Quick update of note, that thanks to its strong performance as a part of the UB deck that was all over the top 8 of the standard part of worlds this last week, Darkslick shores is now up to $2.50, not the largest gain, but still its on the rise. Other full updates including alterations for the cards that showed up in top worlds decks coming soon!
I think the potential is so huge with Necrotic Ooze, that down the line it will be a 5-10 (at least a great casual card like Doubling Season) dollar card and it will only get better as bigger and badder biggies get developed. It has the potential in it's own color to combo off when you drop it for a win quite easily.
With Seachrome Coast and Darkslick Shores making a jump the past week I've begun to hunt down SoM duals. Even found a Darkslick Shores for .8 tix earlier in the week. I think it's just a matter of time before the other, cheaper ones have their day in the sun (W/G, R/G).
Also have to agree on the Grand Architect. I play block and that guy is amazing. I can see him and possibly Hand of Praetors going bonkers, especially with the next expansion.
I think the potential is so huge with Necrotic Ooze, that down the line it will be a 5-10 (at least a great casual card like Doubling Season) dollar card and it will only get better as bigger and badder biggies get developed. It has the potential in it's own color to combo off when you drop it for a win quite easily.
Well, necrotic ooze has allready gone from .75 to $1.50 now in the last few days, so thats certainly a possible indication of things to come. They have been selling quickly as well, so we could see $2 here before the weekend is up. Something to surely keep an eye on.
I think the potential is so huge with Necrotic Ooze, that down the line it will be a 5-10 (at least a great casual card like Doubling Season) dollar card
Where are you even getting this number from? The card is currently seeing some marginal popularity increase because it was in a Johnny deck piloted by Conley Woods. It should be noted the deck is actually just awful.
Where are you even getting this number from? The card is currently seeing some marginal popularity increase because it was in a Johnny deck piloted by Conley Woods. It should be noted the deck is actually just awful.
These "numbers" are my speculation, as is my overall evaluation behind
Necrotic Ooze. I think that it can be at least good in a Legacy casual deck
that if the combo comes out, it could be GG. It is possible for a mono-black
strategy to pull off something devastating early game that wouldn't be
too hard or rigid to build around. I am by no means suggesting there has been
enough empirical data to convince but I believe that is has great potential.
I know of that Conley deck but it has more possibilities in Legacy.
I know of that Conley deck but it has more possibilities in Legacy.
Thats some heavy Speculation considering the heavy hints that Survival is gonna get axed and If it really does I doubt a Buried Alive plan is gonna do much for it.
I am not saying the deck would be amazing (in fact it might suck), but I just think that a good casual deck, coupled with whatever future creatures that have incredible activated abilities could cause for a solid value for it.
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
Grand Architect's return knocked off Putrefax again. The planeswalkers again took over the top 3 slots while Sword moved up a little to sit at $10 with Wurmcoil Engine. Otherwise, everything pretty much lost about 10% in value since the last update. Koth is the only card worth more than $15 now, and only $23 at that.
After having analyzed Scars a bit further in recent days, I've noticed that Scars does not contain a lot of standard functions that are normally present, and any abilities that should be plentiful are one-ofs and/or uncommon.
For example, damage prevention and land search abilities are one-ofs, the former being uncommon (Abuna Acolyte) and the latter being common (Horizon Spellbomb). Both are usually well-represented in other blocks/standalones.
So I can understand the frustration with this set at least from a limited standpoint.
Despite damage prevention being a key counterattack to poison, there is bounce, however in very limited or near-unplayable context.
It'll be interesting to see what Mirrodin Besieged brings us that can help bolster the Scars scene. Otherwise we may be in for another dud block if things don't improve drastically near the finish.
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Great thread, thanks for doing this. It is exactly what I have been searching for since my situation is somewhat unique.
I have decided (in a bucket list kind of way) to attend the Grand Prix in Hiroshima October 29-30, 2011. This in the only paper magic I will be playing, thus I will be concentrating all of my efforts into building and investing for that tournament. Zendikar and M11 are going to rotate out at the beginning of October, so as it stands SoM are the only cards I am looking at buying right now.
My strategy is highly speculative. In a moment of excitement, as I made the decision to attend the Grand Prix, a bought playsets of all the fastlands. In hindsight I think I paid too much for them, but that lesson has now been learned - and they will probably at least retain value. Also, since I do not know what kind of deck I will play, my strategy is to anticipate cards that will increase in value so that I can trade them to build my deck (or perhaps even play with).
With those perimeters established, predictions can be made regarding the direction of the Scars Block. What do we know?
