I feel like they could've deserved a better rare and the mythic couldve been X1UB so at worst its a Memoricide but it might be too strong. Anyways I feel like they didn't get the best stuff in standard playable but from a design and flavor standpoint they did well. Well except for having 2 mechanics. I would've liked more focus on either Cipher or on Mill both stretched them too far.
As far as control is dead I honestly feel this set may broaden the control decks a bit. I think we will see more America, Grixis, and possibly BUG lists(last one is very speculative)
Hey look everyone, another player that wants a card to bring the ****ing hand of god down on your opponent at a severely under-costed rate!
Reap Intellect is almost undercosted as is! Considering slaughter games already exists in the format and is 4cmc, but you do not get to probe your opponents hand, X4CMC is correctly costed. "hey, you just filled your hand with a primal hunter. lets see what you put in there and we're going to take 2 of those cards and remove them and all copies of them from your deck/GY/Hand."
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Don't forget this is a mythic and (unlike SG) it can be countered. Also, if you know what the opponent plays, with SG you can remove an important card from his deck without the need for him to have it in his hand - and RI risks running into a hand with cards the opponent doesn't care about that much/lands.
Pretty much this.
The card just doesn't do what you want it to do. If you want it to hit ANYTHING, it has to be at 5, and you have to hope they have it in their hand, and not just like 4 lands + farseek or something. I like super Lobotomy, but for 4 mana, you can SG into what you actually want, and it can't be countered, and if you are smart enough, you will name the right card every game. Slaughter Games just makes this card seem obsolete. Not to mention that if you want an X spell that gets their hand, Rakdos's Return is in RB also. I don't understand how this card impresses me at Mythic when they have printed better options in other mythic slots (Revelation and Return are less costed and more effective at what you want to do)
The more and more I look at this card, the more and more I feel like they just dropped the ball with Dimir. I mean, I -really- think the only reason Cipher wasn't at least good was because of Stalker, and that made everything just terrible.
I hope WotC realized this mistake and gives us a good cipher card in DGM. It is literally the last bastion of hope I have for Dimir. Something tells me I will be let down, once again.
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Kind of. Except for all the times I've gone up against Blood Artists and Vampire Nighthawks in control/disrupt decks
Nighthawk is ok, but Blood artist is pretty bad in most versions of esper, which don't run enough creatures to reliably kill with damage. Sure, augur into blood artist into verdict for 6 life or something isnt a terrible play, but he's just terrible if we're not wrathing since our creatures don't kill other people's creatures very often.
Artist is great in a lot of decks, but he's pretty bad in Esper.
And lets face it: blue isn't very good at being in non-control decks, especially blue-black. Sometimes there are BUG tempo decks, but they aren't common and Dimir doesn't help build one of those either.
Dimir is just filled with limited and casual cards, moreso than the other guilds. Yes, everyone has them, but it's just short on tournament-playable cards. Which is too bad if you're playing a deck/style that makes you want to run those colors already.
Esper is basically good because the other two guilds that compose it are strong (Azorius and Orzhov).
All the Dimir cards are either mill or overcosted. Oh I know wizards fears UB because it's traditionally been the most powerful color pair since the creation of this game but that doesn't give them any excuses for this tank job.
Lets even look at what UB does really good
Combo: Wizards pretty much hates combo.
Mana Denial: Wizards hates that too.
Putting stuff on top of owners decks: Wizards hates this as well.
Aggro control: Appearently this is an UW thing now
Control: Blacks discard and card draw aren't good. It's spot removal forces you to BUG control because Putrefy and Abrupt Decay are the best spot removal. Or you can just ditch it for white which got renounce the guilds and also has an uncounterable wrath.
All the Dimir cards are either mill or overcosted. Oh I know wizards fears UB because it's traditionally been the most powerful color pair since the creation of this game but that doesn't give them any excuses for this tank job.
Lets even look at what UB does really good
Combo: Wizards pretty much hates combo.
