Why not, instead of 'chasing idiots off', we just encourage them to improve? Making them feel like **** might make you feel like a cool guy (fact check: that's not what it makes you, it makes you a loser), but fact of the matter is that having a forum full of moronic jackasses is just as bad as a forum full of idiot newbs. I'd rather see the standard raised a little higher than either of those options.
Who's to say which posters are idiots and which ones aren't? What if you're an idiot?
Somehow, you guys just don't get it. It's not like you get put into a box declaring you stupid or not stupid. If you say dumb stuff, people make fun of you. It's as simple as that! I don't know how else to possibly make this concept any easier to understand!
Somehow, you guys just don't get it. It's not like you get put into a box declaring you stupid or not stupid. If you say dumb stuff, people make fun of you. It's as simple as that! I don't know how else to possibly make this concept any easier to understand!
And we don't want the site's atmosphere to be quite so juvenile idiotic. I'm not sure I can make that concept any easier to understand.
By allowing idiots to run rampant, this is exactly what you do.
You should pay more attention to Speak Your Mind. I don't like rampant idiocy any more than you do. I, in fact, probably like it a lot less than you since I've in all likelihood put far more effort into this community than you ever will. Idiots crap all over that work and drive the quality of the site down. I agree with you on that. I just don't think rampant jackassery is a good solution. Nor is it one the staff will ever consider.
Allowing them to run rampant, hey? I see the mod staff putting a fair amount of effort towards curbing the stupid.
You're stubbornly clinging to the idea that new, over-excited players aren't going to continue signing up to the forum at speed.
All you're suggesting doing is replacing "stupid" with "mean + stupid". Quality.
Honestly, the mods do not curb the stupid I am referring to. I am referring to people whose opinions and thoughts are idiotic, but not breaking any rules. Under the current atmosphere of this site, nothing can really be done about these people.
There's nothing stubborn or clinging about it. If the site had a reputation for getting rid of stupid players, they would still sign up in droves, but would be pushed away as well. You sound resigned to this as inevitable, instead of actually trying to change this.
That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting inserting stupid with mean. Once stupid leaves, so does mean.
This isn't complicated!
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Allowing them to run rampant, hey? I see the mod staff putting a fair amount of effort towards curbing the stupid.
In fairness to him, despite our best efforts, posters like he's describing do comprise the majority of the userbase. For a variety of reasons (laziness, ignorance, confusion, youth, immaturity, etc) they reside below the standard for quality posters. In truth, they only really run rampant during Rumor season, but that's no fault of the 'Mill staff. It's four against thousands so I can't blame them if they're fighting a losing battle for six weeks four times a year.
You're stubbornly clinging to the idea that new, over-excited players aren't going to continue signing up to the forum at speed.
Nor does he allow for their capacity for change. Which I believe is foolish.
One need only look at Annorax to see how change is possible on this site. Or just look at themselves.
All you're suggesting doing is replacing "stupid" with "mean + stupid". Quality.
Bene, I have seen what the Rumor Mill is for nearly a decade now, from when it was on News, to it moving here, to today. The stupid is unimaginably resilient. It has always been this way, the only change has been the number of people posting steadily rising.
If you think being mean will drive the stupid away, you clearly never participated at misetings when it was thriving. The stupid was ruthlessly savaged at every turn; the stupid continued to flow. + at least there, we had the numbers on our side.
If *you* want to wade into the discussion of why card X is terrible with Timmy Hamhands, that is your deal. Expecting them to improve is a recipe for frustration. You fix one, two more take his place. It's your time.
There are other places I prefer to go to discuss magical cards, because those places are not magnets for hamhands.
If you think being mean will drive the stupid away, you clearly never participated at misetings when it was thriving. The stupid was ruthlessly savaged at every turn; the stupid continued to flow. + at least there, we had the numbers on our side.
I was not involved in the MTG community during misetings' heyday, though I guarantee they did a better job culling the masses than MTGS.
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You are allowed to disagree with me. I have not called you names, nor have I told you to "shut up". If you cannot be civil, I suggest you refrain from this discussion.
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You are allowed to disagree with me. I have not called you names, nor have I told you to "shut up". If you cannot be civil, I suggest you refrain from this discussion.
Oh, wait. You don't like being flamed? I'm sorry. If you don't like it, then don't suggest it and push for it so hard.
There are different types of idiocy. I'll admit that there is irony in this situation; but ONLY if you haven't been able to comprehend what I'm getting at. You are truly a fool of the highest order if you can't see the difference in this instance compared to what I've been discussing.
Not to mention that, assuming the rules are the same, you should receive an infraction.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Seriously? Do you EVER have any arguments other than a slippery slope?
Have you made one that is not an ad hominem argument?