1. Artifacts. Mirroden was a artifact set, and there is every indication to believe Scars is too. All the Myrs and artifact support may be good investments. It may also be a good reason to pick up Indomitable Archangel while they are relatively cheap.
2. Poison. It has already shown up (and kicked my ass a few times). It isn't consistent enough yet to put up tourny numbers, but given MaRo's struggle to implement it, I believe it will be a factor throughout the entire block. Skithiryx, the Blight Dragonis the player to watch if this is the case.
3. Planeswalkers. These powerhouses of Magic fuel many a good deck. Which of the SoM Walkers - if any - , however, can bring the juice?
Koth of the Hammer is the odds on favorite at the moment. I like that his CC is 4, but could he turn into the next Sarkhan Vol (who I am surprised never found a home). My gut (not a reliable indicator) tells me that he is going to become a game breaker in some way.
venser the sojourneris so out there that I feel (not a great thing to rely on when speculating) that WoTC has to have plans for him. Also, Blue/White is classic and often the base for control decks.
Elspeth Tirelcould be powerful too if she gets some support. I played against a deck that ran her very effectively the other day. She didn't even ultimate and before long there were probably 20 soldiers on the field. The soldiers didn't all come from Elspeth, as sorceries were being cast too.
So, what to do?
I almost bought a playset of Koths earlier today, but then rationally decided to do some more homework - which is why I was so glad to find this thread.
At the moment, I am thinking (because of their lower price) that Venser or Elspeth would be the better gamble - but I worry about their 5cc.
I would like to make some purchases while the market seems to be low, and before Mirroden Besieged starts getting spoiled.
Does anyone have any advice? I would love to hear an outside perspective.
In any case, thanks for the thread. I will be following it closely (and doing my own research)
I don't think Indomitable Archangel is going to take off unless a really good white only metalcraft deck emerges that will benefit from the shroud ability of the angel... which seems unlikely to me. Most decks are going to choose to run BSA or the titans instead. While it's true those will rotate our before the angel, I think it's safe to say some other significant bombs will take their place. A 4/4 flyer just won't cut it usually.
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon on the other hand could be a good investment if you anticipate infect taking off. I'm holding off myself as I think infect won't take off until the third set if anything and Skittles will hopefully get cheaper once MBS comes out and even more are opened.
For the planeswalkers... Koth of the Hammer is my bet and I myself just bought a playset. He might drop a little more (not much I bet) and all it's going to take is one good red card being spoiled in MBS for him to take off again. He just has the potential to be that good. The support isn't quite there yet... but RDW has been slowly getting better in recent years so I'm betting they're going to get some more love in the coming sets.
Venser the Sojourner is also a card that could be broken as he is the planeswalker with THE best combo potential ever printed. His first ability is just waiting for new targets. The problem is his first and third ability scream control and his second is more of an aggro based one. Add to that his 5CC and dual colors and he is harder to fit into decks. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes off... but he's a riskier gamble in my mind.
Elspeth Tirel is good as well but too slow IMO and the least likely to take off. Unless you have 2 of her in hand you have to keep alternating between her first two abilities and will have a hard time going ultimate. The only deck I'd watch our for her taking off in is some knight variant deck using knight exemplar and her to nuke the board (with the early knights providing protection so she doesn't even need to spew out soldiers). With mirran crusader already spoiled for MBS that could be a relevant prospect but i think it will take a couple more cards to really get going.
Just my two cents since you asked for it. You never can tell when speculating though (since who knows what WOTC will print in the next few sets) so best of luck!
the thing ive grown to hate about scars is the anti-synergy all the artifact cards have. all the good cards that rely on artifacts arent artifacts, so people that make such a deck have to shoot themselves in the foot before they can do anything. plus it doesnt help that artifacts are pretty terrible (imo) right now, especially lower on the curve
Koth will go down at the end of January most likely as people are saving their money for MBS and will wait to see what happens after that. Venser will probably end up spiking and stay around 20 bucks as he is only going to get A LOT better as new cards come out for him to combo with. If he were 4cmc he would probably be still be at 50, but after awhile he is going to be as little as a casual bomb and as big as a tourney winner, and at 15 bucks he is a great investment. Elspeth may go up but at 5cmc and no combo potential she probably will stay around where she is at 15.
Its update time again! As always my prices are generally determined by average ebay completed listings.
