@OP-You are being a bit hard on yourself. First it was a free FNM, second you made the mistake. Think of it as a learning experience and move on. If you are not having fun playing at the FNM level, maybe you should take a step back and play other formats less competitive. On a side note, you handled it way better then 90% of the players in my LGS except maybe leaving the deck, but we dont know if anyone close to you (a friend) was around to watch the cards when you got up.
@Hoodoo-Its an FNM, you need to lighten up a bit. Its free and entry level competitive. I can fully understand if you had paid money to play for a nice prize, but not at a free FNM.
I kinda laughed at the situation, because i was somewhat in the same boat. Ive sold my collection twice now, and re-bought it back from my friend. I was at FNM about a month ago, my first round, i got told by the store manager "dont flip out with this dude, just let it go if you lose, its not a big deal, he's an ass straight out" I replied " Why do you allow him here then?" He said "he's a player like the rest of us, he's just really agressive."
At the end of the match, i knew i was no match for his deck, (this was a booster draft btw) . He had stuff that just blew me out of the water. It was completley out of luck.
He got up at the end of the match, and screamed "I won you tard, lemme take the next easy nutcase" I said only a couple words, "up yours you poor sported *insert immagination*" Apparantly the store manager said i took it better then most other people. I think those types of players have to go.
Whatever you do, if you quit playing, dont sell out. Chances are it will blow over, and you'll want to play again.
What I'm amused at is that you left a BORROWED deck out on the table and walked around for six blocks, leaving your cards out with a bunch of strangers.
Isn't that a bigger "mistake" than an in-game one?
You're lucky that no one swiped your friend's deck. You sound like a very contemptible individual, one of those magic players who thinks that they're better than other people just for being good at a card game. (Except I guess you aren't since you went 2-2.)
You're probably doing everyone at that shop a favor by never going back. If you do decide to play magic again, treat your opponents and your borrowed cards better.
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@OP-You are being a bit hard on yourself. First it was a free FNM, second you made the mistake. Think of it as a learning experience and move on. If you are not having fun playing at the FNM level, maybe you should take a step back and play other formats less competitive. On a side note, you handled it way better then 90% of the players in my LGS except maybe leaving the deck, but we dont know if anyone close to you (a friend) was around to watch the cards when you got up.
@Hoodoo-Its an FNM, you need to lighten up a bit. Its free and entry level competitive. I can fully understand if you had paid money to play for a nice prize, but not at a free FNM.
Our FNM is a $5 entry fee but it all goes to the pot for the prizes.
FNM or not is no excuse to let sloppy play go, and as I said before you nicely bring it up AFTER the match to help them grow and maybe help them on their next match.
If they get carried through out games, they will expect it every time they play and there is no excuse for that.
The ONLY one with a bad attitude in this story was the op, the people he ran out crying on even were nice and civil to him when he passed them on his way back.
There is teaching and helping someone, and there is carrying someone and enabling them.
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If I'm playing poker and make a bad bet, I cut my losses and move on. It would be silly of me to ask my opponent to let me take my chips back because I shouldn't have bet them in the first place. A $50 prize is nothing to ignore. Good players don't miss triggers. Players that miss triggers don't deserve to win a tourney. Personally, I think all triggers should include the word 'may.' Unless it's negative, of course. Like I always tell new players, "You're going to make every mistake, just make sure you only make them once."
Getting flustered about mistakes is nothing new. I've been annoyed quite a few times with my mistakes, embarassed a few times at making stupid plays, sometimes still came back from a major mistake. I personally only tend to get annoyed with myself when it was a mistake the cost me the game and I realize it.
This is why I will never play Standard with the top decks. I will not play competitive. Because the smug smirks I get after matches makes me want to slap the person across the table, because I hate when people see mistakes I made that I already know about. I would be happy if it was something I hadn't noticed, but if I already saw my mistake I'll even usually announce that I made a mistake, so they won't tell me later. I cannot stand being told what I already know.
As for how everyone else is taking it, saying the OP is a baby or crap, please shut the front door. As far as I'm concerned that's probably the most mature way he could handle in while flustered. And as for leaving the deck behind you can't say you probably wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation. The whole reason he probably forgot it was that it was someone else's deck, and didn't really have an attachment to it. I'm not going to say that wasn't a stupid thing to do, because it was, but it's once again that annoyance of " please stop telling me what I did wrong when I already know what I did wrong." As far as I can see the OP is aware of that mistake. It need not be repeated.
