One thing which I have consistently noticed on these forums is people abusing the quote button, needlessly copying large blocks of texts, decklists, etc in order to make a one sentence post. This results in cluttered looking threads that are unpleasant to read, and makes the posters in question look like they were too lazy to simply use bbcode tags and copy-paste only the relevant portions of a previous post.
I did a search in this subforum and didn't come up with anything, but perhaps it has been discussed before, and if so, I apologize for dredging up old horses from the graveyard. One thing I've seen work quite well on another vBulletin forum I frequent is the removal of the quote button entirely, forcing users to be a little more conscientious with that feature.
Postslikethis are quite common, and reposting entire paragraphs to add a single sentence of commentary is simply crude, lazy behaviour. It makes threads unpleasant to read at times.
Another related abuse (which I can't currently find a goodfound an example for) is when people over-use quotations, and nitpick others to death sentence by sentence, often out of context, rather than make a single coherent counter-argument. It is poor debate style, results in lots of back-and-forth, and shows a lack of respect for other user's thoughts.
I have seen a few of these posts infracted as spam, but only a tiny minority. I would suggest that the role of the quote button would be a worthy subject of discussion, and that something be done to clean up threads where half the contents get repeated through over-zealous quotations.
I don't know if that something that should be heavily stepped into by mods.
I completely understand your point, but on the other hand, people have different styles of replying. There's also the matter that people might complain of over-moderation.
All of those examples could be defensible without seeing the thread. (Assuming that none of them would be spam without the quote part, not my place to say.)
A lot of thread topics get derailed or go off in a certain direction. If I want to say something short but unspammy like, "Null Rod wasn't in Florian's maindeck, that was a coverage error," but people are currently talking about... I don't know, the price of dark confidant, and have been for the last ten pages, I'll have to quote the post I'm talking about in order to reply.
Is my one sentence post spam? No, it contains helpful information. Is the quote spam? No, because no one will know what I'm talking about otherwise.
There is usually a considerate compromise that can be made, like shortening a giant quote into only the relevant part, but can you imagine mods handing out warnings for things like "only quote the part relevant to what you're saying?" That would be an awful mess.
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The other extreme of this is the inability to respond to a post as a whole and quoting multitudes of lines. Personally I'd like to see people conjure up the wit to make a concise response to posts instead of resorting to breaking them down line by line as if they can't comprehend how to rebutte otherwise. But that's just me.
The other extreme of this is the inability to respond to a post as a whole and quoting multitudes of lines. Personally I'd like to see people conjure up the wit to make a concise response to posts instead of resorting to breaking them down line by line as if they can't comprehend how to rebutte otherwise. But that's just me.
* Chaotix shrugs.
What's funny is, if you read a formal essay or academic paper, the way that you're supposed to quote another person's work is exactly the way you just criticized.
I understand where you're coming from, because some people in debate use that multi-quote style just to flame some people, but I don't think that this is the case in other areas of the forum.
Sometimes a very complicated thing such as "this is how i sideboard vs the following six decks needs a response with six quotes and six rebuttals.
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I'll be sad if people don't start calling The Chain Veil "Fleetwood Mac."
One thing which I have consistently noticed on these forums is people abusing the quote button, needlessly copying large blocks of texts, decklists, etc in order to make a one sentence post. This results in cluttered looking threads that are unpleasant to read, and makes the posters in question look like they were too lazy to simply use bbcode tags and copy-paste only the relevant portions of a previous post.
I did a search in this subforum and didn't come up with anything, but perhaps it has been discussed before, and if so, I apologize for dredging up old horses from the graveyard. One thing I've seen work quite well on another vBulletin forum I frequent is the removal of the quote button entirely, forcing users to be a little more conscientious with that feature.
Postslikethis are quite common, and reposting entire paragraphs to add a single sentence of commentary is simply crude, lazy behaviour. It makes threads unpleasant to read at times.
Another related abuse (which I can't currently find a goodfound an example for) is when people over-use quotations, and nitpick others to death sentence by sentence, often out of context, rather than make a single coherent counter-argument. It is poor debate style, results in lots of back-and-forth, and shows a lack of respect for other user's thoughts.
I have seen a few of these posts infracted as spam, but only a tiny minority. I would suggest that the role of the quote button would be a worthy subject of discussion, and that something be done to clean up threads where half the contents get repeated through over-zealous quotations.
