The main idea with this deck is to play megrim/ lilliana's caress, then barbed shocker over and over FTW. I'm also liking cards like burning inquiry, but I dont know a whole lot of cards like this... Does anybody else know any good creatures/spells that do this drawing/discarding thing?
You might want temple bell: it'll make them discard when they have no cards: you swing, activate it, and you draw a card, and they discard the drawn card.
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If you need discard in BR, you can't go wrong with Blightning. As for creatures, most specters work, such as Liliana's Specter, Guul Draz Specter, or good ol' Hypnotic Specter. One of the best black creatures to use in discard is Abyssal Nocturnus, he can grow quite large in multiplayer. You could also think of alternate wins aside from the Megrims and Caresses or just other solutions. Liliana Vess is perfect after all for discard and even better after there's a great deal of creatures in the graveyard or you can just exile everything in graveyards with Haunting Echoes.
@kenneth wong: Thanks for pointing out shocker, and wheel of fortune would be cool if it didn't cost 40$... This deck should have a pretty quick win, if it wins at all. I don't think I'll need the temple bell, but it's a good sideboard for long games.
@mondu_the_fat: Anvil of Bogardan is interesting, but I dont know...
@Raffle: I play all those cards in my other R/B discard, but this one isn't about discarding their hand so they have no resources, it's about comboing with megrim/caress, so discarding all their stuff is pretty useless... Abyssal Nocturnus seems legit, that's maindeck, if I had any room.
I've been playing with this deck today (proxied) and so far the highlights are that one game I did 18 damage T3 and 48 damage T4. I was playing a three way game and I did 18 damage to two people at once FTW with burning inquiry. The problem is it's very fragile and if they have any kill spells on tap (lightning bolt and doom blade in particular) it gets set back a few turns until I can draw up another shocker. Also, celestial purge destroys this deck... It was having some trouble with dealing with creatures out and dealing damage, so I put in Terminate. All in all, I'm having fun with it.
the fire whip allows you to ping your opponents without having to attack. it's a neat interaction because it allows you to ping yourself for a new hand of cards if you're running short of answers! this is truly a great way to break this deck wide open.
also consider 4x swarmyard to protect your shockers. hey, they could even function as solid blockers with one of these in play.
lightning bolt and chain of plasma all allow you to deal with creature problems. the upside is they all can be pointed at their face for finishers and chain of plasma makes them discard if they want to swing it back at you (also allowing you to swing it back at them for a second time. 6 damage and a discard for 2 mana. ouch!).
blightning is just perverse in this deck.
other options are:
chain of smog
this card might seem like a rubbish alternative to hymn to tourach, but with megrim it's so much more. if they decide to swing it back at you, you've got the option to swing it right back in their face for a second time. with megrim in play that's a bomb.
and of course plain ol' liliana vess who would actually smooth this whole deck down a lot, i feel. if you're sucked into playing a long game by a slow deck, liliana could break it in your favour.
if you're still having trouble with quicker decks, try sideboarding in a couple of extra burn spells to smooth out your damage delivery until the discard effects take over.
lastly, memory jar is always good, even if it is banned. depends on whether you're playing casually or not.
4 Shocker
4 Barbed Shocker
4 Burning Inquiry
4 wheel of fate
Damage
4 Lilliana's Caress
4 Megrim
4 Viridian Longbow
4 lightning bolt
4 Dark Ritual
1 terminate
8 swamp
7 mountain
4 swarmyard
4 dragonskull summit
4 Temple Bell
4 Anvil of Bogardan
4 Abyssal Nocturnus
3 terminate
The main idea with this deck is to play megrim/ lilliana's caress, then barbed shocker over and over FTW. I'm also liking cards like burning inquiry, but I dont know a whole lot of cards like this... Does anybody else know any good creatures/spells that do this drawing/discarding thing?
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WMaw of the Obzedat PDHB
Also, run Wheel of fortune or wheel of fate: basically, it can refuel your then empty hand and kill them with it.
You might want temple bell: it'll make them discard when they have no cards: you swing, activate it, and you draw a card, and they discard the drawn card.
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I'd suggest using dark rituals to get megrim and caress out faster.
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@mondu_the_fat: Anvil of Bogardan is interesting, but I dont know...
@Raffle: I play all those cards in my other R/B discard, but this one isn't about discarding their hand so they have no resources, it's about comboing with megrim/caress, so discarding all their stuff is pretty useless... Abyssal Nocturnus seems legit, that's maindeck, if I had any room.
I've been playing with this deck today (proxied) and so far the highlights are that one game I did 18 damage T3 and 48 damage T4. I was playing a three way game and I did 18 damage to two people at once FTW with burning inquiry. The problem is it's very fragile and if they have any kill spells on tap (lightning bolt and doom blade in particular) it gets set back a few turns until I can draw up another shocker. Also, celestial purge destroys this deck... It was having some trouble with dealing with creatures out and dealing damage, so I put in Terminate. All in all, I'm having fun with it.
BPauper Glissa EDHG
WMaw of the Obzedat PDHB
drop all of your "helpers" cards (apart from dark ritual.... maybe). they just slow you down.
replace them with these =D.
the fire whip allows you to ping your opponents without having to attack. it's a neat interaction because it allows you to ping yourself for a new hand of cards if you're running short of answers! this is truly a great way to break this deck wide open.
also consider 4x swarmyard to protect your shockers. hey, they could even function as solid blockers with one of these in play.
lightning bolt and chain of plasma all allow you to deal with creature problems. the upside is they all can be pointed at their face for finishers and chain of plasma makes them discard if they want to swing it back at you (also allowing you to swing it back at them for a second time. 6 damage and a discard for 2 mana. ouch!).
blightning is just perverse in this deck.
other options are:
chain of smog
this card might seem like a rubbish alternative to hymn to tourach, but with megrim it's so much more. if they decide to swing it back at you, you've got the option to swing it right back in their face for a second time. with megrim in play that's a bomb.
and of course plain ol' liliana vess who would actually smooth this whole deck down a lot, i feel. if you're sucked into playing a long game by a slow deck, liliana could break it in your favour.
if you're still having trouble with quicker decks, try sideboarding in a couple of extra burn spells to smooth out your damage delivery until the discard effects take over.
lastly, memory jar is always good, even if it is banned. depends on whether you're playing casually or not.
for land, dragonskull summit is a 'need'.
It doesn't as long as you avoid Alpha/Beta/Unlimited. Revised/CE WoF, you're looking at a $5-7 card. Wheel of Fate is probably $5 for 4x.
Such a splashy effect anyway...if you play casual magic, you'll have a little more fun owning one of these. You'll never regret it.
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