Mana Denial: Wizards hates that too.
Putting stuff on top of owners decks: Wizards hates this as well.
Aggro control: Appearently this is an UW thing now
Control: Blacks discard and card draw aren't good. It's spot removal forces you to BUG control because Putrefy and Abrupt Decay are the best spot removal. Or you can just ditch it for white which got renounce the guilds and also has an uncounterable wrath.
UB asnt been a really dominate player since Fairies. UW has been the beast in the room for years now. Between Cawblade, Delver (and its million different varients), Bant Control (which is UW that splashes G for Farseeks and Thragtusk), Bant Enchant (again mostly UW), and now Esper Control (Which, again is mostly UW and mainly uses the BW rather than the UB cards). Dimir got shafted hard this block. Anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional.
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UB asnt been a really dominate player since Fairies. UW has been the beast in the room for years now. Between Cawblade, Delver (and its million different varients), Bant Control (which is UW that splashes G for Farseeks and Thragtusk), Bant Enchant (again mostly UW), and now Esper Control (Which, again is mostly UW and mainly uses the BW rather than the UB cards). Dimir got shafted hard this block. Anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional.
I'm pretty sure UB control won worlds a couple of years ago.
I am a relatively new player (month or two so though I am not a standard player, I do know about it) and this is the first set I am witnessing come out. I think that Dimir didn't get completely screwed with these cards being released, I like most of the cards they got. Is a milling Dimir deck out of the question?
I play with my Dimir-loving roommate mostly, and he has milled me out before, had a 20/20+ consuming out, and even a turn 3 10/10 power between two jace's phantasm. I think some of the new dimir cards adding to this are scary lol. But then again I'm a casual player at best. Just my two cents.
I am a relatively new player (month or two so though I am not a standard player, I do know about it) and this is the first set I am witnessing come out. I think that Dimir didn't get completely screwed with these cards being released, I like most of the cards they got. Is a milling Dimir deck out of the question?
I play with my Dimir-loving roommate mostly, and he has milled me out before, had a 20/20+ consuming out, and even a turn 3 10/10 power between two jace's phantasm. I think some of the new dimir cards adding to this are scary lol. But then again I'm a casual player at best. Just my two cents.
don't worry, dimir isn't terrible, most people in this thread are just whining about how they cant (or rather choose not to) brew and/or play UB control. mill may not be viable in the competitive standard scene that most of these crybabies seem to think is the only format in which you can play magic.
Normally, I don't go along with these claims that WotC hates this color or that. But UB was hosed in Alara block too, so maybe it is the case they're really afraid of those types of decks.
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don't worry, dimir isn't terrible, most people in this thread are just whining about how they cant (or rather choose not to) brew and/or play UB control. mill may not be viable in the competitive standard scene that most of these crybabies seem to think is the only format in which you can play magic.
Yea maybe your right. I know Dimir can be scary in more relaxed games. Also forgot to mention a good dimir combo I saw too: a duskmantle guildmage can deal 8 damage to player when combined with the new Breaking/Entering card. It's possible at turn 5 and is easily repeatable with more milling cards.
I'll bet that the people who claim that UB are the most skill intensive colors are the same people who are complaining now that dimir is the most skill intensive guild to play.
Dimir most certainly can win drafts, and it also plays well with orhzov, in case you like playing 3-color wedge decks.
As many have already mentioned, the Esper BWU colors are already very strong in competitive Standard formats right now, and the blue and black colors have been strong ever since MTG was first released.
As the saying goes, "Wizards could put $100 bills in booster packs and people would complain about how they are folded"...
I am a relatively new player (month or two so though I am not a standard player, I do know about it) and this is the first set I am witnessing come out. I think that Dimir didn't get completely screwed with these cards being released, I like most of the cards they got. Is a milling Dimir deck out of the question?
