But I have had a few issues not being able to interact with infinite combos. Main combo being Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed combo and I haven't ran into yet but a few guys at my LGS do run Niv-Mizzet combo.
For the Vish Kal/Mikaeus combo the only thing I can really think of is Faeire Macarbe or Korsan Wayfarer putting in a Bojuka Bog at instant speed. Are there any other creature based interaction to stop these kinds of combos? Also I'm not really interested in compromising the all creature base of the deck I would rather be told there is no way to interact. I built the deck knowing that there would be certain stuff that would be hard for the deck to beat. But I would like to see if you guys had any ideas before I have up on trying to find a way to interact with these combos. And for Niv I'm not really sure how to interact with that combo lol
Edit: Concealing that you've got an answer until the last second is much more effective than laying it on the table. There are various ways to give creatures flash, such as Yeva, Nature's Herald. Those cards are probably worth looking into anyway if your deck is almost all creatures since it sucks to be forced to play exclusively at Sorcery speed.
If you don't already, run Crop Rotation and maybe to grab bog or Glacial Chasm to deal with Niv, especially in that color combo (I run it in everything green because it's amazing).
Have a bunch of things enter the yard then search out all the combos your opponents have.
I love this card against combo
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Sadistic Sacrament is pretty good. For 3 mana, you can (probably) cripple a combo player. For 10, you could put another player out of the game almost entirely.
Like said before, Yeva, Nature's Herald is good, it would let you drop a Necrataal effect or a Fleshbag Marauder at instant speed, Yisan might also we worth looking into as a birthing pod effect to get utility creatures.
Ya i think I may actually switch out the one enchantment in the deck for either of those cards that allow me to preemptively take a problem card out of my opponents deck that's a good thought guys thank you!
Ya i think I may actually switch out the one enchantment in the deck for either of those cards that allow me to preemptively take a problem card out of my opponents deck that's a good thought guys thank you!
Praetor's Grasp is also intensely playable. If you don't rip a combo piece, you can get a mana rock, or... really whatever you need. It doubles as a tutor.
Why do you run so many land? The most I've ever seen in an edh deck (aside from my edh version of 43 lands which runs over 70) is 37. That list has 40+, a number that could probably come down to 35 at the most, giving you at least 5 open spots for answers
Why do you run so many land? The most I've ever seen in an edh deck (aside from my edh version of 43 lands which runs over 70) is 37. That list has 40+, a number that could probably come down to 35 at the most, giving you at least 5 open spots for answers
I always tend to run 40 in most of my decks. I'm in the camp of I'd rather be flooded than mana screwed. Plus it's vital for the deck to hit land drops because once I'm able to play two big guys a turn it gets the ball rolling so to speak. Plus I want to be able to always have enough mana to replay my Commander.
I'm almost positive I have a Praetor's Grasp I'll have to look through my stuff when I get home from work.
My first suggestion would probably be to replace 2 land with Phyrexian Tower and Volrath Stronghold. Paired with Eternal Witness, your graveyard becomes your 2nd library. If you were to add Birthing Pod, it gets even better. Add Mikaeus the Unhallowed and it's a party.
As far as lands go, fetches + Crucible of Worlds makes every deck need less land but also requires a decent investment and I realize not everyone wants to go out and spend a couple hundred bucks for an edh deck. I made foil proxies for all the dual lands to avoid that issue since it's just casual. Fun fact, the duals don't look good as foils. I think it's how light the art is.
That aside, a sacrifice outlet with a recursion engine like Eternal Witness is probably the best way to recur your creature answers. Genesis is also a good option for that, especially paired with something like fauna shaman.
Overall I would say look into how you can reuse your guys that have enter the battlefield triggers, preferably at instant speed. You won't have a lot of ways to interact on other turns otherwise, which means you are kinda stuck with stopping the combos before they start, which all comes down to recognizing which cards those combos hinge on, and getting rid of them asap.
I would really like to get a Phyrexian Tower a lil on the pricey side I may pick one up with the money I get over the holidays. I do appreciate the non Creature suggestions but I'm only allowing myself the one flex slot in the deck that isn't a creature and I decide on a Praetor's Grasp so I can be proactive on hating the combo. And I myself proxie but I don't proxie cards I don't own cuz most of mt playgroup would wine because they sometimes comment about me using proxies in general. But I'm on a very right budget so it's the only way I can have a card I really like in multiple decks. Considering I have like 13 edh decks.
And I have been tempted to try Birthing Pod in the flex slot but I'd have to but one but they aren't expensive anymore after the ban like 3 or 4 dollars?
Birthing Pod did come down to 3-4 bucks, and you've definitely got the creature base to support it. With Pod and Fauna Shaman, you should have more freedom to pick and choose which creatures you want to play when which would hopefully streamline the concept you're working with without straying too far.
And yeah, it sucks when you make a deck and then everyone suggests that you basically toss your concept for something faster and more reliable. I refuse to make the adjustments everyone gives me for my Doran deck, because I don't want it to just be a copy of my Karador deck. That's no fun.
Ya it is certainly a tough choice between Pod and Grasp both allow me to interact with combo better just not sure what to try I would like to rest both though I'll have to add Pod to my list. I do like the idea of E-Wit a sac outlet and Grasp though with luck and colors permitting I could use my opponents combos against them lol
Also ya when it comes to deck building restrictions and themes I do not like to deviate but I do appreciate all the suggestions and help you guys are offering though!
