I believe Snaps will drop below $15 during rotation despite seeing play in Legacy/Modern. When Stoneforge banned/rotated out, she was a Legacy staple back then and still could be had for about $8 a piece around that time after peaking at $20.
I believe Snaps will drop below $15 during rotation despite seeing play in Legacy/Modern. When Stoneforge banned/rotated out, she was a Legacy staple back then and still could be had for about $8 a piece around that time after peaking at $20.
It was also printed as a 2-of in an event deck.
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Everyone agrees that snapcaster is insane in formats where cheap instants and sorceries dominate. In those formats I don't see snapcaster mage as being less powerful than stoneforge mystic. As such, what is preventing Wizards from banning Snapcaster Mage in modern in the future?
Same could be said for Legacy. Then again, they're already curving spells awesomeness and pushing creatures. Makes me sad, and this is coming from a guy who likes turning creatures sideways. Same goes for Modern.
Even with a huge supply of Snapcasters, I still think his price in the long run will maintain over $15. I think a lot of people have seen how good Snappy is and are predicting that he will maintain a high value over time; because of this even if the price temporarily drops to about $10 I think people will go on a buying spree to clear out every $10 Snapcaster, purely due to the fact that once the market inflates again, he can easily sell them for $15+ a piece because, as mentioned by many people including myself, he's a VERY good two drop that will continue to see play in eternal formats. Even if there is a huge supply of Snappys, it would not surprise me if people started to hoard them post-rotation when/if they drop in price.
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Comparison of Stoneforge to Snappy is oranges and apples, SFM is only really played in Stoneblade decks, Maverick used to run a couple but they've completely cut her out of the 75. SFM is ban in modern as well, probably keeping her from going up from her current price tag. Snappy can be played in all the Island decks if they wanted too. RUG delver, Stoneblade, Bant, moving to modern, RUG delver, American delver, Cawblade builds, UW control, moving to standard, UW delver, Esper midrange, American midrange, RUG delver, RUG ramp, Solar Flare. Maybe he'll hit 10ish when rotation happens but he'll slowly climb back up.
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Even with a huge supply of Snapcasters, I still think his price in the long run will maintain over $15. I think a lot of people have seen how good Snappy is and are predicting that he will maintain a high value over time; because of this even if the price temporarily drops to about $10 I think people will go on a buying spree to clear out every $10 Snapcaster, purely due to the fact that once the market inflates again, he can easily sell them for $15+ a piece because, as mentioned by many people including myself, he's a VERY good two drop that will continue to see play in eternal formats. Even if there is a huge supply of Snappys, it would not surprise me if people started to hoard them post-rotation when/if they drop in price.
I've got mixed feeling about your prediction. While I agree some people will definitely buy some Snappy's after rotation for let's say 10$. But I disagree with they just do that to get a 5$ profit in the future.
Come on if someone is willing to "invest" 10bucks to get 5bucks profit after some month's or even year's I'd recommend to work longer on some days...
So in this case I'm telling you, they won't buy them to make a ridiculous-small profit, they'll buy it because they have more decks where Snappy fit's in and they're to lazy/busy to change/move the cards into other sleeves etc.
But to be honest there are not that many people around for this. There are definitely more people out there who will sell asap or as fast as they can and they don't regret giving Snappy away unless it get's reprinted again for Standart/T2 usage.
Comparison of Stoneforge to Snappy is oranges and apples, SFM is only really played in Stoneblade decks, Maverick used to run a couple but they've completely cut her out of the 75.
Stoneforge Mystic saw more play than Snapcaster Mage every month this year except for May and June, and in May, it was barely more (data: TCDecks).
So in Stoneforge's favor from a price perspective, it sees more play in Legacy (greater demand) and it came from Worldwake, a less opened small set (lower supply) than the super popular Innistrad. On the other hand, Snapcaster sees more play in Vintage and in Modern (since Stoneforge is banned) and has not printed in an event deck. I think these factors means that Snapcaster has a slightly greater demand overall but a greater supply.
Given that Stoneforge fell below $5 when it "left" Standard and is currently around $7, I don't think it would be surprising at all for Snapcaster to fall to around $10, possibly even lower. I know I'll certainly be picking up a few more (I currently have 5) at that time, but I'm definitely not going to be buying them out (since the supply is so large that this would be impossible). Certainly, the price will eventually go back, but I think people who are looking for it to quickly go back over $20-30 are in for a big surprise.
