Odd Week:
Players may not submit decks with cards with an Even mana cost. (Lands are fine)
Basic Rules
- Your deck is composed of exactly 5 cards, all of which start in your hand.
- Your deck has no sideboard.
- You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
- You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play.
- Random effects always go in their owner's opponent's favor.
- All other rules of magic remain unchanged, unless otherwise stated.
Tournament Rules
- All matches are played out by the moderator (participants only submit the decks).
- Tournaments are run in round-robin fashion.
- Each matchup consists of 2 games, with each deck going first once.
- Participants earn 3 points if their deck wins a match, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for a loss.
- The moderator may confer any number of Deck Awards. Each Deck Award is worth 10 POTM points unless otherwise specified.
Deck-Building Rules
- You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
- You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than 1 card from their hand per turn
- You may not submit a deck that can generate infinite (or an arbitrarily large amount of) mana on the first turn.
- You may not include a card that is illegal in T1 (Classic). However you may include any number of restricted cards.
- You may not include a card that appears on the 5CB Banned List.
The Banned List
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Force of Will
Trinisphere
Mycosynth Lattice
Anurid Scavenger
Form of the Dragon
Barren Glory
Unmask
Cabal Therapy
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So if I understand correctly, the next 5CB will use the same format as the last one?
If so I'm definitely not designing my deck yet... I want to see what won last time!
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So if I understand correctly, the next 5CB will use the same format as the last one?
If so I'm definitely not designing my deck yet... I want to see what won last time!
Actually, I just haven't updated that portion of the copy-and-paste, as I always decide the new format after looking at the previous one. It MAY be the same format, it may not.
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
0-6 - I can't beat Maze
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
6-0 Foil the Lotus
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0 Foil the Lotus
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
0-6 Can't beat Maze
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
6-0 Foil the Lotus
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
3-3 See YuanTi's post
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
6-0 Foil Lotus
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6 Bat can force through Windborn which I can't beat
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 Can't beat Maze
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0 Assuming AoD is a basic land, Foil a Lotus he can't cast firemane
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2-2 I counter Gibbering Descent, but can't win because of Tabernacle
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
1-4 I can force a draw on the play but get countered on the draw.
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
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1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
?-?
Edit: Not sure about this one.
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
6-0
just foil the lotus
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0
foil the lotus
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
0-6
Powder Keg kills all my creatures the second time it's played
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
6-0
foil the lotus
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
6-0
foil the scepter and outrace
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
6-0
foil lotus
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6
edit
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6
foil does nothing here, pride get online quick enough to kick my ass.
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0
Foil the creature he plays
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
4-1
On the play I can foil his foil and outrace him. On the draw he foils my foil and we draw.
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
3-3
On the play I can out race him. On the draw he can shut down my lotus.
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2-2
I counter his diamond. The Tabernacle kills all my creatures.
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
vs
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
6-0- Too slow
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
0-6 Horobi kills.
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
6-0 Too slow
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
3-3, Arcane denial gets me on the draw. On the play I can just get Sekki into play and that's enough to win.
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
6-0 Doesn't stop me.
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
0-6 He can wreck my lotus.
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6 I hate Sphere.
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
0-6
Foil on Black Lotus is suck
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 Sphere again.
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0 The Leyline prevents me from comboing, but I can have Sekki pandemonium itself and the 8 tokens can kill both of this creature if he plays them while they only take out at most two of mine so I can win off the Saps.
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11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
0-6
Foil on Black Lotus is suck
Quoted for truthery.
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 So many spheres!
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
0-6 The discard prevents me from comboing and the Chasm makes him invulnerable to Sekki beats.
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
4-1
I win on the play by foiling his muse. On the draw I foil his Sphere and get three attacks in before he plays the muse putting him at 1 and makeing it so he can't play the Epochrasite.
You can't foil his Muse because he will play Sphere first and you can't pay the extra.
Turn 1 you BL -> SP
Bat Tomb -> Sphere takes 2 you have to foil this
turn 2 flash back BS
Bat play fountain taped
Turn 3 Attack(13)
B Add counter
Turn 4 Attack(8)
Add counter
Turn 5 Attack(3)
Play Muse go to (1)
He can then charge up Fountain and play Epoc FTW
Same thing on the Draw
I second this sentiment. I'm way to sleepy to do results right now, but Chimpanzee deserves cool-deck-designer of the month for July. He's been on a roll recently.
