Yeah, yeah, I know. But seriously - I checked and no source I found said Elspeth was not from Alara, just "not from Bant." I don't say it's likely she IS from Grixis (in fact I think it's not), just that it is technically possible.
Funny, she doesn't look Vithian (Grixis Human)...
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Because she isn't one. The vithians, as far as I know, are free people who fight the horrors of their world and want to escape. Elspeth was apparently a captive since her youth, so we really can't see her origin from her... um... clothes.
True, however, the the Shards flavor text in reference to Grixis seems to indicate that capture equals death in that particular shard. Which again makes it unlikely she is from Grixis. If she had been held captive by vithians, she'd look vithian, and if she had been held captive by any of the other Grixian powers she would be dead.
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I´m not sure if it was already mentioned, but what if Ob was a planeswalker eldrazi until his fellows were imprisoned (he could escape) but the floating hedrons robbed him his spark to power up or something similiar?
No, the flavor text seems to indicate that Ob came to Zendikar looking for power, but that he lost his spark instead.
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I guess that if Ob Releases the Eldrazi, he will do so in set 2 of the block and if they restore his spark somehow, he will get his PW card in the 3rd set of the block.
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I guess that if Ob Releases the Eldrazi, he will do so in set 2 of the block and if they restore his spark somehow, he will get his PW card in the 3rd set of the block.
Except you could have two Obs in play. They finally "fixed" the legend rule with the planeswalker rule, so I doubt they'd go right back to what they wanted to avoid.
Oh did I already mention that I have a feeling that Garruk might be one of the walkers which have imprisoned the Eldrazi?
The guy on gigantiform looks somewhat similar imo (I dont say it is Garruk just that he looks familiar) and afaik we dont know yet if garruk was a pre-mending walker.
Would fit his attitude of hunting strong prey and connect to it, to be able to summon it etc. . Maybe the Eldrazi have been also some formidable hunting prey but to strong to be connected thus, for the thrill of the hunt and helping to secure the multiverse, he helped imprisoning them?
Garruk does seem Zendikaran... I would not be surprised if he was a pre-mending walker originally from Zendikar. At the least we know he has an intimate knowledge of the plane from his warning to Jace (whom incidentally appears on one of the trap cards, in the art of summoning trap staring down a Baloth, he is also in the flavor text of a counterspell variant).
1.) Actually, we DO know he was heading there right away, because he had been trying to decipher the map for the express purpose of heading there.
2.) Jace was looking at the map because of Chandra's interest in it. Liliana was not in Zendikar, and she will not be there.
1) Actually, we DO know he ISN'T heading there because he is going to be in the Curse of the Chain Veil, following Lilianna and Garruk trying to help her out of her deal while Bolas goes after the veil. He was trying to figure out WHY the scroll was important. He had no clue it was a map at all.
Chandra had previously stolen the map in a previous web comic, and is now currently on Zendikar after the events of her recent book, "The Purifying Fire". As such, not much time must have passed since that comic. The current comic with Garruk chasing Liliana and asking Jace for help takes place after said comic, since Jace has managed to reclaim the map and is examining it trying to figure out where it leads and why Chandra had wanted it so badly.
I've done the math. It's been nearly THREE YEARS since Chandra stole that scroll. Sources largely derived from AoA
So? We already have two Bolases, and after Mirrodin Pure we will possibly have two Karns as well...
At the time of Bolas and Karn's creation there was no PW card type, that's why. Going forward they either design a character as a legend or a PW. Legends and PWs are different and they are designed and marketed as such.
People speculated we were going to get a pre-PW Ajani legend and it was an awful idea. A post-post-PW Ob makes even less sense.
Cmon now, we all know this guy is actually Galactus! lol
"His spark lost" seems to me that he was some sort of former 'Walker beforehand, possibly before the Mending and he was affected like Bolas or perhaps through some risky dark ritual he has Fallen...I dont believe he is originally of a different color, but thats pure speculation...:rolleyes:
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I have what is probably a monumentally stupid idea, BUT let me see if anyone else likes it. It would be very flavorful for demons to be fallen angels right? (to me anyway) What if nixxy gets his spark back, and is actually a white planeswalker, but he was too corruptable without his spark? I know it's a longshot and probably cant happen, but i want white to have someone that cool!
