Mirrans have 7 instances of word Zenith, and 5 instances of the word Shuffle. Phyrexians have 4 instances of Zenith, and 6 instances of the word shuffle. Everyone remember the beacon cycle from the last mirrodin block, an effect that shuffles it's own card back into its owner's library?
We have a red Zenith (mirran) that uses three instances of Zenith, one extra to list itself doing damage. It seems highly likely that the other colors are going to get a shuffle back into the library effect as well, each using two instances of the word zenith and one instance of shuffle.
Potentially all these zenith spells are X casters.
Phyrexians have:
No White X casters
No Blue X casters
1 Black X caster at XBB
No Red X casters
1 Green X caster at XG
Mirrans have:
1 White X caster at XWWW
1 Blue X caster at XUUU
No black X casters
1 Red X caster at XR (Red Zenith)
No Green X casters
That's five X spells, which adds up nicely. The the X theory is mostly based on symmetry at this point and these numbers adding up right (3 spells mirran for 7 instances of zenith and 2 phyrexian spells for 4 instances of zenith). Also, they fill in the gaps nicely across the mirran phyrexian factions. It could be coincidental, though.
Assuming there really is a cycle, it looks like the Mirrans are getting 3 Zeniths: the red one with a cost of xR, a white one with a cost of xWWW, and a blue one with the cost of xUUU. It also looks like the Phyrexians are getting the black and green ones, with the costs being xBB and xG respectively.
Interestingly, no hits for Moon, Sun, Moon's, or Sun's on the Phyrexian side...
Oddly not getting any hits for Sun or Sun's on the Mirran side either...
Either Database is screwy, need to enter the term differently or Red Sun's Zenith is a fake preview.
Anyone know what this might be?
On the Phyrexian Orb, you get 4 for Sun’s and 4 for Zenith. It's legit, the Green and Black ones are Phyrexian.
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Oddly not getting any hits for Sun or Sun's on the Mirran side either...
Either Database is screwy, need to enter the term differently or Red Sun's Zenith is a fake preview.
Anyone know what this might be?
The orb only responds to a certain type of apostrophe. You are probably using the wrong one. But I'm not sure how. Check out the orb FAQ.
Using the right apostrophe I got a result of 4 instances of "sun's" for phyrexia. Cycle confirmed as far as I care.
Okay then the black one for its mana cost seems like a -X/-X sweeper. The green one is probably the searcher mentioned in another thread. The blue one... bouncing maybe? The white one... tokens?
So what effects are we going to get? Red is a Disintegrate, Green is strongly rumored to be a color-limited Chord of Calling effect...
WHITE: At :xmana::symw::symw::symw:, if it's a lifegain spell I will just kill WotC, even if it's "gain 3x life" :p. I'd bet on a token maker here, spitting out X 1/1 soldiers or 1/1 myr, or maybe even 2/2 cats if we're really lucky. Exiling permanents seems possible as well. EDIT: I mean an exile effect based on CMC (like Ratchet Bomb), or perhaps a single-target instant one with a lifegain clause ala Exile. Obviously even at :xmana::symw::symw::symw:, "Exile X Target non-land permanents" would just be utterly insane especially in casual or EDH.
BLUE: I was hoping to see Spell Blast, but with a cost of :xmana::symu::symu::symu:, it's almost certainly either "Draw X" or "Bounce X (non-land?) Permanents" (like a remotely playable Distorting Wake). I guess there's an outside chance that it's "gain control of a creature/permanent with CMC X or less", like Dominate, but I'd bet on the bounce or draw.
Black: Using the artwork as a clue I'm guessing it'll be a reanimate spell. That'd be sort of lame considering their Beacon was also a reanimation spell, but meh. A tutor is right out (Green), and a -X/-X spell or even a Drain X spell seems unlikely based on both the artwork and what the Red spell does. Other ideas? Discard spell?
Wow, the white and blue ones must do some nuts things that are scaleable if they both cost triple colored mana before the X. If it's tokens for white, those had better be some decent sized tokens. I'm trying to look up what X spells blue has had but I'm having trouble looking that cost up.
