Yet another thread has been closed because of disagreements between Mt and other users. And not to mention it was right in the middle of me trying to respond, only to see "this thread has been closed" when I hit submit.
Now mods please, im not trying to start another fight here. Im just trying to propose some kind of truce. I was hoping maybe we can use this thread to try to come up with solutions, rather then just continue arguing.
My suggestion so far was to have a thread made specifically for such kind of discussion. Yeah, I know it sounds silly to say "Hey, im pissed at you, meet me at the arguement thread". But we can't keep having relevant threads closed because users can't agree with eachother.
Or perhaps we could encourage posters who have a problem with someone, or something somebody said to PM that user and keep it between the two of them. I have actually had disscussions with other users over PM and not only did it work just fine, but it was better for the community in a whole.
Another thing I would suggest, and maybe Im missing something, but I haven't really seen a real "Posting Rules" thread anywhere on the board. Maybe the mods could start a thread and some polls to really get an idea of what people want to see on these boards and eventually set some guidlines down based on that info. If I am indeed missing something, and thats already been done, I apologize. Also please understand im not trying to claim that the mods "aren't" doing their job, I've actually seen them working fine. Im just saying that I've not yet seen any really guidlines set down yet.
As for the actual guidelines and all that. I assure you, I'm not some prude who thinks who shouldn't be able to say naughty words, or talk about anything dirty. Hell, if I had my way I'd have no censor at all, thats one of the things I actually like about "other boards".
The only thing im against is spam, and flaming. Not that im trying to imply that anyone in particular is doing it, im just saying it has happened and its only caused confusion, trouble, and closed threads. I think there can be a fine balance where we're allowed to speak our minds, and say what we feel, but still have some level of decorum.
I think that the same arguement thats used to support the concept of telling people to "Screw Off". The concept that you just want to have fun, and people shouldn't take it so seriously. Can be used just as well to support the other side of the arguement.
I just come here to talk and have fun, I don't want people telling me what I can and cannot say, but I also don't want to have to get slack from people all the time. By getting all in a tizzy over something a user says and ripping into him, maybe you are taking it a bit too seriously. Perhaps it could be better if we just let stuff like that go.
Again, all I want is peace. I understand this board is its own board, with its own rules. But other people need to understand that too.
I hope we can come to some kind of resolution.
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Question: Where would you have this "Flame Thread" be?
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Yet another thread has been closed because of disagreements between Mt and other users. And not to mention it was right in the middle of me trying to respond, only to see "this thread has been closed" when I hit submit.
Now mods please, im not trying to start another fight here. Im just trying to propose some kind of truce. I was hoping maybe we can use this thread to try to come up with solutions, rather then just continue arguing.
My suggestion so far was to have a thread made specifically for such kind of discussion. Yeah, I know it sounds silly to say "Hey, im pissed at you, meet me at the arguement thread". But we can't keep having relevant threads closed because users can't agree with eachother.
Or perhaps we could encourage posters who have a problem with someone, or something somebody said to PM that user and keep it between the two of them. I have actually had disscussions with other users over PM and not only did it work just fine, but it was better for the community in a whole.
Another thing I would suggest, and maybe Im missing something, but I haven't really seen a real "Posting Rules" thread anywhere on the board. Maybe the mods could start a thread and some polls to really get an idea of what people want to see on these boards and eventually set some guidlines down based on that info. If I am indeed missing something, and thats already been done, I apologize. Also please understand im not trying to claim that the mods "aren't" doing their job, I've actually seen them working fine. Im just saying that I've not yet seen any really guidlines set down yet.
As for the actual guidelines and all that. I assure you, I'm not some prude who thinks who shouldn't be able to say naughty words, or talk about anything dirty. Hell, if I had my way I'd have no censor at all, thats one of the things I actually like about "other boards".
The only thing im against is spam, and flaming. Not that im trying to imply that anyone in particular is doing it, im just saying it has happened and its only caused confusion, trouble, and closed threads. I think there can be a fine balance where we're allowed to speak our minds, and say what we feel, but still have some level of decorum.
I think that the same arguement thats used to support the concept of telling people to "Screw Off". The concept that you just want to have fun, and people shouldn't take it so seriously. Can be used just as well to support the other side of the arguement.
I just come here to talk and have fun, I don't want people telling me what I can and cannot say, but I also don't want to have to get slack from people all the time. By getting all in a tizzy over something a user says and ripping into him, maybe you are taking it a bit too seriously. Perhaps it could be better if we just let stuff like that go.
Again, all I want is peace. I understand this board is its own board, with its own rules. But other people need to understand that too.
The thread wouldn't really be a concern about the forums, though, so it probably wouldn't fit in Speak Your Mind.
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A "flame thread" is a terrible idea IMO. Like I said in the other thread it will attract trolls of all shapes and sizes, and no real important discussion will likely take place. It will degenerate quickly.
