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Before we start, just thought I'd let you know that you can go to TheManaDrain to enter in their 3CB Here. They're hurting for players, so please, play both!
MY GOD. 44 entries. 44. Roll that number around on your tongue for a while. This is the largest 3CB of all time. I'm.. just... I'm... phew. Thanks to god child for calculating some matchups to save time.
Turns out I won last month's POTM the good news, however, is that I've finally got the first POTM prize!! Dusk_ and Fadeblue didn't want to give out their adresses, so this is going to reedofalethia/aurorasparrow. I still haven't found the time yet to sit down and make a 3d windowbox card, so to reed I bestow: $10 gift certificate to iTunes.com!
I had it sitting around, and Win98 doesn't work for iTunes :sweat:. I hope you enjoy it; you should find it in your mailbox in a few days!
And if you haven't yet and are an experienced player, be sure to sign up for 3CB Bleague
43 – Kheoinn – Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Diabolic Edict
Legalized Lotus Fun
44 – Alex – Mishra’s Workshop, Black Lotus, Triskelion
Hop 1, 2, 3
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1. shesXmyXsuicide (2) - AnotherThallid.deq - 166
1. Dusk_ (13) - Steel Torture - 166
3. Ankh-Morporkian (33) - I like Village - 162
3. Greebo (36) - Nethack! ehm... Netdeck! ehm... Whatever! - 162
3. Froggystyle (40) - You Sure About That? - 162
6. Chimpanzee (31) - Hammer Time! - 157
7. aurorasparrow (38) - better than it looks.dec - 153
8. SALAd (17) - Bunny and the Echomen - 152
9. Whamme (14) - [I just like it] - 147
10. Dragon_Master (39) - obvious enough - 146
11. deari (23) - Samurai Pizza Dog? - 142
11. KeeperEUSC (42) - Look, I'm Not Original.dec - 142
13. dashieff (26) - Need... Special... Week... Otherwise... No... Focus... - 141
14. Ikaros (29) - Good ol' Tabernacle - 139
15. ImAtHome (34) - Mishra's Jewish Valley Sanctuary- Home of the Circumcision - 137
16. help im a bug (30) - Shoes - 135
17. Goblinboy (1) - Oh Where oh Where Could My Gnomey Be? - 133
17. epeeguy (4) - [I]Old School White Weenie[/I] - 133
19. Kheoinn (43) - Legalized Lotus Fun - 132
20. non_the_road (8) - I Scoop To Everything - 130
20. Bluemage76 (12) - Stutter - 130
22. Billking (25) - D, D, U, HK - 128
23. spuzzem king (11) - There's a Blood Moon on the rise - 127
24. Lone Warrior (7) - Bleh, I want to win.dec - 122
24. Chrome Moxen (9) - stax's form? - 122
24. HKKID (27) - This Deck’s Too Cool to Have a Name - 122
27. bateleur (5) - "Anurid's Revenge !" - 121
28. zorbop (41) - Extremely Boring Deck - 118
29. Quilt (35) - Lord Farquaad goes fishing - 115
30. Quadro (20) - The Miracle and the Sleeper - 114
31. Incinerated (32) - Nursing Home Beats - 112
32. Jedit (10) - Cram Y'Tabernacle Up Y'Ass.dec - 110
33. r_x_ (3) - Proving that Apprentice can win few games.dec - 109
34. Unstable (28) - flying poison - 107
35. Nazgul_Master (15) - Land of the Free - 105
35. Alex (44) - Hop 1, 2, 3 - 105
37. wonkey_donkey (37) - french cheese.dec - 95
38. Alfred (24) - Easy.dec - 91
39. CynicalSquirrel (6) - In the Eyes of God - 65
40. god child (22) - Evangelists - 2 for the price of 1 - 57
41. Kenji (16) - Yeah, discard does suck - 54
42. jcsuperstar (18) - Yarrrrrrrgh! - 50
42. Stax (19) - Goblins! - 50
44. DragonDude2004 (21) - psyched - 35
Congrats to shesXmyXsuicide and Dusk_ for winning 3CB #82 (and with different decks, too. wow.)
Congrats to Stax and spuzzem king for winning "Coolest Deck" and 10 POTM points!
Congrats to Billking for winning "Coolest Deck Title" and 5 POTM points!
Analysis:
(these are on hiatus until further notice. If you want an analysis of your deck, just ask and I'm glad to give them on an individual basis)
Watch list:
Nothin'
Banned cards: PLEASE CHECK YOUR DECK BEFORE SUBMITTING
The Rack
Form of the Dragon
Balance
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Glacial Chasm
Blackmail
Coercion
Pulse of the Dross
Cabal Therapy
Mesmeric Fiend
Abandon Hope
Nezumi Shortfang
Meddling Mage
Leonin Squire
Show and Tell
All ante cards
Any card that forces your opponent to discard more than 1 card a turn.
Any non-mass-produced card (Proposal, 1996 World Champion, etc.)