Heck, some of what I'm typing is probably BS, but hey. at least I'm trying to be supportive.
"Was that really how it went? It was only a timing issue thanks to an arbitrary reveal of information... information which only spelled his absolute doom if anything. There was no other way out of that scenario for him, and both of us knew it. We're both upper class gentlemen in this game, above the idiots that generally populate the tournaments playing for ☺☺☺☺s and giggles, right? It was the prize, that illusive pot of gold that influenced his decision... he's not a bad guy, none of us really are. but look what we'll do to so much as further a chance at some in-store credit... You know what? ☺☺☺☺ that."
I think in this situation, it would be wise to focus less on your play error and more on the part where you say, "He's not a bad guy, none of us really are." Keep in mind you were friends before the game, and you will be friends after the game. He played by the rules, and I think part of you has to respect that, even if you don't like the outcome.
Do prizes bring out the cutthroat in some people? Sure. But here, you seem to be displacing that cutthroat attitude. You place so much of the blame on your opponent because he was trying to win. At the same time, you are obviously letting your own emotions get the best of you for the exact same reasons. Please be careful not to judge others based on attributes you are actually seeing in yourself.
If competitive play doesn't bring you enjoyment or if you feel it brings out the worst in you, then it is probably a good idea to step back for awhile. Play in non-competitive environments or just take a break from Magic altogether. I hope you find a healthy course of action.
As far as I'm concerned that's probably the most mature way he could handle in while flustered. And as for leaving the deck behind you can't say you probably wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation.
The most mature way to handle it?
Really?
Reallly?
Last night in the second game of the first match I made a stupid mistake by miscalculating mana due to an Everflowing Chalice issue.
Played something, and then couldn't play the second thing that I was intending (and that was the thing which would have given me the game lock).
Even more so it was against a really good friend of mine.
Should I expect a take back? Should I have stormed out knowing that I could have won if I had reversed what I did? Should I be pissed at my friend?
No, he won fair and square and I made the mistake and you know what? I will not make the same mistake again.
It definitely stung, but I enjoyed the rest of the night.
The day storming out like a rejected little princess is the mature way to handle something like this, especially when it is involving a card game is the day that I will quit for good. (Again :cool2:)
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I'm pretty sure I would remember to take the deck I had been playing with 1 second ago. He did mention he had to wait for a friend to finish playing, so we can hope he watched over it, or perhaps it was even his deck. I just get bad vibe from post. He's really pissed over something very minor, which is no one's fault, then goes to an online forum to vent. That is the worst possible solution, unless he's upset that the other player didn't laugh at his mistake and is looking for someone to fill the void.
I've made some really bad mistakes. I'd be surprised if a lot of us haven't. Especially at an FNM where you aren't totally focusing because you're not trying to win a box or qualify for a bigger event. It's easy to let your mental guard down at FNM.
I get pretty pissed off at myself. I usually call my girlfriend after the match and she'll listen to my play-by-play and she'll sort of tell me to get my head out of my ass, pay attention and stop thinking I am better then I am.
Then I'll probably get a drink, watch some matches finish, or rant about it to a friend, or even the opponent (in a friendly, "I can't believe that just happened," sort of way).
We all beat ourselves up about it. But even if you aren't a 'handshake opponent' type of person, at least scoop for their benefit and your pride.
As for triggers and whatnot, I recommend grinding on MTGO to A) play more Magic and B) remember what cards trigger when for offline tournaments. Totally worth the money and you will never forget about your triggers, the stack or the game state at a real life tournament because you will have these invisible prompts in your head. Or maybe MTGO has just turned me into a robotic player offline.
The most mature way to handle it?
Really?
Reallly?
Last night in the second game of the first match I made a stupid mistake by miscalculating mana due to an Everflowing Chalice issue.
Played something, and then couldn't play the second thing that I was intending (and that was the thing which would have given me the game lock).
Even more so it was against a really good friend of mine.
Should I expect a take back? Should I have stormed out knowing that I could have won if I had reversed what I did? Should I be pissed at my friend?
No, he won fair and square and I made the mistake and you know what? I will not make the same mistake again.
It definitely stung, but I enjoyed the rest of the night.