A single flame thread won't help those who are arguing, as it would be more convenient just to do it over PM. It would end up being a massive war thread, like the "fight" thread but with insults instead of "I BLAST YOU WITH MY MANA-RAYS!!!!" It would only serve as a breeding ground for trolls. A fight forum, while slightly better, still isn't the optimal solution.
I don't want it either to be honest. I actually think its a pretty stupid idea as well. Im just trying to find a way that MT and News people can be happy. If you insist on being able to start fights and flame wars all the time, why not just leave? I don't mean to be rude, but it seems that your not gonna be happy until you can turn this into MT.
I really don't know what else to say. Can't we just come to the understanding that this isn't MT and that people don't want flame wars here?
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I think the mods should be less lax about flames. A civil debate is fine but when you start trying to demean someone then you should get a flame warning. It will keep this place running alot more smoothly.
I'm both for and against the flame thread. On another forum I go to, there is a thread called "The ****list" where everyone gets it out of their system. However, I feel that such a thread here would be a blemish on the face of these boards, and would reflect badly upon us. If it keeps up I'm going to put into effect a zero-tolerance policy for MT vs. Others rule. I've been to MT and I don't find it that bad of a place, I'm registered there, though I don't post much (kind of a small forum but understandably so). I really appreciate that you're trying to come up with a solution to this and you understand that there is a problem (though not as big of a problem, yet). Unfortunately there's no easy way to go about taking care of said problem if it gets bigger. If the problems were persist though, I can guarantee you that there will be action taken. Right now I feel the most flames are coming from people like Unsanitary999 who were actually banned on MTGnews quite a while ago (who is currently 1 warning from suspension, actually), or other previously banned members. Kind of sad when you give people a new start and another chance and all you can think is "wow, now I know why they were banned in the first place..."
I don't want it either to be honest. I actually think its a pretty stupid idea as well. Im just trying to find a way that MT and News people can be happy. If you insist on being able to start fights and flame wars all the time, why not just leave? I don't mean to be rude, but it seems that your not gonna be happy until you can turn this into MT.
I really don't know what else to say. Can't we just come to the understanding that this isn't MT and that people don't want flame wars here?
You just don't get it.
I believe people should be able to start fights AS LONG AS ALL INVOLVED IN THE ARGUMENT CONSENT TO CERTAIN RULES, such as NO ARGUING ALL THE TIME and NO FLAMING ANYONE NOT IN THE ARGUMENT. I have never said my being at MTG Salvation is contingent on my being able to do those things, as I personally have never expressed the desire to do them. I am NOT trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT, and I have ALWAYS understood that this isn't MT. However, what you don't understand is that there are some people who want to be able to argue and yell here. Not me, necessarily or you, but there are people. Time and time again, you have said the same two things:
1. If you want to fight, all the time, do it somewhere else.
2. Stop trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT.
3. Every thread containing the words "MTG News/MTG Salvation" and "MiseTings" is a fight between the two groups.
You sound like a broken record. In assuming that I want to fight all day, transform Salvation into MT and flame whoever I want, you assume too much, because NEWS FLASH: YOU DON'T KNOW ME. AT ALL. NOT EVEN THE LEAST AMOUNT. If you want to partake in a constructive discussion and make this forum a better place, I'm all ears. If you just want to insult me, do it somewhere else.
I believe people should be able to start fights AS LONG AS ALL INVOLVED IN THE ARGUMENT CONSENT TO CERTAIN RULES, such as NO ARGUING ALL THE TIME and NO FLAMING ANYONE NOT IN THE ARGUMENT. I have never said my being at MTG Salvation is contingent on my being able to do those things, as I personally have never expressed the desire to do them. I am NOT trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT, and I have ALWAYS understood that this isn't MT. However, what you don't understand is that there are some people who want to be able to argue and yell here. Not me, necessarily or you, but there are people. Time and time again, you have said the same two things:
1. If you want to fight, all the time, do it somewhere else.
2. Stop trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT.
3. Every thread containing the words "MTG News/MTG Salvation" and "MiseTings" is a fight between the two groups.
You sound like a broken record. In assuming that I want to fight all day, transform Salvation into MT and flame whoever I want, you assume too much, because NEWS FLASH: YOU DON'T KNOW ME. AT ALL. NOT EVEN THE LEAST AMOUNT. If you want to partake in a constructive discussion and make this forum a better place, I'm all ears. If you just want to insult me, do it somewhere else.
When did I ever insult you?
And yes, I fully understand I keep saying the same, because the same subjects keep getting brought up. Hence I give my opinion about them, wich has yet to change.