I play with my Dimir-loving roommate mostly, and he has milled me out before, had a 20/20+ consuming out, and even a turn 3 10/10 power between two jace's phantasm. I think some of the new dimir cards adding to this are scary lol. But then again I'm a casual player at best. Just my two cents.
I think it's awesome that someone that's only been playing a month or two has a better grasp of the game than most players here. Well, awesome and sad at the same time.
I've been playing blue/black strictly since forever and I see no problems with it. Seriously, I like Mirko Vosk, love him even. He's great, screw anyone that says otherwise. I look forward to murdering people with him.
As the saying goes, "Wizards could put $100 bills in booster packs and people would complain about how they are folded"...
Wizards could put dog poo in booster packs and deluded fanboys would still call anyone complaining "whiner".
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Seriously, I like Mirko Vosk, love him even. He's great, screw anyone that says otherwise. I look forward to murdering people with him.
You sure try hard to convince yourself that Mirko doesn't suck completely. It's okay to enjoy playing with bad cards, but being aggressive toward people who correctly recognize them as bad is just ignorant and vile.
I think it's awesome that someone that's only been playing a month or two has a better grasp of the game than most players here. Well, awesome and sad at the same time.
I've been playing blue/black strictly since forever and I see no problems with it. Seriously, I like Mirko Vosk, love him even. He's great, screw anyone that says otherwise. I look forward to murdering people with him.
Good day.
The problem mostly with Mirko isn't mechanical, it's flavorful. The primary problems with the champions are from a Vorthos stance, not a Timmy or Johnny stance. From the position that 'this text tells you who this creature is' they lack slightly as Legends. Emmara is the biggest letdown, and the Timmy and Johnnies out there can't even work a good Standard/Modern/EDH strategy with her, even if Momir Basic can.
This is not to say, when grading the Champions in a row, I would defend Mirko, in comparison to the others he gets the lower end of the list. And I play UB, but in UB he's fighting for a slot already held by other T5s that are more effective.
Emmara is already being disowned by WotC crew on her creation. So I don't see much reason to defend her.
You sure try hard to convince yourself that Mirko doesn't suck completely. It's okay to enjoy playing with bad cards, but being aggressive toward people who correctly recognize them as bad is just ignorant and vile.
I don't have to convince myself of anything. Every card is bad to you people. Mirko Vosk does what he does well, and he does what no other card does.
You sure try hard to convince yourself that you know exactly how good every card is.
I don't "enjoy playing bad cards". I enjoying teaching people that they don't know everything about magic.
As far as aggressiveness and calling me vile and ignorant, whatever you say dude. I have to bash people over the head with info or they won't get it. And they still don't get it. So, have fun with your circle jerk because I'm done with you vile, ignorant, aggressive people.
Wizards could put dog poo in booster packs and deluded fanboys would still call anyone complaining "whiner".
You sure try hard to convince yourself that Mirko doesn't suck completely. It's okay to enjoy playing with bad cards, but being aggressive toward people who correctly recognize them as bad is just ignorant and vile.
You're hilarious, making those assumptions.
Thing is, it's been established that the MTG community has this bit of entitlement, and considering how the power creep has been these days, they also have impossibly high expectations. The adage plays off the fact that MTG is diverse, which means there are many types of players and reasons they play. Because of this, it's impossible for WitC to please them all and thus inevitably will displease someone. The players here are incredibly vocal about it due to the aforementioned sense of entitlement, that Magic is their games, and WotC must never print cards they don't deem at the very least like. No matter what Wizards will do, someone will complain. It's been like that for every single spoiled card for DGM, if you need reference.
On the flip side, your "clever" remark doesn't hold as much weight, because here is substantially more people who would /love the idea of 100 dollars regardless of how it's folded, practically no one will want dog ****. While WotC does intentionally design cards that aren't good in standard/modern/legacy/vintage/commander/russianroulette, they still have an inherent purpose and value. At that, your comment assumes that magic players are deluded fan boys, which obviously would fail to garner any respect or consideration from anyone who would actually care.