Unglued
Unhinged
Banned Decks:
*Any deck that can feasibly force your opponent to discard more than 1 card a turn. (The word force here is important. Mind Bomb is still legal, unless combined with Mindslaver ) (NOTE: Remove-From-Hand effects count as discarding)
*Any deck that can feasibly win on the first turn.
The Next Tournament
The next tournament starts right now and will be tabulated on the closing day. Entries will be closed Mar 13, 2005 at midnight PST and results will be posted soon thereafter
THE NEXT TOURNAMENT WILL BE A NORMAL FORMAT!!!
We haven't had a normal for at least two months. Time for a break. Created cards will start next week
PLAYER OF THE MONTH DETAILS
Ways to get points:
+X points for each point you get in a 3CB tournament (i.e. if you get 30 points in a tournament, you get 30 POTM points)
+10 points for winning a "Coolest Deck" title (I will no longer be eligible for this)
+5 points for winning a "Coolest Deck Name" title (I will no longer be eligible for this)
If you have any questions about this format, about the rules, or simply want to see some statistics about the game, visit www.basementdwellers.com/3cb The 3CB page!
On the page, you'll find this week's format, links to [i]all[/i] the 3CB's, and all-time rankings.
[-----------------------------] POTM TROPHY THINGAMAJIGGER
I realized that I'd never seen a Trivia/Games/Contests thread give out real-world prizes for their online games. I thought it might be interesting to try out.
So, every POTM winner (including, retroactively, Dusk_ and Fadeblue) will recieve (assuming they're willing to give me their adress) a customized 3CB trophy. It will be a card from my collection which somehow fits you and will have written on it "3CB POTM WINNER!" and the date.
It's nothing you could sell on eBay but it should be fun nonetheless.
(I'm still working on these)
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Also, everyone, Listen Up:
New format for suggesting corrections:
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Player#1 - Player Name1 - Decklist 1
Player#2 - Player Name2 - Decklist 2
Current Match Score
Suggested Match Score
Explain Why
I'd sincerely appreciate all suggestions being in that format. Having the decklist of what I'm correcting in the post makes things 100% easier for me. Thanks.
ANYway,
Feel free to discuss this week's and next week's 3CB in this thread and post any questions you may have! Good Luck!
deari - good catch. The correct deck is up now. I switched after I transferred everything from the .doc to Hivemaster's program, but before I started doing matches.
By the way, 4CB set a record number of players as well this week (30). Not as much as 3CB, but enough that this might be my first time posting the results a day late
I'm sorry, I must have missed the threated on "Created cards will start in two weeks" what is this about or where is the thread that I can read up on it?
Remind me not to play a deck that gets a lot of draws. 44 players with up to 1 point extra apiece makes a huge swing. I didn't get 3 points from anyone. It was either 0, 1, 2, 4, or 6.
dashieff - thanks for pointing that out; it's actually next week now. Damn that copy/paste.
Anyway, "Created cards" is when I make up cards and you get to use them in 3CB. It's been done before.
And I forgot to add - r_x_: You might find it interesting to know the number of games that Stormscape Apprentice won you: 2. Of all the games you won, only going second against zorbop and first against Keeper were games which you won and Apprentice was why. Every other game you won, Duress did all the work and Merfolk of the Pearl Trident would have been the same outcome (Merfolk would have won some extra games as well; Underground Sea can survive a Tabernacle; Undiscovered Paradise can't). Of course, Apprentice gave you a bunch of draws, but only two wins.
Sorry to do this, but my deck had Rishadan Brigand, not Rishadan Cutpurse. I've found at least 3 matches where it made a difference; when I get the time I'll post suggested corrections.
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One thousand, nine hundred and thirty six matches played...
That's very scary indeed.
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Kenji - Since most decks can empty their hands on turn 1, disruption that doesn't work until turn 2 is fairly pointless.
bateleur - not quite. First of all, there were 3 Scavenger/Rage decks and 3 Vineyard/Tabernacle decks. Each of those only have to be calculated once, so it's like there were only 40 decks.
Then, once I've calculated one half of a match, the other calculates itself (If I know that X got 6 points vs Y, then Y obviously got 0 points vs. X), so that halves it as well.
Looking at the grid, the only matchups I have to calculate are those to the top/right of the line of Xs. As such, I have to do 39+38+37+36...etc. matches, which adds up to be 780 matches. Still a lot, but not 1936
One thousand, nine hundred and thirty six matches played...
That's very scary indeed.
Actually, it's only 946, not counting duplicates.
(Players do not play themselves, so it's 44*43, not 44 squared. Even then, that number is the number of results... the number of matches is half that, because there are two results per match. This gives 44*43/2, or 946.)
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
If he starts, he does his trick. He can only make me discard the Edict. I then play the Skirge on turn 2, kill the Rats the first time he attacks, then hold back. He can't attack again without me blocking and drawing the game.
If I start, I discard the Edict, untap and play the Skirge. If he attacks I block the Rats, take 2, then start racing at 3-2 from 20-18. I win 4-0. If he doesn't attack I start racing at 3-3 from 20-20 - again, I win.
If you play the skirge, he'll just attack with the treasure hunter. You can't block, or he'll beat you down with the rats.