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There is a reasonable chance that Garruk was a pre-Mending planeswalker at some point (though not as old as Sorin)
My understanding was that in terms of Planeswalkers printed as cards through Zendikar, we had fully accounted for all the pre-Mending walkers: Liliana, Sorin, and Bolas.
My understanding was that in terms of Planeswalkers printed as cards through Zendikar, we had fully accounted for all the pre-Mending walkers: Liliana, Sorin, and Bolas.
Nope, we still have one missing oldwalker bouncing around the card sets, we just don't have any confirmation as to who. Only people that we can rule out.
Barinellos is right. Long before ZEN Brady told us that exactly three planeswalker cards represented characters who were pre-Mending 'walkers at some point. Since then Bolas and Liliana were confirmed, but the third one has not been revealed yet. A lot of people believe him to be Garruk just because he appears to be the oldest of them.
Ah, so the issue is that I mistook speculation on Sorin being amongst that number as fact. Thanks.
Ah, so the issue is that I mistook speculation on Sorin being amongst that number as fact. Thanks.
Or rather, we know Sorin is pre-Mending (as it's stated in the "Planeswalkers" section of mtg.com that he's older than all the others printed on cards so far, save for Bolas), but presumably Dommermuth meant there were 3 who had cards at the time he said it, which still leaves one slot open.
Let me ask you: Who ever said the Curse of the Chain Veil wouldn't take place on Zendikar?
While they might pop in, I think it'd be in really poor taste for the entire thing to suddenly take place there when the focus seems to have nothing to do with Zendikar.
If they do go to Zendikar at all, I would imagine it would be much like when Jace visited Grixis.
One thing for certain though, even if they DO go to Zendikar in CotCV, THEY WILL NOT HAVE NEW CARDS PRINTED. That is the entire point of the Planeswalkers novels, to seperate the characters from the sets.
While they might pop in, I think it'd be in really poor taste for the entire thing to suddenly take place there when the focus seems to have nothing to do with Zendikar.
If they do go to Zendikar at all, I would imagine it would be much like when Jace visited Grixis.
One thing for certain though, even if they DO go to Zendikar in CotCV, THEY WILL NOT HAVE NEW CARDS PRINTED. That is the entire point of the Planeswalkers novels, to seperate the characters from the sets.
Well, it is certainly possible for the veil to be part of the puzzle to the Eldrazi Cage, it would at the least explain the "shadow voices" in the webcomic.
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Well, it is certainly possible for the veil to be part of the puzzle to the Eldrazi Cage, it would at the least explain the "shadow voices" in the webcomic.
As I said (somewhere else on the forums) THAT... is entirely possible. I'd have nothing against that being the situation.
As I stated in some other thread (at least I believe it was another thread ^^) we can be like 99% sure we will see Jace V2 in ZEN-block.
I dont think Liliana is on ZEN anymore (if the webcomic took place there) and Jace had send Garruk in some wrong direction because he might still feel somethiung for that old hag.
BUT, it can be entirely true that Garruk might have a card in ZEN, because my newest theory is that he was one of the 3 walkers that locked the Eldrazi away. (At least he seems to be from Zendikar the way he looks like, just look at that guy on Gigantiform, which doesnt mean it is Garruk, but he like similar. Also he stated that he had been there before wrestling with some Wurms).
Also it fits Garruk´s hunter role that he would´ve loved to hunt down the dangerous creatures called Eldrazi and even if he wasnt able to connect them to him, he might have played a role in their imprisonment (he he really is a pre-mending walker).
Sarkhan - he spies imo right now for Bolas. Yeah, yeah I know. Bolas here, Bolas there... but afaik it is what makes sense right now and his "crazy" state of mind might show he struggles to break free from Bolas.
Chandra - No clue right now, why she is there... is she looking for the "Pure Flame"? (From Quest for Pure Flame)
About the other walkers:
Bolas = might become the puppet master for some time until we see him again. Would love to see him again as card but not necassarily as antagonist/protagonist again until somewhere in the future. (I love and hate that flying wurm at the same time.)
Elspeth = not likely somehow. It´s a gutfeeling. I guess she might want to search for a calmer place.
Ajani = not likely. again gut feeling.