On Mirko Vosk, sure he's not your cup of tea, but for what it can do, it has its uses. Not your uses, mind you, but it's potent in its own environment. It's childish and asinine to make sweeping assumptions that if a card cannot be used in your preferred format, that it's unplayable. The divisions of formats exemplify this, as some "absolutely broken card" in say Standard, is absolutely useless in Legacy or Commander, one reason or another.
UB color is just not aggressive.. play mono red if you want to play aggressive, this color is built to CONTROL and to kill your opponent via tempo.
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The problem mostly with Mirko isn't mechanical, it's flavorful. The primary problems with the champions are from a Vorthos stance, not a Timmy or Johnny stance. From the position that 'this text tells you who this creature is' they lack slightly as Legends.
From a pure Vorthos perspective, Mirko Vosk has great flavor.
He's a vampire that siphons off your opponent's thoughts (ie cards to play), in essence, controlling their thoughts. And it isn't just mill three cards/ideas, either. Its more like mill/destroy 1/6th of your deck/mind (or even more from a limited-format perspective). That sounds exactly like a "mind drinker" to me.
When you look at vampire literature (and not just Dracula, but him too), vamps are really good at screwing with your mind and even controlling your thoughts. Nice to see a card express this side of vampiricism beyond just the stereotypical, Hollywood, sucking blood/life out of things. Duskmantle Seer is cool this way, too.
His P/T could be better, but that doesn't have much to do with his flavor. Even if it slightly does, he still can't be killed by a lot of things toe to toe and he still has evasion.
Obviously his grinding ability fits perfectly into the Dimir flavor of RTR block, ta boot.
What more does this card need to make it flavorful?
You're hilarious, making those assumptions.
Thing is, it's been established that the MTG community has this bit of entitlement, and considering how the power creep has been these days, they also have impossibly high expectations. The adage plays off the fact that MTG is diverse, which means there are many types of players and reasons they play. Because of this, it's impossible for WitC to please them all and thus inevitably will displease someone. The players here are incredibly vocal about it due to the aforementioned sense of entitlement, that Magic is their games, and WotC must never print cards they don't deem at the very least like. No matter what Wizards will do, someone will complain. It's been like that for every single spoiled card for DGM, if you need reference.
On the flip side, your "clever" remark doesn't hold as much weight, because here is substantially more people who would /love the idea of 100 dollars regardless of how it's folded, practically no one will want dog ****. While WotC does intentionally design cards that aren't good in standard/modern/legacy/vintage/commander/russianroulette, they still have an inherent purpose and value. At that, your comment assumes that magic players are deluded fan boys, which obviously would fail to garner any respect or consideration from anyone who would actually care.
On Mirko Vosk, sure he's not your cup of tea, but for what it can do, it has its uses. Not your uses, mind you, but it's potent in its own environment. It's childish and asinine to make sweeping assumptions that if a card cannot be used in your preferred format, that it's unplayable. The divisions of formats exemplify this, as some "absolutely broken card" in say Standard, is absolutely useless in Legacy or Commander, one reason or another.
The complaint here is that every card in a color combo popular with tournament players has been aimed at casual/edh magic. This guild has had the least tournament viable cards of the 10 guilds despite being extremely popular with competitive magic players. Do we want every card? No but we want a few and so far we have received very little. It's ok that Mirko isn't for us. .but where are our dimir cards? Nonexistent
Mostly it's comparison again. We know what he does, what he stands for.
Compare him to the Lord of Secrets, who did much the same thing. But the +1/+1 counters made it clear. "Secrets are his power." Mirko just feels... half finished, but I'm not sure what specifically I would add. Shroud is my first thought, but that's because, in Dimir, shroud and Hexproof always are my kneejerk though.
Dimir doesnt need good cards to win. It needs good pilots. Right now the majority of mtg players lack the sublety to run U/B effectively. Dont blame the cards, blame your lack of creativity.
