Hey HIX360 i didn't know you act like these people, lol. Your just mad cause oyu had no chance.
Trolling
Vince with Slap Chop vs Hix360 [6/25/2011 11:23:46 PM]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop's Security Code: 1BFA6686 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Hix360's Security Code: 7B0A040E [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 1 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> hey
0:00:02 [Hix360] <Hix360> Hi
0:00:02 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop rolled a 5, using a 20 sided die
0:00:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:03 [Hix360] Hix360 shuffles library
0:00:04 [Hix360] Hix360 rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
0:00:04 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:05 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> ip
0:00:06 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:07 [Hix360] Hix360 draws 7 cards
0:00:07 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Hix360] <Hix360> Keep
0:00:10 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:11 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> kp
0:00:13 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:16 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Bayou from Hand
0:00:17 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Bayou
0:00:19 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Raven's Crime from Hand
0:00:24 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Misdirection from Hand
0:00:26 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Hive Mind to RFG from Hand
0:00:27 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Raven's Crime to Graveyard from Play
0:00:40 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Funeral Charm to Graveyard from Hand
0:00:40 [Hix360] <Hix360> you discard
0:00:44 [Hix360] <Hix360> wow
0:00:46 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Misdirection to Graveyard from Play
0:00:50 [Hix360] <Hix360> wtf is this bull****
0:00:51 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> End my turn
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:52 [Hix360] Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:54 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Island from Hand
0:00:55 [Hix360] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:00:56 [Hix360] <Hix360> End My Turn
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 3 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop untaps his/her permanents
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Swamp from Hand
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Swamp
0:01:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Thoughtseize from Hand
0:01:04 [Hix360] <Hix360> Response
0:01:05 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Brainstorm from Hand
0:01:06 [Hix360] Hix360 taps Island
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> lol
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:09 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:16 [Hix360] <Hix360> actually **** this
0:01:19 [Hix360] <Hix360> your deck is garbage
0:01:21 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:26 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
Seeing as how I asked for tier 1 decks, you should probably learn to ****ing read. Don't try to smear my name on here without giving some more detail. Nice try at trollin' me, bro. People around these parts know I'm not a saint. And you know what? They don't give a ****, because I give them good logs against scrubs like you, who think your "brew" can beat anything. Yet, you 0-2 drop every large tournament you play in. So don't come onto these forums that I've been apart of for four goddamn years and try to blast me just because you got butthurt because I didn't want to play against your janky ass discard deck.
Anyways, I digress. A log. When plans A, B, and C don't work...Accuse your opponent of cheating and leave before they can explain what happened...By the way, he has a Chalice of the Void on 0.
It is now turn 22 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Hix360 draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Hix360 plays Show and Tell from Hand
Hix360 taps Island
Hix360 taps Ancient Tomb
Hix360's life total is now 15 (-2)
<Hix360> Ok?
Yaw plays a facedown card from Hand
Hix360 plays a facedown card from Hand
Hix360 flips Hive Mind over
Hix360 puts Show and Tell to Graveyard from Play
Yaw flips Tawnos's Coffin over
Hix360 plays Slaughter Pact from Hand
Hix360 plays Summoner's Pact from Hand
<Hix360> gg?
<Yaw> no i have mana
<Hix360> 7 mana
<Yaw> 7
<Hix360> witness doesnt tap for mana...
<Hix360> you have 5 lands and a birds
<Yaw> but next my upkeep
<Hix360> that is 6
<Yaw> u end?
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Hix360> End My Turn
It is now turn 23 (Yaw)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Yaw untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
<Yaw> ok?
<Yaw> resp
Yaw taps Verdant Catacombs
Yaw puts Verdant Catacombs to Graveyard from Play
Yaw is looking its Library...
Yaw puts Bayou into play from Library
Yaw shuffles library
Yaw stops looking its Library...
Yaw taps Bayou
Yaw taps Taiga
Yaw taps Swamp
<Hix360> Ok
Yaw taps Vault of Whispers
Yaw taps Forest
Yaw taps Birds of Paradise
Yaw taps Eternal Witness
<Hix360> no
<Hix360> witness does not produce mana!!
<Yaw> what mo?
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
<Yaw> what no?
<Hix360> why do you think it does?
<Yaw> wait
<Yaw> Ok
<Hix360> jeeze
Yaw is looking its Library...
Yaw puts Birds of Paradise into play from Library
<Yaw> Ok?
<Hix360> know what your cards do
Yaw shuffles library
Yaw stops looking its Library...
<Hix360> no?
<Yaw> why?
<Yaw> i have a copy
Yaw untaps Eternal Witness
<Hix360> ok
Yaw taps Birds of Paradise
<Hix360> its in your hand
<Hix360> not in play
<Yaw> Ok
<Yaw> g2?
<Hix360> i guess
<Opponent is requesting a new game>
Yaw shuffles library
<Yaw> I am ready.
Yaw draws 0 cards
Yaw draws 7 cards
Hix360 shuffles library
<Hix360> I am ready.
Hix360 draws 0 cards
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Hix360's Security Code: 7B0A040E [Type 1.5]
Yaw's Security Code: B34EE2CE [???]
It is now turn 1 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Yaw> Kp
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 draws 7 cards
<Hix360> Keep
Yaw plays Verdant Catacombs from Hand
<Yaw> wait noob
<Hix360> ???
<Yaw> a have chalise 0!!!!!!!!!!!
<Yaw> gay
<Hix360> so?
<System> Player Lost
PS. Yes, I know I will get a flaming warning/infraction. But you know what? It was damn worth it. Pieces of **** like this give Salvation a bad name.
EDIT: Ooh and don't forget this log, posted just 3 days ago by Falknir exhibiting your lack of knowledge of the game. Falknir's Log. So grow up and learn the rules, kid.
Hey HIX360 i didn't know you act like these people, lol. Your just mad cause oyu had no chance.
Vince with Slap Chop vs Hix360 [6/25/2011 11:23:46 PM]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop's Security Code: 1BFA6686 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Hix360's Security Code: 7B0A040E [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 1 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> hey
0:00:02 [Hix360] <Hix360> Hi
0:00:02 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop rolled a 5, using a 20 sided die
0:00:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:03 [Hix360] Hix360 shuffles library
0:00:04 [Hix360] Hix360 rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
0:00:04 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:05 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> ip
0:00:06 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:07 [Hix360] Hix360 draws 7 cards
0:00:07 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Hix360] <Hix360> Keep
0:00:10 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:11 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> kp
0:00:13 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:16 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Bayou from Hand
0:00:17 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Bayou
0:00:19 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Raven's Crime from Hand
0:00:24 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Misdirection from Hand
0:00:26 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Hive Mind to RFG from Hand
0:00:27 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Raven's Crime to Graveyard from Play
0:00:40 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Funeral Charm to Graveyard from Hand
0:00:40 [Hix360] <Hix360> you discard
0:00:44 [Hix360] <Hix360> wow
0:00:46 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Misdirection to Graveyard from Play
0:00:50 [Hix360] <Hix360> wtf is this bull****
0:00:51 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> End my turn
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:52 [Hix360] Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:54 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Island from Hand
0:00:55 [Hix360] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:00:56 [Hix360] <Hix360> End My Turn
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 3 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop untaps his/her permanents
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Swamp from Hand
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Swamp
0:01:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Thoughtseize from Hand
0:01:04 [Hix360] <Hix360> Response
0:01:05 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Brainstorm from Hand
0:01:06 [Hix360] Hix360 taps Island
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> lol
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:09 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:16 [Hix360] <Hix360> actually **** this
0:01:19 [Hix360] <Hix360> your deck is garbage
0:01:21 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:26 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
I still can't figure out how a Discard deck is any good, I mean Brainstorm is in the format.
*I linked to Jace.
Alarid vs Eric W. [30/06/2011 4:04:59 AM]
0:00:00 [Alarid] <New Game: waiting for opponent>
0:00:00 [Alarid] Alarid shuffles library
0:00:00 [Alarid] <Alarid> Rules or Seppuku.
0:00:00 [Alarid] Alarid draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W. shuffles library
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W. draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [Eric W.] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W.'s Security Code: 2E41CAF4 [???]
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Alarid's Security Code: CE909855 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Eric W.] It is now turn 1 (Alarid)
0:00:00 [Eric W.] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> Y NOT WHAT ***** U GOT SOMETHING TO SAY PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:00:19 [Alarid] <Alarid> It is so hard to ignore random people online?
0:00:21 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> NUFF SAID
0:00:22 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> *****
0:00:25 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:00:32 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ITS PUSSIES
0:00:33 [Alarid] <Alarid> Sure, if you want to come up to Canada
0:00:37 [Alarid] <Alarid> Be my guest.