EDH speculation and analysis is all I do. It's a wonderful format that manages to allow everything from budget to budgetless decks to compete, and provides you with games that nobody would expect to end the way they do.
I built a Zur deck that wins using Near-Death Experience and Necropotence. What other format could I get away with that in? None!
Ya I don't really play any other format besides proxied up legacy decks with a buddy of mine. EDH is the wackiest format and that's what I enjoy about it as well. Only format were you can get Foundry Street Denizen up to a 30/1 lol
Just remembered Greenseeker. Works really well with some recursion engines, or Genesis, and is a great mana fixer. Gets you a land every turn so you never miss your drop, and you shouldn't have much trouble recovering whatever you discard
Just remembered Greenseeker. Works really well with some recursion engines, or Genesis, and is a great mana fixer. Gets you a land every turn so you never miss your drop, and you shouldn't have much trouble recovering whatever you discard
Ya I've had my eye on some of the spell shapers for awhile now just haven't had a deck to really utilize them like I can with Meren so I will definitely be picking up a few different ones to rest out.
This deck is sounding more and more fun to play the more I think about what it can do. Looping Woodfall Primus with Melira by putting him into play with Elvish Piper in response to most anything sounds like a larf.
This deck is sounding more and more fun to play the more I think about what it can do. Looping Woodfall Primus with Melira by putting him into play with Elvish Piper in response to most anything sounds like a larf.
Ya the deck has actually been a blast to play so far and I'm trying to avoid any combo shenanigans if I can because ppl sometimes get whiney and I don't want to deal with that. Plus it's even more satisftying for me when I can beat ppl without combo lol but elvish piper seems like it could be a decent addtion allowing you to play stuff out back to your hand by Meren. I may have to look into that.
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But I have had a few issues not being able to interact with infinite combos. Main combo being Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed combo and I haven't ran into yet but a few guys at my LGS do run Niv-Mizzet combo.
For the Vish Kal/Mikaeus combo the only thing I can really think of is Faeire Macarbe or Korsan Wayfarer putting in a Bojuka Bog at instant speed. Are there any other creature based interaction to stop these kinds of combos? Also I'm not really interested in compromising the all creature base of the deck I would rather be told there is no way to interact. I built the deck knowing that there would be certain stuff that would be hard for the deck to beat. But I would like to see if you guys had any ideas before I have up on trying to find a way to interact with these combos. And for Niv I'm not really sure how to interact with that combo lol
Edit: Concealing that you've got an answer until the last second is much more effective than laying it on the table. There are various ways to give creatures flash, such as Yeva, Nature's Herald. Those cards are probably worth looking into anyway if your deck is almost all creatures since it sucks to be forced to play exclusively at Sorcery speed.
If you don't already, run Crop Rotation and maybe to grab bog or Glacial Chasm to deal with Niv, especially in that color combo (I run it in everything green because it's amazing).
Not all-creatures I know, but there you have it.
Have a bunch of things enter the yard then search out all the combos your opponents have.
I love this card against combo
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WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
I always tend to run 40 in most of my decks. I'm in the camp of I'd rather be flooded than mana screwed. Plus it's vital for the deck to hit land drops because once I'm able to play two big guys a turn it gets the ball rolling so to speak. Plus I want to be able to always have enough mana to replay my Commander.
I'm almost positive I have a Praetor's Grasp I'll have to look through my stuff when I get home from work.
As far as lands go, fetches + Crucible of Worlds makes every deck need less land but also requires a decent investment and I realize not everyone wants to go out and spend a couple hundred bucks for an edh deck. I made foil proxies for all the dual lands to avoid that issue since it's just casual. Fun fact, the duals don't look good as foils. I think it's how light the art is.
That aside, a sacrifice outlet with a recursion engine like Eternal Witness is probably the best way to recur your creature answers. Genesis is also a good option for that, especially paired with something like fauna shaman.
Overall I would say look into how you can reuse your guys that have enter the battlefield triggers, preferably at instant speed. You won't have a lot of ways to interact on other turns otherwise, which means you are kinda stuck with stopping the combos before they start, which all comes down to recognizing which cards those combos hinge on, and getting rid of them asap.
Also Krosan Grip. And Elvish Piper.
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
And I have been tempted to try Birthing Pod in the flex slot but I'd have to but one but they aren't expensive anymore after the ban like 3 or 4 dollars?
And yeah, it sucks when you make a deck and then everyone suggests that you basically toss your concept for something faster and more reliable. I refuse to make the adjustments everyone gives me for my Doran deck, because I don't want it to just be a copy of my Karador deck. That's no fun.
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
Also ya when it comes to deck building restrictions and themes I do not like to deviate but I do appreciate all the suggestions and help you guys are offering though!
I built a Zur deck that wins using Near-Death Experience and Necropotence. What other format could I get away with that in? None!
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
Ya I've had my eye on some of the spell shapers for awhile now just haven't had a deck to really utilize them like I can with Meren so I will definitely be picking up a few different ones to rest out.
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
Ya the deck has actually been a blast to play so far and I'm trying to avoid any combo shenanigans if I can because ppl sometimes get whiney and I don't want to deal with that. Plus it's even more satisftying for me when I can beat ppl without combo lol but elvish piper seems like it could be a decent addtion allowing you to play stuff out back to your hand by Meren. I may have to look into that.