It's time to start bringing your A-game guys! Scouts from the BLeague are looking at how well you do ;).
Anyways, I did decently well for my first time playing 3CB since #12 or so :-).
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Dragon_Master - your deck was good. Standard Rites/Sprit fare. Just do a forums search for "Chimpanzee Nether Spirit" and you'll see how often this deck gets played
DragonDude2003 - Your deck was actually a pretty good deck. You just ran into a metagame full of Swords to Plowshares, Tabernacles, Edicts, etc. It was just a bad metagame for you.
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38 – aurorasparrow – Mox Emerald, Blinkmoth Nexus, Tempting Wurm
better than it looks.dec
Listed result: 3
Correct result: 6
No matter who starts this one, I win. If he plays the Wurm I Edict him before he untaps and it dies, and the Nexus alone cannot race or kill the Skirge - with only two mana sources, it can't pump itself and block. If he doesn't play the Wurm, I Edict him the first time he animates the Nexus to block and after that he can't play the Wurm any more.
Edit: Ohhhh. forgot about Wurm's drawback. Changing
If I start, I play Peat Bog. If he plays Lotus-Scavenger, I untap and Edict before going on to win with the Skirge as he can no longer Regress me. If he plays Lotus only, I untap and play Skirge; if he Regresses it I untap and play Skirge again to win, if he plays Scavenger I untap and Edict to win, if he does nothing I win.
If he starts, he plays Lotus-Scavenger. I play Peat Bog. He regrows Lotus, plays it and attacks for 3. I untap and Edict him so he can't win, but he still has a Lotus and can Regress the Skirge if I play it. Result - draw.
Great job Goblinboy! I would never have the patience for that.
However...
Corrections anyway!(Sorry)
33 – Ankh-Morporkian – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale(and 36 - Greebo and 40 - Froggystyle, since we have the same decks) vs.
17 – SALAd – Black Lotus, City of Traitors, Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Current Score: 0-6
Suggested Score: 3-3
I believe I can race him if I go first, as such:
A1: Village(20-20)
S1: Meloku(20-20)
A2: Vineyard, Tabernacle(20-20)
S2: Upkeep pay for Meloku, burn for 1, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 2(18-18)
A3: Animate Village, attack(18-15)
S3: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(15-14)
A4: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(15-12)
S4: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(12-11)
A5: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(12-9)
S5: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(9-8)
A6: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(9-6)
S6: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(6-5)
A7: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(6-3)
S7: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(3-2)
A8: Animate Village, attack(3-0)
If he simply attacks with the token, leaving Meloku back to block, he burns for 1 a turn, while I take 1 a turn, and it looks basically the same.
33 – Ankh-Morporkian – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale(and 36 - Greebo and 40 - Froggystyle, since we have the same decks) vs.
31 – Chimpanzee – Black Lotus, Hammerheim, Horobi, Death’s Wail
Current Score: 0-6
Suggested Score: 3-3
He can't Hammerheim the Village, because he needs the mana to pay for Tabernacle, leading to the following race:
A1: Village(20-20)
C1: Horobi(20-20)
A2: Vineyard, Tabernacle(20-20)
C2: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(16-18)
A3: Animate Village, attack(16-15)
C3: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(12-13)
A4: Animate Village, attack(12-10)
C4: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(8-8)
A5: Animate Village, attack(8-5)
C5: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(4-3)
A6: Animate Village, attack(4-0)
All in all, however, great job:-) I can't believe you did all that. And now, you're going to add to that by doing the BLeague?? I feel a little sorry for you. Good Luck!:biggrin3:
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He can, but only the first time, then in his main phase he burns for 2, making it the same. After that, he needs the mana to pay for his non-summoning-sick token and his Meloku. I don't know...an ugly match. I'm not sure I did it right.
Before we start, just thought I'd let you know that you can go to TheManaDrain to enter in their 3CB Here. They're hurting for players, so please, play both!
MY GOD. 44 entries. 44. Roll that number around on your tongue for a while. This is the largest 3CB of all time. I'm.. just... I'm... phew. Thanks to god child for calculating some matchups to save time.
Turns out I won last month's POTM the good news, however, is that I've finally got the first POTM prize!! Dusk_ and Fadeblue didn't want to give out their adresses, so this is going to reedofalethia/aurorasparrow. I still haven't found the time yet to sit down and make a 3d windowbox card, so to reed I bestow:
$10 gift certificate to iTunes.com!
I had it sitting around, and Win98 doesn't work for iTunes :sweat:. I hope you enjoy it; you should find it in your mailbox in a few days!
And if you haven't yet and are an experienced player, be sure to sign up for 3CB Bleague
NOTE TO ALL: The 3CB page has moved, and now it is without ads! :D!
www.basementdwellers.com/3CB
1 - Goblinboy – Forest, Eladamri's Vineyard, Words of Wilding
Oh Where oh Where Could My Gnomey Be?
