i didn't build this deck on a serious level but wanted to tune it up a bit and mostly just to piss a buddy off ha, hes been playing zombie mill a lot lately and i just really wanna take his hand away from him in a fun casual way this is what i gut .
Looks like a fun concept. A few budget casual suggestions:
1) As mentioned above, Black Vise doesn't really have anything to do with discard. If your deck is making him discard properly, then Black Vise will do almost no damage... So card probably doesn't belong.
2) Cursed Rack seems good in theory, but if your discard deck is doing its job right, then he shouldn't have more than 4 cards in hand by the time you get to 4 mana anyway. So then this card really doesn't do much.
3) 2-for-1 discard will be your bread-and-butter to keep his hand small and piss him off. I'm talking cards like Hymn to Tourach, Wrench Mind, even Stupor. Raven's Crime is also good because if you get land flooded you can dump extra lands to the Retrace and decimate his hand.
4) Scythe Specter seems too slow, at 6 mana. And it looks like primarily a multiplayer card. Are you using this for 1v1? It will be hard to cast in a 20-swamp deck too.
5) If you want to run Hippie and Guul Draz Specter effectively, you need to run 4 Dark Ritual. The Specters are really scary when they come down on turn 1 or 2 but get a lot less threatening when they land much later in the game. But with Ritual, you can play turn 1 Hypnotic Specter and then your buddy will feel the burn!
the funny thing about Liliana of the Veil i had one and sold it thinking id never make a deck out of it but i do see what you guys mean i just hope i have enough of those others to sub them in i dont really want to buy anything as this is just to mess around not be competitive
there is so much discard out there, you really shouldn't have to worry about kill spells- because if you let them cast something big and threatening, you're not playing the deck right.
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ive made some edits based on your awesome input guys im gunna try this out tomorrow night in my playground see how it fairs against that zombie mill unfortunately i only have two hymm's couldnt make that 4
i think i might have some Inquisition of Kozilek if not a playset at least 2-3 are there any creatures i should look into? i tried out the two specters i have hypnotic worked well the other two ended being extremely slow
Yeah Guul Draz and Scythe are examples of creatures that may seem powerful on paper but are actually bad. Hypnotic Specter is about the slowest you can afford a Specter to be. You need it to come down early and start attacking soon so it is ripping their hand apart early.
How do you find Cursed Rack? It will probably get you less value than something like Necrogen Mists or Scepter of Fugue and even costs more mana.
You probably have enough win-cons with the racks and Shrieking Afflictions, but have you consider Nyxathid and/or Nihilith as well?
Nihilith is nice with all the discarding you are doing to the opponent and has decent evasion, while the Nyxathid has a reasonable sized body with your opponent low on cards. Perhaps over the more expensive specters like Scythe Specter?
20 Swamp
Artifacts 12
4 The Rack
4 Cursed Rack
4 Black Vise
4 Guul Draz Specter
4 Hypnotic Specter
2 Scythe Specter
Enchantments 11
3 Liliana's Caress
4 Shrieking Affliction
4 Blight
4 Doom Blade
3 Corrupt
you could probably do without cards like Black Vise and Blight
1) As mentioned above, Black Vise doesn't really have anything to do with discard. If your deck is making him discard properly, then Black Vise will do almost no damage... So card probably doesn't belong.
2) Cursed Rack seems good in theory, but if your discard deck is doing its job right, then he shouldn't have more than 4 cards in hand by the time you get to 4 mana anyway. So then this card really doesn't do much.
3) 2-for-1 discard will be your bread-and-butter to keep his hand small and piss him off. I'm talking cards like Hymn to Tourach, Wrench Mind, even Stupor. Raven's Crime is also good because if you get land flooded you can dump extra lands to the Retrace and decimate his hand.
4) Scythe Specter seems too slow, at 6 mana. And it looks like primarily a multiplayer card. Are you using this for 1v1? It will be hard to cast in a 20-swamp deck too.
5) If you want to run Hippie and Guul Draz Specter effectively, you need to run 4 Dark Ritual. The Specters are really scary when they come down on turn 1 or 2 but get a lot less threatening when they land much later in the game. But with Ritual, you can play turn 1 Hypnotic Specter and then your buddy will feel the burn!
6) Don't worry about buying Liliana of the Veil. Too expensive for casual.
Dying Wail on something like Drainpipe Rats or Augur of Skulls works wonders.
Horrifying Revelations is just too good to pass up.
Mind burst is fun.
Mind Sludge is devastating late game.
there is so much discard out there, you really shouldn't have to worry about kill spells- because if you let them cast something big and threatening, you're not playing the deck right.
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23 Swamp
Artifacts 8
4 The Rack
4 Cursed Rack
Creatures 8
2 Guul Draz Specter
4 Hypnotic Specter
2 Scythe Specter
3 Liliana's Caress
4 Shrieking Affliction
Spells 14
4 Dark Ritual
2 Hymm to Tourach
4 Wrench Mind
4 Pulling Teeth
How do you find Cursed Rack? It will probably get you less value than something like Necrogen Mists or Scepter of Fugue and even costs more mana.
Nihilith is nice with all the discarding you are doing to the opponent and has decent evasion, while the Nyxathid has a reasonable sized body with your opponent low on cards. Perhaps over the more expensive specters like Scythe Specter?
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