Cringe-worthy, yes. But you gotta admit it was kind of funny, no? If Wizards ever goes this route, and that better be a BIG IF, it wouldn't suprise me if they pushed their golden boy and their...poster girl? together.
And TPF was romantic?
His gaze dropped, and his dark lashes lowered. Chandra had a feeling he was staring at her lips. She licked them, and she felt the grip on her arm tighten ever so slightly. It wasn't the only thing that got tighter.
It's more borderline erotic than romantic, but I guess that's subjective. BTW, do we know how much of the Diraden arc the editors messed around with? I kinda want to know who wrote this cheese
Oh, I didn't know they were pushing Liliana more than Chandra. I just know Jace is at the top of that list at the moment.
Unless you're talking about who should be with who? In which case I'll just leave that to trashy fanfics
It seems liek they are actually setting it up to be a threeway lvoe interest but who knows. Right now chandra and Jace are th emost prominant with Lilliana right behind Chandra(when you take into consideration card art, book placement and comic book placement). I think both women are pretty equally the modern day Gerrards while Jace is Urza(meaning how they are featured into the overall story).
Nah, the Gerrard/Hanna romance was pretty lame. Mirri's inclusion was at least interesting, but that's about it.
Other stupid romance: Glissa/Kain. Glissa is very specific about mentioning that she only thinks of him as a friend and co-worker. Then, after the **** hits the fan she decides (150 pages later) that she's madly in love with him. That lasts about three pages before he gets his armed ripped off. The author was either trying to show that you shouldn't delay what your heart is telling you to do (odd in that Glissa's heart just started telling her she cared about Kain); or it was meant to illustrate how sudden tragedy can strike (in which case, who cares, he was only a minor footnote character anyway). In either case, Mirrodin maintains its world-renowned level of fail.
Other crappy romance: Teferi/Jhoira/Venser/Jodah. Honestly, it's like McGough just felt the need to include some form of romance into the book, needless as it was to the plot. Teferi has a crush on Jhoira, but she's way beyond that (and well into uber-nagger territory; maybe a poor representation of the relationship Barrin had with Urza). Venser has a mega-crush on Jhoira, but she is either unaware or just doesn't care. Tension is introduced when Jodah enters the mix and Venser notices Jhoira warming up to him. This goes absolutely nowhere until the very last chapter of the book, any romance in which was horribly overshadowed by the "is he the real Jodah" bit. So we went from an old romance that's boring, to an attempt to strike a new romance that's boring, to the kindling of a one-night stand that's boring. Honestly, a building could've fallen on all four of these characters and probably increased the enjoyment I got out of this trilogy.
Wait, forgot another good romance: Xantcha/Ratepe. It's kind of odd when the romance between a guy who is hired because he looks like your boss's dead brother and an asexual vat-grown human clone is FAR more interesting than other romances in the series. The fact that Abbey made me actually interested in this relationship is completely astounding and a credit to her skills as a writer.
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Everything in the beginning was better, including relationships. I loved the Xantcha/Retepe relationship. It was an interesting way for them tog o and written really well.
I also liked Kayla and Urza's relationship, or lack there of. Throw Tawnos into it and it is even more interesting. Plus Mishra got involved too at one point didn't he(horrible memory)?
Then there is the Jaya/Jodah are they aren't they? Again it was interesting and didn't take up much of the story, just enough.
Then my favorite relationship Yawgmoth and Rebbecc and Glacian. I loved that Rebbecc denied Yawgmoth and after thousands of years Yawgmoth believed Gaia to be Rebbecc. It was one of the only things I truly liked in the Apocalypse book.
Oh, yeah, Mishra was definitely thrown in there! To the point where it became entirely possible that Harbin wasn't Urza's son, but Mishra's. I heart Jeff Grubb bunches.
Jodah/Jaya didn't really have much of a relationship. It was strictly platonic. I think after Sima's death, Jodah pretty much put relationships on the backburner. It's just too painful being ageless and having to watch the person you care about die.
But, yes, the Glacian/Rebbec/Yawgmoth triangle was also another VERY good one. It was fun seeing which one would **** (figuratively! and, yeah, literally) the next one over. At least Rebbec finally won in that one ... until 9000 years later, I suppose.