2 – shesXmyXsuicide – Tropical Island, Thallid, Chain of Vapor
AnotherThallid.deq
3 – r_x_ - Undiscovered Paradise, Stormscape Apprentice, Duress
Proving that Apprentice can win few games.dec
4 – epeeguy – Plains, Savannah Lions, Swords to Plowshares
[I]Old School White Weenie[/I]
5 – bateleur – Black Lotus, Anurid Scavenger, Regress
"Anurid's Revenge !"
6 – CynicalSquirrel – Black Lotus, Gods’ Eye, Gate to the Reikai, Braids, Cabal Minion
In the Eyes of God
7 – Lone Warrior – Black Lotus, Anurid Scavenger, Misguided Rage
Bleh, I want to win.dec
8 – non_the_road – Lion’s Eye Diamond, Arrogant Wurm, Nether Spirit
I Scoop To Everything
9 – Chrome Moxen – Black Lotus, Anurid Scavenger, Misguided Rage
stax's form?
10 – Jedit – Peat Bog, Diabolic Edict, Skittering Skirge
Cram Y'Tabernacle Up Y'Ass.dec
11 – spuzzem king – Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Blood Moon
There's a Blood Moon on the rise
12 – Bluemage76 – Mox Sapphire, Mishra’s Factory, Hesitation
Stutter
13 – Dusk_ - Mishra’s Workshop, Steel Golem, Wheel of Torture
Steel Torture
14 – Whamme – Mishra’s Workshop, Sphere of Resistance, Arcbound Slith
[I just like it]
15 – Nazgul_Master – Rishadan Port, Mishra’s Factory, Maze of Ith
Land of the Free
16 – Kenji – Peat Bog, Ravenous Rats, Ravenous Rats
Yeah, discard does suck
17 – SALAd – Black Lotus, City of Traitors, Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Bunny and the Echomen
18 – jcsuperstar – Saprazzan Cove, Capsize, Rishadan Brigand
Yarrrrrrrgh!
19 – Stax – Mountain, Goblin Lackey, Goblin Dynamo
Goblins!
20 – Quadro – Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Ravenous Rats
The Miracle and the Sleeper
21 – DragonDude2004 – Sandstone Needle, Varchild’s War-Riders, Brand
psyched
22 – god child – Fountain of Cho, Preacher, Devout Witness
Evangelists - 2 for the price of 1
23 – deari – Karakas, Isamaru, Hound of Konda, Swords to Plowshares
Samurai Pizza Dog?
24 – Alfred – Mishra’s Factory, Mox Pearl, Seal of Cleansing
Easy.dec
25 – Billking – City of Traitors, Isochron Scepter, Incinerate
D, D, U, HK
26 – dashieff – Mishra’s Factory, Mox Pearl, Swords to Plowshares
Need... Special... Week... Otherwise... No... Focus...
27 – HKKID – Black Lotus, Anurid Scavenger, Misguided Rage
This Deck’s Too Cool to Have a Name
28 – Unstable – Black Lotus, Swamp Mosquito, Duress
flying poison
29 – Ikaros – Mishra’s Factory, Rishadan Port, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Good ol' Tabernacle
30 – help im a bug – Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Lavaborn Muse
Shoes
31 – Chimpanzee – Black Lotus, Hammerheim, Horobi, Death’s Wail
Hammer Time!
32 – Incinerated – Black Lotus, Academy Researchers, Mythic Proportions
Nursing Home Beats
33 – Ankh-Morporkian – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
I like Village
34 – ImAtHome – Mishra’s Factory, Sheltered Valley, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Jewish Valley Sanctuary- Home of the Circumcision
35 – Quilt – Mishra’s Workshop, Black Lotus, Leveler
Lord Farquaad goes fishing
36 – Greebo – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Nethack! ehm... Netdeck! ehm... Whatever!
37 – wonkey_donkey – Subterranean Hangar, Visara, the Dreadful, Maze of Ith
french cheese.dec
38 – aurorasparrow – Mox Emerald, Blinkmoth Nexus, Tempting Wurm
better than it looks.dec
39 – Dragon_Master – Black Lotus, Last Rites, Nether Spirit
obvious enough.
40 – Froggystyle – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
You Sure About That?
