I wouldn't say a land that wins you the game, but maybe a creature that has something like if you control 5+ gates (forcing people to run atleast 5, which would lead to people probably running 3 colors.) then you win the game.
Maybe his name could be something like Gate-toller? idk.
Or maybe even a creature that makes it to where gates come into play untapped instead of tapped.
You mean bad in the plot? Because the Fey were the bad guys in Lorwyn and they got Bitterblossom, Oona, Thoughtseize...
I think he's just talking about the spoilers since a majority of people are having a hard time grasping that the spoiled cards are not as bad as they seem
i like the idea of the win-con for gates, but maybe put it on an artifact? Artifacts are rare in Ravnica so that would be a good mythic. Control 5 or more gates, tap and sacrifice to win game.
6 Mana is a bit much.
Maybe 3WB, or even WWBB?
The set needs *something* though- it's seriously lacking in removal so far,
and the Orzhov are supposed to be the lords of removal...
The Gate idea is cute.
I could see them doing that.
Maybe it can also add mana of any color a gate you control could produce?
Just to make it a little insane?
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I wouldn't have put it past them to do something like
Soul Sunder 2WWBB
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Destroy all creatures. For each non-token creature put into the graveyard this way, you lose 1 life and put a 1/1 white and black Thrull creature token onto the battlefield.
That's probably within reason, maybe even at just 2WWB.
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I'd personally rather have the wrath destroy any two of like Austere command...Creatures, Planeswalkers, Artifacts, Enchantments...I mean it would be slightly better than Austere for certain decks (i.e. non-swarm), but it'd have that black mana symbol...
The gate idea would be nuts on a land with Scapeshift...I know we already have Valakut + 7 mountains...but still!
Ignore, he is just a random "i hate orzhov" guy. Because the cards spoiled for orzhov don't read on their text "when you cast this, you win".
On topic.
I don't see an unconditional creature sweeper coming for orzhov with Supreme Veredict.
Neither something like winning the game based on gates. The gates looks lika sub-sub-sub-theme '-'
No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
I disagree. You gotta put some effort to extort people. I don't expect to sit on a couch and get people to give me money for free. Gotta spend a little to get a lot, Knaw wut I'm sayin'?
No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
Make sense... and then you would have less control on it.
While this would be more flavorful, it would make the mechanic worse. You claim the mechanic is bad, but what you suggest would make it worse.
- No EoT removal/other instant extorted for you. (Eot i cast tragic slip and extort 2 times, yay!)
- No bad top tecks improvement. (Oh i top deck that Duress, well let's make it drain some life)
- No curve fix. (i have 4 manas but no 4 drops, let's play the 3 drop and gain a bonus)
No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
Whatever makes more sense from a logical/flavour standpoint does not always work from a game design.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may search your library for a Gate card. If you do, reveal it and shuffle your library. Put the revealed card on top of your library.
:symtap:, Sacrifice Guildgates Activator: Each other player loses the game. Activate this ability only if you control ten or more Gates with different names.
No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
Oh yeah because cards that rely on what your opponent does are much better...oh wait.
Extort is pretty cool. Makes me see why the almost-shrieking-drake-functional-reprint we got in Return to Ravnica (or was it M13?) wasn't able to bounce himself.
Honestly I'd wager its going to be the "Dragon's Maze" (even if not the actual card title). The idea being that the maze is Ravnica itself--its maze-like cityscape being merely a physical manifestation of its labyrinthine political landscape forged via the tremulous relationships between the guilds. Being able to navigate either would make you a master of the plane. And something I could see either Nicol Bolas (for his power hungriness) or Niv Mizzet wanting (as its the ultimate test of ones intellect to solve the puzzle). This is a very Gordian Knot sort of symbolism: the knot itself being a symbol for the difficulty one would have uniting the world through peaceful means given how many different factions want to take over the plane.