The day storming out like a rejected little princess is the mature way to handle something like this, especially when it is involving a card game is the day that I will quit for good. (Again :cool2:)
As someone with anger issues, I can say that he was TRYING to do the mature thing. Yes, it was stupid for him to do it mid-game, and even stupider to leave the deck behind, but a lot of the time when I'm really, really pissed, the only thing I can really do is to just excuse myself [after the game] and just walk around outside for a bit, let off some steam. It's a lot more mature than just letting it build up until you blow, or just exploding at someone.
Our FNM is a $5 entry fee but it all goes to the pot for the prizes.
FNM or not is no excuse to let sloppy play go, and as I said before you nicely bring it up AFTER the match to help them grow and maybe help them on their next match.
If they get carried through out games, they will expect it every time they play and there is no excuse for that.
The ONLY one with a bad attitude in this story was the op, the people he ran out crying on even were nice and civil to him when he passed them on his way back.
There is teaching and helping someone, and there is carrying someone and enabling them.
Fine, you pay for FNM, still isnt a reason to be a total so and so to more or less newer players. Its the mentality in this thread that drives new players from the game or are scared to play. Like I mentioned, his way of handling this was very mature compare to how most at my LGS would handle this. There was no swearing, no table tossing, no fighting. Yes I have seen fist fights over misplays on FNM night.
Fine, you pay for FNM, still isnt a reason to be a total so and so to more or less newer players. Its the mentality in this thread that drives new players from the game or are scared to play. Like I mentioned, his way of handling this was very mature compare to how most at my LGS would handle this. There was no swearing, no table tossing, no fighting. Yes I have seen fist fights over misplays on FNM night.
While it may be more mature than table-tossing or fighting, I can't really say it's mature to get up and leave a friend's expensive deck behind mid-game because you made a mistake. Yes, it's good that he left to clear his head, but it's bad that he didn't take the deck with him.
And nobody in this thread is saying that you should be a cutthroat player who mocks newer players; I'll point out your mistakes at an FNM after the game, but I'm not going to play the game for you. Even if you're very, very new, I'm not going to let you take back mistakes [partially because if people keep doing that, it's a crutch, and it prevents the player from getting better; plus, it's kinda. You know. Cheating. You can't just let them take back a spell they cast because it doesn't do what they thought] or play the game for you. I WILL give you advice and point out your mistakes after the game [not even after the match, after the first game!] so you can still learn, but no, I'm not going to carry you. There's a whole spectrum between "let them take back anything and everything because they're new" and "Complete cutthroat jerk". It's not a binary system.
Fine, you pay for FNM, still isnt a reason to be a total so and so to more or less newer players. Its the mentality in this thread that drives new players from the game or are scared to play. Like I mentioned, his way of handling this was very mature compare to how most at my LGS would handle this. There was no swearing, no table tossing, no fighting. Yes I have seen fist fights over misplays on FNM night.
Nobody was a total "so and so", where in the nine hells are people getting this from?
Not letting people get away with slop is not being a "so and so".
Again,we have no way to know how this would have played out since the OP ran out but nobody was mean to him and nobody said anything rude to him at all.
If you have anger issues, grow the hell up and get therapy because there is no excuse for it.
I'd advise the OP to check out the "I Punted the Game" thread. It really is just a bunch of players making light of their stupid mistakes...and it's entertaining to boot!
Nobody was a total "so and so", where in the nine hells are people getting this from?
Not letting people get away with slop is not being a "so and so".
Again,we have no way to know how this would have played out since the OP ran out but nobody was mean to him and nobody said anything rude to him at all.
If you have anger issues, grow the hell up and get therapy because there is no excuse for it.
I dont have anger issues, I just think some players take the game WAYYYYY too serious. Its just a game.
Obviously there are far too many responses (I didn't expect this many people to pay attention to a thread like this actually) for me to quote anyone specifically, so I'm going to make some general statements to get the facts straight. I figure clearing up the misunderstandings resulting in most of these responses are worth more than trying to address them all directly...
Firstly, the store I play at is a pretty small place. As stated previously, we get a rather meager turnout compared to Addictive Behaviors, the store in Eugene. Everyone remaining in the building that night was someone I trusted to not to steal/keep watch on my stuff. Even though I didn't know some very well, I recognized them all. Nobody was going to steal my ☺☺☺☺, and when I returned to the store I found that my other friend (the guy who regularly drives me home from these) had put the deck away for me, and handed me the box when he noticed my return. My backpack was still sitting where I'd left it, and the only different thing I noticed in the store was that the semis were being played out, and the casuals who had previously been in the tourney were playing at one of the corner tables.