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Black: Using the artwork as a clue I'm guessing it'll be a reanimate spell. That'd be sort of lame considering their Beacon was also a reanimation spell, but meh. A tutor is right out (Green), and a -X/-X spell or even a Drain X spell seems unlikely based on both the artwork and what the Red spell does. Other ideas? Discard spell?
So a reusable Mind Shatter? That'd be interesting. Though I'm not sure I'd use it in my discard deck.
But yeah, judging by the art, it looks like it could be reusable reanimate spell.
Wow, the white and blue ones must do some nuts things that are scaleable if they both cost triple colored mana before the X. If it's tokens for white, those had better be some decent sized tokens. I'm trying to look up what X spells blue has had but I'm having trouble looking that cost up.
Going by this (http://magiccards.info/query?q=c!u+mana%3E%3Dx&v=card&s=cname), it looks the first few cards either bounce stuff, make you draw, counter stuff, make you scry, tap stuff, etc. X could have to do with extra turns, but that'd be stupid. I wouldn't doubt it's a reusable Stroke of Genius. At least the cmc fits well enough.
There is 4 instances of X in the Phyrexian Orb, so would "Return x artifacts and/or creatures with CMC X or less from a graveyard to play." be possible?
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Only because the art for the black zenith has zombies doesn't mean it reanimate/make zombie tokens. See the red zenith, it has goblins screaming and the card's effect has little to do with goblins or panic. Also, it seems that all Zenith will have the colored sun behind the distinctive landmark of each color (thats it, Naj-Tar for white, Lumengrid for blue, the Vault of Whisper for black, Kuldotha for red and Tel-Jilad for green).
There is 4 instances of X in the Phyrexian Orb, so would "Return x artifacts and/or creatures with CMC X or less from a graveyard to play." be possible?
It would be unlikely for the casting cost to have multiple targets. Genesis Wave is XGGGand would probably be undercosted if it didn't involve hidden information.
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Blue Sun's Zenith
XUUU
Instant
Search your library for a blue instant or sorcery card with converted mana cost X, exile it, then shuffle your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card any time you may play an instant without paying its mana cost. Shuffle Blue Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
Blue Sun's Zenith
XUUU
Instant
Search your library for a blue instant or sorcery card with converted mana cost X, exile it, then shuffle your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card any time you may play an instant without paying its mana cost. Shuffle Blue Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
Amazing, but way too powerful, sadly i thinkthe black one will be a more of a loss of life effect, while the white will reanimate and the blue will either search for an artifact, or gain control as stated before by someone here
I'm surprised no one has suggested the possibility of the black one being
Black Sun's Zenith XBB
Sorcery
Target player gets X poison counters. Shuffle Black Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
it might give -1/-1 counters instead, but I'd think a Phyrexian Zenith would do something classically Phyrexian (and by classically I mean from one set earlier...).
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We have a red Zenith (mirran) that uses three instances of Zenith, one extra to list itself doing damage. It seems highly likely that the other colors are going to get a shuffle back into the library effect as well, each using two instances of the word zenith and one instance of shuffle.
Phyrexians have:
No White X casters
No Blue X casters
1 Black X caster at XBB
No Red X casters
1 Green X caster at XG
Mirrans have:
1 White X caster at XWWW
1 Blue X caster at XUUU
No black X casters
1 Red X caster at XR (Red Zenith)
No Green X casters
That's five X spells, which adds up nicely. The the X theory is mostly based on symmetry at this point and these numbers adding up right (3 spells mirran for 7 instances of zenith and 2 phyrexian spells for 4 instances of zenith). Also, they fill in the gaps nicely across the mirran phyrexian factions. It could be coincidental, though.
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Also, possibly the black Zenith?
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That's practically confirmation!
Oddly not getting any hits for Sun or Sun's on the Mirran side either...
Either Database is screwy, need to enter the term differently or Red Sun's Zenith is a fake preview.