Koth of the Hammer: $21
Venser the Sojourner: $12.50
Elspeth Tirel: $12
Mox Opal: $12
Molten-Tail Masticore: $10
Sword of Body and Mind: $8
Wurmcoil Engine: $7
Skithiryx: $7
Mimic Vat: $5
Ratchet Bomb: $4
Lux Cannon: $2.50
Darkslick Shores: $2.50
Hand of the Praetors: $2
Indomitable Archangel: $2
Seachrome Coast: $2
Memoricide: $2
Tempered Steel: $2
Ezuri Renegade Leader: $1.50
Blackcleave Cliffs: $1.50
Copperline Gorge: $1.50
Argentum Armor: $1.50
Etched Champion: $1.50
Everything else is $1 or less
Total value of mythics: $98 (Down $12 from last update)
Total value of rares: $44 (Up $2 from last update)
Total value of a common/uncommon set: $5 (No Movement)
Total set value: $147 (down $10)
Average Box Value:
Mythics: $6.53/mythic x 4.5/box = $29.40 (down $3.60)
Rares: .83/rare x 31.5/box = $26.10 (Up $1.10)
Uncommon/Common: $5/set x 1.8/box = $9 (No Movement)
Foils: $3 average/box
Total Box value: $67.50 (Down $2.50)
Average Pack Value: $1.88
Well another 2-3 weeks in the books, and this time it was the mythics that took the hardest hit, with the rares actually increasing some, off the backs of a number of the rares seeing an upswing in demand to offset the lowering of some of the others. Koth was the big loser this update dropping from $26 to $21, the other planeswalkers were more stable, and in the end only Mox Opal and Sword of Body and Mind and randomly liege of the tangle, but its not even on the list anyway didnt move :p. Next set should make for some crazy movement, so keep an eye out once the spoilers start, its going to be crazy to say the least. Any hint that some of these rares/mythics will suddenly become more playable, and you will see some nice spikes.
I was in the process of picking up Indomitable Archangel for MTGO and noticed that it's hovering around 3.5tix online while the paper version is $2. I know there is always variation between MTGO and paper prices but this seems odd. Can anyone speculate why there is such a difference? The only thing I can think of is that it has seen some play in competitive block decks on MTGO, but it's far from a block staple.
I am betting on Venser the Sojourner to have the biggest spike =)
I would take that bet.
Much of Venser is win-more, in retrospect (I initially had a lot of hope for Venser), aside from the Alpha ability. If you are resolving titans and swinging for the fences, you should not need to give (non-Sun Titan) titans Vigilance and to reactivate their abilities to win. Momentary Blink was never much more than a tier-2 deck, and only being able to blink things on your turn at Sorcery speed (or just waiting to build to Ultimate, which is not how you use Planeswalkers) isn't good enough. It would take ETB effects more considerable than those of the titans and Sunblast Angel to make Venser good, and even then you're still making them win-more.
This must be the worst set ever for retailers. Not even 4 months and this set is at an absolute low. And I can even see it going lower. I would still not be surprised if Koth drops to $15. I can see Skittles spiking after MBS.
Will you be doing updates more regularly Jeff and R_E, when spoilers trickle in?
Ill probably try to keep doing full updates weekly. I may do spot updates on certain cards if something makes significant moves due to the spoilers.
Will you be doing updates more regularly Jeff and R_E, when spoilers trickle in?
When things change, basically. This thread is based on positions of cards rather than their prices, so as the set as a whole falls into worthlessness (barely 2 months since release) the list remains pretty much up to date unless one card in particular moves up or down in relation to the others. That said, I'll probably be doing an update in the next few days now that I have more time with family stuff dealt with. Thanks for asking, sal
Also have to agree on the Grand Architect. I play block and that guy is amazing. I can see him and possibly Hand of Praetors going bonkers, especially with the next expansion.
Well, necrotic ooze has allready gone from .75 to $1.50 now in the last few days, so thats certainly a possible indication of things to come. They have been selling quickly as well, so we could see $2 here before the weekend is up. Something to surely keep an eye on.
Where are you even getting this number from? The card is currently seeing some marginal popularity increase because it was in a Johnny deck piloted by Conley Woods. It should be noted the deck is actually just awful.
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These "numbers" are my speculation, as is my overall evaluation behind
Necrotic Ooze. I think that it can be at least good in a Legacy casual deck
that if the combo comes out, it could be GG. It is possible for a mono-black
strategy to pull off something devastating early game that wouldn't be
too hard or rigid to build around. I am by no means suggesting there has been
enough empirical data to convince but I believe that is has great potential.
I know of that Conley deck but it has more possibilities in Legacy.
Thats some heavy Speculation considering the heavy hints that Survival is gonna get axed and If it really does I doubt a Buried Alive plan is gonna do much for it.
I am not saying the deck would be amazing (in fact it might suck), but I just think that a good casual deck, coupled with whatever future creatures that have incredible activated abilities could cause for a solid value for it.
