So in my main playgroup, we all play 101 card decks, general included, as a result of an initial misunderstanding of the rules when we first started playing edh (one of my friends even runs 103 cards lol) we decided that we didn't really care, and it kind of stuck, i guess.
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Does anybody else's deck exceed the 100 card limit?
Do any of you guys feel that consistency might suffer from being over 1-2 cards?
Lastly, would anyone have a problem if one guy showed up to to play in a match with a deck that exceeds the limit?
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If I were told, I would feel really weird. It's just a single card, but it still feels kinda unfair you know? I could have fit another of my sweepers/combo piece/utility too, but I kept to rules and made it 100. So why not you?
That doesn't mean I'm pissed though, just.. uncomfortable.
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I've made it a point to tell everyone else other playgroups that I run 101 (and they all seemed cool with it), but if there's any potential discomfort in the back of their minds, it's probably better that I make the cut before I participate in their games.
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Well, truth be told - unless he came out and said his deck was 101 cards, would you really have any way of knowing?
Pretty much this. A stack of 99 cards looks basically identical to a stack of 100 cards visually and if youre not playing in a tournament it isnt worth it to count someone's deck. Id care if someone showed up with a battle of wits deck though because that would mean they are playing under a different set of rules
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Are the rules regarding the numbers of cards you can put in a Commander deck different than those of the other formats? In them, unless those rules have changed as well (it has been so long since I have been to a tournament) you are allowed to go over the minimum of 60, just not under.
Pretty much this. A stack of 99 cards looks basically identical to a stack of 100 cards visually and if youre not playing in a tournament it isnt worth it to count someone's deck. Id care if someone showed up with a battle of wits deck though because that would mean they are playing under a different set of rules
In casual I really dont care and never think about it, but when I sit down at a side event I always wonder how many cards people have in their deck, but as far as I know we have now way to verify.
Edit: I am also very suspicious of those guys who use Ultra Pro or Dragon Shield card sleeves but have their general in a different color sleeve since those come in packs of 50 or 100
In casual I really dont care and never think about it, but when I sit down at a side event I always wonder how many cards people have in their deck, but as far as I know we have now way to verify.
Edit: I am also very suspicious of those guys who use Ultra Pro or Dragon Shield card sleeves but have their general in a different color sleeve since those come in packs of 50 or 100
So what do you do if a single one of your sleeves gets lost/stolen/breaks/gets destroyed? I hate that Ultra Pro sleeves come in exactly 50 or 100 since you have to buy another whole pack if you lose one.
I hate that Ultra Pro sleeves come in exactly 50 or 100 since you have to buy another whole pack if you lose one.
I think this guy might have answered your question
I do understand that putting your general in a different sleeve, for whatever reason, is pretty much an accepted practice but by doing so it does open up the possibility of running a 101 cards in my mind.
Edit: Again I could care less about it in casual play, put if I am paying money to enter a tournament of some sort I am expecting everyone to follow the rules and if someone is playing with just 1 extra card they have an unfair advantage over everyone else
In most decks 1 card extra won't make a difference, but in more tuned decks it will. If that deck is a tutor deck now he has one extra tutor, win con, or counterspell. People who use toolbox decks will be at an advantage. It may sound like I care too much about just 1 extra card in a casual format. It's easier to have fun in a game when you know everybody is at least not cheating. It would be like in the aweful game Risk if you start out with an extra man. I would focus on that and end up not having as much fun as I could have.
For me, I buy sleeves and they come in packs of 100. Kinda locks me down for having 100 cards in my deck.
I'd love to put more cards in all my decks. However, understand that adding more cards only hurts the efficiency of your build. In a casual setting, that doesn't matter as much, but if you want your deck to 'work', odds are you don't want to pack in more than you have to.
I count all my opponents' decks before we start any game. If they aren't 100 cards on the button I kick them out.
If you explain that your other group plays with 101 card decks I wouldn't care, especially for a game or two. That said, I see no reason at all not to adjust your deck to the rules now that you guys are aware.
In casual I really dont care and never think about it, but when I sit down at a side event I always wonder how many cards people have in their deck, but as far as I know we have now way to verify.
