So yeah...Guy comes into my Tier-decks-only Extended game with 5 color bounce. He plays 0 spells game 1 and loses. I have no clue what he's playing. Game two, he starts with turn 2 boomerang and turn 3 Grixis Charm. So I scold him for coming into my room with such a janky deck. The result?
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
gastee taps Rhox War Monk
gastee taps Rhox War Monk
<Niv> Thinking
Rhox War Monk is now 4/5
Rhox War Monk is now 5/6
Niv taps Savannah
Mishra's Factory is now Creature Land
Mishra's Factory is now 0/0
Mishra's Factory is now 1/1
Mishra's Factory is now 2/2
Niv taps Taiga
Niv taps Savannah
Nantuko Monastery is now Creature Land
Nantuko Monastery is now 0/0
Nantuko Monastery is now 1/1
Nantuko Monastery is now 2/2
Nantuko Monastery is now 3/3
Nantuko Monastery is now 4/4
gastee taps Savannah
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
gastee plays Swords to Plowshares from Hand
Niv's life total is now 19 (+4)
Niv puts Nantuko Monastery to RFG from Play
gastee puts Swords to Plowshares to Graveyard from Play
gastee's life total is now 29 (+5)
Niv's life total is now 14 (-5)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
<gastee> ...
<gastee> u where gonna block
<Niv> had I drawn the arrows
<gastee> and it does not go on stack
<Niv> you responded to the activation
<gastee> ....
<gastee> u where gonna block
<Niv> patience is a virture
<gastee> being an ass is not
<gastee> good day to you sir
<Niv> you responded before i decladed the blockers
<System> Player Lost
yes... you were right to stand your ground. he had to respond to the activation. As you had yet to declare WHAT you were blocking, the only way he had priority is if he was responding to the activation.
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Grow_conha taps Soltari Priest
Grow_conha taps Serra Avenger
Grow_conha untaps Serra Avenger
It is now turn 13 (Grow_conha)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Niv taps Maze of Ith
Niv's life total is now 10 (-3)
Niv's life total is now 11 (+1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
<Grow_conha> u can't untap serra
<Niv> still prevent's the damage
<Niv> want me to go look up the oracle wording
<System> Player Lost
Grow_conha taps Soltari Priest
Grow_conha taps Serra Avenger
Grow_conha untaps Serra Avenger
It is now turn 13 (Grow_conha)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Niv taps Maze of Ith
Niv's life total is now 10 (-3)
Niv's life total is now 11 (+1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
<Grow_conha> u can't untap serra
<Niv> still prevent's the damage
<Niv> want me to go look up the oracle wording
<System> Player Lost
not my night for playing 43 land
lol, this is like saying you can't untap untapped lands with something like Garruk Wildspeaker :).
I don't see why the word technically has to be brought up in a rules discussion either?
YOU ARE RIGHT. They do not untap, because they are already untapped. However the ability of Garruk still targets the land, still attempts to untap them, and still resolves giving Garruk +1 Loyalty (mainly cause the adding of the loyalty is a cost of the ability).
So in otherwords, IT WORKS.
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If you take 0 damage, you TECHNICALLY got damage, just that the game sees this as no damage being dealt, which is practically the same thing. Same with the untapped lands case.
Ok I just wanted to test a quickie with the decklist in the below link,
and it was real quick:
<New Game: waiting for opponent>
Troll shuffles library
<Troll> eat eat eat
Troll draws 0 cards
Hix360 shuffles library
<Hix360> I am ready.
Hix360 draws 0 cards
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Hix360's Security Code: 4DDAEF34 [Extended]
Troll's Security Code: 22750E62 [Extended]
It is now turn 1 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Hix360> Hi
<Troll> hi
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
Troll rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
<Hix360> I Play
Troll shuffles library
Hix360 draws 7 cards
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
<Hix360> Keep
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
Troll takes a mulligan
<Troll> kp
Hix360 plays Island from Hand
<Hix360> End my turn
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Swamp from Hand
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Wound Reflection
Hix360 reveals a Magister Sphinx
Hix360 reveals a Gemstone Mine
Hix360 reveals a Oblivion Ring
<Troll> vioent
Hix360 discards Violent Outburst
<Troll> outbutrst
Troll puts Duress to Graveyard from Play
Hix360 hides card in hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
<Troll> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Hix360 draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Hix360 plays Gemstone Mine from Hand
Gemstone Mine now has 3 (+3) counters.
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Hix360> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Blood Crypt from Hand
Troll taps Blood Crypt
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
<Hix360> I said Serious Decks Only. I'm taking this as a win.
