Battlemage / Thornscape Battlemage
The deck suffers from rampant lotus-hate without bringing the strong disruption or speed that makes lotus worth the risk.
11 Personman – Ajani Vengeant / Black Lotus / Cenn's Tactician / Karakas / Leyline of Singularity
Karakas seems wrong in a deck that can just shoot guys. It also doubles your mana-base vulnerabilities.
Results
X| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
1| X 6 6 3 2 1 2 2 3 6 3 | 31
2| 0 X 1 6 3 2 0 0 2 1 2 | 16
3| 0 4 X 3 3 2 0 0 4 4 1 | 19
4| 3 0 3 X 3 3 3 3 6 6 6 | 30
5| 2 3 3 3 X 3 2 2 6 4 6 | 30
6| 4 2 2 3 3 X 4 4 6 4 4 | 34
7| 2 6 6 3 2 1 X 2 3 6 3 | 31
8| 2 6 6 3 2 1 2 X 3 6 3 | 31
9| 3 2 1 0 0 0 3 3 X 6 3 | 17
0| 0 4 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 X 0 | 7
1| 3 2 4 0 0 1 3 3 3 6 X | 21
1 FuriouslySleepingIdea (6): 34
2 bman65 (8): 31
2 ced395 (7): 31
2 Mogg (1): 31
5 bateleur (4): 30
5 dethwing (5): 30
7 Personman (11): 21
8 lOput (3): 19
POTM Standings
1 FuriouslySleepingIdea: 17
2 bateleur: 16
2 Mogg: 16
4 ced395: 15
5 dethwing: 9
6 bman65: 7
6 Madmanquail: 7
8 IBJeremy: 5
8 Personman: 5
8 VikingMetal4L: 5
11 jordman: 4
11 WhammWhamme: 4
13 lOput: 1
13 semioldguy: 1
0. Overview
Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the [URL="http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules090201.pdf"]Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules[/URL].
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator (Mogg).
2.2. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's second turn.
2.3. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
2.4. Each player plays one match, consisting of two games, against each other player. Each player is the starting player once per match. Results assume optimal play and perfect information.
2.5. Points determine tournament standings. Players are ranked, first to last, in order of decreasing number of points.
2.6. In rounds of twenty or more players, players are divided randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down).
2.7. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month becomes the Player of the Month.
Season 1
March 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=6094"]Round 1[/URL] r_x, Greebo, zorbop
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=6468"]Round 2[/URL] Ankh-Morpokian
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=6809"]Round 3[/URL] Greebo
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=7283"]Round 4[/URL] Chimpanzee
POTM: Greebo
April 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=7627"]Round 5[/URL] help im a bug, Draco9_1_1 (Only Creatures)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=8035"]Round 6[/URL] Greebo (Only Creatures)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=8666"]Round 7[/URL] spuzzem king
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=9177"]Round 8[/URL] bateleur
POTM: spuzzem king
May 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=9647"]Round 9[/URL] Feyd_Ruin (Only Multicolor)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=10416"]Round 10[/URL] jcsuperstar (Only Multicolor)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=10887"]Round 11[/URL] Lone Warrior
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=11432"]Round 12[/URL] Wanderer359
POTM: WhammWhamme
June 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=12045"]Round 13[/URL] Silver Seraph, Greebo (Titania's Song)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=12410"]Round 14[/URL] WhammWhamme (Titania's Song)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=12814"]Round 15[/URL] Tahn (Artist Tribute)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=13389"]Round 16[/URL] Lone Warrior (Artist Tribute)
POTM: bateleur, Greebo
July 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=13887"]Round 17[/URL] Shadowlord
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=14378"]Round 18[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=14807"]Round 19[/URL] Shadowlord (Pay 19: Add 1)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=15258"]Round 20[/URL] Greebo (Pay 19: Add 1)
POTM: Shadowlord
August 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=15757"]Round 21[/URL] Greebo
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=16261"]Round 22[/URL] Greebo
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=16767"]Round 23[/URL] spuzzem king (One-Million Life)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=17363"]Round 24[/URL] WhammWhamme (One-Million Life)
POTM: Greebo
September 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=18194"]Round 25[/URL] Chimpanzee, Shadowlord