Secondly, I must also add that to be fairly honest, I do actually know my opponent a little better than that. We playtest and hang out outside of magic sometimes, and have had deep, meaningful conversations about life and all that. We're cool, and I've had the chance to discuss this with him personally thanks to Facebook. I don't blame him for his choice (as also previously stated, I would have done the same in his position) nor I feel I really made a mistake. I bolded the start of the section in the spoiler wherein I very clearly described the board state.
Thirdly, the only detail I forgot to mention in said description was that I did in fact point out that his life total was 6 points higher than it should verbally (as I said, only after I'd put the next pair of mountains into play) and he calmly told me that he was under no obligation to take the damage since I had already resolved the second harrow. Once that was made clear to me, I proceeded to make the next mistake. Attacking was how I sealed it. After I'd done that, I'll admit I didn't bother ask for another takeback. Can you imagine how much stupider I'd have looked if I had? Yeah. Hence, my next course of action... I handled it the best way I was capable of in the situation.
Lastly, some people said to take a break, play variant formats, "find what it was that got you into magic" or whatever. Trust me, I've tried. But the competitive rationale is so deeply ingrained into my consciousness that despite past attempts at doing just that, I've found nothing. Multiplayer is all about politics, and to be perfectly honest I just dislike the majority of people around me. But I never go out of my way to say that to their faces, or even imply it. I'm pretty sure I don't consciously do anything else that could possibly agitate my fellow players either. However, I've also come to the conclusion that the majority of people who meet me simply don't like me either. I'm not sure exactly why, but somehow I give off an impression that the majority of folks just don't agree with. Try as I might to make clear what it is I believe, what my intent actually is when I actually open my mouth, very few people seem to understand. And even then, I wonder if the few people who actually do like me, only think the way they do about me because of some misconception or other. It's difficult, but I've come to peace with the idea that I'm just not an easy person to like.
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I think many people here have some valid points, but are missing the main point of the OP. OP is essentially bothered by the fact that friends who gather to play cards at a tournament are willing to play cutthroat against each other when prizes are on the line, even in a free tournament event. OP argues that even if his opponent knows he "should" have lost the match, he ended up winning off of a mistake that OP assumes his opponent would not have forgiven.
To that end, when you play an FNM and get paired with a friend or acquaintence after you've drafted a kinda crappy deck, but he gets mana screwed, do you stop beating him down til he gets the land he needs so it's a "fair" win? No, you beat his face in while his one plains stares at your army. It's tough luck sometimes and it happens to everyone. Last night my opponent had a win on the board and didn't see it til after he passed turn. On my turn, my Flesh-eater Imp and a good topdeck of one more body to feed to him got there. My opponent didn't quit, and when the match was over (I 2-0'd him) he shook my hand and resolved to do better next time. I've lost more than my fair share of games to dumb mistakes and don't blame my opponent for capitalizing on them, I blame myself for making them. And then I learn from the experience and pay more attention next time.
If it really is "just a game" then why beat yourself up over a mistake or the fact your opponent capitalized on it? Why not laugh at the mistake, say "Man, I won't do that again, and move on with the night? It is just a game, and your opponent won because in this instance, he was the better player, he was the one who played with no mistakes and hence he deserved the win. The player who wins isn't just the one who selects the right deck and sideboard for the meta, who utilizes his resources to the utmost, and capitalizes on every small edge he can make during the game, it's also the player who plays the tightest, which is equally deserving of a win. You may have played tight all night, but you choked at the wrong point and lost. Big deal. I think your frustrations stem from other unresolved issues, some magic related, some life related that may be coloring your experience with the game. I agree that standard has gotten kind of stale, but I look forward to a metagame without fetches, valakut, or Jace. I think it will be truly interesting when Jace leaves. Till then, I'm gonna play my Jaces and Flashfreezes in standard, I'm gonna draft Go for the Throat in limited, and I'm gonna go T1 Kor Duelist, T2 Mana Vault, Jitte, Equip in EDH and I'm gonna make sure that every time I make a dumb play, I learn from it, and shake hands with my opponent who deservedly beat my face in afterwards for it. Punish mistakes, so that your opponent learns from them.
