I've been brainstorming a Zada deck all afternoon and I think Eldrazi Monument and Soul of New Phyrexia are absolutely necessary. The best red cantrips are Stun (played after an opponent's combat step or as a sorcery), Accelerate, and Crimson Wisps. You'll want token generation, as you said. Young Pyromancer is obviously great, I think Goblinslide and Empty the Warrens would perform well with the cheap cantrips. Krenko, Mob Boss is obviously absurd as 1 of 99. Fiery Gambit is likely capable of killing the whole table with the right flips.
You can't get a significant amount of damage off of it. You'd be better off spamming Flame Jabs.
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If it targets a colorless creature, it doesn't affect any other creatures. A colorless creature shares a color with nothing, not even other colorless creatures.
You can't get a significant amount of damage off of it. You'd be better off spamming Flame Jabs.
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If it targets a colorless creature, it doesn't affect any other creatures. A colorless creature shares a color with nothing, not even other colorless creatures.
I think the idea was to have a large number of goblin token, target Zada, Hedron Grinder, have all the creatures take damage, then repercussion yourself for a ton (doubled), which goes to stuffy doll (doubled again) which domes an opponent.
You can't get a significant amount of damage off of it. You'd be better off spamming Flame Jabs.
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If it targets a colorless creature, it doesn't affect any other creatures. A colorless creature shares a color with nothing, not even other colorless creatures.
I think the idea was to have a large number of goblin token, target Zada, Hedron Grinder, have all the creatures take damage, then repercussion yourself for a ton (doubled), which goes to stuffy doll (doubled again) which domes an opponent.
At least that's what I was thinking.
That takes a tremendous amount of set up to pull off though. Maybe if mono-red had all of and black and white tutors, but this is a one in one hundred games type of set up.
The issue is that in order for the Doll to take all of the damage from the individual Cleansing Beams, the creatures you control need to be able to take damage from more than one or all the extra copies fizzle. I'm really wanting a way to drop a Coalhauler Swine, shoot Zada with a Cleansing Beam and blow everything and everyone to kingdom come.
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And since they grant haste, you'll get all sorts of uses out of them. Outside of goblin welder, krenko, mob boss, kiki-jiki, mirror breaker, and the mercenary that searches for goblins and puts them on the battlefield, can you think of any good uses for the threaten? Personally, any of those on the battlefield for an extra use is downright terrifying. Personally, I think a hilarious card to use on him is heat shimmer. Other useful cards that don't cantrip but might get some play time: overblaze (begging for a chandra, fire of kaladesh to be on the battlefield), seize the day (Now THIS is a nasty little "surprise" for someone...)
Like luminum can said, it has to target ONLY Zada. Otherwise it doesn't work. I thought about Chaos Warp too, but the current idea is that there'd be a lot of cheap creatures and a lot of non-creature spells, so that's really more like a one sided field wipe for us. If we wanted that we could at least use Telim'Tor's Edict so the non-creature spells go into our hand.
arcbond will be added, because it's both hilarious and a sweeper EDIT: Of course adding this to a deck means you have to add blasphemous act chaotic strike seems alright. I passed it up at first because I thought it could only target attacking creatures. but if it can target regardless, and not necessarily even during your combat, it seems pretty good. Mark of mutany seems good for the permanent +1/+1 counters, as well as just being a versatile option. It's nice to have the option of stealing your opponent's Kozilek, or Blightsteel. Cleansing beam is absolutely hilarious, but that's really all it is. Maybe as a sideboard card against other mono red decks.
Am I missing something? Why are we targeting our creatures for damage? It doesn't affect your opponents at all, only your creatures. Not trolling, honestly asking.
Edit: I'm talking lethal damage, such as cleansing beam.
Monored storm, perhaps? Get a couple of tokens into play, then cast a bunch of cantrips that target Zada (which will draw you several cards each) & rituals, then finish everyone off with Ignite Memories, Haze of Rage, Empty The Warrens, Grapeshot, Storm Entity, etc?
Monored storm, perhaps? Get a couple of tokens into play, then cast a bunch of cantrips that target Zada (which will draw you several cards each) & rituals, then finish everyone off with Ignite Memories, Haze of Rage, Empty The Warrens, Grapeshot, Storm Entity, etc?