Edit: "I'm way to sleepy to do results right now"... and apparently also too sleepy to choose correctly which two/to/too my sentence needs.
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Restore Balance can force more than 1 discard. Shame on you!
Yes, but it cannot force multiple discards until turn 6, and the rule is that yo cannot make the opponent discard more cards _than there have been turns_.
On turn 2, you can make them discard two cards at once.
On turn 6, you can make them discard 5 cards at once.
Incidently, YuanTi? Most recent submission is ALWAYS the one that counts. If you hadn't submitted a new deck, you would have had to play the illegal deck with one card removed to make it legal. No exceptions.
Edit: And yes, Avatar of Discard was not legal this week... apologies for not catching that.
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
If I make Descent turn 1 (LED, Tabernacle, sac LED for black, tap Tabernacle for G with madness on the stack), WhammWhamme pitches Maze and Baloth, and wins with Gargadon. If I wait for Chasm, Restore Balance eats it anyway.
0-6
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
If on the draw, I lose to Specter. On the play, I make Portal t1, discard Tabernacle then play LED, Chasm and Descent. I skip my upkeep and Descent kills Halinn
3-3
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
I put everything into play off Eureka and take no damage.
6-0
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
On the play or draw, I make t1 descent. It outraces Megalithis, since my hand is empty from the start.
6-0
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
I can't deal with recurring Dust Bowl.
0-6
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
I establish Chasm+Descent lock and Yuanti gains 3 life a turn.
2-2
Most recent submission counts, apparently.
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
Mindslaver wrecks me the draw. On the play, I have to make t1 Descent or slaver kills me, Mogg discards slaver and plays mirror+tongs, outraces descent.
0-6
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
I play and tap portal to make LED, then tap portal, play chasm saccing portal, tap chasm for G, sac LED and play Descent.
6-0
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
See 8.
6-0
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
Chasm+Descent locks him out, but he can discard angel to descent and survive.
2-2
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
He counters descent, casts Epochrasite and swings with haste every time it comes off suspend to beat Tabernacle.
0-6
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
On the play, I make LED and Tabernacle t1, then play portal, then sac it to chasm and pay 5 if needed for descent.
On the draw, Chalice FTW.
3-3
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
I wait it out, playing all 3 lands before casting descent, saccing portal to chasm. If he counters descent he cannot pay for Tabernacle and I sac chasm to it's upkeep. Otherwise I win.
2-2
Looks like I should have gone with Maze of Ith over Tabernacle this week.
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Here is a score chart. Deck 15 is BigBarn's. My reasons for changing certain matches is explained below. Congratulations to ced395 for winning this round.
One other comment:
Chimpanzee's deck stood out when I was rushing through the decks this morning. I still like it, but the coolest deck is either Thoomor's or ghweiss's. Personally, I prefer ghweiss's because I love digger effects, and being able to destroy lands and counter spells repeatedly is powerful and versatile. Though, I'm also excited whenever I see Glacial Chasm put to good use, so it's hard to say.
Explanations for matches where I disagreed with the posted results:
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
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3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0
With Pandemonium ability on the stack, I nuke Sekki with Hammerheim
Going second, you don't have enough mana to play Horobi and activate Hammerheim when Chimpanzee combos. 3-3
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
3-3
Blazing Specter ruins his combo on the play
Combo kills me on the draw
Specter does not ruin my combo. I discard Mindslaver and put myself at 3 life. If you attack again, I go to 1 and kill you. If you don't attack, Tongs kill you eventually. 0-6
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
If on the draw, I lose to Specter. On the play, I make Portal t1, discard Tabernacle then play LED, Chasm and Descent. I skip my upkeep and Descent kills Halinn
3-3
First, you Discard Tabernacle. On your turn, play Portal and Lion's Eye Diamond. If Halinn attacks again, you play Descent for its madness cost, then play Chasm. If he doesn't attack, you do it all on your turn. 6-0
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0
With Pandemonium ability on the stack, I nuke Sekki with Hammerheim
Going second, you don't have enough mana to play Horobi and activate Hammerheim when Chimpanzee combos. 3-3
He can play Horobi + Hammerheim off the Eureka killing sekki after pandemonium triggers. If he does not play Eureka then the Specter can make him discard the Pandemonium.