<System> Player Lost
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Ouch. Hix, that knocked you down a few pegs in my book. His deck wasn't serious because he played 2 Duress and took your best spells and that hurt your feelings?
And your "I'm taking this as a win" is just really annoying and I hate people who do that.
I'm starting to understand a few of the comments I read earlier.
Ok I just wanted to test a quickie with the decklist in the below link,
and it was real quick:
<New Game: waiting for opponent>
Troll shuffles library
<Troll> eat eat eat
Troll draws 0 cards
Hix360 shuffles library
<Hix360> I am ready.
Hix360 draws 0 cards
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Hix360's Security Code: 4DDAEF34 [Extended]
Troll's Security Code: 22750E62 [Extended]
It is now turn 1 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Hix360> Hi
<Troll> hi
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
Troll rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
<Hix360> I Play
Troll shuffles library
Hix360 draws 7 cards
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
<Hix360> Keep
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
Troll takes a mulligan
<Troll> kp
Hix360 plays Island from Hand
<Hix360> End my turn
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Swamp from Hand
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Wound Reflection
Hix360 reveals a Magister Sphinx
Hix360 reveals a Gemstone Mine
Hix360 reveals a Oblivion Ring
<Troll> vioent
Hix360 discards Violent Outburst
<Troll> outbutrst
Troll puts Duress to Graveyard from Play
Hix360 hides card in hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
<Troll> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Hix360 draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Hix360 plays Gemstone Mine from Hand
Gemstone Mine now has 3 (+3) counters.
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Hix360> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Blood Crypt from Hand
Troll taps Blood Crypt
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
<Hix360> I said Serious Decks Only. I'm taking this as a win.
<System> Player Lost
If you take 0 damage, you TECHNICALLY got damage, just that the game sees this as no damage being dealt, which is practically the same thing. Same with the untapped lands case.
This is correct. I know this for a fact because a Birds of Paradise that's equipped with a counter-less Umezawa's Jitte will not get counters if BoP attacks.
apparently I'm a waste (of what, I do not know)
anyways, I just started looking into Legacy/Vintage today (I wasnt aware of what blocks were legal and how the format worked, then came to realize its basically everything) So I decided to take the idea for a T2 I had and make a random legacy deck.
This was my first test and I wanted to SB for game 2 but my opponent thought it would be...well just read
<Vermillion> gg
<Vermillion> g2?
<elprofethrax> gg
<elprofethrax> sure, but no sb plz, haven't done it yet
<elprofethrax> Ok?
<Vermillion> why should I avoid using my SB because you dont have one?
<Vermillion> that seems pretty one sided
<Vermillion> considering im still testing and just made this deck 5 minutes ago
<elprofethrax> i'm just asking you, i haven't constructed my own sideboard, so i find a little unfair that one players uses sb and the other can't, thats one-sided to my point o view
<elprofethrax> i also made the deck little ago
<Vermillion> well im using my SB
<Vermillion> sooooo
<elprofethrax> what a waste
<System> Player Lost
how is it one sided and unfair that he hasn't made a sideboard?
plenty of people dont make them, and plenty of people just havent made them yet, so why I shouldn't I be able to SB in my relics (He was using a netdeck recurring nightmare reanimator, I at least had the decency to throw together a ******** deck from scratch.
but he quit so it doesnt matter.
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Good shizz as always Hix360 :).
gastee taps Rhox War Monk
gastee taps Rhox War Monk
<Niv> Thinking
Rhox War Monk is now 4/5
Rhox War Monk is now 5/6
Niv taps Savannah
Mishra's Factory is now Creature Land
Mishra's Factory is now 0/0
Mishra's Factory is now 1/1
Mishra's Factory is now 2/2
Niv taps Taiga
Niv taps Savannah
Nantuko Monastery is now Creature Land
Nantuko Monastery is now 0/0
Nantuko Monastery is now 1/1
Nantuko Monastery is now 2/2
Nantuko Monastery is now 3/3
Nantuko Monastery is now 4/4
gastee taps Savannah
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
gastee plays Swords to Plowshares from Hand
Niv's life total is now 19 (+4)
Niv puts Nantuko Monastery to RFG from Play
gastee puts Swords to Plowshares to Graveyard from Play
gastee's life total is now 29 (+5)
Niv's life total is now 14 (-5)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
<gastee> ...
<gastee> u where gonna block
<Niv> had I drawn the arrows
<gastee> and it does not go on stack
<Niv> you responded to the activation
<gastee> ....