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Snapcaster will be the next Dark Confidant without reprints or an influx of massive copies via an Event Deck or Duel Deck or something. Snappy will only get better as more sets came out and stronger spells are printed. Pretty sure he will always be played in every format he's legal in.
Stoneforge is 7 dollars because she only goes into essentially two Legacy decks and is banned in Modern and also had 2x copies inside the NPH Event Deck.
Nothing in this game is degenerate or completely dominant. They haven't banned anything in standard in a long, long time. Hell they should have banned affinity right away, but they didn't until boxed sales collapsed too. Hasbro had to come in and fire people.
I'll enjoy watching all the whiners eat crow monday.
I'm buying $10 cards for reselling at $15 all day long. A ROI of 50% is INSANE. Looking at the prices of Zendikar fetches (cross format staple rares from a very popular set), i am not sure if it will stay much above $10 though. If Misty Rainforests can be had for $12.50 apiece, i don't think Snapcaster will be much higher.
When you say 50%, it sounds like from one hour to another, but it's not. Stay honest if you call this a business and you're doing it just because of the money then you do the wrong business unless you're talking about hundrets of copies. And with hundreds copies it's still less attractive as stock market business...
Do you? Do you sell hundrets of copies of the same card and generate a good benefit?
I'd agree in terms of casuality. I mean like buying 10 Snappy's for 100 bucks, use 4 of them in any deck and sell the others later makes you happy because almost all 4 you use we're for free after reselling the other 6...
Comparison of Stoneforge to Snappy is oranges and apples, SFM is only really played in Stoneblade decks, Maverick used to run a couple but they've completely cut her out of the 75. SFM is ban in modern as well, probably keeping her from going up from her current price tag. Snappy can be played in all the Island decks if they wanted too. RUG delver, Stoneblade, Bant, moving to modern, RUG delver, American delver, Cawblade builds, UW control, moving to standard, UW delver, Esper midrange, American midrange, RUG delver, RUG ramp, Solar Flare. Maybe he'll hit 10ish when rotation happens but he'll slowly climb back up.
Isn't this more of a reason to ban Snapcaster in Modern?
Stoneforge Mystic saw more play than Snapcaster Mage every month this year except for May and June, and in May, it was barely more (data: TCDecks).
So in Stoneforge's favor from a price perspective, it sees more play in Legacy (greater demand) and it came from Worldwake, a less opened small set (lower supply) than the super popular Innistrad. On the other hand, Snapcaster sees more play in Vintage and in Modern (since Stoneforge is banned) and has not printed in an event deck. I think these factors means that Snapcaster has a slightly greater demand overall but a greater supply.
Given that Stoneforge fell below $5 when it "left" Standard and is currently around $7, I don't think it would be surprising at all for Snapcaster to fall to around $10, possibly even lower. I know I'll certainly be picking up a few more (I currently have 5) at that time, but I'm definitely not going to be buying them out (since the supply is so large that this would be impossible). Certainly, the price will eventually go back, but I think people who are looking for it to quickly go back over $20-30 are in for a big surprise.
In terms of buying and reselling cards for profit, I can’t really say that I do it purely for profit (I can work more hours and make 10 times as much as if I were to take into account the time spent to acquire cards and ship them as well as their original cost). Magic isn’t something that you can seriously invest in unless you’re willing to dump boatloads of money into it (in which case you should probably open a LGS + online store).
For me, I just enjoy speculating and buying cards at great prices. The money I gain or lose from selling/trading cards, in reality, is pretty irrelevant because I know I could be making much more by working more hours. Also a certain amount of my magic money also is thrown towards altered art cards which IMO have limited resale value (but command a high price). I mention this because it further mitigates the argument that I buy/sell magic cards purely for profit. I mainly do it because it’s fun to do and is part of my hobby of playing magic. I can’t even begin to count the amount of hours I have spent lurking on the sales forum and eBay in search of the best deals to save a couple bucks…
Back on track, I highly doubt Snappy will drop below $15. Even if my argument is false about people buying boatloads of Snappy at $10, I think casual players will also be willing to pick up playsets for their decks when it drops that far. Snapcaster is very versatile and can be abused by casual players to cast ‘fun’ spells from the graveyard. Stoneforge Mystic is less versatile and only gets ‘over-powered’ equipment (many casual players would agree with this) from your deck which is pretty costly for one card ($30 for a Sword of Fire and Ice).
I would also note that casual players take into account the number of cards that they are getting for the amount of money they are spending; $30 for 1 card (SoFaI) seems ridiculous.