I also think theres a big differerance between "starting fights" and speaking your mind towards someone. Isn't "starting fights" essentially the definition of trolling? I guess its only fair that if you have something to say to someone, that you should be able, in a constructive and civil manner, to say that to them. But I also feel it would be best left in PMs.
Also I don't think its a matter of me not understanding you. As much of a matter of me disagreeing with you. I think people being allowed to "start fights" is a far cry from people being allowed to speak their mind.
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Shinde: Even if flames are kept to those who are willing to take them, it will still create an atmosphere that I don't believe MTG Salvation needs at this time; at the moment, we are still trying to aquire more Members (whether they be noobs or not), and if, for example, these new people saw someone being flamed on the T2 board, with no knowledge of the rules of the site on such matters, they might think the forums are similar to those of MiseTings, and leave.
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than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I need to know, did you all consider my thread an attemt to start a fight(a.k.a. "troll"), or a chance at honest disscution?
@ kuberr: Where are the warnings I accumulated, I have only been informed of 2 and one of them mentioned "get out of jail free" so I assumed it was an unofficial warning and just a prewarning-warning
I didn't consider your thread a troll, but that's just my opinion.
As for warnings, your Warning Thread lists three; one spam warning here, and two more warnings somewhere else about using huge text after being asked not to.
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I didn't consider your thread a troll, but that's just my opinion.
As for warnings, your Warning Thread lists three; one spam warning here, and two more warnings somewhere else about using huge text after being asked not to.
I know about the spam warning, but I only used oversized text once. unless you count in my thread where I replied with one word, in like my essay long post, that was size 7.
I know about the spam warning, but I only used oversized text once. unless you count in my thread where I replied with one word, in like my essay long post, that was size 7.
*Shrug* The mod didn't say which posts or threads they were in.
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And kuberr said I had four.
*shrug* Maybe one isn't listed on your Warnings thread for some reason.
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than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Angelica, if you're going to post like that, at least do it accurately. That thread wasn't closed because of "MT vs others", it was closed because of "MT vs you". Nobody else has a problem with MiseTings members being here. Maybe you should just give up.
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Hey all... I'm retired, not dead. Check out what I'm doing these days (and beg me to come back if you want):
True, I should give up. Please feel free to use big red letters and flame as much as you like. Sorry about that.
Thanks.
PC response: Most people here have a problem with MT-style big red letters and flaming in every other post. For the most part, these complaints are legitimate and these behaviors shouldn't be encouraged. You, however, are moving beyond that and trying to rid these forums of 'tingers completely. What I don't understand is why the hell you want to do that. Most of us can actually be quite civil when necessary.
To the mods: One exception to this is hollowkatt, he is actually Rahal, and you should IP ban him now before he causes a LOT more trouble than he could ever be worth.
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Sorry but this thread really isn't going anywhere at all, so I'm going to close it. We have a policy here of not holding grudges against members from other websites, and I'm a strong believer in leaving troubles behind and not bringing them with you. We do give warnings for flaming, and we aren't as strict as we could be about it, but that's because freedom is a big thing around here. If you want go flame someone, go to the Humor forum's subforum "The Gutter", that's where it belongs. Wolfwood will decide what to do with it from there. Personally I think if you have a personal problem with someone you should take it up via Private Message so you don't drag everyone else into it as well and draw in innocent by-standers. Angelica I appreciate you being civil and for trying in creating this thread.
Now mods please, im not trying to start another fight here. Im just trying to propose some kind of truce. I was hoping maybe we can use this thread to try to come up with solutions, rather then just continue arguing.
My suggestion so far was to have a thread made specifically for such kind of discussion. Yeah, I know it sounds silly to say "Hey, im pissed at you, meet me at the arguement thread". But we can't keep having relevant threads closed because users can't agree with eachother.
Or perhaps we could encourage posters who have a problem with someone, or something somebody said to PM that user and keep it between the two of them. I have actually had disscussions with other users over PM and not only did it work just fine, but it was better for the community in a whole.
Another thing I would suggest, and maybe Im missing something, but I haven't really seen a real "Posting Rules" thread anywhere on the board. Maybe the mods could start a thread and some polls to really get an idea of what people want to see on these boards and eventually set some guidlines down based on that info. If I am indeed missing something, and thats already been done, I apologize. Also please understand im not trying to claim that the mods "aren't" doing their job, I've actually seen them working fine. Im just saying that I've not yet seen any really guidlines set down yet.
As for the actual guidelines and all that. I assure you, I'm not some prude who thinks who shouldn't be able to say naughty words, or talk about anything dirty. Hell, if I had my way I'd have no censor at all, thats one of the things I actually like about "other boards".
The only thing im against is spam, and flaming. Not that im trying to imply that anyone in particular is doing it, im just saying it has happened and its only caused confusion, trouble, and closed threads. I think there can be a fine balance where we're allowed to speak our minds, and say what we feel, but still have some level of decorum.