0:00:40 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THAT LIKE TO OPEN THEY MOUTH
0:00:59 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IF IT MEANT PUTTING A SIZE 12
0:01:06 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> HOLE IN YOUR HEAD
0:01:08 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> Y NOT
0:01:10 [Alarid] <Alarid> You aren't very accomadating when it comes to killing people
0:01:29 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WTF U MEAN BY THAT
0:01:35 [Alarid] <Alarid> I mean, I can give you my adress, but I really doubt you would commit to it
0:01:49 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U DONT KNOW THE MIND OF A KILLER NOW DO U
0:01:56 [Alarid] <Alarid> Yeah, I kinda do
0:01:56 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ALL I NEED
0:02:00 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IS A ADDRESS
0:02:05 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> LETS START WITH YOURS
0:02:07 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:02:18 [Alarid] <Alarid> Why, afraid to give yours?
0:02:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I ASKED FOR YOURS I WOULD
0:02:32 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> LOVE TO MEET U IN PERSON
0:02:43 [Alarid] <Alarid> So, why not give me your adress?
0:02:51 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> QUIT THE BS
0:02:52 [Alarid] <Alarid> Afraid?
0:02:58 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U AFRAID
0:03:05 [Alarid] <Alarid> So big and tough, but too afraid to give an adress...
0:03:06 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> PUT IT ON HERE
0:03:08 [Alarid] <Alarid> Pathetic
0:03:11 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TELL U WHAT I WILL BE THEIR
0:03:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IN A DAY
0:03:32 [Alarid] <Alarid> Willing to travel to Canada, but not willing to let people know where you live...
0:03:33 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I WILL KNOW ON YOUR DOOR
0:03:38 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> DRAW OUT MY GUN
0:03:45 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AND IF U OPEN THE DOOR U WILL DIE
0:03:51 [Alarid] <Alarid> Willing to take a chance that I am lying instead of telling me where you live...
0:03:54 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I DONT LIVE IN
0:03:58 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> CANADA
0:04:04 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THEY WONT CATCH ME THEIR
0:04:07 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> KILLING U
0:04:10 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:04:13 [Alarid] <Alarid> This is funny
0:04:20 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> FUNNY AS U R
0:04:24 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO TELL ME
0:04:28 [Alarid] <Alarid> All you have to do is give me your address
0:04:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE U STAY
0:04:47 [Alarid] <Alarid> Since you aren't afraid of getting caught...
0:04:49 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:04:50 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U COME TO MY TABLE
0:04:53 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TO TALK ****
0:05:02 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> DONT WANT TO GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS
0:05:06 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol...
0:05:12 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHAT THE **** YOU HERE FOR *****
0:05:31 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AM CALLING U OUT
0:05:32 [Alarid] <Alarid> It's ****ing hilarious how you are threatening to kill me when you didn't even read me typing anything
0:05:37 [Alarid] <Alarid> How ****ing stupid can a person be
0:05:53 [Alarid] <Alarid> So ****ing stupid that they are too afraid to tell someone where they live
0:05:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> STUPID ENOUGH TO PUT A BULLET IN YOUR HEAD
0:06:01 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> REAL STUPID
0:06:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> YOU NEED TO ONLY KNOW ONE THING *****
0:06:29 [Alarid] <Alarid> So, you are trying to call me out when you are too afraid to tell me where to meet you?
0:06:33 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE ARE U HIDING AT
0:06:39 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO I CAN MEET U IN PERSON
0:06:47 [Alarid] <Alarid> Too afraid to name the date and the time
0:06:55 [Alarid] <Alarid> PATHETIC
0:06:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I TOLD U THE TIME AND DATE
0:07:01 [Alarid] <Alarid> I CANT TYPE IN CAPS LOCK TOO
0:07:01 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ARE U RETARDED
0:07:06 [Alarid] <Alarid> RAR RAR RAR
0:07:11 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TOMORROW
0:07:14 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I WILL BE THEIR
0:07:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE U LIVE
0:07:20 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:07:28 [Alarid] <Alarid> You keep saying that as though you can make it happen
0:07:34 [Alarid] <Alarid> And I keep calling your bluff
0:07:36 [Alarid] <Alarid> Give up
0:07:55 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> CALL ME BLUFF WHEN I MEET U AT YOUR DOOR
0:07:56 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> STEP
0:07:57 [Alarid] <Alarid> If you want something to happen, then you name the date and time
0:08:19 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U WANT TO FIND OUT IF AM BLUFFING
0:08:25 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THEN TRY ME
0:08:34 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ALL U HAVE TO DO IS PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:08:37 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO I CAN FIND U
0:08:49 [Alarid] <Alarid> I already said that I can lie about my adress.
0:08:50 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IF U REALLY THINK
0:08:52 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AM BLUFFING
0:08:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:09:02 [Alarid] <Alarid> You can only trust yourself in giving a place
0:09:42 [Alarid] <Alarid> This will be so funny on MTGSalvation...
0:09:50 [Alarid] <Alarid> Thanks for the lol's.
0:09:53 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:09:53 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
Wildly inappropriate? Or comedic genius? He's all "I is kill you", so I lol'd and called his bluff. The "punk ass-*****" apparently was too afraid to give his address, thinking it possible to intimidate someone on the Internet.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
Hix360: Your behavior on MWS is incredibly rude and makes you look like a complete tool.
I just joined one of your games, and after we played a single game through, you immediately begin ranting that my choice of deck is "garbage" and "not even remotely tier 2, maybe tier 4 at best".
I was playing MUC, and you were playing Hive Mind Combo. Not only is MUC solidly Tier 2, but it is hardly an inferior rogue deck of some sort. It's basically U/W Control without white (Shackles instead of StP), if you want to place it somewhere in the metagame. It is competitive against practically every deck in the format. It's definitely not Tier 1, but it is no worse than a Tier 2 deck, on par with the Enchantresses, the Dredges, the Metalworker, and Goblins decks of the world in terms of competitiveness. Its win % against Hive Mind is no worse than 50%, *if* games 2 and 3 are played with sideboarding.
So instead of playing the match through and allowing me to SB, you begin flaming me and quit. I can understand quitting if you don't wish to test against a particular deck because it is non-competitive, but saying that MUC is non-competitive, especially after a few recent top 8s (Chris Kronenberger and Gerry Thompson) is narrow-minded and uninformed, to say the least. And to leave the way you did, by resorting to foul language and blatant malice in your choice of words, is boorish and basically makes you look like a complete idiot in the eyes of most serious Magic players.
Oh, and in a Magic tournament, if you quit (as you did) after game 1, regardless of whether you won that game or not, you lose the match. So I guess that means I won, huh?
You've been warned about this before, in this thread no less. This is also the reason that the other thread got made in the first place. Cool your jets. Flaming/Trolling Infraction.
-NightArcher
All we need to do is keep Hix360 sedated and this will all blow over...
People need to realize that you shouldn't waste players time on MWS by joining with "sub-par" decks. Sure, MUC is competitive, but there are a lot better decks than it right now.
I have lost it on people for joining with Tier 2 decks, and I am sure a lot of people have. I mean, if you are really testing a deck idea, you want to test it against the best, not second class. I have a couple of posts on this thread of me losing it on people for joining with a deck from the wrong format.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
All we need to do is keep Hix360 sedated and this will all blow over...
People need to realize that you shouldn't waste players time on MWS by joining with "sub-par" decks. Sure, MUC is competitive, but there are a lot better decks than it right now.
I have lost it on people for joining with Tier 2 decks, and I am sure a lot of people have. I mean, if you are really testing a deck idea, you want to test it against the best, not second class. I have a couple of posts on this thread of me losing it on people for joining with a deck from the wrong format.
There's a big difference between Tier 2, which is all of the competitive legacy decks that aren't *dominant* at the moment, and Tier 3+, which are the uncompetitive, inferior decks of the format.
Tier 1 is comprised right now of Merfolk, Hive Mind, GW Maverick, Zoo, Team America, BUG Landstill and Painter Combo. That's it.
Tier 2 is comprised of all of the rest of the decks that can win games against any other deck in the format at any given moment, and can even top 8 a tournament, but are not dominating the top 8 standings for whatever reason. Some examples of Tier 2 decks: Aggro Loam, Stax, Metalworker Combo, Death and Taxes, Enchantress, Dredge, Ad Nauseam Combo, Solidarity, UW Control, Elves, Affinity, Goblins, and, yes, MUC.
Tier 3+ decks are simply decks that are strictly inferior to other options in the meta. Examples of this would be Kobold Storm Combo, or RG Aggro using inferior creatures, or Kithkin.
MUC is not Tier 3 because it is a variant of UWx Landstill that subs out the Standstill package and the White removal for Back to Basics and Vedalken Shackles, and uses Ancestral Vision instead of the Standstill draw engine. Using this instead of the other stuff that Landstill uses does not make it inferior; it strengthens some matchups and weakens others, but it does not make it strictly worse than Landstill because Back to Basics and Shackles do things for MUC that Landstill simply can't do. You lose a little bit against aggro because you can't run efficient spot removal in StP and Wrath, but that's about it.
If you dont' want to test against MUC because you think it's Tier 3, you're wrong, because it is on even standing with the rest of the Tier 2 decks such as Goblins, Landstill, Death and Taxes and such. If you don't want to test against MUC because it's not Tier 1, then you'd correct that it isn't Tier 1, but if you restrict yourself to solely testing against Tier 1, you will miss out on alot of the metagame that shows up at tournaments.