Liliana = pretty likely, somewhere else. Maybe hunting the other demons with her new powers.
Tezzeret = pretty much unlikely. he will still need some time until he is fixed again, if we can go by his Tinker artwork.
Chandra is looking for whatever was on the scroll that she stole, which according to Jace's translations has something to do with "invisible eye" and "sheer fire" So, likely something to do with Ugin.
just a crazy speculation.. based on the card's flavor text..
well, Ob Nixilis might be an ex-Planeswalker, who planeswalked to Zendikar to use/abuse its 'corrupting mana' to power up himself, but instead got his 'soul fractured'. It could mean that Zendikar itself could have affected Nixxy's spark, making him lose it completely
Now he's left with some business in Zendikar
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anyway if that's the case, the current planeswalkers in Zendikar are probably in danger of losing their sparks too, in case Zendikar really affects planeswalkers' sparks
Chandra is looking for whatever was on the scroll that she stole, which according to Jace's translations has something to do with "invisible eye" and "sheer fire" So, likely something to do with Ugin.
I think that Jace would be on the Zendikar block, despites that novel synopsis; the final of the web comic is to obvious.
Chandra may be born of Zendikar. In the last web comic is said she lived in the city of Affa (Akoum mountains) all her life. And she may be looking for the Eye of Ugin that has something in common with the Eldrazi.
Ob Nixilis was a `walker who lost his spark with Zendikar`s mana.
The only thing that is driving me mad is Sarkhan. Not because his there, but if he is in this story (and he is) he may have a card, and there`s Nissa and Chandra.What would MTG do with him?
Ok thats some info I didnt knew of. BUT his webcomic heavily implies that he is heading to Zendikar. Garruk even tells him that he will go to Zendikar...
Maybe Curse of the Veil starts at some other point, takes a short stop on ZEN and then goes somewhere else?
Also, where do we get the information that the scroll Jace studies is the scroll chandra had stolen?
Garruk says its a map to/for Zendikar if I rememeber correctlym while Jace in his webcomic says that the scroll contains a spell and that he deleted Chandra´s mind so that she didnt know how to cast that spell anymore.
The Purifying Fire. Chandra goes back to steal it again, and Gideon, a white walker introduced in the Purifying Fire, tells her it is a map to Zendikar. The symbols found at the end of Fuel for the fire also match the glowing blue symbols Jace is studying in the first bit of the Curse of the Veil comic.
Garruk doesn't tell him he is going to Zendikar, he just tells him the scroll points to Zendikar.
@Vedawalker: As for Chandra, she isn't from Zendikar. What you are actually reading there is dialouge from the bartender. Before The Purifying Fire, Chandra had never heard of Zendikar.
For the finale to the webcomic.... you'll have to explain it, because the obvious answer to me has nothing to do with Jace.
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Elspeth: From a "Darker" Plane or whatever.
Sarkon Vol: From a plane where dragons are extinct.
Yep, only Tezz and Ajani are the only native Alaraians.
Funny, she doesn't look Vithian (Grixis Human)...
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True, however, the the Shards flavor text in reference to Grixis seems to indicate that capture equals death in that particular shard. Which again makes it unlikely she is from Grixis. If she had been held captive by vithians, she'd look vithian, and if she had been held captive by any of the other Grixian powers she would be dead.
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No, the flavor text seems to indicate that Ob came to Zendikar looking for power, but that he lost his spark instead.
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Except you could have two Obs in play. They finally "fixed" the legend rule with the planeswalker rule, so I doubt they'd go right back to what they wanted to avoid.
Yes, but those are older cards, and they'd never be in the same Standard environment.
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Garruk does seem Zendikaran... I would not be surprised if he was a pre-mending walker originally from Zendikar. At the least we know he has an intimate knowledge of the plane from his warning to Jace (whom incidentally appears on one of the trap cards, in the art of summoning trap staring down a Baloth, he is also in the flavor text of a counterspell variant).
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1) Actually, we DO know he ISN'T heading there because he is going to be in the Curse of the Chain Veil, following Lilianna and Garruk trying to help her out of her deal while Bolas goes after the veil. He was trying to figure out WHY the scroll was important. He had no clue it was a map at all.