Barring the previous arguments already posted (I’m not going to restate the arguments already presented), Snapcaster can be used in a variety of decks and is can be fun to play with in a casual environment. On the other hand, what kind of casual player would enjoy a Batterskull on turn 3? My basic point being that Snapcaster scales well in whatever format he is played and can be viable in any deck (ranging from competitive to casual). Competitive players will continue to purchase him at his ‘competitive’ price because he is good in pretty much any blue deck. If his price drops below (the theoretical) ‘competitive’ price, casual players will also pick him up and eventually drive his price back up to the ‘competitive’ price.
Edit: An example of Snapcaster's use in a casual format would be something along the lines of-
Rampant growth, Snapcaster, rampant growth.
Swing with a creature, giant grow, Snapcaster, giant growth.
Etc.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
How is this less attractive than the stock market? There are not many stocks that you can buy and resell with 50% profit within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. a year). Unless you are talking penny stocks, which is more of a gamble imho.
I actually don't buy hundreds of copies of a card, but like to diversify my investments more. My current MTG portfolio has about 200 cards worth approx. $5000.
The last year i made 8.5% net profit (after shipping, transaction fees etc.) on my sales, which i am very happy about, because this is significantly more than the interest rate a bank would give me for my money. Ofcourse i also look that the amount of money i move is a reasonable percentage of the total cash invested and other important KPIs. There is obviously no point in selling $100 cards for $200 profit in a year, when you bought $10000 worth of cards within the same timeframe that you were not able to move. I have a nice cockpit spreadsheet that gives me an overview of the KPIs (current, change and trend) that i find important
I think expecting profits of 20%+ is unrealistic, everything above 10% net profit is already excellent imho. Don't forget that you have to pay a boatload of fees and taxes on stock market transactions, which will cut your profits significantly unless you are moving thousands of dollars.
Bottom line is, i am not "investing" in Magic cards to get richt, but to diversify my portfolio (cash, stocks, bond issues, commodities). I also think i have much more clue about what's going on with MTG than some company i only read some quarterly reports about.
I see you do it just for fun, you enjoy. Kinda side event for magic
So it doesen't make sense to go further into. You're probably 1 from 100 or less that do it "hobby-professional".
In comparison I'd not be satisfied with making 50bucks in a period of a year.
I'd rather drive the next 400 miles without aircondition, that saves me the same amount of money within 2 days But I don't because I enjoy hehehe
Overmaster got a little bit of love on a Omniscience SnT deck tech over the weekend. I don't have an opinion either way, just pointing it out because I know there was a bit of discussion on it.
Overmaster got a little bit of love on a Omniscience SnT deck tech over the weekend. I don't have an opinion either way, just pointing it out because I know there was a bit of discussion on it.
That deck tried to be way too cutesy and didn't win a single game...
Link is here, if people are curious. If anything, Omniscience is the real "tech."
It's probably been discussed to death somewhere in the pages behind me, although I had a hard time locating it. Why has Gilded Drake shot up so much in price? I was looking to snag a couple and missed the boat and I just wanted to know which decks were running it and/or if there was something else that caused this spike?
It's probably been discussed to death somewhere in the pages behind me, although I had a hard time locating it. Why has Gilded Drake shot up so much in price? I was looking to snag a couple and missed the boat and I just wanted to know which decks were running it and/or if there was something else that caused this spike?
A couple of pages back this was discussed about selling at $25ish
It was also printed as a 2-of in an event deck.
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I've got mixed feeling about your prediction. While I agree some people will definitely buy some Snappy's after rotation for let's say 10$. But I disagree with they just do that to get a 5$ profit in the future.
Come on if someone is willing to "invest" 10bucks to get 5bucks profit after some month's or even year's I'd recommend to work longer on some days...
So in this case I'm telling you, they won't buy them to make a ridiculous-small profit, they'll buy it because they have more decks where Snappy fit's in and they're to lazy/busy to change/move the cards into other sleeves etc.
But to be honest there are not that many people around for this. There are definitely more people out there who will sell asap or as fast as they can and they don't regret giving Snappy away unless it get's reprinted again for Standart/T2 usage.
Stoneforge Mystic saw more play than Snapcaster Mage every month this year except for May and June, and in May, it was barely more (data: TCDecks).