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=18881"]Round 26[/URL] dasheiff
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=19436"]Round 27[/URL] Chimpanzee (Orrery)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=20115"]Round 28[/URL] Halinn (Orrery)
POTM: jcsuperstar
October 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=20620"]Round 29[/URL] Beaker
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=21139"]Round 30[/URL] Feuerdrache, Wanderer359
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=21664"]Round 31[/URL] r_x (Dream Halls)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=22402"]Round 32[/URL] Puzzle (Dream Halls)
POTM: Chimpanzee
November 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=22966"]Round 33[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=23491"]Round 34[/URL] Shadowlord
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=23884"]Round 35[/URL] jcsuperstar (Backbuild)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=24390"]Round 36[/URL] jcsuperstar (Backbuild)
POTM: bateleur
December 2005
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=25066"]Round 37[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=25688"]Round 38[/URL] Wanderer359
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=26298"]Round 39[/URL] WhammWhamme (Ban a Card)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=26872"]Round 40[/URL] dasheiff, Lone Warrior (Ban a Card)
POTM: Beaker
January 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=27896"]Round 41[/URL] Lone Warrior
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=28710"]Round 42[/URL] Silver Seraph
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=29611"]Round 43[/URL] Trojan (1984)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=30432"]Round 44[/URL] Beaker (1984)
POTM: Lone Warrior
February 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=31272"]Round 45[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=31932"]Round 46[/URL] Halinn
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=32474"]Round 47[/URL] bateleur (7 Life)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33180"]Round 48[/URL] Chimpanzee (7 Life)
POTM: bateleur
March 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33791"]Round 49[/URL] armlx
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34406"]Round 50[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35145"]Round 51[/URL] armlx (Leyline)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35949"]Round 52[/URL] Chimpanzee, Greebo (Leyline)
POTM: armlx
April 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=36669"]Round 53[/URL] jcsuperstar
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=37453"]Round 54[/URL] armlx
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=38259"]Round 55[/URL] bateleur (Epic)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=39112"]Round 56[/URL] Xyre (Epic)
POTM: jcsuperstar
May 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=40009"]Round 57[/URL] jcsuperstar
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=40592"]Round 58[/URL] Pingele_Pats (Banathon)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=41049"]Round 59[/URL] Amadi (Banathon)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=41700"]Round 60[/URL] Solitaire (Banathon)
POTM: Pingele_Pats
June 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=42861"]Round 61[/URL] Farik (One-Million Life)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=43630"]Round 62[/URL] Wrath_of_Dog, zu_Faul (Leyline)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=44282"]Round 63[/URL] Beaker (7 Life)
POTM: silicon
July 2006
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=45591"]Round 64[/URL] Pingele_Pats (Multi-Set)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=45997"]Round 65[/URL] WhammWhamme, zu_Faul (Extended)
POTM: None
September 2007
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=90316"]Round 1[/URL] (Introduction)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=91036"]Round 2[/URL] andelijah
POTM: None
October 2007
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=91936"]Round 3[/URL] Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=92704"]Round 4[/URL] Chimpanzee (Lorwyn)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=93774"]Round 5[/URL] Meat Popsicle (Repeat Letters)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=94440"]Round 6[/URL] Mogg (10 Life)
POTM: Mogg
November 2007
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=95199"]Round 7[/URL] Death_By_Beebles