Never seen a commander deck pull of storm, but if you can come up with a list, I'd love to see it! Maybe if there was ritual cards that targeted 1 creature, it'd be more feasible.
To be brutally honest, Zada is fairly disappointing. As a general, you can spam cards with cantrips for more draw than mono-red has ever had, or you can use pump spells to make your creatures bigger. The only cards that really benefit in a different way is Chaos Warp, Heat Shimmer, etc.
I was really hoping for something like Inktreader Nephilim, but actually legal as a commander without having to ask a group's permission to play it. Being limited to mono-red isn't as bad as I thought, but only hitting your creatures instead of every available target is what really hurts my interest in it. Most of the good spells to go with Zada have already been mentioned after just over a dozen posts.
Yeah, as a commander she has some pretty big limitations. I think her real place to shine will be in another commander's deck so she has access to a much wider range of powerful ally-targeting effects.
Monored storm, perhaps? Get a couple of tokens into play, then cast a bunch of cantrips that target Zada (which will draw you several cards each) & rituals, then finish everyone off with Ignite Memories, Haze of Rage, Empty The Warrens, Grapeshot, Storm Entity, etc?
This doesn't work; you're not actually casting the copies, and that's all storm counts.
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I think that Zada's real strength is going to be playing cheap cantrips to draw a billion cards (like Crimson Wisps, and then comboing out from there. If you have a lot of lands, you could potentially make a bunch of Lightning Storms and then retarget/enhance damage with them.
I think Heat Shimmer or Twinflame are good just to get more people out for the cantrips. Even vanilla cards like Reckless Charge could make things exciting too, depending on how many dudes are around.
Alternatively, you could Fiery Gambit with Krark's Thumb (looking for two successful flips), and annoy the crap out of people as you flip coins forever. If you're really crazy, three successful flips will give you more mana than you could ever reasonably use (actually, you could very reasonably use it in a Comet Storm).
(It looks like someone beat me to Fiery Gambit, which I've been trying to break forever.)
Edit: I might build this pile. This looks hilarious.
Soooooo we all know that Chandra's Ignition doesn't work nearly as well as we seem to think it does with Zada right? I mean as each copy of the ignition resolves anything that dies in the process will have it's ignition countered. Since we're talking about a bunch of goblin tokens I don't imagine many will be surviving.
Monored storm, perhaps? Get a couple of tokens into play, then cast a bunch of cantrips that target Zada (which will draw you several cards each) & rituals, then finish everyone off with Ignite Memories, Haze of Rage, Empty The Warrens, Grapeshot, Storm Entity, etc?
This doesn't work; you're not actually casting the copies, and that's all storm counts.
Right, I think the point is to draw a ton of cards from copied cantrips and cast a bunch of cheap spells to build the storm count.
Pretty cool commander for mono red if you ask me. I've got a list of cards that I think would go good with him, but let me know if you guys find any hidden johnny combos with him and I'll try and add them to the list:
Accelerate
Arcbond
Assault Strobe
Balduvian Rage
Blazing Shoal
Blood Frenzy
Blood Lust
Boiling Blood
Brute Force
Chaotic Strike
Crimson Wisps
Downhill Charge
Fatal Frenzy
Fiery Gambit
Fists of the Anvil
Fit of Rage
Heat Shimmer
Howl of the Horde
Lightning Storm
Mark of Mutiny
Overblaze
Panic
Reckless Charge
Riddle of Lightning
Rush of Blood
Screaming Fury
Seething Anger
Seize the Day
Strionic Resonator
Stun
Temur Battle Rage
Titan's Strength
Twinflame
Obviously a lot of token generating cards to give us a massive army to pump like Hordeling outburst, Krenko's command and similar effects fit well into this deck. One of the most interesting and powerful synergies I think I found with was with Zada though is the cheap red cards that target a creature, do some insignificant effect, and then have "Draw a card.", or the less desirable, but still appreciated "Draw a card at the begining of next turn's upkeep." clause added onto the end of them. Even a card like Panic, or Stun that actually have a negative effect become huge card draw spells worth playing on Zada, even if you had to play them on your opponent's combat step. With the right amount of token generation and good cheap red creatures, this general might actually give red the card advantage it so desperately needs to be more playable in commander thanks to these small little red spells that become a 1 or 2 drop Collective Unconscious.
