I see your burning tree emissaries. I play a supreme verdict. Congratulations, you just got lots-for-1'd and have almost no cards in hand.
Standard is fine. BTE is good, but it isn't the "End of standard". When Jund was around and 8-year-olds were regularly making Day 2 of a GP, that was when Standard was in trouble. It survived that, it'll survive this.
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Quotes from gaming:
From a discussion about skipping town and fleeing from the law:
"Quick, torch the legal system and run!" said no one, ever.
While trying to ambush a creature who favored grabbing and strangling PCs:
"Ok, so Tieflings are resistant to fire, right?" "Right" "Alright, so I light myself on fire so he can't grab me."
Really, that is just one deck. Some of the tier one decks in standard right now are some of the most skill-intensive decks in standard in recent years. Esper Control and UWR Flash are extremely hard to play and require a huge amount of skill to play. Sure, there are brain-dead aggro decks that require absolutely no skill to play, but when you play the skill-intensive decks correctly, you will probably win.
I played against a deck with the emissary in it this past FNM. It wasn't even a close match. G1, he laid out 3 emissary on t2, and I followed up with a detenion sphere. Second game, I had a verdict. The card is no more backbreaking than an other card, and less so than something like reckoner or GoST
I mean, the whole point of that deck is to dump it's hand on the field, which leads to them massively overextending. You board wipe and they are back to square 1 with an empty hand.
Valarin is right on the money with this one. Great card to be sure, but as far as standard killing.. Hard to take this post seriously with the major qq factor.
and this made me lol for real
oh noesssss....whatever shall we do? Your $400 deck got trumped by an uncommon, you mad bro?
The Game Day at my shop was won with one of these decks. Kid switched from yu gi oh 7 days ago.
I've heard quite a lot of stories about yugioh players picking up magic and immediately making killer decks or showing an uncommonly high skill level. Don't underestimate someone just because he used to play a different game. Card evaluation and deck building skills are definitely transferable. Is your opponent crapping out their whole hand and swinging for a quick win annoying? Certainly. But its also effective, and the fact that they used to play a different game doesn't change that.
I think the complaint is that it used to be possible to fight back against these insane draws, whether it was with Force Spike, or Pyroclasm, or Path, or whatever. Now you have to draw actual Supreme Judgment and try to stabilize at 2 -- if you even have time for that.
That said, I don't think this complaint makes too much sense. When your opponent goes Ritual, Ritual, Hatred on turn 2 on the play, you lose even if you have Force Spike. How is that any better?
Pull 7 cards and race. Turning creatures sideways for 4 turns is awful.
No Skill!
No Fun!
Not Magic!
What about a mirror match?? Just luck of the draw. Certainly ZERO skill.
The Game Day at my shop was won with one of these decks. Kid switched from yu gi oh 7 days ago.
Even a GP was won with this lame sauce.
Chime in when you have seen enough of this at FNM or MODO.
You know, as much as I want to rail, I have to admit that there is some margin of truth to this. Frog-in-a-Blender nut draws are challenging to deal with for most decks, and it is a deck that can grant wins to less talented players. I can attest to this as my son is running a less all-in version of the deck right now, and he honestly is not a very deep strategist at this point. He's beaten at one time or another most of the top players in my LGS with the deck.
That being said, the deck does not run well on no skill. You have to understand how to mulligan aggressively and know when to not overextend. You also have to know how to play around instant-speed removal in order to keep from losing your enchantments due to having dudes shot out from under them. It is a deck that doesn't allow other decks to stumble, but it is not auto-win.
Making good decks is hard. Not surprised to see people want to shortcut the process entirely and just play a good deck. Takes some of the frustration out of losing to having an inferior strategy.
Does add some frustration when your tier 1 deck loses to a pile of random.
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It is fine to have beliefs. It is idiotic to think that they are in any way significant.
Standard may not be dead but i dunno how anyone can argue that decks like that are complicated/skill intensive/interesting. Deck's dumb. I dont know if its good or bad for the format but it isnt exactly the definition of an interactive deck.
You play your dudes, hope they dont have a wipe and try to do some math in your head to see whether you really need to play that last creature in your hand in case they do have a DOJ. Woopty do. Although i kind of feel that way against most of the decks in the format right now.
I see your burning tree emissaries. I play a supreme verdict. Congratulations, you just got lots-for-1'd and have almost no cards in hand.
Standard is fine. BTE is good, but it isn't the "End of standard". When Jund was around and 8-year-olds were regularly making Day 2 of a GP, that was when Standard was in trouble. It survived that, it'll survive this.
I'm sorry CawBlade standard was a much worse time then Jund ever was. At least in Jund standard there were different lists, sideboard included, no 2 were the same and there was never a best deck. CawBlade was such a boring and remedial standard that it forced bannings. In fact I had this very conversation at Game Day earlier today and nearly slapped a guy in the face on principal for saying CawBlade standard was fun and required any skill level and that Jace TMS could and should be un-banned in Modern.