Are people really gonna claim U/B is underpowered, when we have snapcaster, liliana, the best spot removal we've had in a while (black spells killing black critters without a dozen mana) half a dozen mediorce counters, and a fistful of decent finishers. Solar flare is usually 2-3 of the top 8's. While a big part of that deck is W (azo charm, sphinx's, supreme) u/b is still its underpinnings
Mostly it's comparison again. We know what he does, what he stands for.
Compare him to the Lord of Secrets, who did much the same thing. But the +1/+1 counters made it clear. "Secrets are his power." Mirko just feels... half finished, but I'm not sure what specifically I would add. Shroud is my first thought, but that's because, in Dimir, shroud and Hexproof always are my kneejerk though.
When I compare them, I appreciate Mirko Vosk's flavor even more than I did before! A throwback to the old way way of "power through secrets," but re-invigorating the vampiric mind-destroying by way of a new mechanic that the whole guild-flavor utilizes (ie grinding). Awesome. And he's the guild champion, not its leader, so it makes a lot of sense that he's just a much more pronounced expression of what the whole guild is doing. Even fuller, more consistent Dimir flavor than I realized!
No offense, but I wonder if the only thing Merko Vosk is missing is that he can't shock you out of your nostalgia.
To each their own, I guess.
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Hey look everyone, another player that wants a card to bring the ****ing hand of god down on your opponent at a severely under-costed rate!
Reap Intellect is almost undercosted as is! Considering slaughter games already exists in the format and is 4cmc, but you do not get to probe your opponents hand, X4CMC is correctly costed. "hey, you just filled your hand with a primal hunter. lets see what you put in there and we're going to take 2 of those cards and remove them and all copies of them from your deck/GY/Hand."
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Pretty much this.
The card just doesn't do what you want it to do. If you want it to hit ANYTHING, it has to be at 5, and you have to hope they have it in their hand, and not just like 4 lands + farseek or something. I like super Lobotomy, but for 4 mana, you can SG into what you actually want, and it can't be countered, and if you are smart enough, you will name the right card every game. Slaughter Games just makes this card seem obsolete. Not to mention that if you want an X spell that gets their hand, Rakdos's Return is in RB also. I don't understand how this card impresses me at Mythic when they have printed better options in other mythic slots (Revelation and Return are less costed and more effective at what you want to do)
The more and more I look at this card, the more and more I feel like they just dropped the ball with Dimir. I mean, I -really- think the only reason Cipher wasn't at least good was because of Stalker, and that made everything just terrible.
I hope WotC realized this mistake and gives us a good cipher card in DGM. It is literally the last bastion of hope I have for Dimir. Something tells me I will be let down, once again.
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Nighthawk is ok, but Blood artist is pretty bad in most versions of esper, which don't run enough creatures to reliably kill with damage. Sure, augur into blood artist into verdict for 6 life or something isnt a terrible play, but he's just terrible if we're not wrathing since our creatures don't kill other people's creatures very often.
Artist is great in a lot of decks, but he's pretty bad in Esper.
And lets face it: blue isn't very good at being in non-control decks, especially blue-black. Sometimes there are BUG tempo decks, but they aren't common and Dimir doesn't help build one of those either.
Dimir is just filled with limited and casual cards, moreso than the other guilds. Yes, everyone has them, but it's just short on tournament-playable cards. Which is too bad if you're playing a deck/style that makes you want to run those colors already.
Esper is basically good because the other two guilds that compose it are strong (Azorius and Orzhov).
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Lets even look at what UB does really good
Combo: Wizards pretty much hates combo.
Mana Denial: Wizards hates that too.
Putting stuff on top of owners decks: Wizards hates this as well.
Aggro control: Appearently this is an UW thing now
Control: Blacks discard and card draw aren't good. It's spot removal forces you to BUG control because Putrefy and Abrupt Decay are the best spot removal. Or you can just ditch it for white which got renounce the guilds and also has an uncounterable wrath.