He can't play Chasm after descent, since it'll be discarded through LED
And then discarded again because Descent triggers on his upkeep due to him not having Hellbent.
Nonetheless, hat tip to Mogg for calculating the entire table and making far fewer error than I would have done.
@WhammWhamme> What is the format for #44?
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"You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than 1 card from their hand per turn"
Breakdown:
'more than 1 card from their hand per turn' is distinct from the previous rule, which was 'cannot force a player to discard more than one card in a single turn'.
A more elegant wording is desirable, but has not been found yet.
Notes:
halinn vs Chimpanzee is 6-0 to halinn, since Chimpanzee's combo cannot beat first turn Blazing Spectre (either discard needed mana, or a combo piece). Horobi has nothing to with it, except insofar as Horobi trumps Sekki if he discards Pandemonium.
So are the clockspinning cards banned (with restore balance)? Can I play cabal therapy as long as I can't use it before turn 5? (Jhoira + Therapy?)
It seems cleaner to not allow card that can make multiple discards per turn as well as disallowing decks that can make multiple discards per turn (swamp, lotus, thoughtseize + fork/twincast for example)
1) 0
2) 4 (win on the play, draw vs. horobi and heavyweights)
3) 3 (chalice wins on the play
4) 0
5) 4 (on the play, chalice stops his lotus, on the draw I can bait him with keg to kill his lotus, which lets me play chalice at zero - however if he just leads with dustbowl + lotus and waits, he can counter my crypt OR wasteland my shop and I can't beat that)
6) 6 - chalice for 2 counters the scepter copies
7) 3 (on the draw I do nothing against moggs combo)
8) 6 (on the draw I can pay for windborn each turn with shop and beat for 9 in the air)
9) 0 (can't beat maze or a swarm of dudes)
10) 6 (on the play, chalice beats him, on the draw eater beats firemane)
11) 0 (on the draw or the play, he counters my crypt and I lose)
12) 3 (on the play I play chalice at 2 then eater, on the draw his chalice at zero counters my crypt)
13) 2
14) 1
So, for example, a spell costing a single Black mana that caused the opponent to discard their entire hand would be legal provided you managed to submit a deck which couldn't generate a single Black mana until turn five!
Cabal Therapy was that card (because the opponent might have submitted a deck containing ive identical cards), but has since been banned because everyone kept forgetting (or in the case of new players, failing to spot) that it was almost never legal to actually use it.
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City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
Congratulatins to WINNAH
Congratulations to... probably Mogg... POTM WINNAH
1) Mogg (96)
2) bateleur (88)
3) Chimpanzee (87)
4) WhammWhamme (86)
5) AJFirst (63)
6) ced395 (56)
7) BigBarn (45)
8) halinn (42)
9) ghweiss (38)
10) Tilde (35)
11) Stax (35)
12) YuanTi (28)
12) flashstorm (28)
Next week is a special week:
Odd Week:
Players may not submit decks with cards with an Even mana cost. (Lands are fine)
Basic Rules
- Your deck is composed of exactly 5 cards, all of which start in your hand.
- Your deck has no sideboard.
- You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
- You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play.
- Random effects always go in their owner's opponent's favor.
- All other rules of magic remain unchanged, unless otherwise stated.
Tournament Rules
- All matches are played out by the moderator (participants only submit the decks).
- Tournaments are run in round-robin fashion.
- Each matchup consists of 2 games, with each deck going first once.
- Participants earn 3 points if their deck wins a match, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for a loss.
- The moderator may confer any number of Deck Awards. Each Deck Award is worth 10 POTM points unless otherwise specified.
Deck-Building Rules
- You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
- You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than 1 card from their hand per turn
- You may not submit a deck that can generate infinite (or an arbitrarily large amount of) mana on the first turn.