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Didnt Akroma and Phage have a little lezzie thing going on???
All jokes aside though, was there any records of a main character having children with another main character? The closest thing I could think of is the Umezawa lineage, but who did Toshiro procreate with?
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Didnt Akroma and Phage have a little lezzie thing going on???
All jokes aside though, was there any records of a main character having children with another main character? The closest thing I could think of is the Umezawa lineage, but who did Toshiro procreate with?
But Magic books pretty much revolve around pretty shallow plots filled with lots and lots of magical action scenes.
Shallow? Not all the time. The Brother's War, the Kamigawa cycle, and almost everything written by J Robert King--though extraordinarily violent--were not shallow.
Love him or hate him (I, personally, thought he was brilliant), you must at least acknowledge that King's books have more substance than most other Magic novels.
To me, the Kiku/Toshi thing was very tacked on--and the author's excuse was "she was drunk." The only Magic romance that was remotely interesting to me was the Urza/Kayla/Mishra triangle (with Tawnos thrown in for good measure).
I liked this pairing. I saw a possible romance from their encounter in Outlaw, and by Heretic I was sure it would lead to at least something. The love scene in Guardian did not surprise me at all. They weren't in love, for sure, but they had this fling. I loved Kiku's love/hate attitude toward Toshi. X D
The Brothers' War is one of the few examples in Magic literature of a plot that can't be given justice in one or two sentences. The Kamigawa Cycle is no exception: Mortals have angered the spirit world and caused a war which only the child of the emperor can end. Wow. I liked the Kamigawa Cycle, but it's not exactly Crime and Punishment is it?
As for King: Yeah, I could pretty easily make a case for his books being shallow. Both of his trilogies are very thin on plot with tons of action thrown in for filler. Now couple that with so much ****ing melodrama and you've got a King trilogy.
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The Brothers' War is one of the few examples in Magic literature of a plot that can't be given justice in one or two sentences. The Kamigawa Cycle is no exception: Mortals have angered the spirit world and caused a war which only the child of the emperor can end. Wow. I liked the Kamigawa Cycle, but it's not exactly Crime and Punishment is it?
As for King: Yeah, I could pretty easily make a case for his books being shallow. Both of his trilogies are very thin on plot with tons of action thrown in for filler. Now couple that with so much ****ing melodrama and you've got a King trilogy.
Two brothers become enstranged, and rise to power in different cultures. They become embroiled in a continent wide war which pits them against each other despite their personal feelings.
Love him or hate him (I, personally, thought he was brilliant), you must at least acknowledge that King's books have more substance than most other Magic novels.
Which isn't really that difficult, especially considering some of the poor excuses for novels they've got right now. Saying King was one of the best MTG writers is like saying he's the best at coloring in the lines. Writing a mediocre fantasy book is not hard, as demonstrated by Twilight, Eregon, innumerable WoW and DnD related books, among others. The fact that a writer for MTG can fail at it given the massive amount of flavor and lore behind the series currently, is actually quite a feat IMO.
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Two brothers become enstranged, and rise to power in different cultures. They become embroiled in a continent wide war which pits them against each other despite their personal feelings.
Point: Barinellos.
I kind of like the fact that magic books aren't that in depth. I'm an english major studying to be an english teacher, magic is my relaxation time. Sure i'd like one or two magic books with crazy plots, but not al of them.
Two brothers become enstranged, and rise to power in different cultures. They become embroiled in a continent wide war which pits them against each other despite their personal feelings.
That's why I included the phrase "can't be given justice" in the first sentence of my last post. You can't give the book justice by giving it a plot blurb. You could explain the plot of One Hundred Years of Solitude in two sentences fairly easily, but you definitely aren't doing the book justice.
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That's why I included the phrase "can't be given justice" in the first sentence of my last post. You can't give the book justice by giving it a plot blurb. You could explain the plot of One Hundred Years of Solitude in two sentences fairly easily, but you definitely aren't doing the book justice.
Alright, I'll give you that since you did say "one of the few" because there really were several others that were in the same boat.
Of course, while thinking of this I came up with the best plot summary of Dissension: "Guildpact breaks, sh*t gets real."