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WUBRG Storm WUBRG
UBR FaerieStalker UBR
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Sygg, River Cutthroat (1vs1)
Maga, Traitor to Mortals (multiplayer)
UB asnt been a really dominate player since Fairies. UW has been the beast in the room for years now. Between Cawblade, Delver (and its million different varients), Bant Control (which is UW that splashes G for Farseeks and Thragtusk), Bant Enchant (again mostly UW), and now Esper Control (Which, again is mostly UW and mainly uses the BW rather than the UB cards). Dimir got shafted hard this block. Anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional.
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Between Breaking/Entering and Mind Sculpt at 4 each, you can mill an entire deck of 60. That's without the Mind Grind, Mirko Vosk, Dream Twist, Balustrade Spy, and Consuming Abberation. Spells like Psychic Strike, Pilfered Plans, and Thought Scour give bonus mills. Its a lot of milling, definitely enough to mill out, but could it be fast enough?
Creatures like Jace's Phantasm, Wight of Precint Six, Lazav, and Mindshrieker can do well in those decks, or you could defend with creatures like Royal Assassin and Vampire Nighthawk.
I play with my Dimir-loving roommate mostly, and he has milled me out before, had a 20/20+ consuming out, and even a turn 3 10/10 power between two jace's phantasm. I think some of the new dimir cards adding to this are scary lol. But then again I'm a casual player at best. Just my two cents.
don't worry, dimir isn't terrible, most people in this thread are just whining about how they cant (or rather choose not to) brew and/or play UB control. mill may not be viable in the competitive standard scene that most of these crybabies seem to think is the only format in which you can play magic.
Yea maybe your right. I know Dimir can be scary in more relaxed games. Also forgot to mention a good dimir combo I saw too: a duskmantle guildmage can deal 8 damage to player when combined with the new Breaking/Entering card. It's possible at turn 5 and is easily repeatable with more milling cards.
Dimir most certainly can win drafts, and it also plays well with orhzov, in case you like playing 3-color wedge decks.
As the saying goes, "Wizards could put $100 bills in booster packs and people would complain about how they are folded"...
I think it's awesome that someone that's only been playing a month or two has a better grasp of the game than most players here. Well, awesome and sad at the same time.
I've been playing blue/black strictly since forever and I see no problems with it. Seriously, I like Mirko Vosk, love him even. He's great, screw anyone that says otherwise. I look forward to murdering people with him.
Good day.
Wizards could put dog poo in booster packs and deluded fanboys would still call anyone complaining "whiner".
You sure try hard to convince yourself that Mirko doesn't suck completely. It's okay to enjoy playing with bad cards, but being aggressive toward people who correctly recognize them as bad is just ignorant and vile.
The problem mostly with Mirko isn't mechanical, it's flavorful. The primary problems with the champions are from a Vorthos stance, not a Timmy or Johnny stance. From the position that 'this text tells you who this creature is' they lack slightly as Legends. Emmara is the biggest letdown, and the Timmy and Johnnies out there can't even work a good Standard/Modern/EDH strategy with her, even if Momir Basic can.
This is not to say, when grading the Champions in a row, I would defend Mirko, in comparison to the others he gets the lower end of the list. And I play UB, but in UB he's fighting for a slot already held by other T5s that are more effective.
Emmara is already being disowned by WotC crew on her creation. So I don't see much reason to defend her.
I don't have to convince myself of anything. Every card is bad to you people. Mirko Vosk does what he does well, and he does what no other card does.
You sure try hard to convince yourself that you know exactly how good every card is.
I don't "enjoy playing bad cards". I enjoying teaching people that they don't know everything about magic.
As far as aggressiveness and calling me vile and ignorant, whatever you say dude. I have to bash people over the head with info or they won't get it. And they still don't get it. So, have fun with your circle jerk because I'm done with you vile, ignorant, aggressive people.
You're hilarious, making those assumptions.