- You may not include a card that is illegal in T1 (Classic). However you may include any number of restricted cards.
- You may not include a card that appears on the 5CB Banned List.
The Banned List
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Force of Will
Trinisphere
Mycosynth Lattice
Anurid Scavenger
Form of the Dragon
Barren Glory
Unmask
Cabal Therapy
Due to timezones, the deadline is approximately lunchtime Sunday in the States. This is because by then I have already begun my Monday morning, and I try to have these up by lunchtime when possible.
Last round I got a card banned, lets see what happens now.
If so I'm definitely not designing my deck yet... I want to see what won last time!
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Actually, I just haven't updated that portion of the copy-and-paste, as I always decide the new format after looking at the previous one. It MAY be the same format, it may not.
If you like, I'll post the decks and a blank grid as soon as I get home.
Edit: Easy way out, taken.
Edit: I think Chimpanzee's deck is awesome.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
0-6 - I can't beat Maze
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
6-0 Foil the Lotus
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0 Foil the Lotus
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
0-6 Can't beat Maze
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
6-0 Foil the Lotus
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
3-3 See YuanTi's post
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
6-0 Foil Lotus
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6 Bat can force through Windborn which I can't beat
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 Can't beat Maze
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0 Assuming AoD is a basic land, Foil a Lotus he can't cast firemane
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2-2 I counter Gibbering Descent, but can't win because of Tabernacle
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
1-4 I can force a draw on the play but get countered on the draw.
Total 36
Workshop, Mana Crypt, Powder Keg, Chalice, Eater of Days
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
__________________
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
?-?
Edit: Not sure about this one.
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
6-0
just foil the lotus
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
6-0
foil the lotus
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
0-6
Powder Keg kills all my creatures the second time it's played
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
6-0
foil the lotus
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
6-0
foil the scepter and outrace
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
6-0
foil lotus
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6
edit
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6
foil does nothing here, pride get online quick enough to kick my ass.
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0
Foil the creature he plays
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
4-1
On the play I can foil his foil and outrace him. On the draw he foils my foil and we draw.
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
3-3
On the play I can out race him. On the draw he can shut down my lotus.
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2-2
I counter his diamond. The Tabernacle kills all my creatures.
45 or 51 depending on the WhammWhamme match
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
vs
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
6-0- Too slow
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
0-6 Horobi kills.
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
6-0 Too slow
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
3-3, Arcane denial gets me on the draw. On the play I can just get Sekki into play and that's enough to win.
6) YuanTi - YesStick
Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
6-0 Doesn't stop me.
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
0-6 He can wreck my lotus.
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
0-6 I hate Sphere.
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
0-6
Foil on Black Lotus is suck
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 Sphere again.
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Avatar of Discord, Firemane Angel
6-0 The Leyline prevents me from comboing, but I can have Sekki pandemonium itself and the 8 tokens can kill both of this creature if he plays them while they only take out at most two of mine so I can win off the Saps.
Quoted for truthery.
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
0-6 So many spheres!
13) Thoomor - Falling down a Chasm
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
0-6 The discard prevents me from comboing and the Chasm makes him invulnerable to Sekki beats.
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
0-6 Foil
27. Meh. Too much hate.
3CB and 4CB5CB!can't you beat Sphere on the play?
You can't foil his Muse because he will play Sphere first and you can't pay the extra.
Turn 1 you BL -> SP
Bat Tomb -> Sphere takes 2 you have to foil this
turn 2 flash back BS
Bat play fountain taped
Turn 3 Attack(13)
B Add counter
Turn 4 Attack(8)
Add counter
Turn 5 Attack(3)
Play Muse go to (1)
He can then charge up Fountain and play Epoc FTW
Same thing on the Draw
I second this sentiment. I'm way to sleepy to do results right now, but Chimpanzee deserves cool-deck-designer of the month for July. He's been on a roll recently.
Edit: "I'm way to sleepy to do results right now"... and apparently also too sleepy to choose correctly which two/to/too my sentence needs.
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Yes, but it cannot force multiple discards until turn 6, and the rule is that yo cannot make the opponent discard more cards _than there have been turns_.
On turn 2, you can make them discard two cards at once.