Again, I fully understand quitting on a person playing, say, a Kithkin deck, a The Rack discard deck, a Type 2 deck, or even a MUC deck that doesn't run the marquee spells (a deck without Jace, Force, a real draw spell like Ancestral Vision, etc), but if your opponent is reasonably skilled, polite, and is playing competitive cards, by and large, you should at least give him the benefit of a full 2/3 match with sideboard.
This one was particularly aggravating. I was testing an excellent Cephalid Breakfast list that took second at a recent SCG Open against a U/W/R Jace+Stoneforge deck. My opponent started his turn, cast Brainstorm, activated both of his Grim Lavamancers, then immediately took another turn, thinking he'd done all of that at the end of one of my turns. I disputed this and repeatedly told him to check the log, but I don't think he ever did, and after a few minutes of painstaking conversation, he quit. It sucked, because he seemed like a nice guy, and hadn't done anything wrong up until that point.
It is now turn 25 (Dr. Steve Brule)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Dr. Steve Brule untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Dr. Steve Brule draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<w2ez> Ok Dr. Steve Brule taps Island
Dr. Steve Brule taps Tundra
Dr. Steve Brule plays Narcomoeba from Hand
<w2ez> Ok
<Dr. Steve Brule> End my turn It is now turn 26 (w2ez)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
w2ez untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
w2ez draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
w2ez taps Volcanic Island w2ez plays Brainstorm from Hand
<w2ez> Ok?
<Dr. Steve Brule> Ok
w2ez draws 3 cards
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
w2ez taps Volcanic Island
w2ez taps Grim Lavamancer
Dr. Steve Brule's life total is now 12 (-2)
w2ez puts Swords to Plowshares to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Force of Will to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
w2ez taps Grim Lavamancer
w2ez taps Volcanic Island
Dr. Steve Brule's life total is now 10 (-2)
w2ez puts Scalding Tarn to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Brainstorm to RFG from Graveyard It is now turn 27 (Dr. Steve Brule) - the "turn" I took that he referenced later (it was really just him pressing Ctrl+Enter twice)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step It is now turn 28 (w2ez)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
w2ez untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
w2ez draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Dr. Steve Brule> ? <Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<Dr. Steve Brule> you just took
<Dr. Steve Brule> 2 turns in a row
<w2ez> narcomoeba has flash?
<Dr. Steve Brule> i cast it during my turn
<w2ez> i eot brainstormed
<Dr. Steve Brule> read the log
<Dr. Steve Brule> you'll see the usual untap, upkepp, draw thing
<Dr. Steve Brule> then you'll see brainstorm being cast
<Dr. Steve Brule> then 2 lavamancer activations
<Dr. Steve Brule> then, another you'll start another turn
<w2ez> i control+entered to start my turn
<w2ez> but you never changed priority
<Dr. Steve Brule> read the log
<w2ez> so i fixed it
<Dr. Steve Brule> you took two turns in a row
<Dr. Steve Brule> just now
<w2ez> It is now turn 27 (Dr. Steve Brule)
<w2ez> It is now turn 28 (w2ez)
<Dr. Steve Brule> you'll notice
<w2ez> w/e
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
<Dr. Steve Brule> i did nothing on that "turn"
It is now turn 29 (Dr. Steve Brule)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Dr. Steve Brule> i hope you didn'
<Dr. Steve Brule> t just cheat right there
<w2ez> no
Dr. Steve Brule untaps his/her permanents
<w2ez> you did nothing on that turn
<w2ez> because you never switched the phosed
<w2ez> doesnt matter
<Dr. Steve Brule> tap lavamancers
<Dr. Steve Brule> both volcs
<Dr. Steve Brule> and the blue land you cast brainstorm with
<w2ez> THAT WAS ALL END OF YOUR TURN
<Dr. Steve Brule> READ THE LOG
<System> Player Lost
There's a big difference between Tier 2, which is all of the competitive legacy decks that aren't *dominant* at the moment, and Tier 3+, which are the uncompetitive, inferior decks of the format.
Tier 1 is comprised right now of Merfolk, Hive Mind, GW Maverick, Zoo, Team America, BUG Landstill and Painter Combo. That's it.
Tier 2 is comprised of all of the rest of the decks that can win games against any other deck in the format at any given moment, and can even top 8 a tournament, but are not dominating the top 8 standings for whatever reason. Some examples of Tier 2 decks: Aggro Loam, Stax, Metalworker Combo, Death and Taxes, Enchantress, Dredge, Ad Nauseam Combo, Solidarity, UW Control, Elves, Affinity, Goblins, and, yes, MUC.
Tier 3+ decks are simply decks that are strictly inferior to other options in the meta. Examples of this would be Kobold Storm Combo, or RG Aggro using inferior creatures, or Kithkin.
MUC is not Tier 3 because it is a variant of UWx Landstill that subs out the Standstill package and the White removal for Back to Basics and Vedalken Shackles, and uses Ancestral Vision instead of the Standstill draw engine. Using this instead of the other stuff that Landstill uses does not make it inferior; it strengthens some matchups and weakens others, but it does not make it strictly worse than Landstill because Back to Basics and Shackles do things for MUC that Landstill simply can't do. You lose a little bit against aggro because you can't run efficient spot removal in StP and Wrath, but that's about it.
If you dont' want to test against MUC because you think it's Tier 3, you're wrong, because it is on even standing with the rest of the Tier 2 decks such as Goblins, Landstill, Death and Taxes and such. If you don't want to test against MUC because it's not Tier 1, then you'd correct that it isn't Tier 1, but if you restrict yourself to solely testing against Tier 1, you will miss out on alot of the metagame that shows up at tournaments.
Again, I fully understand quitting on a person playing, say, a Kithkin deck, a The Rack discard deck, a Type 2 deck, or even a MUC deck that doesn't run the marquee spells (a deck without Jace, Force, a real draw spell like Ancestral Vision, etc), but if your opponent is reasonably skilled, polite, and is playing competitive cards, by and large, you should at least give him the benefit of a full 2/3 match with sideboard.
I think you missed the point of my post. It's completely reasonable for a person to get angry and quit when someone practically ignores there request for "Tier 1" decks. MUC isn't considered Tier 1 at this point, and Hix360 obviously didn't want to deal with any wishy-washy "but I'm a good player" stuff, but would rather play against what are considered "the best decks".
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
I think you missed the point of my post. It's completely reasonable for a person to get angry and quit when someone practically ignores there request for "Tier 1" decks. MUC isn't considered Tier 1 at this point, and Hix360 obviously didn't want to deal with any wishy-washy "but I'm a good player" stuff, but would rather play against what are considered "the best decks".
Except that, in his join notice, he clearly stated that he wanted "Strictly Tier 1 OR Tier 2 decks", and when he quit, he called MUC "Tier 4 garbage". MUC is solidly Tier 2, however.
Just so I don't get any random PM's about something I'll have no clue about, someone is patrolling around MWS with the tag of "TheRealShotGunNova". That used to be my tag, until I beat someone mercilessly and they just stopped playing. Then proceeded to "steal" my tag. So, please, don't send me your angry PM's about me calling you some racial slur or anything of that sort.
Just so I don't get any random PM's about something I'll have no clue about, someone is patrolling around MWS with the tag of "TheRealShotGunNova". That used to be my tag, until I beat someone mercilessly and they just stopped playing. Then proceeded to "steal" my tag. So, please, don't send me your angry PM's about me calling you some racial slur or anything of that sort.
After reading this as well as yet another Hix360 temper tantrum from the last page, it still puzzles me why you guys don't just use Cockatrice instead. Cockatrice blows MWS out of the water when it comes to free MTG clients.
MWS:
- crashes constantly
- is horrendously programmed and bugged to hell
- is completely outdated and obsolete
- is a ***** when it comes to adding new cards to the database
- does not give you the ability to restore games if you disconnect
- does not have a main chat window
- does not give you the ability to make friend and block lists
- cannot let you make your own, unique account
- is completely unregulated in terms of controlling problematic users
- has no way to let you spectate games
- cannot do multiplayer games
Ever since I downloaded Cocktrice, I have never, and I mean never used MWS ever again. I'm actually just about this close from deleting MWS off my computer completely. Sure, you're still going to run into bad eggs on Cockatrice like you would on MWS, but that's going to happen no matter where you go due to the anonymous nature of the internet.
After reading this as well as yet another Hix360 temper tantrum from the last page, it still puzzles me why you guys don't just use Cockatrice instead. Cockatrice blows MWS out of the water when it comes to free MTG clients.