Every time someone brings an argument against you, instead of dealing with their argument you have just said "well, your X, so that is why you would say Y."
You seem to think you're riding a mighty high horse there buddy, calling others 'dumb' and 'stupid.' If you care to look down I think you will find you're riding a Jackass.
Why not, instead of 'chasing idiots off', we just encourage them to improve? Making them feel like **** might make you feel like a cool guy (fact check: that's not what it makes you, it makes you a loser), but fact of the matter is that having a forum full of moronic jackasses is just as bad as a forum full of idiot newbs. I'd rather see the standard raised a little higher than either of those options.
^ exactly Right. They are saying choose A) or B)
A) A bunch of stupid people.
B) A bunch of mean pretentious picks.
This is a false choice. For one, no matter how many 'stupid people' you drive off, there will always be more out there, joining, or simply becoming.
Instead of trying to chase away every idiot (and I think we can all agree it can take a long time to just drive away one) you should be trying to reform the ones you have, or look for other quicker solutions.
Do you really want the forums such that every time one kind of person posts the next 5 posts are just a bunch of flames? If it was like that no real discussion could ever take place.
I could only imagine what would happen to threads if every time I posted 5 people would show up and start throwing random insults back and forth.... wait......
I think the irony is that the other dude got suspended, but that's just me.
I'll give rianalnn the benefit of the doubt and assume that's what he meant.
I like how you joined misetings and now think you're a pretty cool guy, you're not smart or witty, your just acting dumb because you think it will make people like you.
Its also funny that some people go around ranting and saying "derp derp so and so has a stupid opinion and is a stupid poster and i am the judge of who is stupid hear me rawrrrrrr" everyone is gonna have a stupid opinion of something once in awhile, it can't be helped. I do agree the the average poster in the rumor mill is stupid but that can't be stopped.
If I could get access to the cool and amazing players on this site, and without the moderators, this site would be a billion times better. I've found them to be petty, irrational, in one case outright abusive (using PMs to call me all sorts of names, none of which were returned).
The players and contributors on these forums make them. IMHO they deserve far, far better moderation.
lol, are you serious? this site would be better without mods? hahahaha you're insane, without mods this site would go to hell, it would be nothing but a huge spamming and flaming-fest, do you have any experience with forums at all? if you didn't you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. If their were no mods the players and contributers would not be here, the mods are the people who remove the people that shouldn't be here so the people that should be here stay here.
QFT. I do not want to think about what any forum would look like without mods.
hmm.... maybe... yeah, it would be funny to make one like that, now that I DO think about it.... wait... no, the spam bots would ruin it.....
Not quite. The irony is that makingnotches was suspended for defending this site's level of moderation, whereas you continue to complain about a level of moderation that, if it really existed, would already have seen you permabanned.
OB clearly does not care. Either he does not mind being a martyr for his cause, or he is someone's alt.
If I could get access to the cool and amazing players on this site, and without the moderators, this site would be a billion times better. I've found them to be petty, irrational, in one case outright abusive (using PMs to call me all sorts of names, none of which were returned).
The players and contributors on these forums make them. IMHO they deserve far, far better moderation.
You deserved every moderation you got.
You just think a moderator has it out for you, when in actuality, you are not posting with due respect to other members or threads' current topics.
Making an unsupported jab at something in debate is against the rules of that forum. Posting later to say it is 'proven fact' doesn't help either.
Calling another individual a sociopath (for their opinions) shouldn't be tolerated in debate (or anywhere, for that matter). That doesn't allow for intelligent discussion.
The staff is doing a fine job. The rules were here when you signed up, and never changed. You would have been moderated the same by anyone, all of your infractions/warnings are very clear cut.
Who's to say which posters are idiots and which ones aren't? What if you're an idiot?
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People that think conflux is a quality piece of cardboard generally don't/won't have the mental capabilities to be too snarky.
And we don't want the site's atmosphere to be quite so juvenile idiotic. I'm not sure I can make that concept any easier to understand.
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By allowing idiots to run rampant, this is exactly what you do.
You should pay more attention to Speak Your Mind. I don't like rampant idiocy any more than you do. I, in fact, probably like it a lot less than you since I've in all likelihood put far more effort into this community than you ever will. Idiots crap all over that work and drive the quality of the site down. I agree with you on that. I just don't think rampant jackassery is a good solution. Nor is it one the staff will ever consider.
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You're stubbornly clinging to the idea that new, over-excited players aren't going to continue signing up to the forum at speed.
All you're suggesting doing is replacing "stupid" with "mean + stupid". Quality.
Honestly, the mods do not curb the stupid I am referring to. I am referring to people whose opinions and thoughts are idiotic, but not breaking any rules. Under the current atmosphere of this site, nothing can really be done about these people.