Alright, I'll give you that since you did say "one of the few" because there really were several others that were in the same boat.
Of course, while thinking of this I came up with the best plot summary of Dissension: "Guildpact breaks, sh*t gets real."
No disagreement there. There are a few Magic books that are more "mature" in that they really employ literary techniques in ways that LOTS of them don't. The Gathering Dark is a good example, I think: "Jodah learns to use magic but finds that some magic-users want to abuse his phenomenal talent for future gain." There's a hell of a lot more there.
But Guildpact is a good example of one that, honestly, there's not much there besides the excellent summary you gave.
Edit: Hmm. Just realized that you could substitute "Jace" for "Jodah" in my TGD blurb and pretty much get a blurb for Agents of Artifice. But I think the same "there's more to than that" would apply to that book as well.
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[2]Don't ever compare Magic To Dragonball their no were near coming close.
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No disagreement there. There are a few Magic books that are more "mature" in that they really employ literary techniques in ways that LOTS of them don't. The Gathering Dark is a good example, I think: "Jodah learns to use magic but finds that some magic-users want to abuse his phenomenal talent for future gain." There's a hell of a lot more there.
But Guildpact is a good example of one that, honestly, there's not much there besides the excellent summary you gave.
Edit: Hmm. Just realized that you could substitute "Jace" for "Jodah" in my TGD blurb and pretty much get a blurb for Agents of Artifice. But I think the same "there's more to than that" would apply to that book as well.
The Ice Age cycle in general was excellent, though Shattered Alliances really was kind of the Dissension of that cycle.
Guildpact... I kinda feel is somewhere between the two extremes of Ravnica and Dissension in that regard. Ravnica was definitely one of the books that couldn't be summed up and given justice.
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this made me cringe.
Cringe-worthy, yes. But you gotta admit it was kind of funny, no? If Wizards ever goes this route, and that better be a BIG IF, it wouldn't suprise me if they pushed their golden boy and their...poster girl? together.
And TPF was romantic?
It's more borderline erotic than romantic, but I guess that's subjective. BTW, do we know how much of the Diraden arc the editors messed around with? I kinda want to know who wrote this cheese
Unless you're talking about who should be with who? In which case I'll just leave that to trashy fanfics
It seems liek they are actually setting it up to be a threeway lvoe interest but who knows. Right now chandra and Jace are th emost prominant with Lilliana right behind Chandra(when you take into consideration card art, book placement and comic book placement). I think both women are pretty equally the modern day Gerrards while Jace is Urza(meaning how they are featured into the overall story).
Other stupid romance: Glissa/Kain. Glissa is very specific about mentioning that she only thinks of him as a friend and co-worker. Then, after the **** hits the fan she decides (150 pages later) that she's madly in love with him. That lasts about three pages before he gets his armed ripped off. The author was either trying to show that you shouldn't delay what your heart is telling you to do (odd in that Glissa's heart just started telling her she cared about Kain); or it was meant to illustrate how sudden tragedy can strike (in which case, who cares, he was only a minor footnote character anyway). In either case, Mirrodin maintains its world-renowned level of fail.
Other crappy romance: Teferi/Jhoira/Venser/Jodah. Honestly, it's like McGough just felt the need to include some form of romance into the book, needless as it was to the plot. Teferi has a crush on Jhoira, but she's way beyond that (and well into uber-nagger territory; maybe a poor representation of the relationship Barrin had with Urza). Venser has a mega-crush on Jhoira, but she is either unaware or just doesn't care. Tension is introduced when Jodah enters the mix and Venser notices Jhoira warming up to him. This goes absolutely nowhere until the very last chapter of the book, any romance in which was horribly overshadowed by the "is he the real Jodah" bit. So we went from an old romance that's boring, to an attempt to strike a new romance that's boring, to the kindling of a one-night stand that's boring. Honestly, a building could've fallen on all four of these characters and probably increased the enjoyment I got out of this trilogy.
Wait, forgot another good romance: Xantcha/Ratepe. It's kind of odd when the romance between a guy who is hired because he looks like your boss's dead brother and an asexual vat-grown human clone is FAR more interesting than other romances in the series. The fact that Abbey made me actually interested in this relationship is completely astounding and a credit to her skills as a writer.