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No skill with these decks. Just luck.
Pull 7 cards and race. Turning creatures sideways for 4 turns is awful.
No Skill!
No Fun!
Not Magic!
What about a mirror match?? Just luck of the draw. Certainly ZERO skill.
The Game Day at my shop was won with one of these decks. Kid switched from yu gi oh 7 days ago.
Even a GP was won with this lame sauce.
Chime in when you have seen enough of this at FNM or MODO.
Standard is alive, well, and far more diverse than its been in a long time.
BEtched Champion/InfectB
WSoilders/knightsW
WUVenser SplicerWU
RRDWR
GFeed the Pack comboG
WUPool of ExhaustionWU
EDH
GEzuri, Elf OverrunG
BGeth, GraverobberB
UThada Adel, ThiefU
RUrabrask, Big RedR
WElesh Norn, CrusadeW
WUGAngus Makenzie, Bant ControlWUG
Extended
WGElvesWG
Legacy
RGoblinsR
UBGFariesUBG
UBGRaffinityUBG
Standard is fine. BTE is good, but it isn't the "End of standard". When Jund was around and 8-year-olds were regularly making Day 2 of a GP, that was when Standard was in trouble. It survived that, it'll survive this.
From a discussion about skipping town and fleeing from the law:
While trying to ambush a creature who favored grabbing and strangling PCs:
BTE far from the most OP card in the format, there's snappy, st. geist, obzedat, thrag, resto angel, just to name a few.
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Nope. Just don't want to be bored online or at FNM.
I see the U/W cards doing their job but you better have them and at the right time.
Look at turn tree on the play at the GP Semi-Finals. Done. No response.
No turn three for the opponent. No Detention Sphere for you. No Wrath either.
Then you have stall spells like Blustersquall or Aetherize or Sphere of Safety or Cyclonic rift or Fog
I mean, the whole point of that deck is to dump it's hand on the field, which leads to them massively overextending. You board wipe and they are back to square 1 with an empty hand.
and this made me lol for real
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This.
He's complaining about a deck drawing 3 of one card when any deck running uw just needs to draw a single supreme or sphere.
Any efficient card is going to be an issue if you draw the majority of your copies in your opener.
Remember Kuldotha red from scars-zen standard? Just because it was capable of a t2 win doesn't mean it was good. It was the worst deck in the format.
I've heard quite a lot of stories about yugioh players picking up magic and immediately making killer decks or showing an uncommonly high skill level. Don't underestimate someone just because he used to play a different game. Card evaluation and deck building skills are definitely transferable. Is your opponent crapping out their whole hand and swinging for a quick win annoying? Certainly. But its also effective, and the fact that they used to play a different game doesn't change that.
That said, I don't think this complaint makes too much sense. When your opponent goes Ritual, Ritual, Hatred on turn 2 on the play, you lose even if you have Force Spike. How is that any better?
You know, as much as I want to rail, I have to admit that there is some margin of truth to this. Frog-in-a-Blender nut draws are challenging to deal with for most decks, and it is a deck that can grant wins to less talented players. I can attest to this as my son is running a less all-in version of the deck right now, and he honestly is not a very deep strategist at this point. He's beaten at one time or another most of the top players in my LGS with the deck.
That being said, the deck does not run well on no skill. You have to understand how to mulligan aggressively and know when to not overextend. You also have to know how to play around instant-speed removal in order to keep from losing your enchantments due to having dudes shot out from under them. It is a deck that doesn't allow other decks to stumble, but it is not auto-win.
I tried that deck.
Nut draw, you won.
Anything else, you lost.
To much of one thing is boring.
I play to have fun.
Not watch someone else goldfish or see the same thing all the time.
With so many cards there should be lots of variety.
Hopefully people will just get bored and that will have some effect.
MTG is super popular though.
The internet spreads the information instantly. There is the SCG and CFB factor that followers pick up their HEROs decks and play them ad nauseum.
I see it all the time. Get on modo right after the PT and you can't play against anything but the top 8 decks.
Gerry T and Brad N put out the a video and those decks are all over the place in minutes.
Does add some frustration when your tier 1 deck loses to a pile of random.
You play your dudes, hope they dont have a wipe and try to do some math in your head to see whether you really need to play that last creature in your hand in case they do have a DOJ. Woopty do. Although i kind of feel that way against most of the decks in the format right now.
I'm sorry CawBlade standard was a much worse time then Jund ever was. At least in Jund standard there were different lists, sideboard included, no 2 were the same and there was never a best deck. CawBlade was such a boring and remedial standard that it forced bannings. In fact I had this very conversation at Game Day earlier today and nearly slapped a guy in the face on principal for saying CawBlade standard was fun and required any skill level and that Jace TMS could and should be un-banned in Modern.