Despite little action in recent tournament results involving SOM cards, there have been a few moves:
1) Koth of the Hammer / / / / / / / / / /
2) Venser, the Sojourner / / / / / / / / / /
3) Elspeth Tirel / / / / / / / / / /
4) Mox Opal / / / / / / / / / /
5) Molten-Tail Masticore / / / / / / / / / /
6) Sword of Body and Mind / / / / / / / / / /
7) Wurmcoil Engine / / / / / / / / / /
8) Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon / / / / / / / / / /
9) Mimic Vat / / / / / / / / /
10) Ratchet Bomb / / / / / / / / / /
11) Hand of the Praetors / / / / / / / / / /
12) Lux Cannon / / / / / / / / / /
13) Seachrome Coast & friends / / / / / / / / / /
14) Indomitable Archangel / / / / / / / / / /
15) Grand Architect
16) Memoricide / / / / /
17) Ezuri, Renegade Leader / / / / / / / /
18) Tempered Steel / / / /
19) Genesis Wave / / / /
20) Necrotic Ooze
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
Grand Architect's return knocked off Putrefax again. The planeswalkers again took over the top 3 slots while Sword moved up a little to sit at $10 with Wurmcoil Engine. Otherwise, everything pretty much lost about 10% in value since the last update. Koth is the only card worth more than $15 now, and only $23 at that.
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For example, damage prevention and land search abilities are one-ofs, the former being uncommon (Abuna Acolyte) and the latter being common (Horizon Spellbomb). Both are usually well-represented in other blocks/standalones.
So I can understand the frustration with this set at least from a limited standpoint.
Despite damage prevention being a key counterattack to poison, there is bounce, however in very limited or near-unplayable context.
It'll be interesting to see what Mirrodin Besieged brings us that can help bolster the Scars scene. Otherwise we may be in for another dud block if things don't improve drastically near the finish.
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I have decided (in a bucket list kind of way) to attend the Grand Prix in Hiroshima October 29-30, 2011. This in the only paper magic I will be playing, thus I will be concentrating all of my efforts into building and investing for that tournament. Zendikar and M11 are going to rotate out at the beginning of October, so as it stands SoM are the only cards I am looking at buying right now.
My strategy is highly speculative. In a moment of excitement, as I made the decision to attend the Grand Prix, a bought playsets of all the fastlands. In hindsight I think I paid too much for them, but that lesson has now been learned - and they will probably at least retain value. Also, since I do not know what kind of deck I will play, my strategy is to anticipate cards that will increase in value so that I can trade them to build my deck (or perhaps even play with).
With those perimeters established, predictions can be made regarding the direction of the Scars Block. What do we know?
1. Artifacts. Mirroden was a artifact set, and there is every indication to believe Scars is too. All the Myrs and artifact support may be good investments. It may also be a good reason to pick up Indomitable Archangel while they are relatively cheap.
2. Poison. It has already shown up (and kicked my ass a few times). It isn't consistent enough yet to put up tourny numbers, but given MaRo's struggle to implement it, I believe it will be a factor throughout the entire block. Skithiryx, the Blight Dragonis the player to watch if this is the case.
3. Planeswalkers. These powerhouses of Magic fuel many a good deck. Which of the SoM Walkers - if any - , however, can bring the juice?
Koth of the Hammer is the odds on favorite at the moment. I like that his CC is 4, but could he turn into the next Sarkhan Vol (who I am surprised never found a home). My gut (not a reliable indicator) tells me that he is going to become a game breaker in some way.
venser the sojourneris so out there that I feel (not a great thing to rely on when speculating) that WoTC has to have plans for him. Also, Blue/White is classic and often the base for control decks.
Elspeth Tirelcould be powerful too if she gets some support. I played against a deck that ran her very effectively the other day. She didn't even ultimate and before long there were probably 20 soldiers on the field. The soldiers didn't all come from Elspeth, as sorceries were being cast too.
So, what to do?
I almost bought a playset of Koths earlier today, but then rationally decided to do some more homework - which is why I was so glad to find this thread.
At the moment, I am thinking (because of their lower price) that Venser or Elspeth would be the better gamble - but I worry about their 5cc.
I would like to make some purchases while the market seems to be low, and before Mirroden Besieged starts getting spoiled.
Does anyone have any advice? I would love to hear an outside perspective.
In any case, thanks for the thread. I will be following it closely (and doing my own research)
cheers,
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon on the other hand could be a good investment if you anticipate infect taking off. I'm holding off myself as I think infect won't take off until the third set if anything and Skittles will hopefully get cheaper once MBS comes out and even more are opened.