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I'm glad that you left the store to cool off, but next time scoop if you're going to leave. I understand that FNMs are supposed to be casual compared to PTQs, but people will be dicks when prizes are involved. You made a mistake that costed you the game, and I guarantee no one would let you redo it. It's your opponent's duty to maintain the game state as well as yours, and you messed up. Now that you made a mistake, you can learn from it. Unfortunately if you feel like you're not having fun, then it would be good for you to take a break as others have said. You'll come back better knowing what not to do.
Jesus. You made a dumb mistake and lost a game at an FNM. BFD.
I agree that treating MTG as a competitve thing is really stupid, given that 99% of the time you're playing for nothing, and you ruin the fun of playing the game. And yes, trying to be a spike brings the worst out of people. So just don't play them. LEt them sit in the corner of the store blowing hundreds and hundreds of dollars on decks that will never win them anything.
That's the attitude he's talking about. People who play "serious magic" are just a blight on the game with thier ridiculous "THIS IS SO SERIOUS!!!" mindsets.
Please shut up. I don't play tournies, but I am a spike and have plenty of fun. I don't whine when I lose and I don't do stupid things liek the OP. Stop your stupid stereotyping.
I dont have anger issues, I just think some players take the game WAYYYYY too serious. Its just a game.
So, do you think that anyone in every competitive environment takes their game too seriously? Sports, debates, games? Because in the end they are all games, and the competitive events wouldn't be there if people weren't taking it seriously.
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@Hoodoo-Its an FNM, you need to lighten up a bit. Its free and entry level competitive. I can fully understand if you had paid money to play for a nice prize, but not at a free FNM.
At the end of the match, i knew i was no match for his deck, (this was a booster draft btw) . He had stuff that just blew me out of the water. It was completley out of luck.
He got up at the end of the match, and screamed "I won you tard, lemme take the next easy nutcase" I said only a couple words, "up yours you poor sported *insert immagination*" Apparantly the store manager said i took it better then most other people. I think those types of players have to go.
Whatever you do, if you quit playing, dont sell out. Chances are it will blow over, and you'll want to play again.
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What I'm amused at is that you left a BORROWED deck out on the table and walked around for six blocks, leaving your cards out with a bunch of strangers.
Isn't that a bigger "mistake" than an in-game one?
You're lucky that no one swiped your friend's deck. You sound like a very contemptible individual, one of those magic players who thinks that they're better than other people just for being good at a card game. (Except I guess you aren't since you went 2-2.)
You're probably doing everyone at that shop a favor by never going back. If you do decide to play magic again, treat your opponents and your borrowed cards better.
Our FNM is a $5 entry fee but it all goes to the pot for the prizes.
FNM or not is no excuse to let sloppy play go, and as I said before you nicely bring it up AFTER the match to help them grow and maybe help them on their next match.
If they get carried through out games, they will expect it every time they play and there is no excuse for that.
The ONLY one with a bad attitude in this story was the op, the people he ran out crying on even were nice and civil to him when he passed them on his way back.
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If I'm playing poker and make a bad bet, I cut my losses and move on. It would be silly of me to ask my opponent to let me take my chips back because I shouldn't have bet them in the first place. A $50 prize is nothing to ignore. Good players don't miss triggers. Players that miss triggers don't deserve to win a tourney. Personally, I think all triggers should include the word 'may.' Unless it's negative, of course. Like I always tell new players, "You're going to make every mistake, just make sure you only make them once."
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This is why I will never play Standard with the top decks. I will not play competitive. Because the smug smirks I get after matches makes me want to slap the person across the table, because I hate when people see mistakes I made that I already know about. I would be happy if it was something I hadn't noticed, but if I already saw my mistake I'll even usually announce that I made a mistake, so they won't tell me later. I cannot stand being told what I already know.
As for how everyone else is taking it, saying the OP is a baby or crap, please shut the front door. As far as I'm concerned that's probably the most mature way he could handle in while flustered. And as for leaving the deck behind you can't say you probably wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation. The whole reason he probably forgot it was that it was someone else's deck, and didn't really have an attachment to it. I'm not going to say that wasn't a stupid thing to do, because it was, but it's once again that annoyance of " please stop telling me what I did wrong when I already know what I did wrong." As far as I can see the OP is aware of that mistake. It need not be repeated.
Heck, some of what I'm typing is probably BS, but hey. at least I'm trying to be supportive.