I think that the same arguement thats used to support the concept of telling people to "Screw Off". The concept that you just want to have fun, and people shouldn't take it so seriously. Can be used just as well to support the other side of the arguement.
I just come here to talk and have fun, I don't want people telling me what I can and cannot say, but I also don't want to have to get slack from people all the time. By getting all in a tizzy over something a user says and ripping into him, maybe you are taking it a bit too seriously. Perhaps it could be better if we just let stuff like that go.
Again, all I want is peace. I understand this board is its own board, with its own rules. But other people need to understand that too.
I hope we can come to some kind of resolution.
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Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
This thread was necessary.
I really don't know for sure. It seems that a lot of discussion, be it argumentative or friendly between users goes on right here at "Speak your mind"
Perhaps a sticky thread in these forums will do.
Thats just my take, anyone else is obviously more then free to suggest another idea.
Rasputina - A Quitter
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I am also a DCI Level 1 Judge, if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask them in the Rulings forum.
A single flame thread won't help those who are arguing, as it would be more convenient just to do it over PM. It would end up being a massive war thread, like the "fight" thread but with insults instead of "I BLAST YOU WITH MY MANA-RAYS!!!!" It would only serve as a breeding ground for trolls. A fight forum, while slightly better, still isn't the optimal solution.
I really don't know what else to say. Can't we just come to the understanding that this isn't MT and that people don't want flame wars here?
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I am also a DCI Level 1 Judge, if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask them in the Rulings forum.
I think the mods should be less lax about flames. A civil debate is fine but when you start trying to demean someone then you should get a flame warning. It will keep this place running alot more smoothly.
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(Also known as Xenphire)
You just don't get it.
I believe people should be able to start fights AS LONG AS ALL INVOLVED IN THE ARGUMENT CONSENT TO CERTAIN RULES, such as NO ARGUING ALL THE TIME and NO FLAMING ANYONE NOT IN THE ARGUMENT. I have never said my being at MTG Salvation is contingent on my being able to do those things, as I personally have never expressed the desire to do them. I am NOT trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT, and I have ALWAYS understood that this isn't MT. However, what you don't understand is that there are some people who want to be able to argue and yell here. Not me, necessarily or you, but there are people. Time and time again, you have said the same two things:
1. If you want to fight, all the time, do it somewhere else.
2. Stop trying to turn MTG Salvation into MT.
3. Every thread containing the words "MTG News/MTG Salvation" and "MiseTings" is a fight between the two groups.
You sound like a broken record. In assuming that I want to fight all day, transform Salvation into MT and flame whoever I want, you assume too much, because NEWS FLASH: YOU DON'T KNOW ME. AT ALL. NOT EVEN THE LEAST AMOUNT. If you want to partake in a constructive discussion and make this forum a better place, I'm all ears. If you just want to insult me, do it somewhere else.
When did I ever insult you?
And yes, I fully understand I keep saying the same, because the same subjects keep getting brought up. Hence I give my opinion about them, wich has yet to change.
I also think theres a big differerance between "starting fights" and speaking your mind towards someone. Isn't "starting fights" essentially the definition of trolling? I guess its only fair that if you have something to say to someone, that you should be able, in a constructive and civil manner, to say that to them. But I also feel it would be best left in PMs.
Also I don't think its a matter of me not understanding you. As much of a matter of me disagreeing with you. I think people being allowed to "start fights" is a far cry from people being allowed to speak their mind.
Rasputina - A Quitter
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
@ kuberr: Where are the warnings I accumulated, I have only been informed of 2 and one of them mentioned "get out of jail free" so I assumed it was an unofficial warning and just a prewarning-warning
As for warnings, your Warning Thread lists three; one spam warning here, and two more warnings somewhere else about using huge text after being asked not to.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I know about the spam warning, but I only used oversized text once. unless you count in my thread where I replied with one word, in like my essay long post, that was size 7.
And kuberr said I had four.
*Shrug* The mod didn't say which posts or threads they were in.
*shrug* Maybe one isn't listed on your Warnings thread for some reason.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
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Thanks.
PC response: Most people here have a problem with MT-style big red letters and flaming in every other post. For the most part, these complaints are legitimate and these behaviors shouldn't be encouraged. You, however, are moving beyond that and trying to rid these forums of 'tingers completely. What I don't understand is why the hell you want to do that. Most of us can actually be quite civil when necessary.
To the mods: One exception to this is hollowkatt, he is actually Rahal, and you should IP ban him now before he causes a LOT more trouble than he could ever be worth.
https://twitch.tv/annorax10 (classic retro speedruns & occasional MTGO/MTGA screwaround streams)
https://twitch.tv/SwiftorCasino (yes, my team and I run live dealer games for the baldman using his channel points as chips)
-X
(Also known as Xenphire)