MWS:
- crashes constantly
- is horrendously programmed and bugged to hell
- is completely outdated and obsolete
- is a ***** when it comes to adding new cards to the database
- does not give you the ability to restore games if you disconnect
- does not have a main chat window
- does not give you the ability to make friend and block lists
- cannot let you make your own, unique account
- is completely unregulated in terms of controlling problematic users
- has no way to let you spectate games
- cannot do multiplayer games
Ever since I downloaded Cocktrice, I have never, and I mean never used MWS ever again. I'm actually just about this close from deleting MWS off my computer completely. Sure, you're still going to run into bad eggs on Cockatrice like you would on MWS, but that's going to happen no matter where you go due to the anonymous nature of the internet.
I think it's just because the MWS interface is more aesthetically pleasing.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
I think it's just because the MWS interface is more aesthetically pleasing.
I never found the MWS interface more aesthetically pleasing. It's the opposite way around for me, actually. What about Cockatrice is not appealing?
The big reason to use MWS for me, is that for some reason all of the Legacy players use it. I am never at a loss to find a quality opponent playing Legacy at all hours of the day on MWS, whereas on Cockatrice it seems that the vast majority of users are playing Standard or EDH, and often times I can wait for 20 or more minutes before seeing someone with a Legacy game open.
I never found the MWS interface more aesthetically pleasing. It's the opposite way around for me, actually. What about Cockatrice is not appealing?
The big reason to use MWS for me, is that for some reason all of the Legacy players use it. I am never at a loss to find a quality opponent playing Legacy at all hours of the day on MWS, whereas on Cockatrice it seems that the vast majority of users are playing Standard or EDH, and often times I can wait for 20 or more minutes before seeing someone with a Legacy game open.
I don't know why, but I am just able to do things faster on MWS without having to know/look up a lot of Hot-Keys.
I have noticed the same thing, and for some reason the Legacy players on there always do things to anger you. Just now, I played a game against someone who switched the turn on me, so I started Untapping, Drawing, etc, then he decides to tell me that he wasn't done his turn. The next guy seemed to think that Seasinger not only allowed him to steal a creature every turn, but somehow made his creatures invincible because Elspeth was on the field.
*Yep, tried Cockatrice, and it loses all functionality if you are in CTRL lock. A problem that I can't fix.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
It's been a while since I had a problematic opponent. This, however, was one of them.
Rafael plays Adaptive Automaton from Hand
Adaptive Automaton's note changed: criatura artefato
<Rafael> End my turn
<Mogg> that's not a creature type
<Rafael> ...choose a creature type
<Mogg> artifact isn't a creature type
<Mogg> it's a card type
<Rafael> creature type no ?
<Mogg> no
<Rafael> card type ?
<Rafael> see card
<Rafael> noob
<System> Player Lost
It's been a while since I had a problematic opponent. This, however, was one of them.
Rafael plays Adaptive Automaton from Hand
Adaptive Automaton's note changed: criatura artefato
<Rafael> End my turn
<Mogg> that's not a creature type
<Rafael> ...choose a creature type
<Mogg> artifact isn't a creature type
<Mogg> it's a card type
<Rafael> creature type no ?
<Mogg> no
<Rafael> card type ?
<Rafael> see card
<Rafael> noob
<System> Player Lost
So many people keep trying to pull that. I understand if a newer player gets a bit confused by it, but if you are using MWS/Cockatrice I doubt you are that new.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
Guy actually seemed pretty cool the firest two rounds until this happened, it is just testing, don't get this worked up over variance..., btw i had 12 cards i could draw that would have won me the game.
0:05:09 [bastard force] bastard force plays Karn Liberated from Hand
0:05:12 [bastard force] Karn Liberated now has 10 (+10) counters.
0:05:13 [P-Funk] P-Funk puts Artillerize to RFG from Hand
0:05:18 [bastard force] <bastard force> End my turn
0:05:19 [P-Funk] It is now turn 14 (P-Funk)
0:05:19 [P-Funk] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:19 [P-Funk] P-Funk untaps his/her permanents
0:05:20 [P-Funk] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:21 [P-Funk] P-Funk draws a card
0:05:21 [P-Funk] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:22 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Forest
0:05:23 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Razorverge Thicket
0:05:23 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Razorverge Thicket
0:05:25 [P-Funk] P-Funk plays Raid Bombardment from Hand
0:05:26 [P-Funk] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:05:27 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:27 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] <bastard force> .....
0:05:28 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:29 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:29 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:32 [bastard force] bastard force's life total is now 6 (-4)
0:05:34 [bastard force] bastard force's life total is now 2 (-4)
0:05:35 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> End my turn
0:05:37 [bastard force] It is now turn 15 (bastard force)
0:05:37 [bastard force] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:37 [bastard force] bastard force untaps his/her permanents
0:05:38 [bastard force] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:39 [bastard force] bastard force draws a card
0:05:39 [bastard force] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:45 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> thats why i run 4 =]
0:05:46 [bastard force] <bastard force> nice topdeck
0:05:54 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> not really a topdeck
0:05:58 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i could have sliced alot
0:06:13 [bastard force] <bastard force> that was totally a topdeck
0:06:15 [bastard force] <bastard force> you ****
0:06:16 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> no
0:06:20 [bastard force] <bastard force> you had 0 cards
0:06:20 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i have tons of damage
0:06:28 [bastard force] <bastard force> wtf?
0:06:30 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i had tons of card to slice
0:06:30 [bastard force] bastard force plays Volition Reins from Hand
0:06:32 [bastard force] bastard force is now the controller of Squadron Hawk
0:06:32 [bastard force] bastard force untaps Squadron Hawk
0:06:33 [bastard force] Volition Reins is enchanting Squadron Hawk now
0:06:38 [bastard force] <bastard force> i wouldve won
0:06:41 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> no
0:06:45 [bastard force] <bastard force> except for that lucky topdeck
0:06:46 [bastard force] <bastard force> ******
0:06:48 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i have tons of cards that win game if i draw
0:06:50 [bastard force] <bastard force> cheating ***** dude
0:06:50 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> okay
0:06:54 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> sore losing noob
0:06:56 [bastard force] <bastard force> cheating *****
0:07:00 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> l2 60 card
0:07:01 [bastard force] <bastard force> stacking yo deck ******
0:07:02 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> sure
0:07:09 [bastard force] <bastard force> eat a **** *******
0:07:10 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
It is now turn 15 (Knyght [US])
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Knyght [US] untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Knyght [US] draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Knyght [US] plays Mountain from Hand
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] taps Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] plays Volt Charge from Hand
Vapor's life total is now 3 (-3)
Knyght [US] sacrifices Volt Charge
Knyght [US] puts Chandra's Phoenix into play from Graveyard
Knyght [US] puts Chandra's Phoenix to Hand from Play
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] taps Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] plays Chandra's Phoenix from Hand
Shrine of Burning Rage now has 4 (+4) counters.
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Knyght [US] taps Ember Hauler
Knyght [US] taps Goblin Guide
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Ember Hauler
Knyght [US] taps Goblin Guide
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Vapor taps Forest
Vapor plays Fog from Hand
<Knyght [US]> k
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
Vapor sacrifices Fog
<Knyght [US]> Pass
It is now turn 16 (Vapor)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Vapor untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Vapor draws a card
Vapor plays Archive Trap from Hand
Knyght [US] puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Library
Vapor taps Drowned Catacomb
Vapor taps Island
Vapor taps Island
Vapor taps Plains
Vapor taps Island
Knyght [US] draws 6 cards
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Shrine of Burning Rage
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Vapor sacrifices Archive Trap
Jace, Memory Adept now has 5 (+1) counters.
<Vapor> gg
<Knyght [US]> I don't lose until I have to draw a card.
<Vapor> you have to draw now
<Vapor> you have no cards
<Knyght [US]> Nope.
<Vapor> yes
<Vapor> gg
<Knyght [US]> +1 doesn't target.
<Knyght [US]> Read the card.
<Vapor> target player
<Vapor> read
<Vapor> anyway i win
<Vapor> later
<Knyght [US]> You +1'd, you draw a card, I put the top card of my graveyard into my library, not draw it.
<System> Player Lost
He was at 3 life, was tapped out, and I had 0 cards in my library and could do 7 damage on my upkeep. Sigh. This guy was playing 4-color FogMill...
Even when it is spelled out for them, they don't get it. Some people are so stupid that they just insult everyone around them with there assumptions. I blocked Frogmite and sacrificed Pridemage to deal with a Cranial Plating. As you can see, it was very hard to understand...
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now genghisvan's turn.
It is now the untap step.
genghisvan untaps Ornithopter.
genghisvan untaps Ancient Tomb.
genghisvan untaps Glimmervoid.
genghisvan draws 1 card(s).
genghisvan puts Vault of Whispers into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
genghisvan taps Frogmite.
genghisvan taps Ornithopter.
genghisvan sets PT of Ornithopter to 6/2.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Frogmite.
Alarid taps Noble Hierarch.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Cranial Plating.
genghisvan puts Frogmite from table into graveyard.
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage from table into graveyard.
genghisvan sets PT of Ornithopter to 5/2.
genghisvan points from genghisvan's Ornithopter to Alarid.
Alarid: Frogmite survies
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage into play from graveyard.