Also, in regards to
I've done the math. It's been nearly THREE YEARS since Chandra stole that scroll. Sources largely derived from AoA
At the time of Bolas and Karn's creation there was no PW card type, that's why. Going forward they either design a character as a legend or a PW. Legends and PWs are different and they are designed and marketed as such.
People speculated we were going to get a pre-PW Ajani legend and it was an awful idea. A post-post-PW Ob makes even less sense.
"His spark lost" seems to me that he was some sort of former 'Walker beforehand, possibly before the Mending and he was affected like Bolas or perhaps through some risky dark ritual he has Fallen...I dont believe he is originally of a different color, but thats pure speculation...:rolleyes:
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My understanding was that in terms of Planeswalkers printed as cards through Zendikar, we had fully accounted for all the pre-Mending walkers: Liliana, Sorin, and Bolas.
Nope, we still have one missing oldwalker bouncing around the card sets, we just don't have any confirmation as to who. Only people that we can rule out.
Ah, so the issue is that I mistook speculation on Sorin being amongst that number as fact. Thanks.
Or rather, we know Sorin is pre-Mending (as it's stated in the "Planeswalkers" section of mtg.com that he's older than all the others printed on cards so far, save for Bolas), but presumably Dommermuth meant there were 3 who had cards at the time he said it, which still leaves one slot open.
While they might pop in, I think it'd be in really poor taste for the entire thing to suddenly take place there when the focus seems to have nothing to do with Zendikar.
If they do go to Zendikar at all, I would imagine it would be much like when Jace visited Grixis.
One thing for certain though, even if they DO go to Zendikar in CotCV, THEY WILL NOT HAVE NEW CARDS PRINTED. That is the entire point of the Planeswalkers novels, to seperate the characters from the sets.
Well, it is certainly possible for the veil to be part of the puzzle to the Eldrazi Cage, it would at the least explain the "shadow voices" in the webcomic.
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As I said (somewhere else on the forums) THAT... is entirely possible. I'd have nothing against that being the situation.
Lilliana was never ON Zendikar in the webcomics. Jace had never heard of it until Garruk mentioned it. Once again, Jace has absolutely NO reason to go to Zendikar, ESPECIALLY since he's been mentioned as being in the Curse of the Chain Veil following Garruk and Lilianna. Unless she heads there in CotCV, Jace isn't going either. And even if Zendikar is in that one, it will be divorced from the set, meaning Jace STILL won't get a card.
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He isn't heading for Zendikar, he's going to go help Lilianna as it tells in the blurb.
So, given that information, what are the chances now?
Chandra is looking for whatever was on the scroll that she stole, which according to Jace's translations has something to do with "invisible eye" and "sheer fire" So, likely something to do with Ugin.
well, Ob Nixilis might be an ex-Planeswalker, who planeswalked to Zendikar to use/abuse its 'corrupting mana' to power up himself, but instead got his 'soul fractured'. It could mean that Zendikar itself could have affected Nixxy's spark, making him lose it completely
Now he's left with some business in Zendikar
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anyway if that's the case, the current planeswalkers in Zendikar are probably in danger of losing their sparks too, in case Zendikar really affects planeswalkers' sparks
Could it be Ugin from Ghostfire flavortext?
Chandra may be born of Zendikar. In the last web comic is said she lived in the city of Affa (Akoum mountains) all her life. And she may be looking for the Eye of Ugin that has something in common with the Eldrazi.
Ob Nixilis was a `walker who lost his spark with Zendikar`s mana.
The only thing that is driving me mad is Sarkhan. Not because his there, but if he is in this story (and he is) he may have a card, and there`s Nissa and Chandra.What would MTG do with him?
The Purifying Fire. Chandra goes back to steal it again, and Gideon, a white walker introduced in the Purifying Fire, tells her it is a map to Zendikar. The symbols found at the end of Fuel for the fire also match the glowing blue symbols Jace is studying in the first bit of the Curse of the Veil comic.
Garruk doesn't tell him he is going to Zendikar, he just tells him the scroll points to Zendikar.
@Vedawalker: As for Chandra, she isn't from Zendikar. What you are actually reading there is dialouge from the bartender. Before The Purifying Fire, Chandra had never heard of Zendikar.
For the finale to the webcomic.... you'll have to explain it, because the obvious answer to me has nothing to do with Jace.