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I also liked Kayla and Urza's relationship, or lack there of. Throw Tawnos into it and it is even more interesting. Plus Mishra got involved too at one point didn't he(horrible memory)?
Then there is the Jaya/Jodah are they aren't they? Again it was interesting and didn't take up much of the story, just enough.
Then my favorite relationship Yawgmoth and Rebbecc and Glacian. I loved that Rebbecc denied Yawgmoth and after thousands of years Yawgmoth believed Gaia to be Rebbecc. It was one of the only things I truly liked in the Apocalypse book.
Jodah/Jaya didn't really have much of a relationship. It was strictly platonic. I think after Sima's death, Jodah pretty much put relationships on the backburner. It's just too painful being ageless and having to watch the person you care about die.
But, yes, the Glacian/Rebbec/Yawgmoth triangle was also another VERY good one. It was fun seeing which one would **** (figuratively! and, yeah, literally) the next one over. At least Rebbec finally won in that one ... until 9000 years later, I suppose.
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All jokes aside though, was there any records of a main character having children with another main character? The closest thing I could think of is the Umezawa lineage, but who did Toshiro procreate with?
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Toshiro's spouse was never revealed.
Examples of main characters that had children:
Urza (or Mishra) + Kayla bin-Kroog = Harbin
Barrin + Rayne = Hanna
Cabal Patriarch + Phage = Kuberr
Jarad + Fonn Zunich = Myczil Zunich
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Shallow? Not all the time. The Brother's War, the Kamigawa cycle, and almost everything written by J Robert King--though extraordinarily violent--were not shallow.
Love him or hate him (I, personally, thought he was brilliant), you must at least acknowledge that King's books have more substance than most other Magic novels.
I liked this pairing. I saw a possible romance from their encounter in Outlaw, and by Heretic I was sure it would lead to at least something. The love scene in Guardian did not surprise me at all. They weren't in love, for sure, but they had this fling. I loved Kiku's love/hate attitude toward Toshi. X D
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As for King: Yeah, I could pretty easily make a case for his books being shallow. Both of his trilogies are very thin on plot with tons of action thrown in for filler. Now couple that with so much ****ing melodrama and you've got a King trilogy.
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Which isn't really that difficult, especially considering some of the poor excuses for novels they've got right now. Saying King was one of the best MTG writers is like saying he's the best at coloring in the lines. Writing a mediocre fantasy book is not hard, as demonstrated by Twilight, Eregon, innumerable WoW and DnD related books, among others. The fact that a writer for MTG can fail at it given the massive amount of flavor and lore behind the series currently, is actually quite a feat IMO.
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Point: Barinellos.
I kind of like the fact that magic books aren't that in depth. I'm an english major studying to be an english teacher, magic is my relaxation time. Sure i'd like one or two magic books with crazy plots, but not al of them.
That's why I included the phrase "can't be given justice" in the first sentence of my last post. You can't give the book justice by giving it a plot blurb. You could explain the plot of One Hundred Years of Solitude in two sentences fairly easily, but you definitely aren't doing the book justice.
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Alright, I'll give you that since you did say "one of the few" because there really were several others that were in the same boat.
Of course, while thinking of this I came up with the best plot summary of Dissension: "Guildpact breaks, sh*t gets real."
Wow. Now I feel like I've read Dissension. Thanks Barinellos ^^
No disagreement there. There are a few Magic books that are more "mature" in that they really employ literary techniques in ways that LOTS of them don't. The Gathering Dark is a good example, I think: "Jodah learns to use magic but finds that some magic-users want to abuse his phenomenal talent for future gain." There's a hell of a lot more there.
But Guildpact is a good example of one that, honestly, there's not much there besides the excellent summary you gave.
Edit: Hmm. Just realized that you could substitute "Jace" for "Jodah" in my TGD blurb and pretty much get a blurb for Agents of Artifice. But I think the same "there's more to than that" would apply to that book as well.
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The Ice Age cycle in general was excellent, though Shattered Alliances really was kind of the Dissension of that cycle.
Guildpact... I kinda feel is somewhere between the two extremes of Ravnica and Dissension in that regard. Ravnica was definitely one of the books that couldn't be summed up and given justice.