Alarid points from Alarid's Noble Hierarch to Alarid's Qasali Pridemage.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Cranial Plating.
genghisvan puts Frogmite into play from graveyard.
Alarid: 0 damage
genghisvan puts Ornithopter from table into graveyard.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Frogmite.
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage from table into graveyard.
Alarid: ...
genghisvan: wit
genghisvan taps Vault of Whispers.
genghisvan taps Vault of Whispers.
Alarid: You (expletive) insulting bastard
Alarid: Do you think that I am that stupid?
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 3/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 4/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 5/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 6/2.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
Rebound is confusing. I cast Staggershock from exile. After it resolved, I exiled it with Grim Lavamancer. My opponent insisted that Staggershock becomes exiled when cast from exile.
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile
Mogg puts Staggershock to RFG from Graveyard
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> shock
Mogg puts Scalding Tarn to RFG from Graveyard
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> no no
<Mogg> shock goes to the graveyard when it resolves
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile
<Mogg> only exiled when rebounded
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> view ard
<Mogg> yes, you too
<Mogg> I cast it from rebound
<Mogg> there's no additional rule
<Mogg> about exiling it after that
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile without playing it mana cost
<Mogg> cast without paying mana cost
<Mogg> here's what happens
<Mogg> first
<System> Player Lost
EDIT: Another one:
My opponent was friendly enough. We had a nice game. I was just amused by what happened after the match ended.
Mogg plays Incinerate from Hand
Mogg taps Mountain
Mogg taps Mountain
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
<gg> gg
<Mogg> thanks for the match
gg plays Elixir of Immortality from Hand
<System> Player Lost
I needed to test out some sideboards options for Manaless Dredge, so I hopped on MWS intending to play a few games and try out a few configurations. The first match was against a Hypergenesis player. Everything was fine until I ended up winning (well, would have won) game three despite him getting out an Emrakul on turn two:
Dr. Steve Brule puts Sphinx of Lost Truths into play from Graveyard
Dr. Steve Brule puts Dread Return to RFG from Play
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Grave-Troll into play from Graveyard
Dr. Steve Brule puts Shambling Shell into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Shambling Shell into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Sphinx of Lost Truths into play from Library <Underoath> Faster
Dr. Steve Brule puts Cabal Therapy into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Street Wraith into play from Library <Underoath> I would apreciate
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Library <Dr. Steve Brule> sry <Dr. Steve Brule> this is it
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Shambling Shell
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Shambling Shell
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Sphinx of Lost Truths
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Cabal Therapy
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Street Wraith
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Golgari Thug
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Grave-Troll into play from Graveyard
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Ichorid into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Chancellor of the Annex into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Narcomoeba into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Dread Return into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Urza's Bauble into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Golgari Thug
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Ichorid
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Chancellor of the Annex
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Dread Return
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Urza's Bauble <Underoath> Go play in solo mode then mate
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Graveyard <Underoath> Cya
<System> Player Lost
Having played probably too much MWS for my own good over the past year, I've gotten very fast and efficient in controlling the game, so that had nothing to do with it. It was just funny to me because the exact turn before, he had individually flipped over ~40 cards in his library to find a Hypergenesis that he was cascading into, and then was complaining about the speed of play while I flipped over ~20 cards while dredging. Also, the fact that he's telling me to play in solo mode when he's bringing Hypergenesis to the table was pretty funny.
I played Modern against some random scrub on MWS. He was playing Martyr, and I was playing 12-post. I asked him if he was going to the pro tour; he said he was, and I replied that I was not. Four turns later I got infinite Emrakuls, and then he said:
<DAFFY> BTW, you might want to stop netdecking, kind of pathetic, no wonder you're not going to the PT =)
And then IMMEDIATELY
<System> Player Lost
...Yeah, I guess I'm not going to the pro tour because I netdecked in a format where there ARE NO NETDECKS. And Martyr totally isn't a netdeck. =)
Trolling
Vince with Slap Chop vs Hix360 [6/25/2011 11:23:46 PM]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop's Security Code: 1BFA6686 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] Hix360's Security Code: 7B0A040E [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 1 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> hey
0:00:02 [Hix360] <Hix360> Hi
0:00:02 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop rolled a 5, using a 20 sided die
0:00:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:03 [Hix360] Hix360 shuffles library
0:00:04 [Hix360] Hix360 rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
0:00:04 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:05 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> ip
0:00:06 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:07 [Hix360] Hix360 draws 7 cards
0:00:07 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop shuffles library
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:09 [Hix360] <Hix360> Keep
0:00:10 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:11 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> kp
0:00:13 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:16 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Bayou from Hand
0:00:17 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Bayou
0:00:19 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Raven's Crime from Hand
0:00:24 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Misdirection from Hand
0:00:26 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Hive Mind to RFG from Hand
0:00:27 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Raven's Crime to Graveyard from Play
0:00:40 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop puts Funeral Charm to Graveyard from Hand
0:00:40 [Hix360] <Hix360> you discard
0:00:44 [Hix360] <Hix360> wow
0:00:46 [Hix360] Hix360 puts Misdirection to Graveyard from Play
0:00:50 [Hix360] <Hix360> wtf is this bull****
0:00:51 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> End my turn
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
0:00:51 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:52 [Hix360] Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:53 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:00:53 [Hix360] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:54 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Island from Hand
0:00:55 [Hix360] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:00:56 [Hix360] <Hix360> End My Turn
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now turn 3 (Vince with Slap Chop)
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:57 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop untaps his/her permanents
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:00:59 [Vince with Slap Chop] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Swamp from Hand
0:01:01 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop taps Swamp
0:01:03 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop plays Thoughtseize from Hand
0:01:04 [Hix360] <Hix360> Response
0:01:05 [Hix360] Hix360 plays Brainstorm from Hand
0:01:06 [Hix360] Hix360 taps Island
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:08 [Vince with Slap Chop] <Vince with Slap Chop> lol
0:01:08 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:09 [Hix360] Hix360 draws a card
0:01:16 [Hix360] <Hix360> actually **** this
0:01:19 [Hix360] <Hix360> your deck is garbage
0:01:21 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:25 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
0:01:26 [Vince with Slap Chop] Vince with Slap Chop draws a card
UBRGWControlled from every angle WGRBU
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?b=5886
Anyways, I digress. A log. When plans A, B, and C don't work...Accuse your opponent of cheating and leave before they can explain what happened...By the way, he has a Chalice of the Void on 0.
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Hix360 draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Hix360 plays Show and Tell from Hand
Hix360 taps Island
Hix360 taps Ancient Tomb
Hix360's life total is now 15 (-2)
<Hix360> Ok?
Yaw plays a facedown card from Hand
Hix360 plays a facedown card from Hand
Hix360 flips Hive Mind over
Hix360 puts Show and Tell to Graveyard from Play
Yaw flips Tawnos's Coffin over
Hix360 plays Slaughter Pact from Hand
Hix360 plays Summoner's Pact from Hand
<Hix360> gg?
<Yaw> no i have mana
<Hix360> 7 mana
<Yaw> 7
<Hix360> witness doesnt tap for mana...
<Hix360> you have 5 lands and a birds
<Yaw> but next my upkeep
<Hix360> that is 6
<Yaw> u end?
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Hix360> End My Turn
It is now turn 23 (Yaw)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Yaw untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
<Yaw> ok?
<Yaw> resp
Yaw taps Verdant Catacombs
Yaw puts Verdant Catacombs to Graveyard from Play
Yaw is looking its Library...
Yaw puts Bayou into play from Library
Yaw shuffles library
Yaw stops looking its Library...
Yaw taps Bayou
Yaw taps Taiga
Yaw taps Swamp
<Hix360> Ok
Yaw taps Vault of Whispers
Yaw taps Forest
Yaw taps Birds of Paradise
Yaw taps Eternal Witness
<Hix360> no
<Hix360> witness does not produce mana!!
<Yaw> what mo?
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
<Yaw> what no?
<Hix360> why do you think it does?
<Yaw> wait
<Yaw> Ok
<Hix360> jeeze
Yaw is looking its Library...
Yaw puts Birds of Paradise into play from Library
<Yaw> Ok?
<Hix360> know what your cards do
Yaw shuffles library
Yaw stops looking its Library...
<Hix360> no?
<Yaw> why?
<Yaw> i have a copy
Yaw untaps Eternal Witness
<Hix360> ok
Yaw taps Birds of Paradise
<Hix360> its in your hand
<Hix360> not in play
<Yaw> Ok
<Yaw> g2?
<Hix360> i guess
<Opponent is requesting a new game>
Yaw shuffles library
<Yaw> I am ready.
Yaw draws 0 cards
Yaw draws 7 cards
Hix360 shuffles library
<Hix360> I am ready.
Hix360 draws 0 cards
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Hix360's Security Code: 7B0A040E [Type 1.5]
Yaw's Security Code: B34EE2CE [???]
It is now turn 1 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Yaw> Kp
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 draws 7 cards
<Hix360> Keep
Yaw plays Verdant Catacombs from Hand
<Yaw> wait noob
<Hix360> ???
