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With legacy getting so popular these days, would it be wise for wizard to reprint force of will? The card isn't on the reserve list or anything and will allow people to get access to the counterspell to survive against all the quick combo decks or allow people to play control without shelling out $140. I honestly doubt force of will break standard or even extended and will probably sell out their next set.
I have no idea where to put the threat so I decided to put it here.
With legacy getting so popular these days, would it be wise for wizard to reprint force of will? The card isn't on the reserve list or anything and will allow people to get access to the counterspell to survive against all the quick combo decks or allow people to play control without shelling out $140. I honestly doubt force of will break standard or even extended and will probably sell out their next set.
No. Just no. They're not reprinting Counterspell, and you think they'll reprint FoW? They'd sooner reprint Balance.
I honestly think Wizards could give a rat's ass about reprinting cards to make legacy an "accessible" format. One of many advantages of a rotating competitive format is that the cards are readily availiable. Sure they will splash some desired old cards into duel decks and FTVs, and might destroy the secondary market in the process, but their motivation is purely to make some extra money on these products, not to pretend that eternal should be a professional format.
No. Just no. They're not reprinting Counterspell, and you think they'll reprint FoW? They'd sooner reprint Balance.
Force of will wouldn't be nearly as good in standard as it is in legacy.
That being said I don't see it as being reprinted. If anything they are more pushing to make decks in legacy that don't play force viable. (gogo unban entomb and print wild nacatl)
Force of will wouldn't be nearly as good in standard as it is in legacy.
That being said I don't see it as being reprinted. If anything they are more pushing to make decks in legacy that don't play force viable. (gogo unban entomb and print wild nacatl)
maybe it wouldn't be as powerful in standard as in legacy, but it'd still be ridiculously powerful all the same.
^No it wouldn't, FoW is powerful in legacy because theres a bunch of stuff that needs to be countered turn 1 when you don't have any other answers. In standard it would be horrible in control decks because of the limited draw power in blue right now. If Force was in standard it might see play as a 1 or 2 of but definitely not 4 of.
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^No it wouldn't, FoW is powerful in legacy because theres a bunch of stuff that needs to be countered turn 1 when you don't have any other answers. In standard it would be horrible in control decks because of the limited draw power in blue right now. If Force was in standard it might see play as a 1 or 2 of but definitely not 4 of.
I think you're overestimating Force. I think it would be nigh unplayable in the current standard. Think of the card disadvantage. You'd never get back except with Jace, and you'd be dead in the water if Jace ever got dealt with (which U/W most certainly is not)
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No. This card would be so ridiculous it would tear your opponent in half. It basically says "Make target opponent jump off of a bridge in vexation."
That and the insane amount of butthurt it would cause collectors.
No. This card would be so ridiculous it would tear your opponent in half. It basically says "Make target opponent jump off of a bridge in vexation."
That and the insane amount of butthurt it would cause collectors.
You're missing the part where force of will is actually completely balanced. It even has an extraneous loss of one life in addition to being balanced.
Arguing that Force wouldn't see play in Standard is absolutely hilarious. Chapin would slam 4 into his U/W control build, and the Jund Dominance of the last year would be nothing in comparison to what that format would create.
Not that it matters.
If they reprint Force of Will, it will not be in a way that makes it standard legal.
I don't foresee a Force of Will reprint in the near future, unless they make a concious effort to mass reprint lots of legacy staples. Which they might. The reserved list is going to die, its only a matter of time.
Drugs it must be the drugs that make people think this way. I mean this card has never been reprinted and do you think outside of a duel deck or from the vault that this card will see the light of day once more? No not gonna happen cap'n
I remember Disrupting Shoal actually seeing a little play in standard and it was actually a halfway decent card. The problem with free counters is that you can never play the game to force a "safe" time to resolve an important spell. No matter what you do, you have to worry about it being there, and just hold your breath and make a guess as to the right time.
Force would be broken in half in standard. Card disadvantage isn't so much a problem when you have Halamar Depths/Jace/Treasure Hunt/Mind Spring.
I think you're overestimating Force. I think it would be nigh unplayable in the current standard. Think of the card disadvantage. You'd never get back except with Jace, and you'd be dead in the water if Jace ever got dealt with (which U/W most certainly is not)
I'm overestimating it by saying if it was in standard it would be a 1 or 2 of? In legacy it's invaluable against decks like ANT and belcher which can have turn 1 wins consistently (belcher not so much).