41 – zorbop – Saprazzan Skerry, Scalding Tongs, Energy Field
Extremely Boring Deck
42 – KeeperEUSC – Mishra’s Workshop, Trinisphere, Ferropede
Look, I'm Not Original.dec
43 – Kheoinn – Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Diabolic Edict
Legalized Lotus Fun
44 – Alex – Mishra’s Workshop, Black Lotus, Triskelion
Hop 1, 2, 3
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Results:
XX|1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4
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01|X-6-0-6-6-2-3-6-3-6-6-0-0-0-3-3-0-6-6-0-6-6-6-0-2-6-3-3-1-0-0-0-0-2-3-0-6-6-0-0-6-3-6-6 = 133
02|0-X-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-0-3-6-0-1-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-6-0-6-3-0-6-6-6-0-0-6-0-6-0-4-0-6-3-2-6 = 166
03|6-0-X-2-3-4-3-3-3-2-3-4-1-2-0-0-3-0-2-3-6-0-2-3-3-4-3-4-0-1-3-4-2-0-4-2-0-3-3-2-6-3-4-3 = 109
04|0-6-2-X-6-6-6-0-6-2-6-2-0-1-2-1-6-6-6-0-6-2-2-6-0-2-6-3-2-6-6-6-0-2-6-0-2-2-1-0-0-1-2-6 = 133
05|0-0-3-0-X-2-2-2-2-1-6-3-0-0-2-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-4-0-2-3-0-6-4-6-0-0-6-0-6-0-3-0-6-0-2-2 = 121
06|2-0-1-0-2-X-2-0-2-2-2-0-2-1-2-2-2-2-2-0-2-2-0-2-2-2-2-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-0-2-2-2-0-0 = 65
07|3-0-3-0-2-2-X-3-2-4-6-3-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-3-2-2-3-0-6-0-6-0-0-0-0-6-0-3-0-6-0-0-0 = 122
08|0-0-3-6-2-6-3-X-3-3-6-3-6-3-2-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-4-6-6-2-3-3-2-0-0-0-0-2-2-0-0-0-3-0-0-3-6-6 = 130
09|3-0-3-0-2-2-2-3-X-4-6-3-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-3-2-2-3-0-6-0-6-0-0-0-0-6-0-3-0-6-0-0-0 = 122
10|0-6-2-2-4-2-1-3-1-X-0-6-0-0-2-6-3-2-3-0-6-6-2-6-0-2-1-6-0-6-6-6-0-2-6-0-2-6-0-0-0-0-2-2 = 110
11|0-3-3-0-0-2-0-0-0-6-X-3-3-3-6-6-3-6-2-0-6-6-4-2-6-2-0-3-6-0-0-0-6-6-3-6-6-0-1-6-6-3-0-3 = 127
12|6-0-1-2-3-6-3-3-3-0-3-X-0-2-0-6-3-6-4-4-6-0-2-3-3-4-3-3-1-3-3-3-6-2-3-6-2-3-3-6-2-3-2-3 = 130
13|6-6-4-6-6-2-0-0-0-6-3-6-X-1-6-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-6-0-0-0-0-6-6-0-6-0-6-0-0-6-6-6 = 166
14|6-4-2-4-6-4-6-3-6-6-3-2-4-X-0-6-3-6-4-3-6-3-4-1-6-0-6-6-0-3-3-3-2-0-0-2-0-1-3-2-6-6-3-3 = 147
15|3-0-6-2-2-2-0-2-0-2-0-6-0-6-X-6-0-2-6-2-0-2-2-2-0-2-0-3-4-0-2-2-6-2-2-6-2-2-2-6-1-6-2-2 = 105
16|3-0-6-4-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-X-0-6-3-0-6-6-0-2-0-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-2-0-0-6-0-0-0-6-0-0-0 = 54
17|6-0-3-0-0-2-3-6-3-3-3-3-6-3-6-6-X-6-6-3-6-6-0-6-6-0-3-3-6-0-0-0-6-6-0-6-6-6-3-6-0-3-0-6 = 152
18|0-0-6-0-0-2-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-2-0-0-X-0-2-0-0-0-2-6-2-0-6-0-3-6-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-2-0-6-0-2-0 = 50
19|0-0-2-0-0-2-0-0-0-3-2-1-0-1-0-3-0-6-X-0-3-6-0-2-3-0-0-6-3-0-0-0-0-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-0-0 = 50
20|6-0-3-6-0-6-0-0-0-6-6-1-0-3-2-6-3-2-6-X-6-2-2-2-3-2-0-3-2-3-3-3-0-2-3-0-3-3-1-0-6-3-3-3 = 114
21|0-0-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-6-3-0-X-6-0-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 = 35
22|0-0-6-2-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-3-2-0-0-6-0-2-0-X-0-6-0-2-0-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-0-6-0-2-0 = 57
23|0-6-2-2-6-6-6-1-6-2-1-2-0-1-2-6-6-6-6-2-6-6-X-6-0-2-6-3-2-6-6-6-0-2-6-0-2-6-1-0-0-3-2-2 = 142
24|6-0-3-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-2-3-0-4-2-2-0-2-2-2-0-0-0-X-6-2-0-3-2-0-0-2-6-6-6-6-0-0-1-6-6-3-0-6 = 91
25|2-0-3-6-1-2-3-0-3-6-0-3-0-0-6-6-0-0-3-3-6-6-6-0-X-6-3-3-6-6-0-0-6-6-0-6-6-0-3-6-0-0-6-0 = 128
26|0-6-1-2-6-2-2-2-2-2-2-1-0-6-2-6-6-2-6-2-6-2-2-2-0-X-2-3-2-6-6-6-6-2-6-6-2-6-1-6-0-3-2-6 = 141
27|3-0-3-0-2-2-2-3-2-4-6-3-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-6-6-6-0-6-3-2-X-3-0-6-0-6-0-0-0-0-6-0-3-0-6-0-0-0 = 122