So in Stoneforge's favor from a price perspective, it sees more play in Legacy (greater demand) and it came from Worldwake, a less opened small set (lower supply) than the super popular Innistrad. On the other hand, Snapcaster sees more play in Vintage and in Modern (since Stoneforge is banned) and has not printed in an event deck. I think these factors means that Snapcaster has a slightly greater demand overall but a greater supply.
Given that Stoneforge fell below $5 when it "left" Standard and is currently around $7, I don't think it would be surprising at all for Snapcaster to fall to around $10, possibly even lower. I know I'll certainly be picking up a few more (I currently have 5) at that time, but I'm definitely not going to be buying them out (since the supply is so large that this would be impossible). Certainly, the price will eventually go back, but I think people who are looking for it to quickly go back over $20-30 are in for a big surprise.
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When you say 50%, it sounds like from one hour to another, but it's not. Stay honest if you call this a business and you're doing it just because of the money then you do the wrong business unless you're talking about hundrets of copies. And with hundreds copies it's still less attractive as stock market business...
Do you? Do you sell hundrets of copies of the same card and generate a good benefit?
I'd agree in terms of casuality. I mean like buying 10 Snappy's for 100 bucks, use 4 of them in any deck and sell the others later makes you happy because almost all 4 you use we're for free after reselling the other 6...
Isn't this more of a reason to ban Snapcaster in Modern?
Brainstorm not legal in Modern format, and Preordain and Ponder banned might be the reason why Snapcaster Mage is still in Modern.
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Stoneforge Mystic is banned in Extended and Modern. Snapcaster Mage isn't. Stoneforge Mystic was printed as a two-of in an Event Deck, Snapcaster Mage wasn't. Stoneforge Mystic is barely played in Vintage. Snapcaster Mage is format defining. Stoneforge Mystic is white. Snapcaster Mage is blue. Stoneforge Mystic comes down at sorcery speed. Snapcaster Mage has Flash.
SCM has way more going for it than SFM ever did. The two aren't comparable.
For me, I just enjoy speculating and buying cards at great prices. The money I gain or lose from selling/trading cards, in reality, is pretty irrelevant because I know I could be making much more by working more hours. Also a certain amount of my magic money also is thrown towards altered art cards which IMO have limited resale value (but command a high price). I mention this because it further mitigates the argument that I buy/sell magic cards purely for profit. I mainly do it because it’s fun to do and is part of my hobby of playing magic. I can’t even begin to count the amount of hours I have spent lurking on the sales forum and eBay in search of the best deals to save a couple bucks…
Back on track, I highly doubt Snappy will drop below $15. Even if my argument is false about people buying boatloads of Snappy at $10, I think casual players will also be willing to pick up playsets for their decks when it drops that far. Snapcaster is very versatile and can be abused by casual players to cast ‘fun’ spells from the graveyard. Stoneforge Mystic is less versatile and only gets ‘over-powered’ equipment (many casual players would agree with this) from your deck which is pretty costly for one card ($30 for a Sword of Fire and Ice).
I would also note that casual players take into account the number of cards that they are getting for the amount of money they are spending; $30 for 1 card (SoFaI) seems ridiculous.
Barring the previous arguments already posted (I’m not going to restate the arguments already presented), Snapcaster can be used in a variety of decks and is can be fun to play with in a casual environment. On the other hand, what kind of casual player would enjoy a Batterskull on turn 3? My basic point being that Snapcaster scales well in whatever format he is played and can be viable in any deck (ranging from competitive to casual). Competitive players will continue to purchase him at his ‘competitive’ price because he is good in pretty much any blue deck. If his price drops below (the theoretical) ‘competitive’ price, casual players will also pick him up and eventually drive his price back up to the ‘competitive’ price.
Edit: An example of Snapcaster's use in a casual format would be something along the lines of-
Rampant growth, Snapcaster, rampant growth.
Swing with a creature, giant grow, Snapcaster, giant growth.
Etc.
I see you do it just for fun, you enjoy. Kinda side event for magic
So it doesen't make sense to go further into. You're probably 1 from 100 or less that do it "hobby-professional".
In comparison I'd not be satisfied with making 50bucks in a period of a year.
I'd rather drive the next 400 miles without aircondition, that saves me the same amount of money within 2 days But I don't because I enjoy hehehe
That deck tried to be way too cutesy and didn't win a single game...
Link is here, if people are curious. If anything, Omniscience is the real "tech."
A couple of pages back this was discussed about selling at $25ish
There is that and it is pretty sweet in EDH, but I think it is mostly to steal your opponents Emrakurl.
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