Thing is, it's been established that the MTG community has this bit of entitlement, and considering how the power creep has been these days, they also have impossibly high expectations. The adage plays off the fact that MTG is diverse, which means there are many types of players and reasons they play. Because of this, it's impossible for WitC to please them all and thus inevitably will displease someone. The players here are incredibly vocal about it due to the aforementioned sense of entitlement, that Magic is their games, and WotC must never print cards they don't deem at the very least like. No matter what Wizards will do, someone will complain. It's been like that for every single spoiled card for DGM, if you need reference.
On the flip side, your "clever" remark doesn't hold as much weight, because here is substantially more people who would /love the idea of 100 dollars regardless of how it's folded, practically no one will want dog ****. While WotC does intentionally design cards that aren't good in standard/modern/legacy/vintage/commander/russianroulette, they still have an inherent purpose and value. At that, your comment assumes that magic players are deluded fan boys, which obviously would fail to garner any respect or consideration from anyone who would actually care.
On Mirko Vosk, sure he's not your cup of tea, but for what it can do, it has its uses. Not your uses, mind you, but it's potent in its own environment. It's childish and asinine to make sweeping assumptions that if a card cannot be used in your preferred format, that it's unplayable. The divisions of formats exemplify this, as some "absolutely broken card" in say Standard, is absolutely useless in Legacy or Commander, one reason or another.
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But how long did it survive? It came for a summer then, just as quickly, disappeared.
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
From a pure Vorthos perspective, Mirko Vosk has great flavor.
He's a vampire that siphons off your opponent's thoughts (ie cards to play), in essence, controlling their thoughts. And it isn't just mill three cards/ideas, either. Its more like mill/destroy 1/6th of your deck/mind (or even more from a limited-format perspective). That sounds exactly like a "mind drinker" to me.
When you look at vampire literature (and not just Dracula, but him too), vamps are really good at screwing with your mind and even controlling your thoughts. Nice to see a card express this side of vampiricism beyond just the stereotypical, Hollywood, sucking blood/life out of things. Duskmantle Seer is cool this way, too.
His P/T could be better, but that doesn't have much to do with his flavor. Even if it slightly does, he still can't be killed by a lot of things toe to toe and he still has evasion.
Obviously his grinding ability fits perfectly into the Dimir flavor of RTR block, ta boot.
What more does this card need to make it flavorful?
—Karn, silver golem
The complaint here is that every card in a color combo popular with tournament players has been aimed at casual/edh magic. This guild has had the least tournament viable cards of the 10 guilds despite being extremely popular with competitive magic players. Do we want every card? No but we want a few and so far we have received very little. It's ok that Mirko isn't for us. .but where are our dimir cards? Nonexistent
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Compare him to the Lord of Secrets, who did much the same thing. But the +1/+1 counters made it clear. "Secrets are his power." Mirko just feels... half finished, but I'm not sure what specifically I would add. Shroud is my first thought, but that's because, in Dimir, shroud and Hexproof always are my kneejerk though.
Are people really gonna claim U/B is underpowered, when we have snapcaster, liliana, the best spot removal we've had in a while (black spells killing black critters without a dozen mana) half a dozen mediorce counters, and a fistful of decent finishers. Solar flare is usually 2-3 of the top 8's. While a big part of that deck is W (azo charm, sphinx's, supreme) u/b is still its underpinnings
Grammar is the difference between knowing your ****, and knowing you're ****.
When I compare them, I appreciate Mirko Vosk's flavor even more than I did before! A throwback to the old way way of "power through secrets," but re-invigorating the vampiric mind-destroying by way of a new mechanic that the whole guild-flavor utilizes (ie grinding). Awesome. And he's the guild champion, not its leader, so it makes a lot of sense that he's just a much more pronounced expression of what the whole guild is doing. Even fuller, more consistent Dimir flavor than I realized!
No offense, but I wonder if the only thing Merko Vosk is missing is that he can't shock you out of your nostalgia.
To each their own, I guess.
—Karn, silver golem