<Yaw> a have chalise 0!!!!!!!!!!!
<Yaw> gay
<Hix360> so?
<System> Player Lost
PS. Yes, I know I will get a flaming warning/infraction. But you know what? It was damn worth it. Pieces of **** like this give Salvation a bad name.
EDIT: Ooh and don't forget this log, posted just 3 days ago by Falknir exhibiting your lack of knowledge of the game. Falknir's Log. So grow up and learn the rules, kid.
Flaming Infraction
I still can't figure out how a Discard deck is any good, I mean Brainstorm is in the format.
*I linked to Jace.
Alarid vs Eric W. [30/06/2011 4:04:59 AM]
0:00:00 [Alarid] <New Game: waiting for opponent>
0:00:00 [Alarid] Alarid shuffles library
0:00:00 [Alarid] <Alarid> Rules or Seppuku.
0:00:00 [Alarid] Alarid draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W. shuffles library
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W. draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [Eric W.] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Eric W.'s Security Code: 2E41CAF4 [???]
0:00:00 [Eric W.] Alarid's Security Code: CE909855 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Eric W.] It is now turn 1 (Alarid)
0:00:00 [Eric W.] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> Y NOT WHAT ***** U GOT SOMETHING TO SAY PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:00:19 [Alarid] <Alarid> It is so hard to ignore random people online?
0:00:21 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> NUFF SAID
0:00:22 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> *****
0:00:25 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:00:32 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ITS PUSSIES
0:00:33 [Alarid] <Alarid> Sure, if you want to come up to Canada
0:00:37 [Alarid] <Alarid> Be my guest.
0:00:40 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THAT LIKE TO OPEN THEY MOUTH
0:00:59 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IF IT MEANT PUTTING A SIZE 12
0:01:06 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> HOLE IN YOUR HEAD
0:01:08 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> Y NOT
0:01:10 [Alarid] <Alarid> You aren't very accomadating when it comes to killing people
0:01:29 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WTF U MEAN BY THAT
0:01:35 [Alarid] <Alarid> I mean, I can give you my adress, but I really doubt you would commit to it
0:01:49 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U DONT KNOW THE MIND OF A KILLER NOW DO U
0:01:56 [Alarid] <Alarid> Yeah, I kinda do
0:01:56 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ALL I NEED
0:02:00 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IS A ADDRESS
0:02:05 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> LETS START WITH YOURS
0:02:07 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:02:18 [Alarid] <Alarid> Why, afraid to give yours?
0:02:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I ASKED FOR YOURS I WOULD
0:02:32 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> LOVE TO MEET U IN PERSON
0:02:43 [Alarid] <Alarid> So, why not give me your adress?
0:02:51 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> QUIT THE BS
0:02:52 [Alarid] <Alarid> Afraid?
0:02:58 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U AFRAID
0:03:05 [Alarid] <Alarid> So big and tough, but too afraid to give an adress...
0:03:06 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> PUT IT ON HERE
0:03:08 [Alarid] <Alarid> Pathetic
0:03:11 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TELL U WHAT I WILL BE THEIR
0:03:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IN A DAY
0:03:32 [Alarid] <Alarid> Willing to travel to Canada, but not willing to let people know where you live...
0:03:33 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I WILL KNOW ON YOUR DOOR
0:03:38 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> DRAW OUT MY GUN
0:03:45 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AND IF U OPEN THE DOOR U WILL DIE
0:03:51 [Alarid] <Alarid> Willing to take a chance that I am lying instead of telling me where you live...
0:03:54 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I DONT LIVE IN
0:03:58 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> CANADA
0:04:04 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THEY WONT CATCH ME THEIR
0:04:07 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> KILLING U
0:04:10 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:04:13 [Alarid] <Alarid> This is funny
0:04:20 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> FUNNY AS U R
0:04:24 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO TELL ME
0:04:28 [Alarid] <Alarid> All you have to do is give me your address
0:04:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE U STAY
0:04:47 [Alarid] <Alarid> Since you aren't afraid of getting caught...
0:04:49 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:04:50 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U COME TO MY TABLE
0:04:53 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TO TALK ****
0:05:02 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> DONT WANT TO GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS
0:05:06 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol...
0:05:12 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHAT THE **** YOU HERE FOR *****
0:05:31 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AM CALLING U OUT
0:05:32 [Alarid] <Alarid> It's ****ing hilarious how you are threatening to kill me when you didn't even read me typing anything
0:05:37 [Alarid] <Alarid> How ****ing stupid can a person be
0:05:53 [Alarid] <Alarid> So ****ing stupid that they are too afraid to tell someone where they live
0:05:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> STUPID ENOUGH TO PUT A BULLET IN YOUR HEAD
0:06:01 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> REAL STUPID
0:06:28 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> YOU NEED TO ONLY KNOW ONE THING *****
0:06:29 [Alarid] <Alarid> So, you are trying to call me out when you are too afraid to tell me where to meet you?
0:06:33 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE ARE U HIDING AT
0:06:39 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO I CAN MEET U IN PERSON
0:06:47 [Alarid] <Alarid> Too afraid to name the date and the time
0:06:55 [Alarid] <Alarid> PATHETIC
0:06:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I TOLD U THE TIME AND DATE
0:07:01 [Alarid] <Alarid> I CANT TYPE IN CAPS LOCK TOO
0:07:01 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ARE U RETARDED
0:07:06 [Alarid] <Alarid> RAR RAR RAR
0:07:11 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> TOMORROW
0:07:14 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> I WILL BE THEIR
0:07:17 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> WHERE U LIVE
0:07:20 [Alarid] <Alarid> lol
0:07:28 [Alarid] <Alarid> You keep saying that as though you can make it happen
0:07:34 [Alarid] <Alarid> And I keep calling your bluff
0:07:36 [Alarid] <Alarid> Give up
0:07:55 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> CALL ME BLUFF WHEN I MEET U AT YOUR DOOR
0:07:56 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> STEP
0:07:57 [Alarid] <Alarid> If you want something to happen, then you name the date and time
0:08:19 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> U WANT TO FIND OUT IF AM BLUFFING
0:08:25 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> THEN TRY ME
0:08:34 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> ALL U HAVE TO DO IS PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:08:37 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> SO I CAN FIND U
0:08:49 [Alarid] <Alarid> I already said that I can lie about my adress.
0:08:50 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> IF U REALLY THINK
0:08:52 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> AM BLUFFING
0:08:57 [Eric W.] <Eric W.> PUT YOUR ADDRESS UP
0:09:02 [Alarid] <Alarid> You can only trust yourself in giving a place
0:09:42 [Alarid] <Alarid> This will be so funny on MTGSalvation...
0:09:50 [Alarid] <Alarid> Thanks for the lol's.
0:09:53 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:09:53 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
Wildly inappropriate? Or comedic genius? He's all "I is kill you", so I lol'd and called his bluff. The "punk ass-*****" apparently was too afraid to give his address, thinking it possible to intimidate someone on the Internet.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
I just joined one of your games, and after we played a single game through, you immediately begin ranting that my choice of deck is "garbage" and "not even remotely tier 2, maybe tier 4 at best".
I was playing MUC, and you were playing Hive Mind Combo. Not only is MUC solidly Tier 2, but it is hardly an inferior rogue deck of some sort. It's basically U/W Control without white (Shackles instead of StP), if you want to place it somewhere in the metagame. It is competitive against practically every deck in the format. It's definitely not Tier 1, but it is no worse than a Tier 2 deck, on par with the Enchantresses, the Dredges, the Metalworker, and Goblins decks of the world in terms of competitiveness. Its win % against Hive Mind is no worse than 50%, *if* games 2 and 3 are played with sideboarding.
So instead of playing the match through and allowing me to SB, you begin flaming me and quit. I can understand quitting if you don't wish to test against a particular deck because it is non-competitive, but saying that MUC is non-competitive, especially after a few recent top 8s (Chris Kronenberger and Gerry Thompson) is narrow-minded and uninformed, to say the least. And to leave the way you did, by resorting to foul language and blatant malice in your choice of words, is boorish and basically makes you look like a complete idiot in the eyes of most serious Magic players.
Oh, and in a Magic tournament, if you quit (as you did) after game 1, regardless of whether you won that game or not, you lose the match. So I guess that means I won, huh?
You've been warned about this before, in this thread no less. This is also the reason that the other thread got made in the first place. Cool your jets. Flaming/Trolling Infraction.
-NightArcher
We don't need posts like this. Spam warning.
-NightArcher
Reckless Waif; It's the red Delver of Secrets.
All we need to do is keep Hix360 sedated and this will all blow over...
People need to realize that you shouldn't waste players time on MWS by joining with "sub-par" decks. Sure, MUC is competitive, but there are a lot better decks than it right now.
I have lost it on people for joining with Tier 2 decks, and I am sure a lot of people have. I mean, if you are really testing a deck idea, you want to test it against the best, not second class. I have a couple of posts on this thread of me losing it on people for joining with a deck from the wrong format.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
There's a big difference between Tier 2, which is all of the competitive legacy decks that aren't *dominant* at the moment, and Tier 3+, which are the uncompetitive, inferior decks of the format.