So there's two ways to solve the issue: destroying the guilds (the resolution we had in the last Ravnica block) or trying to get them to unite by solving the "gate problem" (i.e. if each guild stopped impeding one another's ability to do what the guilds were created to do each guild could flourish without the need to destroy them).
A land that wins you the game if you control 10 gates.
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Maybe his name could be something like Gate-toller? idk.
Or maybe even a creature that makes it to where gates come into play untapped instead of tapped.
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You mean bad in the plot? Because the Fey were the bad guys in Lorwyn and they got Bitterblossom, Oona, Thoughtseize...
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I think he's just talking about the spoilers since a majority of people are having a hard time grasping that the spoiled cards are not as bad as they seem
Ignore, he is just a random "i hate orzhov" guy. Because the cards spoiled for orzhov don't read on their text "when you cast this, you win".
On topic.
I don't see an unconditional creature sweeper coming for orzhov with Supreme Veredict.
Neither something like winning the game based on gates. The gates looks lika sub-sub-sub-theme '-'
Maybe 3WB, or even WWBB?
The set needs *something* though- it's seriously lacking in removal so far,
and the Orzhov are supposed to be the lords of removal...
The Gate idea is cute.
I could see them doing that.
Maybe it can also add mana of any color a gate you control could produce?
Just to make it a little insane?
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
As for the Orzhov removal spell, I'm sure it is coming and, when it
gets here, we'll all have to change our pants and scrub our chairs
down.
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Grimgrin, Zombie HordeUBURWR
Jor Kadeen TronRWRBRU Sedris Beatdown URB
UUU Llawan, Empress of "No" UUU
WBW Vish Kal Tron WBW
GRG Thromok Token GRG
RRR Zo-Zu, Hater of Everything RRR
Soul Sunder 2WWBB
Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. For each non-token creature put into the graveyard this way, you lose 1 life and put a 1/1 white and black Thrull creature token onto the battlefield.
That's probably within reason, maybe even at just 2WWB.
Congratulations, we'll even throw artifacts in for free!
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The gate idea would be nuts on a land with Scapeshift...I know we already have Valakut + 7 mountains...but still!
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3WB or 2WWB
Destroy all Creatures and Planeswalkers.
But i still think it's not very likely to happen...
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Will be kept until 12/31/2013 to prove if Right or Wrong.Proven right 1/27/2013No I just hate what they're doing with orzhov. Seriously, why does extort have to be spells you cast? It would make more sense if it was spells your opponent casts.
I disagree. You gotta put some effort to extort people. I don't expect to sit on a couch and get people to give me money for free. Gotta spend a little to get a lot, Knaw wut I'm sayin'?
While this would be more flavorful, it would make the mechanic worse. You claim the mechanic is bad, but what you suggest would make it worse.
- No EoT removal/other instant extorted for you. (Eot i cast tragic slip and extort 2 times, yay!)
- No bad top tecks improvement. (Oh i top deck that Duress, well let's make it drain some life)
- No curve fix. (i have 4 manas but no 4 drops, let's play the 3 drop and gain a bonus)
Whatever makes more sense from a logical/flavour standpoint does not always work from a game design.
tweaked slightly. To a more printable level.
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Will be kept until 12/31/2013 to prove if Right or Wrong.Proven right 1/27/2013Oh yeah because cards that rely on what your opponent does are much better...oh wait.
Extort is pretty cool. Makes me see why the almost-shrieking-drake-functional-reprint we got in Return to Ravnica (or was it M13?) wasn't able to bounce himself.
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Oh and I predict the land will be the prerelease card for Dragon's Maze.
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So there's two ways to solve the issue: destroying the guilds (the resolution we had in the last Ravnica block) or trying to get them to unite by solving the "gate problem" (i.e. if each guild stopped impeding one another's ability to do what the guilds were created to do each guild could flourish without the need to destroy them).
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Guild Champs.
No Tibor and Lumia.
No Nephilim.
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