Anyone know what this might be?
Zenith of Whisper
or something is possible.
On the Phyrexian Orb, you get 4 for Sun’s and 4 for Zenith. It's legit, the Green and Black ones are Phyrexian.
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Okay then the black one for its mana cost seems like a -X/-X sweeper. The green one is probably the searcher mentioned in another thread. The blue one... bouncing maybe? The white one... tokens?
WHITE: At :xmana::symw::symw::symw:, if it's a lifegain spell I will just kill WotC, even if it's "gain 3x life" :p. I'd bet on a token maker here, spitting out X 1/1 soldiers or 1/1 myr, or maybe even 2/2 cats if we're really lucky. Exiling permanents seems possible as well. EDIT: I mean an exile effect based on CMC (like Ratchet Bomb), or perhaps a single-target instant one with a lifegain clause ala Exile. Obviously even at :xmana::symw::symw::symw:, "Exile X Target non-land permanents" would just be utterly insane especially in casual or EDH.
BLUE: I was hoping to see Spell Blast, but with a cost of :xmana::symu::symu::symu:, it's almost certainly either "Draw X" or "Bounce X (non-land?) Permanents" (like a remotely playable Distorting Wake). I guess there's an outside chance that it's "gain control of a creature/permanent with CMC X or less", like Dominate, but I'd bet on the bounce or draw.
Black: Using the artwork as a clue I'm guessing it'll be a reanimate spell. That'd be sort of lame considering their Beacon was also a reanimation spell, but meh. A tutor is right out (Green), and a -X/-X spell or even a Drain X spell seems unlikely based on both the artwork and what the Red spell does. Other ideas? Discard spell?
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R = 5 damage
W = double life
U = extra turn
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B = returned artifact / creature from grave
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R = damage
G = creature fetch (maybe)
B = Looks like creature/artifact returning from grave.
WOuldn't be hard to imagine W being uber life gain.
But:
U X spell likely wont give extra turns
"Gain control of target spell/permanent with CMC X or less."
Because everyone loves those, right?
I certainly hope it's not an X based sleep effect.
Compare to Profane Command. Seems TERRIBLE.
Sweeper seems to be the only thing that makes sense at XBB. At 4 mana, it's an inefficient Infest. That sounds about on par for X spells.
Also, the art is NOTHING to judge it on.
The Red one has Goblins. The black one has Nim. The white will probably have Auriok soldiers, the green Elves, and the blue Vedalken or Neurok.
The Nim don't really have much to push reanimation, they're just the token race.
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So a reusable Mind Shatter? That'd be interesting. Though I'm not sure I'd use it in my discard deck.
But yeah, judging by the art, it looks like it could be reusable reanimate spell.
Going by this (http://magiccards.info/query?q=c!u+mana%3E%3Dx&v=card&s=cname), it looks the first few cards either bounce stuff, make you draw, counter stuff, make you scry, tap stuff, etc. X could have to do with extra turns, but that'd be stupid. I wouldn't doubt it's a reusable Stroke of Genius. At least the cmc fits well enough.
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It would be unlikely for the casting cost to have multiple targets. Genesis Wave is XGGGand would probably be undercosted if it didn't involve hidden information.
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I seriously hope not, as that would be a wasted rare slot, and they've shied away from Lifegain spells in the rare slot recently.
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Blue Sun's Zenith
XUUU
Instant
Search your library for a blue instant or sorcery card with converted mana cost X, exile it, then shuffle your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card any time you may play an instant without paying its mana cost. Shuffle Blue Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
Amazing, but way too powerful, sadly i thinkthe black one will be a more of a loss of life effect, while the white will reanimate and the blue will either search for an artifact, or gain control as stated before by someone here
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Black Sun's Zenith XBB
Sorcery
Target player gets X poison counters. Shuffle Black Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
it might give -1/-1 counters instead, but I'd think a Phyrexian Zenith would do something classically Phyrexian (and by classically I mean from one set earlier...).