Tier 1 is comprised right now of Merfolk, Hive Mind, GW Maverick, Zoo, Team America, BUG Landstill and Painter Combo. That's it.
Tier 2 is comprised of all of the rest of the decks that can win games against any other deck in the format at any given moment, and can even top 8 a tournament, but are not dominating the top 8 standings for whatever reason. Some examples of Tier 2 decks: Aggro Loam, Stax, Metalworker Combo, Death and Taxes, Enchantress, Dredge, Ad Nauseam Combo, Solidarity, UW Control, Elves, Affinity, Goblins, and, yes, MUC.
Tier 3+ decks are simply decks that are strictly inferior to other options in the meta. Examples of this would be Kobold Storm Combo, or RG Aggro using inferior creatures, or Kithkin.
MUC is not Tier 3 because it is a variant of UWx Landstill that subs out the Standstill package and the White removal for Back to Basics and Vedalken Shackles, and uses Ancestral Vision instead of the Standstill draw engine. Using this instead of the other stuff that Landstill uses does not make it inferior; it strengthens some matchups and weakens others, but it does not make it strictly worse than Landstill because Back to Basics and Shackles do things for MUC that Landstill simply can't do. You lose a little bit against aggro because you can't run efficient spot removal in StP and Wrath, but that's about it.
If you dont' want to test against MUC because you think it's Tier 3, you're wrong, because it is on even standing with the rest of the Tier 2 decks such as Goblins, Landstill, Death and Taxes and such. If you don't want to test against MUC because it's not Tier 1, then you'd correct that it isn't Tier 1, but if you restrict yourself to solely testing against Tier 1, you will miss out on alot of the metagame that shows up at tournaments.
Again, I fully understand quitting on a person playing, say, a Kithkin deck, a The Rack discard deck, a Type 2 deck, or even a MUC deck that doesn't run the marquee spells (a deck without Jace, Force, a real draw spell like Ancestral Vision, etc), but if your opponent is reasonably skilled, polite, and is playing competitive cards, by and large, you should at least give him the benefit of a full 2/3 match with sideboard.
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Dr. Steve Brule untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Dr. Steve Brule draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<w2ez> Ok
Dr. Steve Brule taps Island
Dr. Steve Brule taps Tundra
Dr. Steve Brule plays Narcomoeba from Hand
<w2ez> Ok
<Dr. Steve Brule> End my turn
It is now turn 26 (w2ez)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
w2ez untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
w2ez draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
w2ez taps Volcanic Island
w2ez plays Brainstorm from Hand
<w2ez> Ok?
<Dr. Steve Brule> Ok
w2ez draws 3 cards
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
w2ez taps Volcanic Island
w2ez taps Grim Lavamancer
Dr. Steve Brule's life total is now 12 (-2)
w2ez puts Swords to Plowshares to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Force of Will to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
w2ez taps Grim Lavamancer
w2ez taps Volcanic Island
Dr. Steve Brule's life total is now 10 (-2)
w2ez puts Scalding Tarn to RFG from Graveyard
w2ez puts Brainstorm to RFG from Graveyard
It is now turn 27 (Dr. Steve Brule) - the "turn" I took that he referenced later (it was really just him pressing Ctrl+Enter twice)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now turn 28 (w2ez)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
w2ez untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
w2ez draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Dr. Steve Brule> ?
<Dr. Steve Brule> Thinking
<Dr. Steve Brule> you just took
<Dr. Steve Brule> 2 turns in a row
<w2ez> narcomoeba has flash?
<Dr. Steve Brule> i cast it during my turn
<w2ez> i eot brainstormed
<Dr. Steve Brule> read the log
<Dr. Steve Brule> you'll see the usual untap, upkepp, draw thing
<Dr. Steve Brule> then you'll see brainstorm being cast
<Dr. Steve Brule> then 2 lavamancer activations
<Dr. Steve Brule> then, another you'll start another turn
<w2ez> i control+entered to start my turn
<w2ez> but you never changed priority
<Dr. Steve Brule> read the log
<w2ez> so i fixed it
<Dr. Steve Brule> you took two turns in a row
<Dr. Steve Brule> just now
<w2ez> It is now turn 27 (Dr. Steve Brule)
<w2ez> It is now turn 28 (w2ez)
<Dr. Steve Brule> you'll notice
<w2ez> w/e
w2ez puts a card on top of Library from Hand
<Dr. Steve Brule> i did nothing on that "turn"
It is now turn 29 (Dr. Steve Brule)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Dr. Steve Brule> i hope you didn'
<Dr. Steve Brule> t just cheat right there
<w2ez> no
Dr. Steve Brule untaps his/her permanents
<w2ez> you did nothing on that turn
<w2ez> because you never switched the phosed
<w2ez> doesnt matter
<Dr. Steve Brule> tap lavamancers
<Dr. Steve Brule> both volcs
<Dr. Steve Brule> and the blue land you cast brainstorm with
<w2ez> THAT WAS ALL END OF YOUR TURN
<Dr. Steve Brule> READ THE LOG
<System> Player Lost
I think you missed the point of my post. It's completely reasonable for a person to get angry and quit when someone practically ignores there request for "Tier 1" decks. MUC isn't considered Tier 1 at this point, and Hix360 obviously didn't want to deal with any wishy-washy "but I'm a good player" stuff, but would rather play against what are considered "the best decks".
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Haters gonna hate
Spam Infraction
-NightArcher
Except that, in his join notice, he clearly stated that he wanted "Strictly Tier 1 OR Tier 2 decks", and when he quit, he called MUC "Tier 4 garbage". MUC is solidly Tier 2, however.
Thanks to the boyz at Kracked Graphics
After reading this as well as yet another Hix360 temper tantrum from the last page, it still puzzles me why you guys don't just use Cockatrice instead. Cockatrice blows MWS out of the water when it comes to free MTG clients.
MWS:
- crashes constantly
- is horrendously programmed and bugged to hell
- is completely outdated and obsolete
- is a ***** when it comes to adding new cards to the database
- does not give you the ability to restore games if you disconnect
- does not have a main chat window
- does not give you the ability to make friend and block lists
- cannot let you make your own, unique account
- is completely unregulated in terms of controlling problematic users
- has no way to let you spectate games
- cannot do multiplayer games
Ever since I downloaded Cocktrice, I have never, and I mean never used MWS ever again. I'm actually just about this close from deleting MWS off my computer completely. Sure, you're still going to run into bad eggs on Cockatrice like you would on MWS, but that's going to happen no matter where you go due to the anonymous nature of the internet.
I think it's just because the MWS interface is more aesthetically pleasing.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
I never found the MWS interface more aesthetically pleasing. It's the opposite way around for me, actually. What about Cockatrice is not appealing?
The big reason to use MWS for me, is that for some reason all of the Legacy players use it. I am never at a loss to find a quality opponent playing Legacy at all hours of the day on MWS, whereas on Cockatrice it seems that the vast majority of users are playing Standard or EDH, and often times I can wait for 20 or more minutes before seeing someone with a Legacy game open.
I don't know why, but I am just able to do things faster on MWS without having to know/look up a lot of Hot-Keys.
I have noticed the same thing, and for some reason the Legacy players on there always do things to anger you. Just now, I played a game against someone who switched the turn on me, so I started Untapping, Drawing, etc, then he decides to tell me that he wasn't done his turn. The next guy seemed to think that Seasinger not only allowed him to steal a creature every turn, but somehow made his creatures invincible because Elspeth was on the field.
*Yep, tried Cockatrice, and it loses all functionality if you are in CTRL lock. A problem that I can't fix.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Rafael plays Adaptive Automaton from Hand
Adaptive Automaton's note changed: criatura artefato
<Rafael> End my turn
<Mogg> that's not a creature type
<Rafael> ...choose a creature type
<Mogg> artifact isn't a creature type
<Mogg> it's a card type
<Rafael> creature type no ?
<Mogg> no
<Rafael> card type ?
<Rafael> see card
<Rafael> noob
<System> Player Lost
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
So many people keep trying to pull that. I understand if a newer player gets a bit confused by it, but if you are using MWS/Cockatrice I doubt you are that new.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
0:05:12 [bastard force] Karn Liberated now has 10 (+10) counters.
0:05:13 [P-Funk] P-Funk puts Artillerize to RFG from Hand
0:05:18 [bastard force] <bastard force> End my turn
0:05:19 [P-Funk] It is now turn 14 (P-Funk)
0:05:19 [P-Funk] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:19 [P-Funk] P-Funk untaps his/her permanents
0:05:20 [P-Funk] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:21 [P-Funk] P-Funk draws a card
0:05:21 [P-Funk] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:22 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Forest
0:05:23 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Razorverge Thicket
0:05:23 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Razorverge Thicket
0:05:25 [P-Funk] P-Funk plays Raid Bombardment from Hand
0:05:26 [P-Funk] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:05:27 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:27 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:28 [bastard force] <bastard force> .....