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=95902"]Round 8[/URL] jcsuperstar (Mindslaver)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=96516"]Round 9[/URL] Mogg (Thanksgiving Special)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=97143"]Round 10[/URL] Mogg (Thanksgiving Special, Part Two)
POTM: Mogg
December 2007
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=97961"]Round 11[/URL] carrion pigeons
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=98567"]Round 12[/URL] Mogg (Later Alphabet)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=98989"]Round 13[/URL] Mogg (Backbuild)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=99475"]Round 14[/URL] Xyre (Backbuild)
POTM: Mogg
January 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=100175"]Round 15[/URL] armlx
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=100844"]Round 16[/URL] Chimpanzee (Auras)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=101621"]Round 17[/URL] Mogg (Doubling Season)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=102304"]Round 18[/URL] carrion pigeons, Chimpanzee (Doubling Season)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=103066"]Round 19[/URL] WhammWhamme (31 Bans)
POTM: Mogg
February 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=104065"]Round 20[/URL] Chimpanzee
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=104712"]Round 21[/URL] Mogg (Combat)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=104935"]Round 22[/URL] Mogg (Combat)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=105547"]Round 23[/URL] Knowledge
POTM: Mogg
March 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=106220"]Round 24[/URL] Mogg (Consecutive Names)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=106908"]Round 25[/URL] Chimpanzee (Consecutive Names)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=107591"]Round 26[/URL] The Mad Tapper
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=108297"]Round 27[/URL] The Mad Tapper
POTM: The Mad Tapper
April 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=109241"]Round 28[/URL] The Mad Tapper (DC5)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=109966"]Round 29[/URL] jcsuperstar (DC5)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=109966"]Round 30[/URL] jcsuperstar (< 20)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=112496"]Round 31[/URL] bateleur
POTM: bateleur
May 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=113883"]Round 32[/URL] WhammWhamme (Leyline)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=114708"]Round 33[/URL] Silver Seraph (Mana Market)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=115287"]Round 34[/URL] bateleur (Helm of Awakening and Mirari)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=116348"]Round 35[/URL] Alfred (Pre-entered Decks)
POTM: bateleur
June 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=117381"]Round 36[/URL] bateleur, YuanTi
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=118173"]Round 37[/URL] WhammWhamme (Favorite Colors)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=119310"]Round 38[/URL] YuanTi (Lotus)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=119903"]Round 39[/URL] Mogg (Mogg Week)
POTM: WhammWhamme
July 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=120773"]Round 40[/URL] bateleur (Mulligans)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=121739"]Round 41[/URL] Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=122636"]Round 42[/URL] Chimpanzee
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=124311"]Round 43[/URL] ced395 (Even)
POTM: Mogg
August 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=125151"]Round 44[/URL] WhammWhamme (Odd)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=126020"]Round 45[/URL] Farik (No Bans)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=126989"]Round 46[/URL] Mogg
POTM: Error1
September 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=127923"]Round 47[/URL] ghweiss (Low-Scoring)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=128910"]Round 48[/URL] theeguy (Backbuild, Part Two)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=129889"]Round 49[/URL] Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=130961"]Round 50[/URL] Mogg (50 Life)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=131984"]Round 51[/URL] Error1 (Landline)
POTM: Mogg
October 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=133133"]Round 52[/URL] Shogun17 (Exploration)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=134402"]Round 53[/URL] MT_Gunn (Multicolor Discount)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=135119"]Round 54[/URL] Silkenfist (2-2)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=136022"]Round 55[/URL] bateleur, WhammWhamme