On turn 6, you can make them discard 5 cards at once.
Incidently, YuanTi? Most recent submission is ALWAYS the one that counts. If you hadn't submitted a new deck, you would have had to play the illegal deck with one card removed to make it legal. No exceptions.
Edit: And yes, Avatar of Discard was not legal this week... apologies for not catching that.
You might want to update that
Gibbering Descent, Glacial Chasm, Lion's Eye Diamond, Riftstone Portal, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
VS
1) WhammWhamme - This format better be slow!
City of Brass, Durkwood Baloth, Greater Gargadon, Maze of Ith, Restore Balance
If I make Descent turn 1 (LED, Tabernacle, sac LED for black, tap Tabernacle for G with madness on the stack), WhammWhamme pitches Maze and Baloth, and wins with Gargadon. If I wait for Chasm, Restore Balance eats it anyway.
0-6
2) Halinn - Someday, I will find the right toolbox.
Black Lotus; Hammerheim; Blazing Specter; Horobi, Death's Wail; Boldwyr Heavyweights
If on the draw, I lose to Specter. On the play, I make Portal t1, discard Tabernacle then play LED, Chasm and Descent. I skip my upkeep and Descent kills Halinn
3-3
3) Chimpanzee - Archimedes
Black Lotus, Boseiju, Who Shelters All, Eureka, Pandemonium, Sekki, Seasons' Guide
I put everything into play off Eureka and take no damage.
6-0
4) AJFirst - Hopefully the format will slow down enough
Academy Ruins, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Powder Keg, Maze of Ith
On the play or draw, I make t1 descent. It outraces Megalithis, since my hand is empty from the start.
6-0
5) ghweiss - Abeyance: I wish you did anything
Arcane Denial, Black Lotus, Dust Bowl, Leonin Squire, Wheel of Sun & Moon.
I can't deal with recurring Dust Bowl.
0-6
6) YuanTi - YesStickAncient Tomb, City of Traitors, Epochrasite, Isochron Scepter, Lightning Helix
I establish Chasm+Descent lock and Yuanti gains 3 life a turn.
2-2
Most recent submission counts, apparently.
7) Mogg - My Favourite Combo Deck
Black Lotus, Channel, Mindslaver, Mirror Universe, Scalding Tongs
Mindslaver wrecks me the draw. On the play, I have to make t1 Descent or slaver kills me, Mogg discards slaver and plays mirror+tongs, outraces descent.
0-6
8) bateleur - It's Futile
Ancient Tomb, Epochrasite, Fountain of Cho, Sphere of Resistance, Windborn Muse
I play and tap portal to make LED, then tap portal, play chasm saccing portal, tap chasm for G, sac LED and play Descent.
6-0
9) ced395- Raining Cats and Birds
Azorius Chancery, City of Traitors, Maze of Ith, Pride of the Clouds, Sphere of Resistance
See 8.
6-0
10) Stax - Leyline_FTW 2.0.dec
Leyline of the Void, Black Lotus, Black Lotus,
Avatar of Discord, Firemane AngelChasm+Descent locks him out, but he can discard angel to descent and survive.
2-2
11) Farik - Everybody hates a tourist
Sphere of Resistance, Mishra's Workshop, Epochrasite, Foil, Island
He counters descent, casts Epochrasite and swings with haste every time it comes off suspend to beat Tabernacle.
0-6
12) YuanTi - Last Minute 10 pointer
Chalice of the Void, Epochrasite, Epochrasite, Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance
On the play, I make LED and Tabernacle t1, then play portal, then sac it to chasm and pay 5 if needed for descent.
On the draw, Chalice FTW.
3-3
14) Error1 - Whats the point of disruption.dec
Spectral Procession, Battle Screech, Foil, Black Lotus, Island
I wait it out, playing all 3 lands before casting descent, saccing portal to chasm. If he counters descent he cannot pay for Tabernacle and I sac chasm to it's upkeep. Otherwise I win.
2-2
Looks like I should have gone with Maze of Ith over Tabernacle this week.