There's nothing stubborn or clinging about it. If the site had a reputation for getting rid of stupid players, they would still sign up in droves, but would be pushed away as well. You sound resigned to this as inevitable, instead of actually trying to change this.
That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting inserting stupid with mean. Once stupid leaves, so does mean.
This isn't complicated!
In fairness to him, despite our best efforts, posters like he's describing do comprise the majority of the userbase. For a variety of reasons (laziness, ignorance, confusion, youth, immaturity, etc) they reside below the standard for quality posters. In truth, they only really run rampant during Rumor season, but that's no fault of the 'Mill staff. It's four against thousands so I can't blame them if they're fighting a losing battle for six weeks four times a year.
Nor does he allow for their capacity for change. Which I believe is foolish.
One need only look at Annorax to see how change is possible on this site. Or just look at themselves.
My thoughts exactly.
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Katingal: Plane of Chains
If you think being mean will drive the stupid away, you clearly never participated at misetings when it was thriving. The stupid was ruthlessly savaged at every turn; the stupid continued to flow. + at least there, we had the numbers on our side.
If *you* want to wade into the discussion of why card X is terrible with Timmy Hamhands, that is your deal. Expecting them to improve is a recipe for frustration. You fix one, two more take his place. It's your time.
There are other places I prefer to go to discuss magical cards, because those places are not magnets for hamhands.
I was not involved in the MTG community during misetings' heyday, though I guarantee they did a better job culling the masses than MTGS.
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Oh, wait. You don't like being flamed? I'm sorry. If you don't like it, then don't suggest it and push for it so hard.
Point proven; case closed.
Someone lock this thread so the idiocy can end.
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Not to mention that, assuming the rules are the same, you should receive an infraction.
Looks like you did.
It's because currently, O_B would be punished for insulting morons, and he wants to stay within the rules. I don't see how that is irony.
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I'll give rianalnn the benefit of the doubt and assume that's what he meant.
The "cake" is currently under one set of rules, which I abide by. He chose not to. That is not my issue.
Have you made one that is not an ad hominem argument?
Every time someone brings an argument against you, instead of dealing with their argument you have just said "well, your X, so that is why you would say Y."
You seem to think you're riding a mighty high horse there buddy, calling others 'dumb' and 'stupid.' If you care to look down I think you will find you're riding a Jackass.
^ exactly Right. They are saying choose A) or B)
A) A bunch of stupid people.
B) A bunch of mean pretentious picks.
This is a false choice. For one, no matter how many 'stupid people' you drive off, there will always be more out there, joining, or simply becoming.
Instead of trying to chase away every idiot (and I think we can all agree it can take a long time to just drive away one) you should be trying to reform the ones you have, or look for other quicker solutions.
Do you really want the forums such that every time one kind of person posts the next 5 posts are just a bunch of flames? If it was like that no real discussion could ever take place.
I could only imagine what would happen to threads if every time I posted 5 people would show up and start throwing random insults back and forth.... wait......
I like how you joined misetings and now think you're a pretty cool guy, you're not smart or witty, your just acting dumb because you think it will make people like you.
Its also funny that some people go around ranting and saying "derp derp so and so has a stupid opinion and is a stupid poster and i am the judge of who is stupid hear me rawrrrrrr" everyone is gonna have a stupid opinion of something once in awhile, it can't be helped. I do agree the the average poster in the rumor mill is stupid but that can't be stopped.
lol, are you serious? this site would be better without mods? hahahaha you're insane, without mods this site would go to hell, it would be nothing but a huge spamming and flaming-fest, do you have any experience with forums at all? if you didn't you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. If their were no mods the players and contributers would not be here, the mods are the people who remove the people that shouldn't be here so the people that should be here stay here.
QFT. I do not want to think about what any forum would look like without mods.
hmm.... maybe... yeah, it would be funny to make one like that, now that I DO think about it.... wait... no, the spam bots would ruin it.....
OB clearly does not care. Either he does not mind being a martyr for his cause, or he is someone's alt.
If this is true, I would recommend posting the PM's on this thread or on the mod's help desk.
You deserved every moderation you got.
You just think a moderator has it out for you, when in actuality, you are not posting with due respect to other members or threads' current topics.
Making an unsupported jab at something in debate is against the rules of that forum. Posting later to say it is 'proven fact' doesn't help either.
Calling another individual a sociopath (for their opinions) shouldn't be tolerated in debate (or anywhere, for that matter). That doesn't allow for intelligent discussion.
The staff is doing a fine job. The rules were here when you signed up, and never changed. You would have been moderated the same by anyone, all of your infractions/warnings are very clear cut.
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