POTM: Error1
November 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=136779"]Round 56[/URL] Error1 (Colorless Creatures)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=137754"]Round 57[/URL] Knowledge, Silkenfist (Legendary Creatures)
POTM: None
December 2008
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=140260"]Round 58[/URL] (Introduction)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=141433"]Round 59[/URL] Halinn
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=141958"]Round 60[/URL] Halinn
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=142946"]Round 61[/URL] ced395 (Christmas Special)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=143746"]Round 62[/URL] MyNameIsFourteen (New Year's Special)
POTM: None
January 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=144717"]Round 63[/URL] Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=145719"]Round 64[/URL] Mogg (Nemesis)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=146641"]Round 65[/URL] MyNameIsFourteen (Nemesis)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=147645"]Round 66[/URL] Mogg
POTM: Mogg
February 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=148622"]Round 67[/URL] Chimpanzee
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=149702"]Round 68[/URL] MyNameIsFourteen (Lovely Letters)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=150627"]Round 69[/URL] Naphtali (Lovely Letters, Part 2)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=151448"]Round 70[/URL] bateleur
POTM: bateleur
March 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=152267"]Round 71[/URL] ced395, Chimpanzee
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=153101"]Round 72[/URL] ced395 (Activated)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=154017"]Round 73[/URL] WhammWhamme (Activated)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=154908"]Round 74[/URL] bateleur
POTM: Chimpanzee
April 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=155856"]Round 75[/URL] Xyre
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=156777"]Round 76[/URL] Mogg, ngollon (Landline-Orrery)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=157823"]Round 77[/URL] Mogg (Landline-Orrery)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=158995"]Round 78[/URL] Mogg
POTM: Mogg
May 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=160153"]Round 79[/URL] bateleur
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=161218"]Round 80[/URL] ced395 (Upwelling)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=162253"]Round 81[/URL] Mogg (Upwelling)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=163426"]Round 82[/URL] Halinn
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=164442"]Round 83[/URL] r_x_
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=161217"]New Player Round[/URL] math_geek
POTM: Mogg
June 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=165527"]Round 84[/URL] Kekekekeke (Block Party)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=167068"]Round 85[/URL] FuriouslySleepingIdea (Block Party)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=168006"]Round 86[/URL] Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=169141"]Round 87[/URL] Farik
POTM: Mogg
July 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=170423"]Round 88[/URL] bateleur, dethwing (Infinite Cards)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=171637"]Round 89[/URL] Farik, lOput (Infinite Cards)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=172579"]Round 90[/URL] Farik, Mogg, Personman
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=173785"]Round 91[/URL] Madmanquail
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=175038"]Round 92[/URL] bateleur (Backbuild, Part Three)
POTM: Madmanquail
August 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=176425"]Round 93[/URL] DragonDart (Backbuild, Part Three)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=177520"]Round 94[/URL] lOput
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=179027"]Round 95[/URL] domogrue
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=180829"]Round 96[/URL] Mogg (Dream Halls)
POTM: ced395
September 2009
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=182086"]Round 97[/URL] Mogg (Dream Halls)
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=183695"]Round 98[/URL] ced395
[URL=""] FuriouslySleepingIdea
POTM: ?
Rounds
Mogg: 26
bateleur: 18
Chimpanzee: 12
WhammWhamme: 10
Greebo: 8
jcsuperstar: 8
ced395: 6
Farik: 5
Halinn: 5
armlx: 4
Lone Warrior: 4
Shadowlord: 4