Edit: I am also very suspicious of those guys who use Ultra Pro or Dragon Shield card sleeves but have their general in a different color sleeve since those come in packs of 50 or 100
Your general does have to be in a different sleeve. Sheldon and the other RC guys have stated that it has to be recognizable anywhere.
For what? In casual play we just put our generals together and everyone knows who is playing what before we start... Seems weird to have to unsleeve and resleeve the general whenever he gets tucked (or have a backup).
Your general does have to be in a different sleeve. Sheldon and the other RC guys have stated that it has to be recognizable anywhere.
Incorrect. There was a discussion about it a while back and it was determined that your general can't be identifiable while in the library.
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Yeah, Toby and I talked about this today. If the General is in the library in a random location, then there's no rule that lets anyone identify it. The card still has "Generalness," but that has no real impact when it's in the deck. I play with my General in a toploader but also in a sleeve that matches the rest of the deck, just in case it gets tucked, which seems to me to be the right thing to do.
I too would be uncomfortable. In the past, when trying to reconcile the differences between my IRL lists and the ones I post here, I have found one or two of my decks that somehow ended up at 101 cards instead of 100. A technicality that was shortly remedied.
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Your general does have to be in a different sleeve. Sheldon and the other RC guys have stated that it has to be recognizable anywhere.
Your Commander has an intrinsic "property" that makes it identifiable in all zones, regardless of whether or not that information would typically be hidden. That means even a face-down Commander amidst several other Morphed creatures is known to be exactly what it is, and a Commander in your library is also identifiable as such. The best way to accomplish this is to use different sleeves for your Commander than for the rest of your deck. When required to do so, make sure you sufficiently randomize the deck by using a "blind shuffle." This ruling has since been overturned. A commander in the library cannot be identified as such. Use the same sleeves for your commander as you do for everything else. (Source: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6763221#post6763221 -- Thanks viperesque!)
However, under Commander Rule #9, a face-down Commander is still a Commander. This just isn't necessarily public information.
I can understand misinterpreting the rules when starting. But willfully continuing to effectively cheat (and yes, you are cheating by having more than 100 cards) is wrong. Now before you say "but it's a casual game" I wouldn't let someone in Monopoly start with ane extra 50 dollars either, and that is exactly what you are doing. You know the rules, now fix your deck.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Weirdly enough I bought my first set of DragonShields. And after a month of playing the deck decided to do a number crunch and figure out my average CMC. I had 40 lands and kept counting 64 spells... Turns out it had 4 extra sleeves. I was kinda annoyed, but the extras are nice if one blows out.
But yeah I would not be super comfortable with someone playing more card then the rules allow. It is not much different then saying."Well I have 2 a card in my deck. I know the rule is one, but this is close enough, right?
Lol I'll never forget my first EDH deck it had 33 lands in it and it was over 100 cards when people found out they didn't care or anything and we all laughed about it afterwards but I did make sure to change it to fit to the rules I feel it just makes things a lot simpler
Edit: I am also very suspicious of those guys who use Ultra Pro or Dragon Shield card sleeves but have their general in a different color sleeve since those come in packs of 50 or 100
Dragon Shield also supplies you around 5 extra sleeves to begin with, just in case one gets damaged. So regardless of whether or not I put my general in a different sleeve, I could still potentially have 105 cards in my deck.
I can understand misinterpreting the rules when starting. But willfully continuing to effectively cheat (and yes, you are cheating by having more than 100 cards) is wrong. Now before you say "but it's a casual game" I wouldn't let someone in Monopoly start with ane extra 50 dollars either, and that is exactly what you are doing. You know the rules, now fix your deck.
Ironically, by having additional cards in his deck, he's actually lowering the probability of drawing any one specific card; thus his deck is worse off than if he had 100 cards.
I would enforce 100 cards if a player came to the table with less than 100 has he is increasing the probability of executing his wincons.
If he wants to play with a worse deck in a casual game, why not let him?
On that note, I said casual game. If it's an 'official casual game' as opposed to a 'casual casual game' (is there a difference? :rolleyes:) then he should probably just make his deck 100 cards.