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They wont print Reprint Foil they wont reprint Force of will for stantard. I can see in a from the vault or GP Foil or Judge Foil but never in standard set. Force of will in standard and you thought Goph or baneslayer was epensive AUTOMATIC $100 card non foil. Auto 4 in every deck for standard and extended and the format changes from Jund to the dawn of U/W draw go domaint in every tourney for the next 2 years.
Then again for me I have 10 Forces in my Collection for me selling 6 at $600 or more is a boon I have no problem in money letting that happen
Did someone actually suggest that Force of Will is balanced because of the card disadvantage it creates and the extraneous loss of life? Have they ever played against a deck running a playset? I wish there were an emoticon with a little smiley face bashing its head against a wall to express my feelings about that.
Force of Will is a powerhouse card, besides being able to stop a combo from going off stone cold when tapped out, it allows you to tap out for your own bomb or combo and still be able to defend it. There's a reason it's a $40 uncommon. I remember pulling these out of Alliances packs left and right, groaning because I really wanted that super-hot Balduvian Horde or Kjeldoran Outpost.
Will wizards reprint it? Well, we saw Lightning Bolt come back, so the constructed conditions would have to be juuuuuust right, but probably not. Lightning Bolt was ultimately reprinted because many red burn spells had rotated out, making it less powerful than ordinary. Can you imagine RDW if it was gifted with Incinerates?
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FoW definitely will not be reprinted. That said, it wouldn't actually be overpowered, but rather above the curve. FoW is really dependent on the threats that need countered, when they need to be countered, and the draw available in a said format. Reprinting FoW wouldn't automatically flip Jund from the seat as the most popular deck, but it might do so in tandem with another good counterspell and Jace + Treasure Hunt.
Mechanically, I don't think FoW can be broken. It's certainly powerful and it holds at least two formats together, but that doesn't actually make it broken. EEbonclaw, you are demonstrating a fallacy in logic. FoW isn't expensive because it's broken. It's expensive because it's essential to combat all the broken things in the formats it's present in.
Personally, I think Bloodbraid Elf is a more powerful spell in the abstract, but the nature of the formats FoW is played in make it more essential and thus it looks "broken" to some. That said, comparing a spell's printability in comparison with BBE's power isn't exactly a healthy place to be as far as the game is concerned.
Drugs it must be the drugs that make people think this way. I mean this card has never been reprinted and do you think outside of a duel deck or from the vault that this card will see the light of day once more? No not gonna happen cap'n
Maybe they got into Wizard's stash.
Seriously though. Never. No. Not never. Never ever ever. As someone stated earlier, I could see it in FTV or special promo foils but that's where it would stop.
Did someone actually suggest that Force of Will is balanced because of the card disadvantage it creates and the extraneous loss of life? Have they ever played against a deck running a playset? I wish there were an emoticon with a little smiley face bashing its head against a wall to express my feelings about that.
Force of Will is a powerhouse card, besides being able to stop a combo from going off stone cold when tapped out, it allows you to tap out for your own bomb or combo and still be able to defend it. There's a reason it's a $40 uncommon. I remember pulling these out of Alliances packs left and right, groaning because I really wanted that super-hot Balduvian Horde or Kjeldoran Outpost.
This. Entirely this. Force of Will isn't just good because it can stop a turn 1 combo. FoW is good because it protects your own combo. You don't have to worry about not landing your combo as soon as you hit the mana because you've got a FoW in hand. Or you might be a tad behind, and so you tap out to catch up and even the playing field a bit. Your opponent feels safe now and sets up his win. But wait, you have a FoW sitting in hand. Unconditional counterspells are powerful. Free unconditional counterspells are broken. Wizards knows this. I'm pretty sure it's been stated by members of R&D multiple times that they learned their lesson with FoW. It's not getting reprinted, end of discussion.
This. Entirely this. Force of Will isn't just good because it can stop a turn 1 combo. FoW is good because it protects your own combo. You don't have to worry about not landing your combo as soon as you hit the mana because you've got a FoW in hand. Or you might be a tad behind, and so you tap out to catch up and even the playing field a bit. Your opponent feels safe now and sets up his win. But wait, you have a FoW sitting in hand. Unconditional counterspells are powerful. Free unconditional counterspells are broken. Wizards knows this. I'm pretty sure it's been stated by members of R&D multiple times that they learned their lesson with FoW. It's not getting reprinted, end of discussion.