I think in this situation, it would be wise to focus less on your play error and more on the part where you say, "He's not a bad guy, none of us really are." Keep in mind you were friends before the game, and you will be friends after the game. He played by the rules, and I think part of you has to respect that, even if you don't like the outcome.
Do prizes bring out the cutthroat in some people? Sure. But here, you seem to be displacing that cutthroat attitude. You place so much of the blame on your opponent because he was trying to win. At the same time, you are obviously letting your own emotions get the best of you for the exact same reasons. Please be careful not to judge others based on attributes you are actually seeing in yourself.
If competitive play doesn't bring you enjoyment or if you feel it brings out the worst in you, then it is probably a good idea to step back for awhile. Play in non-competitive environments or just take a break from Magic altogether. I hope you find a healthy course of action.
The most mature way to handle it?
Really?
Reallly?
Last night in the second game of the first match I made a stupid mistake by miscalculating mana due to an Everflowing Chalice issue.
Played something, and then couldn't play the second thing that I was intending (and that was the thing which would have given me the game lock).
Even more so it was against a really good friend of mine.
Should I expect a take back? Should I have stormed out knowing that I could have won if I had reversed what I did? Should I be pissed at my friend?
No, he won fair and square and I made the mistake and you know what? I will not make the same mistake again.
It definitely stung, but I enjoyed the rest of the night.
The day storming out like a rejected little princess is the mature way to handle something like this, especially when it is involving a card game is the day that I will quit for good. (Again :cool2:)
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I get pretty pissed off at myself. I usually call my girlfriend after the match and she'll listen to my play-by-play and she'll sort of tell me to get my head out of my ass, pay attention and stop thinking I am better then I am.
Then I'll probably get a drink, watch some matches finish, or rant about it to a friend, or even the opponent (in a friendly, "I can't believe that just happened," sort of way).
We all beat ourselves up about it. But even if you aren't a 'handshake opponent' type of person, at least scoop for their benefit and your pride.
As for triggers and whatnot, I recommend grinding on MTGO to A) play more Magic and B) remember what cards trigger when for offline tournaments. Totally worth the money and you will never forget about your triggers, the stack or the game state at a real life tournament because you will have these invisible prompts in your head. Or maybe MTGO has just turned me into a robotic player offline.
As someone with anger issues, I can say that he was TRYING to do the mature thing. Yes, it was stupid for him to do it mid-game, and even stupider to leave the deck behind, but a lot of the time when I'm really, really pissed, the only thing I can really do is to just excuse myself [after the game] and just walk around outside for a bit, let off some steam. It's a lot more mature than just letting it build up until you blow, or just exploding at someone.
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Fine, you pay for FNM, still isnt a reason to be a total so and so to more or less newer players. Its the mentality in this thread that drives new players from the game or are scared to play. Like I mentioned, his way of handling this was very mature compare to how most at my LGS would handle this. There was no swearing, no table tossing, no fighting. Yes I have seen fist fights over misplays on FNM night.
While it may be more mature than table-tossing or fighting, I can't really say it's mature to get up and leave a friend's expensive deck behind mid-game because you made a mistake. Yes, it's good that he left to clear his head, but it's bad that he didn't take the deck with him.
And nobody in this thread is saying that you should be a cutthroat player who mocks newer players; I'll point out your mistakes at an FNM after the game, but I'm not going to play the game for you. Even if you're very, very new, I'm not going to let you take back mistakes [partially because if people keep doing that, it's a crutch, and it prevents the player from getting better; plus, it's kinda. You know. Cheating. You can't just let them take back a spell they cast because it doesn't do what they thought] or play the game for you. I WILL give you advice and point out your mistakes after the game [not even after the match, after the first game!] so you can still learn, but no, I'm not going to carry you. There's a whole spectrum between "let them take back anything and everything because they're new" and "Complete cutthroat jerk". It's not a binary system.
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Nobody was a total "so and so", where in the nine hells are people getting this from?
Not letting people get away with slop is not being a "so and so".
Again,we have no way to know how this would have played out since the OP ran out but nobody was mean to him and nobody said anything rude to him at all.
If you have anger issues, grow the hell up and get therapy because there is no excuse for it.
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I dont have anger issues, I just think some players take the game WAYYYYY too serious. Its just a game.
