Dear members of MtG Salvation, we are pleased to announce one of the most substantial changes to MtG Salvation policy in the site's history; the change to the banned member policy.
Until today, it used to be that if you get banned, you get banned permanently, with no possibility of a return. Not too long ago, we didn't even have an appeal process for banned or suspended members, and members who got banned, deservedly so or not, had two choices: either stay away from MtG Salvation forever, or make gimmick accounts to evade their bans.
However, this site is now quite old, and members who were banned as irresponsible teenagers might now be adults. People mature, people change. In quite a few cases, keeping these members away from the site is doing a disservice to the site and the community. This is something the MtG Salvation staff recognizes, and as such, we are changing our policy regarding banned members. The new policy is as follows:
If a member is banned, that member may appeal his or her ban in the Ban/Suspension Appeal Forum.
If the appeal is denied, it's a default one year off, with circumstances considered.
After that period, another appeal can be lodged. If this appeal is denied, another year must pass before another appeal is reviewed, ad nauseam.
At the point that a user can be determined to show an understanding of their reason for being banned & displays a genuine interest in reforming their character, they will be unbanned under a condition of a 1-year probation.
During this 1-year period, infractions are lengthened to approximately the remaining term of the probation (with the 40-day norm still a minimum; infractions will be set to a length equal to the number of weeks remaining to the probation, rounded up). Any suspension resulting in this time period will result in a return to banned member status.
Gimmick evasion of these conditions at any time means that the time until another appeal is reconsidered increases by one year.
Members who have been guilty of ripping, posting malicious links or other very severe offenses, will under no circumstance be allowed back on MtG Salvation.
New Banned Member Policy FAQ:
Q: How does this policy affect previously banned members?
A: The new policy applies to previously banned members as well. Meaning, if they have been banned for a minimum of one year, they may post an appeal for the staff to review.
Q: What about members who evaded their ban/suspension in the past?
A: These members will have the same rights as other banned members in regards to a ban appeal. Since it historically has been so that the only way for a member to resume activity on MtG Salvation after being banned, is to make a gimmick, and that an appeal process has been practically non-existent, these members will also get a shot at an appeal.
Q: Does this mean we will be overrun with previously banned members?
A: Unlikely. These appeals will be considered carefully, and only those who show signs of reformation and a clear intention and will to come back and be a productive member of the community, are allowed to return.
Q: Will the community know when a previously banned member has been unbanned?
A: Whenever a previously banned user gets unbanned and is put on probation, a post in the "Currently Suspended/Banned Users" thread will explain it.
Q: Can we request members to be unbanned?
A: We will only consider appeals submitted by the banned member in question. You can certainly encourage this member to appeal, but we will not review appeals on behalf of other members.
Additionally, if a member has been banned from MtG Salvation in the past and is currently using a gimmick account, we ask that that member step forward and tell us in the Staff Inbox. If that member does this, he or she will be immediately allowed to appeal, and may, if circumstances dictate it, stay unbanned on the terms of a 1-year probation. However, starting June 1st, 2012, ban evading members will, once again, be banned once uncovered.
You are welcome to post your questions and comments in this thread, and we will answer to the best of our ability.
Thanks,
The MtG Salvation Staff
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Can previously banned members start appealing now, or will they have to wait a year?
For example, Banned member X makes gimmick Y and got banned two months ago. Can he appeal and try and get unbanned, or does he have to wait ten months?
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Q: What about members who evaded their ban/suspension in the past?
A: These members will have the same rights as other banned members in regards to a ban appeal. Since it historically has been so that the only way for a member to resume activity on MtG Salvation after being banned, is to make a gimmick, and that an appeal process has been practically non-existent, these members will also get a shot at an appeal.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense. I've often wondered why something similar wasn't already in affect, but the fact that we are now in a position to accept this shows a great deal of progress has been made.
• Members who have been guilty of ripping, posting malicious links or other very severe offenses, will under no circumstance be allowed back on MtG Salvation.
• Members who have been guilty of ripping, posting malicious links or other very severe offenses, will under no circumstance be allowed back on MtG Salvation.
I think the question was more about people who have been banned only from Market Street for poor trading practices, yet still allowed to participate elsewhere on the site.
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No, we are not considering Trade Ban appeals at this time.
What about trade bans due to being underaged? Poor trading practices is one thing but trade bans due to being underaged is probably the one thing time can cure.
What about trade bans due to being underaged? Poor trading practices is one thing but trade bans due to being underaged is probably the one thing time can cure.
The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
Ah, I see. The link never actually said that it was in place -- just that the appeal process is being "prepared" or "in the works" but it is good to know that this is already in place.
Ah, I see. The link never actually said that it was in place -- just that the appeal process is being "prepared" or "in the works" but it is good to know that this is already in place.
Yep, Market Street has been handling them as they come up.
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The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
Ah, I see. The link never actually said that it was in place -- just that the appeal process is being "prepared" or "in the works" but it is good to know that this is already in place.
I actually went through ALL of the underage bans that hadn't gimmicked up and PM'd them saying "hint hint, here's a new rule you should check out" and a number have already been reinstated. Those that evaded their ban were site-banned, but can go through the normal Site-ban process as discussed above.
Nice gesture but one not likely to make much of an impact. The only banned person I'd really care to see come back is Ixi/sleeping_villain. Though somewhere deep in my twisted soul I kinda though Dr Jeebus was cool.
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The section referring to the Staff Inbox is for a banned user already operating on a gimmick, for the temporary amnesty period.
For example, Banned member X makes gimmick Y and got banned two months ago. Can he appeal and try and get unbanned, or does he have to wait ten months?
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As in, immediately. This is how it works currently.
• If the appeal is denied, it's a default one year off, with circumstances considered.
This is where things get new.
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A: These members will have the same rights as other banned members in regards to a ban appeal. Since it historically has been so that the only way for a member to resume activity on MtG Salvation after being banned, is to make a gimmick, and that an appeal process has been practically non-existent, these members will also get a shot at an appeal.
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I don't think you should be calling these appeals. A appeal means you're arguing that the original ban was improper.
Calling them pardon or reinstatement requests would be more appropriate.
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Word is you got beaten down trying to push through something like this. Shoulders of giants & all that. The staff has seen quite a culture change.
I think the question was more about people who have been banned only from Market Street for poor trading practices, yet still allowed to participate elsewhere on the site.
Well, props to the staff for making progress, then.
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What about trade bans due to being underaged? Poor trading practices is one thing but trade bans due to being underaged is probably the one thing time can cure.
Those bans have been appeal-able for a while now.
The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
Ah, I see. The link never actually said that it was in place -- just that the appeal process is being "prepared" or "in the works" but it is good to know that this is already in place.
Yep, Market Street has been handling them as they come up.
The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
I actually went through ALL of the underage bans that hadn't gimmicked up and PM'd them saying "hint hint, here's a new rule you should check out" and a number have already been reinstated. Those that evaded their ban were site-banned, but can go through the normal Site-ban process as discussed above.
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Sorry about not having questions or concerns, or no new ones from earlier today, but this seems to be a change in things; it sounds good.
Anyway, I'm glad to see this change. Though most people will not be deserving of an unban, it's good we have the system for the few who are.
Thanks for doing the extra work.
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