28|3-3-1-3-3-4-3-3-3-0-3-3-0-0-3-6-3-0-0-3-6-0-3-3-3-3-3-X-0-3-3-3-2-0-3-2-0-3-3-2-6-3-3-3 = 107
29|4-6-6-2-6-2-6-2-6-6-0-4-0-6-1-2-0-6-3-2-6-6-2-2-0-2-6-6-X-0-0-6-2-2-6-2-2-0-2-2-1-6-2-6 = 139
30|6-0-4-0-0-2-0-6-0-0-6-3-6-3-6-6-6-3-6-3-6-6-0-6-0-0-0-3-6-X-0-0-6-6-0-6-6-3-3-6-0-4-0-2 = 135
31|6-0-3-0-1-2-6-6-6-0-6-3-6-3-2-6-6-0-6-3-6-6-0-6-6-0-6-3-6-6-X-6-3-6-6-3-2-6-3-3-0-3-0-0 = 157
32|6-0-1-0-0-2-0-6-0-0-6-3-6-3-2-6-6-6-6-3-6-6-0-2-6-0-0-3-0-6-0-X-0-0-2-0-0-6-3-0-1-3-0-6 = 112
33|6-6-2-6-6-2-6-6-6-6-0-0-6-2-0-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-0-0-6-2-2-0-3-6-X-1-6-3-6-0-2-3-6-2-6-6 = 162
34|2-6-6-2-6-2-6-2-6-2-0-2-0-6-2-2-0-6-1-2-6-6-2-0-0-2-6-6-2-0-0-6-4-X-6-4-0-0-6-4-2-6-2-6 = 137
35|3-0-1-0-0-2-6-2-6-0-3-3-0-6-2-6-6-6-6-3-6-6-0-0-6-0-6-3-0-6-0-2-0-0-X-0-0-6-3-0-1-3-0-6 = 115
36|6-6-2-6-6-2-6-6-6-6-0-0-6-2-0-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-0-0-6-2-2-3-0-6-3-1-6-X-6-0-2-3-6-2-6-6 = 162
37|0-0-6-2-0-2-0-6-0-2-0-2-0-6-2-0-0-4-6-3-0-0-2-6-0-2-0-6-2-0-2-6-0-6-6-0-X-6-2-0-0-0-2-6 = 95
38|0-6-3-2-6-2-6-6-6-0-6-3-6-4-2-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-0-6-6-0-6-3-6-3-0-0-6-6-0-6-0-X-3-6-0-3-0-2 = 153
39|6-1-3-4-3-6-3-3-3-6-4-3-0-3-2-6-3-2-6-4-6-6-4-4-3-4-3-3-2-3-3-3-2-0-3-2-2-3-X-2-6-3-4-4 = 146
40|6-6-2-6-6-2-6-6-6-6-0-0-6-2-0-6-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-0-0-0-6-2-2-0-3-6-3-1-6-3-6-0-2-X-6-2-6-6 = 162
41|0-0-0-6-0-2-0-6-0-6-0-2-6-0-4-0-6-0-6-0-6-0-6-0-6-6-0-0-4-6-6-4-0-2-4-0-6-6-0-0-X-0-6-6 = 118
42|3-3-3-4-6-2-6-3-6-6-3-3-0-0-0-6-3-6-3-3-6-6-3-3-6-3-6-3-0-1-3-3-2-0-3-2-6-3-3-2-6-X-3-0 = 142
43|0-2-1-2-2-6-6-0-6-2-6-2-0-3-2-6-6-2-6-3-6-2-2-6-0-2-6-3-2-6-6-6-0-2-6-0-2-6-1-0-0-3-X-2 = 132
44|0-0-3-0-2-6-6-0-6-2-3-3-0-3-2-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-2-0-6-0-6-3-0-2-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-1-0-0-6-2-X = 105
1. shesXmyXsuicide (2) - AnotherThallid.deq - 166
1. Dusk_ (13) - Steel Torture - 166
3. Ankh-Morporkian (33) - I like Village - 162
3. Greebo (36) - Nethack! ehm... Netdeck! ehm... Whatever! - 162
3. Froggystyle (40) - You Sure About That? - 162
6. Chimpanzee (31) - Hammer Time! - 157
7. aurorasparrow (38) - better than it looks.dec - 153
8. SALAd (17) - Bunny and the Echomen - 152
9. Whamme (14) - [I just like it] - 147
10. Dragon_Master (39) - obvious enough - 146
11. deari (23) - Samurai Pizza Dog? - 142
11. KeeperEUSC (42) - Look, I'm Not Original.dec - 142
13. dashieff (26) - Need... Special... Week... Otherwise... No... Focus... - 141
14. Ikaros (29) - Good ol' Tabernacle - 139
15. ImAtHome (34) - Mishra's Jewish Valley Sanctuary- Home of the Circumcision - 137
16. help im a bug (30) - Shoes - 135
17. Goblinboy (1) - Oh Where oh Where Could My Gnomey Be? - 133
17. epeeguy (4) - [I]Old School White Weenie[/I] - 133
19. Kheoinn (43) - Legalized Lotus Fun - 132
20. non_the_road (8) - I Scoop To Everything - 130
20. Bluemage76 (12) - Stutter - 130
22. Billking (25) - D, D, U, HK - 128
23. spuzzem king (11) - There's a Blood Moon on the rise - 127
24. Lone Warrior (7) - Bleh, I want to win.dec - 122
24. Chrome Moxen (9) - stax's form? - 122
24. HKKID (27) - This Deck’s Too Cool to Have a Name - 122
27. bateleur (5) - "Anurid's Revenge !" - 121
28. zorbop (41) - Extremely Boring Deck - 118
29. Quilt (35) - Lord Farquaad goes fishing - 115
30. Quadro (20) - The Miracle and the Sleeper - 114
31. Incinerated (32) - Nursing Home Beats - 112
32. Jedit (10) - Cram Y'Tabernacle Up Y'Ass.dec - 110
33. r_x_ (3) - Proving that Apprentice can win few games.dec - 109
34. Unstable (28) - flying poison - 107
35. Nazgul_Master (15) - Land of the Free - 105
35. Alex (44) - Hop 1, 2, 3 - 105
37. wonkey_donkey (37) - french cheese.dec - 95
38. Alfred (24) - Easy.dec - 91
39. CynicalSquirrel (6) - In the Eyes of God - 65