I haven't seen it often enough for it to be a problem for me.
I haven't seen it often enough for it to be a problem for me.
The irony.
I think it would help a lot if those people cropped out stuff not pertinent to their response. Aside from that, the quote function is fairly important. They have actually gone halfway on it with the disabling of automatic nested quotes.
Automatic nested quotes... scary. Perhaps I mis-communicated a bit judging by some of the replies in this thread: I'm not at all against the use of
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, just that very handy, very easy to click unnecessarily little blue button on posts. It seems from my experiences on other forums, that if people have to manually copy-paste the quote, they're much more likely to only grab the relevant bits.
Automatic nested quotes... scary. Perhaps I mis-communicated a bit judging by some of the replies in this thread: I'm not at all against the use of , just that very handy, very easy to click unnecessarily little blue button on posts. It seems from my experiences on other forums, that if people have to manually copy-paste the quote, they're much more likely to only grab the relevant bits.
The little blue button does come with the additional advantage of providing a link which allows readers to "jump" to that original post quoted. This can be important as some quoters will only quote bits they feel to be relevant (an inversion, I know) and skip out other parts which may make the original post more relevant, in context.
Also, when I am replying on my phone, without the little blue button, I am less likely to quote stuff (which could potentially lead to confusion, etc.). The quote function don't annoy readers; lazy quoters annoy readers.
I did a search in this subforum and didn't come up with anything, but perhaps it has been discussed before, and if so, I apologize for dredging up old horses from the graveyard. One thing I've seen work quite well on another vBulletin forum I frequent is the removal of the quote button entirely, forcing users to be a little more conscientious with that feature.
Posts like this are quite common, and reposting entire paragraphs to add a single sentence of commentary is simply crude, lazy behaviour. It makes threads unpleasant to read at times.
Another related abuse (which I
can't currently find a goodfound an example for) is when people over-use quotations, and nitpick others to death sentence by sentence, often out of context, rather than make a single coherent counter-argument. It is poor debate style, results in lots of back-and-forth, and shows a lack of respect for other user's thoughts.I have seen a few of these posts infracted as spam, but only a tiny minority. I would suggest that the role of the quote button would be a worthy subject of discussion, and that something be done to clean up threads where half the contents get repeated through over-zealous quotations.
I completely understand your point, but on the other hand, people have different styles of replying. There's also the matter that people might complain of over-moderation.
Edit: Just my personal take on it.
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A lot of thread topics get derailed or go off in a certain direction. If I want to say something short but unspammy like, "Null Rod wasn't in Florian's maindeck, that was a coverage error," but people are currently talking about... I don't know, the price of dark confidant, and have been for the last ten pages, I'll have to quote the post I'm talking about in order to reply.
Is my one sentence post spam? No, it contains helpful information. Is the quote spam? No, because no one will know what I'm talking about otherwise.
There is usually a considerate compromise that can be made, like shortening a giant quote into only the relevant part, but can you imagine mods handing out warnings for things like "only quote the part relevant to what you're saying?" That would be an awful mess.
* Chaotix shrugs.
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What's funny is, if you read a formal essay or academic paper, the way that you're supposed to quote another person's work is exactly the way you just criticized.
I understand where you're coming from, because some people in debate use that multi-quote style just to flame some people, but I don't think that this is the case in other areas of the forum.
Sometimes a very complicated thing such as "this is how i sideboard vs the following six decks needs a response with six quotes and six rebuttals.
I haven't seen it often enough for it to be a problem for me.
The irony.
I think it would help a lot if those people cropped out stuff not pertinent to their response. Aside from that, the quote function is fairly important. They have actually gone halfway on it with the disabling of automatic nested quotes.
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The little blue button does come with the additional advantage of providing a link which allows readers to "jump" to that original post quoted. This can be important as some quoters will only quote bits they feel to be relevant (an inversion, I know) and skip out other parts which may make the original post more relevant, in context.
Also, when I am replying on my phone, without the little blue button, I am less likely to quote stuff (which could potentially lead to confusion, etc.). The quote function don't annoy readers; lazy quoters annoy readers.
Posts like these really make me wish quotes were auto-spoiler tagged. Or that quotes are un-tagged until they reach a certain length.