I wanted to reply to this thread, but I’m unable to post there.
Let’s say my opponent casts Hypergenesis. They first put Elvish Visionary onto the battlefield. Then, I put Confiscate onto the battlefield enchanting that Elvish Visionary. After that, no one puts any more permanents onto the battlefield.
When triggered abilities are put onto the stack, who controls the Elvish Visionary trigger? The creature entered the battlefield under my opponent’s control, but its triggered ability goes on the stack when it is under my control. Who draws the card?
603.3a A triggered ability is controlled by the player who controlled its source at the time it triggered, unless it’s a delayed triggered ability. To determine the controller of a delayed triggered ability, see rules 603.7d–f.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
(Probably the reason you didn't get a response is that you posted in the wrong section; the Magic Rulings section would be correct for this.)
Oops, you’re right, it’s the wrong forum and I can’t move it now that it’s been created…
Anyway, thanks for your answer! But I’m not sure I understand 100%. Can the triggering of an ability and putting it onto the stack happen at different times? Because the triggered ability can’t go onto the stack while Hypergenesis is still resolving. So at the moment it goes onto the stack, I’m the one who controls the source.
From your answer, I understand that the ability still triggers in the middle of Hypergenesis resolving (under my opponent’s control), but isn’t anywhere until Hypergenesis has finished resolving. Then it goes onto the stack under my opponent’s control, even though I control the source at that moment.
So my question is: does the triggered ability trigger in the middle of Hypergenesis resolving, or at the end? And if it’s in the middle, what would you call the zone it’s in before it goes onto the stack?
Can the triggering of an ability and putting it onto the stack happen at different times?
Yes. In fact, they always do so.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
603.3. Once an ability has triggered, its controller puts it on the stack as an object that’s not a card the next time a player would receive priority. See rule 117, “Timing and Priority.” The ability becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. It remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, a rule causes it to be removed from the stack, or an effect moves it elsewhere.
I wanted to reply to this thread, but I’m unable to post there.
Let’s say my opponent casts Hypergenesis. They first put Elvish Visionary onto the battlefield. Then, I put Confiscate onto the battlefield enchanting that Elvish Visionary. After that, no one puts any more permanents onto the battlefield.
When triggered abilities are put onto the stack, who controls the Elvish Visionary trigger? The creature entered the battlefield under my opponent’s control, but its triggered ability goes on the stack when it is under my control. Who draws the card?
Thanks in advance.
603.3a A triggered ability is controlled by the player who controlled its source at the time it triggered, unless it’s a delayed triggered ability. To determine the controller of a delayed triggered ability, see rules 603.7d–f.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
(Probably the reason you didn't get a response is that you posted in the wrong section; the Magic Rulings section would be correct for this.)
Anyway, thanks for your answer! But I’m not sure I understand 100%. Can the triggering of an ability and putting it onto the stack happen at different times? Because the triggered ability can’t go onto the stack while Hypergenesis is still resolving. So at the moment it goes onto the stack, I’m the one who controls the source.
From your answer, I understand that the ability still triggers in the middle of Hypergenesis resolving (under my opponent’s control), but isn’t anywhere until Hypergenesis has finished resolving. Then it goes onto the stack under my opponent’s control, even though I control the source at that moment.
So my question is: does the triggered ability trigger in the middle of Hypergenesis resolving, or at the end? And if it’s in the middle, what would you call the zone it’s in before it goes onto the stack?
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
603.3. Once an ability has triggered, its controller puts it on the stack as an object that’s not a card the next time a player would receive priority. See rule 117, “Timing and Priority.” The ability becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. It remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, a rule causes it to be removed from the stack, or an effect moves it elsewhere.
It is not in any zone.