40. god child (22) - Evangelists - 2 for the price of 1 - 57
41. Kenji (16) - Yeah, discard does suck - 54
42. jcsuperstar (18) - Yarrrrrrrgh! - 50
42. Stax (19) - Goblins! - 50
44. DragonDude2004 (21) - psyched - 35
Congrats to shesXmyXsuicide and Dusk_ for winning 3CB #82 (and with different decks, too. wow.)
Congrats to Stax and spuzzem king for winning "Coolest Deck" and 10 POTM points!
Congrats to Billking for winning "Coolest Deck Title" and 5 POTM points!
Analysis:
(these are on hiatus until further notice. If you want an analysis of your deck, just ask and I'm glad to give them on an individual basis)
Watch list:
Nothin'
Banned cards:
PLEASE CHECK YOUR DECK BEFORE SUBMITTING
The Rack
Form of the Dragon
Balance
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Glacial Chasm
Blackmail
Coercion
Pulse of the Dross
Cabal Therapy
Mesmeric Fiend
Abandon Hope
Nezumi Shortfang
Meddling Mage
Leonin Squire
Show and Tell
All ante cards
Any card that forces your opponent to discard more than 1 card a turn.
Any non-mass-produced card (Proposal, 1996 World Champion, etc.)
Unglued
Unhinged
Banned Decks:
*Any deck that can feasibly force your opponent to discard more than 1 card a turn. (The word force here is important. Mind Bomb is still legal, unless combined with Mindslaver ) (NOTE: Remove-From-Hand effects count as discarding)
*Any deck that can feasibly win on the first turn.
The Next Tournament
The next tournament starts right now and will be tabulated on the closing day. Entries will be closed Mar 13, 2005 at midnight PST and results will be posted soon thereafter
THE NEXT TOURNAMENT WILL BE A NORMAL FORMAT!!!
We haven't had a normal for at least two months. Time for a break. Created cards will start next week
PLAYER OF THE MONTH DETAILS
Ways to get points:
+X points for each point you get in a 3CB tournament (i.e. if you get 30 points in a tournament, you get 30 POTM points)
+10 points for winning a "Coolest Deck" title (I will no longer be eligible for this)
+5 points for winning a "Coolest Deck Name" title (I will no longer be eligible for this)
If you have any questions about this format, about the rules, or simply want to see some statistics about the game, visit www.basementdwellers.com/3cb The 3CB page!
On the page, you'll find this week's format, links to [i]all[/i] the 3CB's, and all-time rankings.
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POTM TROPHY THINGAMAJIGGER
I realized that I'd never seen a Trivia/Games/Contests thread give out real-world prizes for their online games. I thought it might be interesting to try out.
So, every POTM winner (including, retroactively, Dusk_ and Fadeblue) will recieve (assuming they're willing to give me their adress) a customized 3CB trophy. It will be a card from my collection which somehow fits you and will have written on it "3CB POTM WINNER!" and the date.
It's nothing you could sell on eBay but it should be fun nonetheless.
(I'm still working on these)
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Also, everyone, Listen Up:
New format for suggesting corrections:
I'd sincerely appreciate all suggestions being in that format. Having the decklist of what I'm correcting in the post makes things 100% easier for me. Thanks.
ANYway,
Feel free to discuss this week's and next week's 3CB in this thread and post any questions you may have! Good Luck!
-Goblinboy
Legendary Conformity
17. Goblinboy (1) - Oh Where oh Where Could My Gnomey Be? - 133
Are you sure you put the right deck down for yourself?
deari - good catch. The correct deck is up now. I switched after I transferred everything from the .doc to Hivemaster's program, but before I started doing matches.
-Goblinboy
Anyway, "Created cards" is when I make up cards and you get to use them in 3CB. It's been done before.