X| 1-2-3-4-5-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5
1| X-6-0-6-1-0-0-4-6-6-6-6-0-6 47
2| 0-X-3-0-3-0-3-0-6-0-3-0-0-3 21
3| 6-3-X-6-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-3-0-6 30
4| 0-6-0-X-0-0-6-6-2-6-6-0-6-6 44
5| 4-3-6-6-X-3-4-3-1-0-3-6-0-3 42
7| 6-6-6-6-3-X-3-3-6-0-3-6-0-3 51
8| 6-3-6-0-1-3-X-0-2-6-6-0-6-0 39
9| 1-6-6-0-3-3-6-X-6-6-6-0-6-6 55
0| 0-0-0-2-4-0-2-0-X-0-3-2-0-0 13
1| 0-6-6-0-6-6-0-0-6-X-2-6-1-6 45
2| 0-3-6-0-3-3-0-0-3-2-X-3-3-3 29
3| 0-6-3-6-0-0-6-6-2-0-3-X-2-6 40
4| 6-6-6-0-6-6-0-0-6-4-3-2-X-2 47
5| 0-3-0-0-3-3-6-0-6-0-3-0-2-X 26
One other comment:
Chimpanzee's deck stood out when I was rushing through the decks this morning. I still like it, but the coolest deck is either Thoomor's or ghweiss's. Personally, I prefer ghweiss's because I love digger effects, and being able to destroy lands and counter spells repeatedly is powerful and versatile. Though, I'm also excited whenever I see Glacial Chasm put to good use, so it's hard to say.
Explanations for matches where I disagreed with the posted results:
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
He can play Horobi + Hammerheim off the Eureka killing sekki after pandemonium triggers. If he does not play Eureka then the Specter can make him discard the Pandemonium.
And then discarded again because Descent triggers on his upkeep due to him not having Hellbent.
Nonetheless, hat tip to Mogg for calculating the entire table and making far fewer error than I would have done.
@WhammWhamme> What is the format for #44?
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The rule, as written, is correct.
"You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than 1 card from their hand per turn"
Breakdown:
'more than 1 card from their hand per turn' is distinct from the previous rule, which was 'cannot force a player to discard more than one card in a single turn'.
A more elegant wording is desirable, but has not been found yet.
Notes:
halinn vs Chimpanzee is 6-0 to halinn, since Chimpanzee's combo cannot beat first turn Blazing Spectre (either discard needed mana, or a combo piece). Horobi has nothing to with it, except insofar as Horobi trumps Sekki if he discards Pandemonium.
...which makes me feel a little bit better.
Also... THIS WEEK IS ODDS WEEK.
ODDS WEEK. THE OPPOSITE OF EVENS WEEK!
I certainly have no idea. I'm ver, VER hit-and-miss with formats.
It seems cleaner to not allow card that can make multiple discards per turn as well as disallowing decks that can make multiple discards per turn (swamp, lotus, thoughtseize + fork/twincast for example)
I believe I should have 38 points, not 26
1) 0
2) 4 (win on the play, draw vs. horobi and heavyweights)
3) 3 (chalice wins on the play
4) 0
5) 4 (on the play, chalice stops his lotus, on the draw I can bait him with keg to kill his lotus, which lets me play chalice at zero - however if he just leads with dustbowl + lotus and waits, he can counter my crypt OR wasteland my shop and I can't beat that)
6) 6 - chalice for 2 counters the scepter copies
7) 3 (on the draw I do nothing against moggs combo)
8) 6 (on the draw I can pay for windborn each turn with shop and beat for 9 in the air)
9) 0 (can't beat maze or a swarm of dudes)
10) 6 (on the play, chalice beats him, on the draw eater beats firemane)
11) 0 (on the draw or the play, he counters my crypt and I lose)
12) 3 (on the play I play chalice at 2 then eater, on the draw his chalice at zero counters my crypt)
13) 2
14) 1
So, for example, a spell costing a single Black mana that caused the opponent to discard their entire hand would be legal provided you managed to submit a deck which couldn't generate a single Black mana until turn five!
Cabal Therapy was that card (because the opponent might have submitted a deck containing ive identical cards), but has since been banned because everyone kept forgetting (or in the case of new players, failing to spot) that it was almost never legal to actually use it.
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