So, I agree in Eternal formats (and a legal Force would break extended in half). But what in standard is worth protecting that much? I guess some U/W Protect the Queen might be pretty good, but even then, I doubt it would see too much play in standard.
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With legacy getting so popular these days, would it be wise for wizard to reprint force of will? The card isn't on the reserve list or anything and will allow people to get access to the counterspell to survive against all the quick combo decks or allow people to play control without shelling out $140. I honestly doubt force of will break standard or even extended and will probably sell out their next set.
No. Just no. They're not reprinting Counterspell, and you think they'll reprint FoW? They'd sooner reprint Balance.
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Force of will wouldn't be nearly as good in standard as it is in legacy.
That being said I don't see it as being reprinted. If anything they are more pushing to make decks in legacy that don't play force viable. (gogo unban entomb and print wild nacatl)
maybe it wouldn't be as powerful in standard as in legacy, but it'd still be ridiculously powerful all the same.
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I think you're overestimating Force. I think it would be nigh unplayable in the current standard. Think of the card disadvantage. You'd never get back except with Jace, and you'd be dead in the water if Jace ever got dealt with (which U/W most certainly is not)
That and the insane amount of butthurt it would cause collectors.
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You're missing the part where force of will is actually completely balanced. It even has an extraneous loss of one life in addition to being balanced.
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You are aware of what extraneous means, yes?
Not that it matters.
If they reprint Force of Will, it will not be in a way that makes it standard legal.
I don't foresee a Force of Will reprint in the near future, unless they make a concious effort to mass reprint lots of legacy staples. Which they might. The reserved list is going to die, its only a matter of time.
Force would be broken in half in standard. Card disadvantage isn't so much a problem when you have Halamar Depths/Jace/Treasure Hunt/Mind Spring.
I'm overestimating it by saying if it was in standard it would be a 1 or 2 of? In legacy it's invaluable against decks like ANT and belcher which can have turn 1 wins consistently (belcher not so much).
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Then again for me I have 10 Forces in my Collection for me selling 6 at $600 or more is a boon I have no problem in money letting that happen
Force of Will is a powerhouse card, besides being able to stop a combo from going off stone cold when tapped out, it allows you to tap out for your own bomb or combo and still be able to defend it. There's a reason it's a $40 uncommon. I remember pulling these out of Alliances packs left and right, groaning because I really wanted that super-hot Balduvian Horde or Kjeldoran Outpost.
Will wizards reprint it? Well, we saw Lightning Bolt come back, so the constructed conditions would have to be juuuuuust right, but probably not. Lightning Bolt was ultimately reprinted because many red burn spells had rotated out, making it less powerful than ordinary. Can you imagine RDW if it was gifted with Incinerates?
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Mechanically, I don't think FoW can be broken. It's certainly powerful and it holds at least two formats together, but that doesn't actually make it broken. EEbonclaw, you are demonstrating a fallacy in logic. FoW isn't expensive because it's broken. It's expensive because it's essential to combat all the broken things in the formats it's present in.
Personally, I think Bloodbraid Elf is a more powerful spell in the abstract, but the nature of the formats FoW is played in make it more essential and thus it looks "broken" to some. That said, comparing a spell's printability in comparison with BBE's power isn't exactly a healthy place to be as far as the game is concerned.
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Seriously though. Never. No. Not never. Never ever ever. As someone stated earlier, I could see it in FTV or special promo foils but that's where it would stop.
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This. Entirely this. Force of Will isn't just good because it can stop a turn 1 combo. FoW is good because it protects your own combo. You don't have to worry about not landing your combo as soon as you hit the mana because you've got a FoW in hand. Or you might be a tad behind, and so you tap out to catch up and even the playing field a bit. Your opponent feels safe now and sets up his win. But wait, you have a FoW sitting in hand. Unconditional counterspells are powerful. Free unconditional counterspells are broken. Wizards knows this. I'm pretty sure it's been stated by members of R&D multiple times that they learned their lesson with FoW. It's not getting reprinted, end of discussion.
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So, I agree in Eternal formats (and a legal Force would break extended in half). But what in standard is worth protecting that much? I guess some U/W Protect the Queen might be pretty good, but even then, I doubt it would see too much play in standard.