For the planeswalkers... Koth of the Hammer is my bet and I myself just bought a playset. He might drop a little more (not much I bet) and all it's going to take is one good red card being spoiled in MBS for him to take off again. He just has the potential to be that good. The support isn't quite there yet... but RDW has been slowly getting better in recent years so I'm betting they're going to get some more love in the coming sets.
Venser the Sojourner is also a card that could be broken as he is the planeswalker with THE best combo potential ever printed. His first ability is just waiting for new targets. The problem is his first and third ability scream control and his second is more of an aggro based one. Add to that his 5CC and dual colors and he is harder to fit into decks. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes off... but he's a riskier gamble in my mind.
Elspeth Tirel is good as well but too slow IMO and the least likely to take off. Unless you have 2 of her in hand you have to keep alternating between her first two abilities and will have a hard time going ultimate. The only deck I'd watch our for her taking off in is some knight variant deck using knight exemplar and her to nuke the board (with the early knights providing protection so she doesn't even need to spew out soldiers). With mirran crusader already spoiled for MBS that could be a relevant prospect but i think it will take a couple more cards to really get going.
Just my two cents since you asked for it. You never can tell when speculating though (since who knows what WOTC will print in the next few sets) so best of luck!
Instead of just "up downs" why don't you include the price? It's a pretty useless list with no dollar reference.
Instead of clogging it up with prices you could just keep reading.
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Markus, if i were to speculate on price jumps it wouldnt be around duals or planeswalkers but around other cards that are needy like mox opal precursor golem, ezuri's brigade tempered steel Grand architect, Etched champion argent sphinx in standard, or combo cards like necrotic ooze.Ezuri, renegade leader, Leonin Arbiter and Skittles will only be great in the long run.
Koth of the Hammer: $21
Venser the Sojourner: $12.50
Elspeth Tirel: $12
Mox Opal: $12
Molten-Tail Masticore: $10
Sword of Body and Mind: $8
Wurmcoil Engine: $7
Skithiryx: $7
Mimic Vat: $5
Ratchet Bomb: $4
Lux Cannon: $2.50
Darkslick Shores: $2.50
Hand of the Praetors: $2
Indomitable Archangel: $2
Seachrome Coast: $2
Memoricide: $2
Tempered Steel: $2
Ezuri Renegade Leader: $1.50
Blackcleave Cliffs: $1.50
Copperline Gorge: $1.50
Argentum Armor: $1.50
Etched Champion: $1.50
Everything else is $1 or less
Total value of mythics: $98 (Down $12 from last update)
Total value of rares: $44 (Up $2 from last update)
Total value of a common/uncommon set: $5 (No Movement)
Total set value: $147 (down $10)
Average Box Value:
Mythics: $6.53/mythic x 4.5/box = $29.40 (down $3.60)
Rares: .83/rare x 31.5/box = $26.10 (Up $1.10)
Uncommon/Common: $5/set x 1.8/box = $9 (No Movement)
Foils: $3 average/box
Total Box value: $67.50 (Down $2.50)
Average Pack Value: $1.88
Well another 2-3 weeks in the books, and this time it was the mythics that took the hardest hit, with the rares actually increasing some, off the backs of a number of the rares seeing an upswing in demand to offset the lowering of some of the others. Koth was the big loser this update dropping from $26 to $21, the other planeswalkers were more stable, and in the end only Mox Opal and Sword of Body and Mind and randomly liege of the tangle, but its not even on the list anyway didnt move :p. Next set should make for some crazy movement, so keep an eye out once the spoilers start, its going to be crazy to say the least. Any hint that some of these rares/mythics will suddenly become more playable, and you will see some nice spikes.
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I would take that bet.
Much of Venser is win-more, in retrospect (I initially had a lot of hope for Venser), aside from the Alpha ability. If you are resolving titans and swinging for the fences, you should not need to give (non-Sun Titan) titans Vigilance and to reactivate their abilities to win. Momentary Blink was never much more than a tier-2 deck, and only being able to blink things on your turn at Sorcery speed (or just waiting to build to Ultimate, which is not how you use Planeswalkers) isn't good enough. It would take ETB effects more considerable than those of the titans and Sunblast Angel to make Venser good, and even then you're still making them win-more.
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Ill probably try to keep doing full updates weekly. I may do spot updates on certain cards if something makes significant moves due to the spoilers.
Well, thanks for your input.
When things change, basically. This thread is based on positions of cards rather than their prices, so as the set as a whole falls into worthlessness (barely 2 months since release) the list remains pretty much up to date unless one card in particular moves up or down in relation to the others. That said, I'll probably be doing an update in the next few days now that I have more time with family stuff dealt with. Thanks for asking, sal
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