Beaker: 3
MyNameIsFourteen: 3
r_x_: 3
Silver Seraph: 3
The Mad Tapper: 3
Wanderer359: 3
Xyre: 3
carrion pigeons: 2
dasheiff: 2
Error1: 2
FuriouslySleepingIdea: 2
Knowledge: 2
lOput: 2
Pingele_Pats: 2
Silkenfist: 2
spuzzem king: 2
YuanTi: 2
zu_Faul: 2
Alfred: 1
Amadi: 1
andelijah: 1
Ankh-Morpokian: 1
Death By Beebles: 1
dethwing: 1
domogrue: 1
Draco9_1_1: 1
DragonDart: 1
Feuerdrache: 1
Feyd_Ruin: 1
ghweiss: 1
help im a bug: 1
Kekekekeke: 1
Madmanquail: 1
Meat Popsicle: 1
MT Gunn: 1
Naphtali: 1
ngollon: 1
Personman: 1
Puzzle: 1
Shogun17: 1
Solitaire: 1
Tahn: 1
theeguy: 1
Trojan: 1
Wrath_of_Dog: 1
zorbop: 1
POTM
Mogg: 11
bateleur: 6
Greebo: 3
Chimpanzee: 2
Error1: 2
jcsuperstar: 2
WhammWhamme: 2
armlx: 1
Beaker: 1
ced395: 1
Lone Warrior: 1
Madmanquail: 1
math_geek: 1
Pingele_Pats: 1
Shadowlord: 1
silicon: 1
spuzzem king: 1
The Mad Tapper: 1
Dom Camus
[URL="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/1038-five-card-blind.html"]Five Card Blind[/URL]
Nick Chandler-Klein
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/5-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 1)[/URL]
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/11-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 2)[/URL]
[URL="http://mtgsalvation.com/39-three-card-blind-a-whole-different-format-part-.html"]Three Card Blind: A Whole Different Format (Part 3)[/URL]
Alex Hoffman
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0212.htm"]Going Blind: A First Look at Lands[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0232.htm"]Going Blind: A Non-Basic Approach[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0240.htm"]Going Blind: Metagaming – Being Overly Analytical[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0247.htm"]Going Blind: Metagaming #2 – All Decked Out[/URL]
[URL="http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0268.htm"]Going Blind: XCB Metagaming – A Prolonged Conclusion[/URL]
Forum Articles
Madmanquail
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=4168499&postcount=22"]5CB Strategy[/URL]
Mogg
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=4171439&postcount=28"]5CB Strategy[/URL]
A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's 100th turn.
Players start the game with 100 life.
Helix Pinnacle and Mesmeric Fiend are banned.
Deck Submission Deadline:
Friday, September 25th, 2:00 pm PST.
Please use this thread to discuss any aspect of 5CB. Also, consider a subscription to 5CB. Subscribed players who have not already submitted a deck receive a reminder PM about two days before deadline. PM me to subscribe.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
I shall be most amused if I miss PotM by a point or two due to my moderatorial comment last round provoking jordman into submitting another Foil deck this round!
(I'm on on this site much anymore. If you want to get in touch it's probably best to email me: dom@heffalumps.org)
Forum Awards: Best Writer 2005, Best Limited Strategist 2005-2012
5CB PotM - June 2005, November 2005, February 2006, April 2008, May 2008, Feb 2009
MTGSalvation Articles: 1-20, plus guest appearance on MTGCast #86!
<Limited Clan>
I AM TEH MASTAH O FAIL
ty spiderboys
I AM TEH MASTAH O FAIL
ty spiderboys
also, by that same token, say the "any deck" ran summoners pact X5, you could feasibly win on T1.
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
From Rules 2.4 and 2.4b:
"Results assume optimal play and perfect information. . . A player that can't win or draw plays to extend the game."
In most cases, the opposing deck would never activate Ancient Tomb or play Summoner's Pact.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
Or maybe once I figure out why the banning is not redundant, I'll have come to a very deep insight about the format?
I AM TEH MASTAH O FAIL
ty spiderboys
Modern UW Taking Turns
(I'm on on this site much anymore. If you want to get in touch it's probably best to email me: dom@heffalumps.org)
Forum Awards: Best Writer 2005, Best Limited Strategist 2005-2012
5CB PotM - June 2005, November 2005, February 2006, April 2008, May 2008, Feb 2009
MTGSalvation Articles: 1-20, plus guest appearance on MTGCast #86!
<Limited Clan>
...unless the round specifically says otherwise. [/pedantry]
Why is that a problem?
His opponent's second card is not discarded until that player's second turn, which is not before that player's second turn.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
Pitching this idea also to 3CB and 2CB. Also, credit to this idea goes to bmh.
Fattycakes Zombie of Clan Limited
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
I AM TEH MASTAH O FAIL
ty spiderboys