0:05:28 [P-Funk] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:29 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:29 [bastard force] P-Funk taps Squadron Hawk
0:05:32 [bastard force] bastard force's life total is now 6 (-4)
0:05:34 [bastard force] bastard force's life total is now 2 (-4)
0:05:35 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> End my turn
0:05:37 [bastard force] It is now turn 15 (bastard force)
0:05:37 [bastard force] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:37 [bastard force] bastard force untaps his/her permanents
0:05:38 [bastard force] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:39 [bastard force] bastard force draws a card
0:05:39 [bastard force] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:45 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> thats why i run 4 =]
0:05:46 [bastard force] <bastard force> nice topdeck
0:05:54 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> not really a topdeck
0:05:58 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i could have sliced alot
0:06:13 [bastard force] <bastard force> that was totally a topdeck
0:06:15 [bastard force] <bastard force> you ****
0:06:16 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> no
0:06:20 [bastard force] <bastard force> you had 0 cards
0:06:20 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i have tons of damage
0:06:28 [bastard force] <bastard force> wtf?
0:06:30 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i had tons of card to slice
0:06:30 [bastard force] bastard force plays Volition Reins from Hand
0:06:32 [bastard force] bastard force is now the controller of Squadron Hawk
0:06:32 [bastard force] bastard force untaps Squadron Hawk
0:06:33 [bastard force] Volition Reins is enchanting Squadron Hawk now
0:06:38 [bastard force] <bastard force> i wouldve won
0:06:41 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> no
0:06:45 [bastard force] <bastard force> except for that lucky topdeck
0:06:46 [bastard force] <bastard force> ******
0:06:48 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> i have tons of cards that win game if i draw
0:06:50 [bastard force] <bastard force> cheating ***** dude
0:06:50 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> okay
0:06:54 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> sore losing noob
0:06:56 [bastard force] <bastard force> cheating *****
0:07:00 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> l2 60 card
0:07:01 [bastard force] <bastard force> stacking yo deck ******
0:07:02 [P-Funk] <P-Funk> sure
0:07:09 [bastard force] <bastard force> eat a **** *******
0:07:10 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
UBRGWControlled from every angle WGRBU
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?b=5886
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Knyght [US] untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Knyght [US] draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Knyght [US] plays Mountain from Hand
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] taps Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] plays Volt Charge from Hand
Vapor's life total is now 3 (-3)
Knyght [US] sacrifices Volt Charge
Knyght [US] puts Chandra's Phoenix into play from Graveyard
Knyght [US] puts Chandra's Phoenix to Hand from Play
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] taps Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] taps Mountain
Knyght [US] plays Chandra's Phoenix from Hand
Shrine of Burning Rage now has 4 (+4) counters.
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Knyght [US] taps Ember Hauler
Knyght [US] taps Goblin Guide
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Ember Hauler
Knyght [US] taps Goblin Guide
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Knyght [US] taps Chandra's Phoenix
Vapor taps Forest
Vapor plays Fog from Hand
<Knyght [US]> k
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
Vapor sacrifices Fog
<Knyght [US]> Pass
It is now turn 16 (Vapor)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Vapor untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Vapor draws a card
Vapor plays Archive Trap from Hand
Knyght [US] puts Lightning Bolt to Graveyard from Library
Vapor taps Drowned Catacomb
Vapor taps Island
Vapor taps Island
Vapor taps Plains
Vapor taps Island
Knyght [US] draws 6 cards
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Teetering Peaks
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Knyght [US] discards Shrine of Burning Rage
Knyght [US] discards Mountain
Vapor sacrifices Archive Trap
Jace, Memory Adept now has 5 (+1) counters.
<Vapor> gg
<Knyght [US]> I don't lose until I have to draw a card.
<Vapor> you have to draw now
<Vapor> you have no cards
<Knyght [US]> Nope.
<Vapor> yes
<Vapor> gg
<Knyght [US]> +1 doesn't target.
<Knyght [US]> Read the card.
<Vapor> target player
<Vapor> read
<Vapor> anyway i win
<Vapor> later
<Knyght [US]> You +1'd, you draw a card, I put the top card of my graveyard into my library, not draw it.
<System> Player Lost
He was at 3 life, was tapped out, and I had 0 cards in my library and could do 7 damage on my upkeep. Sigh. This guy was playing 4-color FogMill...
SELLING A CHAMPS DORAN + LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA + FOIL DARK CONFIDANT
MY TRADE THREAD _/_ ALWAYS OPEN TO TRADING SOMETHING _\_ HAVE A LOOK
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now genghisvan's turn.
It is now the untap step.
genghisvan untaps Ornithopter.
genghisvan untaps Ancient Tomb.
genghisvan untaps Glimmervoid.
genghisvan draws 1 card(s).
genghisvan puts Vault of Whispers into play from hand.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
genghisvan taps Frogmite.
genghisvan taps Ornithopter.
genghisvan sets PT of Ornithopter to 6/2.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Frogmite.
Alarid taps Noble Hierarch.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Cranial Plating.
genghisvan puts Frogmite from table into graveyard.
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage from table into graveyard.
genghisvan sets PT of Ornithopter to 5/2.
genghisvan points from genghisvan's Ornithopter to Alarid.
Alarid: Frogmite survies
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage into play from graveyard.
Alarid points from Alarid's Noble Hierarch to Alarid's Qasali Pridemage.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Cranial Plating.
genghisvan puts Frogmite into play from graveyard.
Alarid: 0 damage
genghisvan puts Ornithopter from table into graveyard.
Alarid points from Alarid's Qasali Pridemage to genghisvan's Frogmite.
Alarid puts Qasali Pridemage from table into graveyard.
Alarid: ...
genghisvan: wit
genghisvan taps Vault of Whispers.
genghisvan taps Vault of Whispers.
Alarid: You (expletive) insulting bastard
Alarid: Do you think that I am that stupid?
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 3/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 4/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 5/2.
genghisvan sets PT of Frogmite to 6/2.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile
Mogg puts Staggershock to RFG from Graveyard
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> shock
Mogg puts Scalding Tarn to RFG from Graveyard
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> no no
<Mogg> shock goes to the graveyard when it resolves
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile
<Mogg> only exiled when rebounded
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> view ard
<Mogg> yes, you too
<Mogg> I cast it from rebound
<Mogg> there's no additional rule
<Mogg> about exiling it after that
<Gasper (BRA-RJ)> exile without playing it mana cost
<Mogg> cast without paying mana cost
<Mogg> here's what happens
<Mogg> first
<System> Player Lost
EDIT: Another one:
My opponent was friendly enough. We had a nice game. I was just amused by what happened after the match ended.
Mogg plays Incinerate from Hand
Mogg taps Mountain
Mogg taps Mountain
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
gg draws a card
<gg> gg
<Mogg> thanks for the match
gg plays Elixir of Immortality from Hand
<System> Player Lost
Elixir of Immortality does not beat RDW.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion
GWRhys the Redeemed
GUKruphix, God of Horizons
GRXenagos, God of Revels
GThrun, the Last Troll
GStompy
Dr. Steve Brule puts Dread Return to RFG from Play
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Grave-Troll into play from Graveyard
Dr. Steve Brule puts Shambling Shell into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Shambling Shell into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Sphinx of Lost Truths into play from Library
<Underoath> Faster
Dr. Steve Brule puts Cabal Therapy into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Street Wraith into play from Library
<Underoath> I would apreciate
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Library
<Dr. Steve Brule> sry
<Dr. Steve Brule> this is it
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Shambling Shell
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Shambling Shell
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Sphinx of Lost Truths
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Cabal Therapy
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Street Wraith
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Golgari Thug
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Grave-Troll into play from Graveyard
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Ichorid into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Chancellor of the Annex into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Narcomoeba into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Dread Return into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule puts Urza's Bauble into play from Library
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Golgari Thug
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Ichorid
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Chancellor of the Annex
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Dread Return
Dr. Steve Brule sacrifices Urza's Bauble
<Underoath> Go play in solo mode then mate
Dr. Steve Brule puts Golgari Thug into play from Graveyard
<Underoath> Cya
<System> Player Lost
Having played probably too much MWS for my own good over the past year, I've gotten very fast and efficient in controlling the game, so that had nothing to do with it. It was just funny to me because the exact turn before, he had individually flipped over ~40 cards in his library to find a Hypergenesis that he was cascading into, and then was complaining about the speed of play while I flipped over ~20 cards while dredging. Also, the fact that he's telling me to play in solo mode when he's bringing Hypergenesis to the table was pretty funny.
<DAFFY> BTW, you might want to stop netdecking, kind of pathetic, no wonder you're not going to the PT =)
And then IMMEDIATELY
<System> Player Lost
...Yeah, I guess I'm not going to the pro tour because I netdecked in a format where there ARE NO NETDECKS. And Martyr totally isn't a netdeck. =)
Rasputin Dreamweaver EDH