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If you're just looking for cheap cantrips there's also Chaotic Strike. Explosive Revelation draws you all non-lands but hurts your own stuff. Rouse the Mob/Fury Charm for trample. Temur Battle Rage for double strike and trample. Mark of Mutiny for haste, untaps, and +1/+1 counters.
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Arcbond seems pretty funny.
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pariah's shield on stuffy doll with repercussion? Add in a damager doubler to ensure lethality.
This also works well with arcbond and chandra's ignition.
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You can't get a significant amount of damage off of it. You'd be better off spamming Flame Jabs.
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WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
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UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
I think the idea was to have a large number of goblin token, target Zada, Hedron Grinder, have all the creatures take damage, then repercussion yourself for a ton (doubled), which goes to stuffy doll (doubled again) which domes an opponent.
At least that's what I was thinking.
Kemba | Linvala | Talrand | Geth | Krenko | Zada | Patron of the Orochi | Medomai | Athreos | Gisela | Trostani | Nin | Silumgar | Kaervek | Jarad | Xenagos | Sydri | Narset | Roon | Zurgo | Ghave | Marath | Uril | Tasigur | Animar | Riku | Riku | Sek'Kuar | Cromat
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That takes a tremendous amount of set up to pull off though. Maybe if mono-red had all of and black and white tutors, but this is a one in one hundred games type of set up.
The issue is that in order for the Doll to take all of the damage from the individual Cleansing Beams, the creatures you control need to be able to take damage from more than one or all the extra copies fizzle. I'm really wanting a way to drop a Coalhauler Swine, shoot Zada with a Cleansing Beam and blow everything and everyone to kingdom come.
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
Radiate for some extra zadaing.
Blood Feud, Swift Kick for a massive brawl.
Aleatory A cantrip is obviously bonkers.
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"that targets only Zada, Hedron Grinder"
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arcbond will be added, because it's both hilarious and a sweeper EDIT: Of course adding this to a deck means you have to add blasphemous act
chaotic strike seems alright. I passed it up at first because I thought it could only target attacking creatures. but if it can target regardless, and not necessarily even during your combat, it seems pretty good.
Mark of mutany seems good for the permanent +1/+1 counters, as well as just being a versatile option. It's nice to have the option of stealing your opponent's Kozilek, or Blightsteel.
Cleansing beam is absolutely hilarious, but that's really all it is. Maybe as a sideboard card against other mono red decks.
Edit: I'm talking lethal damage, such as cleansing beam.
Not sure if any of those are worth it though.
Never seen a commander deck pull of storm, but if you can come up with a list, I'd love to see it! Maybe if there was ritual cards that targeted 1 creature, it'd be more feasible.
I was really hoping for something like Inktreader Nephilim, but actually legal as a commander without having to ask a group's permission to play it. Being limited to mono-red isn't as bad as I thought, but only hitting your creatures instead of every available target is what really hurts my interest in it. Most of the good spells to go with Zada have already been mentioned after just over a dozen posts.
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
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This doesn't work; you're not actually casting the copies, and that's all storm counts.
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I think that Zada's real strength is going to be playing cheap cantrips to draw a billion cards (like Crimson Wisps, and then comboing out from there. If you have a lot of lands, you could potentially make a bunch of Lightning Storms and then retarget/enhance damage with them.
I think Heat Shimmer or Twinflame are good just to get more people out for the cantrips. Even vanilla cards like Reckless Charge could make things exciting too, depending on how many dudes are around.
Alternatively, you could Fiery Gambit with Krark's Thumb (looking for two successful flips), and annoy the crap out of people as you flip coins forever. If you're really crazy, three successful flips will give you more mana than you could ever reasonably use (actually, you could very reasonably use it in a Comet Storm).
(It looks like someone beat me to Fiery Gambit, which I've been trying to break forever.)
Edit: I might build this pile. This looks hilarious.
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Right, I think the point is to draw a ton of cards from copied cantrips and cast a bunch of cheap spells to build the storm count.
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Maybe? It'd be hard to actually cast a significant number of spells. There are maybe 8 rituals that would work at all.
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