If his entire meta uses 101 cards, so what? They can. My meta doesn't use general damage. I guess officially that means we're not technically playing EDH, but I say 'meh' to that. It's a casual game. If I went to the LGS and pulled out a deck, I most certainly would expect to be playing with general damage. It is in the rules after all.
Random questions:
Does anybody else's deck exceed the 100 card limit?
Do any of you guys feel that consistency might suffer from being over 1-2 cards?
Lastly, would anyone have a problem if one guy showed up to to play in a match with a deck that exceeds the limit?
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I've made it a point to tell everyone else other playgroups that I run 101 (and they all seemed cool with it), but if there's any potential discomfort in the back of their minds, it's probably better that I make the cut before I participate in their games.
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Pretty much this. A stack of 99 cards looks basically identical to a stack of 100 cards visually and if youre not playing in a tournament it isnt worth it to count someone's deck. Id care if someone showed up with a battle of wits deck though because that would mean they are playing under a different set of rules
Bear this in mind the next time a powerful mythic rare is spoiled
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In casual I really dont care and never think about it, but when I sit down at a side event I always wonder how many cards people have in their deck, but as far as I know we have now way to verify.
Edit: I am also very suspicious of those guys who use Ultra Pro or Dragon Shield card sleeves but have their general in a different color sleeve since those come in packs of 50 or 100
So what do you do if a single one of your sleeves gets lost/stolen/breaks/gets destroyed? I hate that Ultra Pro sleeves come in exactly 50 or 100 since you have to buy another whole pack if you lose one.
I think this guy might have answered your question
I do understand that putting your general in a different sleeve, for whatever reason, is pretty much an accepted practice but by doing so it does open up the possibility of running a 101 cards in my mind.
Edit: Again I could care less about it in casual play, put if I am paying money to enter a tournament of some sort I am expecting everyone to follow the rules and if someone is playing with just 1 extra card they have an unfair advantage over everyone else
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For me, I buy sleeves and they come in packs of 100. Kinda locks me down for having 100 cards in my deck.
I'd love to put more cards in all my decks. However, understand that adding more cards only hurts the efficiency of your build. In a casual setting, that doesn't matter as much, but if you want your deck to 'work', odds are you don't want to pack in more than you have to.
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If you explain that your other group plays with 101 card decks I wouldn't care, especially for a game or two. That said, I see no reason at all not to adjust your deck to the rules now that you guys are aware.
Your general does have to be in a different sleeve. Sheldon and the other RC guys have stated that it has to be recognizable anywhere.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyIncorrect. There was a discussion about it a while back and it was determined that your general can't be identifiable while in the library.
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This has since been repealed. Thank goodness.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6763221#post6763221
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This must have been before my time because I have never heard about it, but I looked this up and found out that it has been overruled.
From the command forum FAQ
Edit: Wow two people beat me to it
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicylol, if someone actually did this, I'd slap them with my private parts.
But yeah I would not be super comfortable with someone playing more card then the rules allow. It is not much different then saying."Well I have 2 a card in my deck. I know the rule is one, but this is close enough, right?
Dragon Shield also supplies you around 5 extra sleeves to begin with, just in case one gets damaged. So regardless of whether or not I put my general in a different sleeve, I could still potentially have 105 cards in my deck.
Ironically, by having additional cards in his deck, he's actually lowering the probability of drawing any one specific card; thus his deck is worse off than if he had 100 cards.
I would enforce 100 cards if a player came to the table with less than 100 has he is increasing the probability of executing his wincons.
If he wants to play with a worse deck in a casual game, why not let him?
On that note, I said casual game. If it's an 'official casual game' as opposed to a 'casual casual game' (is there a difference? :rolleyes:) then he should probably just make his deck 100 cards.
If his entire meta uses 101 cards, so what? They can. My meta doesn't use general damage. I guess officially that means we're not technically playing EDH, but I say 'meh' to that. It's a casual game. If I went to the LGS and pulled out a deck, I most certainly would expect to be playing with general damage. It is in the rules after all.
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