And I forgot to add - r_x_: You might find it interesting to know the number of games that Stormscape Apprentice won you: 2. Of all the games you won, only going second against zorbop and first against Keeper were games which you won and Apprentice was why. Every other game you won, Duress did all the work and Merfolk of the Pearl Trident would have been the same outcome (Merfolk would have won some extra games as well; Underground Sea can survive a Tabernacle; Undiscovered Paradise can't). Of course, Apprentice gave you a bunch of draws, but only two wins.
-Goblinboy
It was fun though
Don't worry, I played it as Brigand.
What were the mistakes? (now they're actual mistakes, whoo! :p)
-Goblinboy
That's very scary indeed.
(I'm on on this site much anymore. If you want to get in touch it's probably best to email me: dom@heffalumps.org)
Forum Awards: Best Writer 2005, Best Limited Strategist 2005-2012
5CB PotM - June 2005, November 2005, February 2006, April 2008, May 2008, Feb 2009
MTGSalvation Articles: 1-20, plus guest appearance on MTGCast #86!
<Limited Clan>
bateleur - not quite. First of all, there were 3 Scavenger/Rage decks and 3 Vineyard/Tabernacle decks. Each of those only have to be calculated once, so it's like there were only 40 decks.
Then, once I've calculated one half of a match, the other calculates itself (If I know that X got 6 points vs Y, then Y obviously got 0 points vs. X), so that halves it as well.
Looking at the grid, the only matchups I have to calculate are those to the top/right of the line of Xs. As such, I have to do 39+38+37+36...etc. matches, which adds up to be 780 matches. Still a lot, but not 1936
-Goblinboy
Banner and avatar by Maxeel at Midnight GFX
(Players do not play themselves, so it's 44*43, not 44 squared. Even then, that number is the number of results... the number of matches is half that, because there are two results per match. This gives 44*43/2, or 946.)
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
If you play the skirge, he'll just attack with the treasure hunter. You can't block, or he'll beat you down with the rats.
Anyways, I did decently well for my first time playing 3CB since #12 or so :-).
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[Founder - Casual Council]
[Creator - Group 'Make A Deck']
[Implementor - 3 Card Blind]
[MUD Admin]
[Dominion of Chaos (DoC)]
Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpgjnU7C3Aw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7kkZixasc
DragonDude2003 - Your deck was actually a pretty good deck. You just ran into a metagame full of Swords to Plowshares, Tabernacles, Edicts, etc. It was just a bad metagame for you.
Edit: Ohhhh. forgot about Wurm's drawback. Changing
You are correct on this one. Changing.
-Goblinboy
However...
Corrections anyway!(Sorry)
33 – Ankh-Morporkian – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale(and 36 - Greebo and 40 - Froggystyle, since we have the same decks) vs.
17 – SALAd – Black Lotus, City of Traitors, Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Current Score: 0-6
Suggested Score: 3-3
I believe I can race him if I go first, as such:
A1: Village(20-20)
S1: Meloku(20-20)
A2: Vineyard, Tabernacle(20-20)
S2: Upkeep pay for Meloku, burn for 1, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 2(18-18)
A3: Animate Village, attack(18-15)
S3: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(15-14)
A4: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(15-12)
S4: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(12-11)
A5: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(12-9)
S5: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(9-8)
A6: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(9-6)
S6: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(6-5)
A7: Animate Village, attack, blocked by token(6-3)
S7: Upkeep pay for Meloku and token, main phase make a token, burn for 1, attack for 3(3-2)
A8: Animate Village, attack(3-0)
If he simply attacks with the token, leaving Meloku back to block, he burns for 1 a turn, while I take 1 a turn, and it looks basically the same.
33 – Ankh-Morporkian – Treetop Village, Eladamri’s Vineyard, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale(and 36 - Greebo and 40 - Froggystyle, since we have the same decks) vs.
31 – Chimpanzee – Black Lotus, Hammerheim, Horobi, Death’s Wail
Current Score: 0-6
Suggested Score: 3-3
He can't Hammerheim the Village, because he needs the mana to pay for Tabernacle, leading to the following race:
A1: Village(20-20)
C1: Horobi(20-20)
A2: Vineyard, Tabernacle(20-20)
C2: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(16-18)
A3: Animate Village, attack(16-15)
C3: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(12-13)
A4: Animate Village, attack(12-10)
C4: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(8-8)
A5: Animate Village, attack(8-5)
C5: pay upkeep, burn for 2, attack for 4(4-3)
A6: Animate Village, attack(4-0)
That's how to remember my name. Or, you could just read the Discworld Novels by Terry Pratchett. I recommend the second method.:)
And dear god, it's on the INTERNET! It has to be true!
...riight.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
I'll change them when I change the others... with due time
-Goblinboy
He can, but only the first time, then in his main phase he burns for 2, making it the same. After that, he needs the mana to pay for his non-summoning-sick token and his Meloku. I don't know...an ugly match. I'm not sure I did it right.
That's how to remember my name. Or, you could just read the Discworld Novels by Terry Pratchett. I recommend the second method.:)
And dear god, it's on the INTERNET! It has to be true!
...riight.