Firstly, the store I play at is a pretty small place. As stated previously, we get a rather meager turnout compared to Addictive Behaviors, the store in Eugene. Everyone remaining in the building that night was someone I trusted to not to steal/keep watch on my stuff. Even though I didn't know some very well, I recognized them all. Nobody was going to steal my ☺☺☺☺, and when I returned to the store I found that my other friend (the guy who regularly drives me home from these) had put the deck away for me, and handed me the box when he noticed my return. My backpack was still sitting where I'd left it, and the only different thing I noticed in the store was that the semis were being played out, and the casuals who had previously been in the tourney were playing at one of the corner tables.
Secondly, I must also add that to be fairly honest, I do actually know my opponent a little better than that. We playtest and hang out outside of magic sometimes, and have had deep, meaningful conversations about life and all that. We're cool, and I've had the chance to discuss this with him personally thanks to Facebook. I don't blame him for his choice (as also previously stated, I would have done the same in his position) nor I feel I really made a mistake. I bolded the start of the section in the spoiler wherein I very clearly described the board state.
Thirdly, the only detail I forgot to mention in said description was that I did in fact point out that his life total was 6 points higher than it should verbally (as I said, only after I'd put the next pair of mountains into play) and he calmly told me that he was under no obligation to take the damage since I had already resolved the second harrow. Once that was made clear to me, I proceeded to make the next mistake. Attacking was how I sealed it. After I'd done that, I'll admit I didn't bother ask for another takeback. Can you imagine how much stupider I'd have looked if I had? Yeah. Hence, my next course of action... I handled it the best way I was capable of in the situation.
Lastly, some people said to take a break, play variant formats, "find what it was that got you into magic" or whatever. Trust me, I've tried. But the competitive rationale is so deeply ingrained into my consciousness that despite past attempts at doing just that, I've found nothing. Multiplayer is all about politics, and to be perfectly honest I just dislike the majority of people around me. But I never go out of my way to say that to their faces, or even imply it. I'm pretty sure I don't consciously do anything else that could possibly agitate my fellow players either. However, I've also come to the conclusion that the majority of people who meet me simply don't like me either. I'm not sure exactly why, but somehow I give off an impression that the majority of folks just don't agree with. Try as I might to make clear what it is I believe, what my intent actually is when I actually open my mouth, very few people seem to understand. And even then, I wonder if the few people who actually do like me, only think the way they do about me because of some misconception or other. It's difficult, but I've come to peace with the idea that I'm just not an easy person to like.
To that end, when you play an FNM and get paired with a friend or acquaintence after you've drafted a kinda crappy deck, but he gets mana screwed, do you stop beating him down til he gets the land he needs so it's a "fair" win? No, you beat his face in while his one plains stares at your army. It's tough luck sometimes and it happens to everyone. Last night my opponent had a win on the board and didn't see it til after he passed turn. On my turn, my Flesh-eater Imp and a good topdeck of one more body to feed to him got there. My opponent didn't quit, and when the match was over (I 2-0'd him) he shook my hand and resolved to do better next time. I've lost more than my fair share of games to dumb mistakes and don't blame my opponent for capitalizing on them, I blame myself for making them. And then I learn from the experience and pay more attention next time.
If it really is "just a game" then why beat yourself up over a mistake or the fact your opponent capitalized on it? Why not laugh at the mistake, say "Man, I won't do that again, and move on with the night? It is just a game, and your opponent won because in this instance, he was the better player, he was the one who played with no mistakes and hence he deserved the win. The player who wins isn't just the one who selects the right deck and sideboard for the meta, who utilizes his resources to the utmost, and capitalizes on every small edge he can make during the game, it's also the player who plays the tightest, which is equally deserving of a win. You may have played tight all night, but you choked at the wrong point and lost. Big deal. I think your frustrations stem from other unresolved issues, some magic related, some life related that may be coloring your experience with the game. I agree that standard has gotten kind of stale, but I look forward to a metagame without fetches, valakut, or Jace. I think it will be truly interesting when Jace leaves. Till then, I'm gonna play my Jaces and Flashfreezes in standard, I'm gonna draft Go for the Throat in limited, and I'm gonna go T1 Kor Duelist, T2 Mana Vault, Jitte, Equip in EDH and I'm gonna make sure that every time I make a dumb play, I learn from it, and shake hands with my opponent who deservedly beat my face in afterwards for it. Punish mistakes, so that your opponent learns from them.
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So, do you think that anyone in every competitive environment takes their game too seriously? Sports, debates, games? Because in the end they are all games, and the competitive events wouldn't be there if people weren't taking it seriously.