<gastee> u where gonna block
<Niv> patience is a virture
<gastee> being an ass is not
<gastee> good day to you sir
<Niv> you responded before i decladed the blockers
<System> Player Lost
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Grow_conha taps Serra Avenger
Grow_conha untaps Serra Avenger
It is now turn 13 (Grow_conha)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Niv taps Maze of Ith
Niv's life total is now 10 (-3)
Niv's life total is now 11 (+1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
<Grow_conha> u can't untap serra
<Niv> still prevent's the damage
<Niv> want me to go look up the oracle wording
<System> Player Lost
not my night for playing 43 land
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lol, this is like saying you can't untap untapped lands with something like Garruk Wildspeaker :).
Well, you can't.
... Yes, you can. Garruk only targetting restriction is "lands." It doesn't say "Untap two target tapped lands."
I know that, you still can't untap them.
Well technically the ability resolves and it does untap them, this just has no noticeable effect on the gamestate.
I don't see why the word technically has to be brought up in a rules discussion either?
YOU ARE RIGHT. They do not untap, because they are already untapped. However the ability of Garruk still targets the land, still attempts to untap them, and still resolves giving Garruk +1 Loyalty (mainly cause the adding of the loyalty is a cost of the ability).
So in otherwords, IT WORKS.
Duh.:D
I like 4/4s for 7.
and it was real quick:
Troll shuffles library
<Troll> eat eat eat
Troll draws 0 cards
Hix360 shuffles library
<Hix360> I am ready.
Hix360 draws 0 cards
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Hix360's Security Code: 4DDAEF34 [Extended]
Troll's Security Code: 22750E62 [Extended]
It is now turn 1 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Hix360> Hi
<Troll> hi
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
Troll rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
<Hix360> I Play
Troll shuffles library
Hix360 draws 7 cards
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
Troll draws a card
<Hix360> Keep
Troll shuffles library
Troll shuffles library
Troll takes a mulligan
<Troll> kp
Hix360 plays Island from Hand
<Hix360> End my turn
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Swamp from Hand
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Violent Outburst
Hix360 reveals a Wound Reflection
Hix360 reveals a Magister Sphinx
Hix360 reveals a Gemstone Mine
Hix360 reveals a Oblivion Ring
<Troll> vioent
Hix360 discards Violent Outburst
<Troll> outbutrst
Troll puts Duress to Graveyard from Play
Hix360 hides card in hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
Hix360 hides card in hand
<Troll> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (Hix360)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Hix360 untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Hix360 draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Hix360 plays Gemstone Mine from Hand
Gemstone Mine now has 3 (+3) counters.
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Hix360> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Troll)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Troll untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Troll draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Troll plays Blood Crypt from Hand
Troll taps Blood Crypt
Troll taps Swamp
Troll plays Duress from Hand
<Hix360> I said Serious Decks Only. I'm taking this as a win.
<System> Player Lost
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And your "I'm taking this as a win" is just really annoying and I hate people who do that.
I'm starting to understand a few of the comments I read earlier.
So I'm totally not surprised. At all.
Though it is quite strange for him to say serious decks only and play some weird version of Cascade Hypergenesis or something like that...
This isn't true either!
This is correct. I know this for a fact because a Birds of Paradise that's equipped with a counter-less Umezawa's Jitte will not get counters if BoP attacks.
anyways, I just started looking into Legacy/Vintage today (I wasnt aware of what blocks were legal and how the format worked, then came to realize its basically everything) So I decided to take the idea for a T2 I had and make a random legacy deck.
This was my first test and I wanted to SB for game 2 but my opponent thought it would be...well just read
<Vermillion> g2?
<elprofethrax> gg
<elprofethrax> sure, but no sb plz, haven't done it yet
<elprofethrax> Ok?
<Vermillion> why should I avoid using my SB because you dont have one?
<Vermillion> that seems pretty one sided
<Vermillion> considering im still testing and just made this deck 5 minutes ago
<elprofethrax> i'm just asking you, i haven't constructed my own sideboard, so i find a little unfair that one players uses sb and the other can't, thats one-sided to my point o view
<elprofethrax> i also made the deck little ago
<Vermillion> well im using my SB
<Vermillion> sooooo
<elprofethrax> what a waste
how is it one sided and unfair that he hasn't made a sideboard?
plenty of people dont make them, and plenty of people just havent made them yet, so why I shouldn't I be able to SB in my relics (He was using a netdeck recurring nightmare reanimator, I at least had the decency to throw together a ******** deck from scratch.
but he quit so it doesnt matter.
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