I was told that I could make an infinite amount of infinite/infinite saproling tokens using GHAVE, GURU OF SPORES, JUNIPER ORDER RANGER, and ASHNOD'S ALTER. I know how to create the tokens, but it remains unclear to me as to how I am able to make them infinite/infinite. I would really appreciate some clarity on this process, whether or not I am missing a simple interaction, or that a card is needed for this to be possible.
Make 2 tokens with Ghave. They both have +1/+1 counters from JOR.
Sacrifice one token to Ashnod's Altar. This gets you two mana - use one mana to turn the +1/+1 counter from the other saproling into a new saproling (which also triggers JOR). You still have one mana, so you remove the counter from the newest saproling and make another saproling (triggering JOR).
1 mana = 1 saproling and one JOR trigger.
Sacrificing a saproling gives you two mana.
As much mana as you have can be used to make new saprolings since the newest ones will always have counters to continue the combo.
Every saproling you sacrifice gets you two new saprolings.
Infinite saprolings, infinitely large JOR.
Also works with Cathars' Crusade or bloodspore thrinax instead of JOR. There is also that commander legendary creature (BG, 2/2 flying bug)
To answer the actual question, the reason you can make those saprolings "infinite/infinite" is because once you have infinite mana and creatures, Ghave allows you to convert infinite creatures into infinite +1/+1 counters by sacrificing them. So you can produce 200 billion saprolings, then produce enough more to put 200 billion +1/+1 counters on each of those saprolings.
To answer the actual question, the reason you can make those saprolings "infinite/infinite" is because once you have infinite mana and creatures, Ghave allows you to convert infinite creatures into infinite +1/+1 counters by sacrificing them. So you can produce 200 billion saprolings, then produce enough more to put 200 billion +1/+1 counters on each of those saprolings.
Yep, you swing and once they declare blockers, put counters on the unblocked ones.
There are also many other combos. "Ghave, Guru of Combos"
To answer the actual question, the reason you can make those saprolings "infinite/infinite" is because once you have infinite mana and creatures, Ghave allows you to convert infinite creatures into infinite +1/+1 counters by sacrificing them. So you can produce 200 billion saprolings, then produce enough more to put 200 billion +1/+1 counters on each of those saprolings.
Yep, you swing and once they declare blockers, put counters on the unblocked ones.
There are also many other combos. "Ghave, Guru of Combos"
I mean, with infinite mana/tokens, you don't even need to do that. Just make 200 billion^2 tokens, and sac all of those for counters before combat so all your saprolings are giant.
To answer the actual question, the reason you can make those saprolings "infinite/infinite" is because once you have infinite mana and creatures, Ghave allows you to convert infinite creatures into infinite +1/+1 counters by sacrificing them. So you can produce 200 billion saprolings, then produce enough more to put 200 billion +1/+1 counters on each of those saprolings.
Yep, you swing and once they declare blockers, put counters on the unblocked ones.
There are also many other combos. "Ghave, Guru of Combos"
I mean, with infinite mana/tokens, you don't even need to do that. Just make 200 billion^2 tokens, and sac all of those for counters before combat so all your saprolings are giant.
True, but not as funny when they think they have survived.
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Sacrifice one token to Ashnod's Altar. This gets you two mana - use one mana to turn the +1/+1 counter from the other saproling into a new saproling (which also triggers JOR). You still have one mana, so you remove the counter from the newest saproling and make another saproling (triggering JOR).
1 mana = 1 saproling and one JOR trigger.
Sacrificing a saproling gives you two mana.
As much mana as you have can be used to make new saprolings since the newest ones will always have counters to continue the combo.
Every saproling you sacrifice gets you two new saprolings.
Infinite saprolings, infinitely large JOR.
Also works with Cathars' Crusade or bloodspore thrinax instead of JOR. There is also that commander legendary creature (BG, 2/2 flying bug)
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Yep, you swing and once they declare blockers, put counters on the unblocked ones.
There are also many other combos. "Ghave, Guru of Combos"
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
True, but not as funny when they think they have survived.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
No, Witch-Maw Nephilim combos with a stiff breeze. Especially when you're a teenager.
But Ghave combos with everything, yes. Including (of course) Doubling Season. My personal favorite thing to do with Ghave is a Stax build. You'd be surprised at how insane Rule of Law is when Diabolic Edict, Disenchant, Mind Rot, Divination, Reconstruction, Last Caress, Searing Touch, Fog, Doom Blade, and Titania's Boon don't actually count as spells.
On phasing: