I am doing Common Print Run, I think i can finish it with my ~45 Packs. With 30 Packs i was at 12 Gaps, i need to close about 8 of them. Uncommon is more difficult.
To helps anyone who wants to do it:
First 2-4 Cards are always Monocolored cards.
Next 2-4 (most times 2) are Multicolored commons +Mugging&Grisly Spectacle. (Maybe 1 or 2 other cards, but i dont think so. But I could not distinct those 2 cards to middle or bottom)
Last 2-6 Commons are the Rest, including all Guildgates, Prophetic Prism.
With the Information about the Middle Cards you can easily Map it.
I am doing Common Print Run, I think i can finish it with my ~45 Packs. With 30 Packs i was at 12 Gaps, i need to close about 8 of them. Uncommon is more difficult.
To helps anyone who wants to do it:
First 2-4 Cards are always Monocolored cards.
Next 2-4 (most times 2) are Multicolored commons +Mugging&Grisly Spectacle. (Maybe 1 or 2 other cards, but i dont think so. But I could not distinct those 2 cards to middle or bottom)
Last 2-6 Commons are the Rest, including all Guildgates, Prophetic Prism.
With the Information about the Middle Cards you can easily Map it.
It's good that someone is looking into the common data. I've always been curious how Wizards distributes the commons for drafting purposes.
In regards to the ethics issue, I kind of got the impression that this might be a vocal minority situation. There was a guy who was rather anti box mapping in a thread called Box Mapping: Ross Edwards in general. It could have been the same guy. Regardless, hopefully once it's open again we can have a civil discussion on the issue.
I believe you might not be able to see it because there is a post and time limit set on Community Issues. I'm not sure what the specifics are, but I think after 2 weeks and/or x amount of posts you will able to view the discussion (provided it gets unlocked).
Fair enough. I'll try and keep an eye out for it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Maybe if we can get some of the box mapping enthusiasts posting it won't appear to be so ethically one sided.
Also, Good news everyone! I am finished with Track B. I just need to check it against another list or two before I give it the 95% seal of approval.
Fair enough. I'll try and keep an eye out for it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Maybe if we can get some of the box mapping enthusiasts posting it won't appear to be so ethically one sided.
Also, Good news everyone! I am finished with Track B. I just need to check it against another list or two before I give it the 95% seal of approval.
I can't wait to see it all done since I might pick up another box or 2 of GTC and get a few good cards for my decks and then draft the rest with friends for lols. We have a few standard players, but mainly drafters and edh players
I can't wait to see it all done since I might pick up another box or 2 of GTC and get a few good cards for my decks and then draft the rest with friends for lols. We have a few standard players, but mainly drafters and edh players
It's getting close. I might go pick up a box tonight to test out the tracks. Unfortunately, there are multiple sequences this time around. So it might take a few more packs than normal to figure it out.
It's getting close. I might go pick up a box tonight to test out the tracks. Unfortunately, there are multiple sequences this time around. So it might take a few more packs than normal to figure it out.
Excellent. I'm currently running through ~ 20 boxes posted here that I believe to have very solid data. So I should have something to compare with yours pretty soon.
Excellent. I'm currently running through ~ 20 boxes posted here that I believe to have very solid data. So I should have something to compare with yours pretty soon.
Can't wait to see the results and see the upcoming app for GTC. I am already thinking about starting in buying boxes to map for rares I need and to draft with friends.
Excellent. I'm currently running through ~ 20 boxes posted here that I believe to have very solid data. So I should have something to compare with yours pretty soon.
Awesome, whenever you finish your list, go ahead and compare it to the latest set of tracks. I usually keep them as close to my current version as possible. I'm not sure if it helps or not, but it looks like Stolen Identity can be found once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Additionally, Spark Trooper may be on both tracks C and D. I'm not 100% on that last one. I'm still testing it the idea.
Thank you for posting the link to that thread... I always wondered why MTGS continues to allow threads that openly promote gaining the system. I'll admit even I have been tempted to use threads like these to take advantage, but my conscience has kept me from doing so.
Predictably the thread SynthesisB linked to came down to those who map boxes (and by extension profit from it) defending the practice for any and every reason...."Jesus told me box mapping was okay!"
Those who are looking at the practice objectively can't help but see it as a way to defraud people. If you purchase a box, cherry pick the best cards and then resell the remaining packs, you have unfairly gained the system. It doesn't matter that what's left is random...it is random jank.
I understand that somewhere this information is going to be posted anyway, but MTGS does not need to encourage this. Threads on box mapping should be limited to making people aware that this is a practice and how to protect themselves from it, as opposed to providing a guide to scamming as this has become.
Add me to the growing number of people who oppose these threads appearing on MTGS and would ask that the moderators review this subject.
I understand there very strong feelings against Box Mapping, and that thread is an excellent place to voice such opinions (When it reopens). Until then, I am going to keep to task and solve the map. I'll leave the ethics for others to discuss.
Also, I added a fourth track. I'm starting to think that they are randomly creating sequences rather than there being a finite number. I'll keep adding them as I find them.
If those people think this is the only possible motive for box mapping, then they are hardly looking at things objectively. Your summary of the thread is also woefully lacking objectivity.
But this thread is not the place for the discussion. The thread will probably be unlocked eventually, and that is the place for it. I'm just calling attention to the discussion because the people here could provide uniquely valuable insight. The timing was unfortunate because the thread was temporarily locked soon after I made the post. However, that is not an excuse to derail this thread further and use it to continue that discussion here, regardless of which side you take, if any.
Once the other thread opens up we can continue there. If someone just can't wait, instead of further discussing it here, ask one of the mods to unlock the other thread.
Exactly, let's stay to task, guys. If you have more boxes, please consider posting them instead of waiting for the maps. I can't tell you how valuable a box is with the guild icons listed.
Personally, I never bothered to figure out the actual mapping technique. I just like looking at box data and the completed map because they give me an indication of what cards are often associated with one another. This is particularly useful after having drafted from a fresh booster box at my LGS; if I know what people have opened, I'll sometimes buy a few packs to chase a mythic closely associated with an opened mythic, just because the odds are better due to most of the packs having been used for the draft. That's about the only why map knowledge has benefited me in the past.
Having said that, we know that people will exploit this knowledge to varying degrees. I don't know if that means MTGS should ban discussion because of it, as interested parties can simply take the discussion elsewhere and the sharks will continue to cheat unsuspecting parties for as long as the method is viable. But it's undeniable that making the maps easily available makes it that much easier for a crook to cheat someone out of his or her money.
I understand we can all weight in on this, but let's try and nip this conversation in the bud. I get the impression the mods closed that thread for a reason. I'm trying to avoid that in this thread. We need the flow of box data to continue mapping.
Awesome, whenever you finish your list, go ahead and compare it to the latest set of tracks. I usually keep them as close to my current version as possible. I'm not sure if it helps or not, but it looks like Stolen Identity can be found once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Additionally, Spark Trooper may be on both tracks C and D. I'm not 100% on that last one. I'm still testing it the idea.
Have you found any inconsistencies with the Tracks I posted earlier? They should all be almost entirely correct from what I looked at. Stolen Identity is indeed the rare that appears once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Spark Trooper is on Track C and D twice, it was one of the hardest to pin down.
I don't think figuring out the Tracks is the difficult part. The thing about this set which will make mapping difficult and possibly very impractical is the number of different sequences in use and that they don't seem to always repeat when they end. I have a feeling WotC is close to making mapping pointless to do from a value standpoint with the number of packs you'll have to burn to figure out where you are in the box.
Have you found any inconsistencies with the Tracks I posted earlier? They should all be almost entirely correct from what I looked at. Stolen Identity is indeed the rare that appears once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Spark Trooper is on Track C and D twice, it was one of the hardest to pin down.
I don't think figuring out the Tracks is the difficult part. The thing about this set which will make mapping difficult and possibly very impractical is the number of different sequences in use and that they don't seem to always repeat when they end. I have a feeling WotC is close to making mapping pointless to do from a value standpoint with the number of packs you'll have to burn to figure out where you are in the box.
So far I haven't found any problems, I just want to double check and make sure. My Track C and your Track C seemed to differ a bit. I still haven't figured that out. Right now I'm looking at Ross' data. Seems he found a Kermit the Frog. Who said box mappers don't have a sense of humor.
Anyways, the sequences are going to be a pain. Maybe if we get enough sequences we can figure out the sequencing algorithm? It's probably unlikely, but it's something to think about.
Alright, time to take a break for a bit. The newest version of the Tracks are posted. Track C is still a mess. The others should be safe enough to use. Someone do me a favor and keep everyone on topic while I'm gone. Have fun, guys.
Center
Watery Grave
Legion Loyalist
Fathom Mage
Consuming Aberration
Breeding Pool
Clan Defiance
High Priest of Penance
Hellkite Tyrant
Blind Obediance
Lord of the Void
Firemane Avenger
Rubblehulk
Right
Aurelia, the Warleader
Foundry Champion
Treasury Thrull
Duluvian Primordial
Five-Alarm Fire
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Master Biomancer
Assemble the Legion
Stomping Ground
Boros Reckoner
Illusionist's Bracers
Undercity Plague
Box 2
Left
Luminate Primordial
Angelic Skirmisher
Enter the Infinite
Thespian's Stage
Consuming Aberration
Crypt Ghast
Blind Obedience
High Priest of Penance
Godless Shrine
Biovisionary
Glaring Spotlight
Sacred Foundry
Center
Stolen Identity
Mind Grind
Nightveil Specter
Domri Rade
Sylvan Primordial
Frontline Medic
Ogre Slumlord
Realmwright
Simic Manipulator
Ooze Flux
Molten Primordial
Merciless Eviction
Right
Clan Defiance
Diluvian Primordial
Fathom Mage
Spark Trooper
Breeding Pool
Immortal Servitude
Gruul Ragebeast
Soul Ransom
Gyre Sage
Duskmantle Seer
Foundry Champion
Signal the Clans
Parred box data (without using a map I'm just opening packs and stopping once I have four Mythics):
Box 3
Left
Signal the Clans
Hellkite Tyrant
Borborygmos Enraged
Sylvan Primordial
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Gyre Sage
Sepulchral Primordial
Assemble the Legion
Mind Grind
Godless Shrine
Realmwright
Lord of the Void
Center
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Right
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The third box was sick. Four mythics in one column!
Box 4
Left
Clan Defiance
Mind Grind
Godless Shrine
Foundry Champion
Realmwright
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Center
Wrecking Ogre
Obzedat, Ghost Council
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Right
Ooze Flux
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Prime Speaker Zegana
Nightveil Specter
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Thespian's Stage
Mystic Genesis
Blind Obedience
Molten Primordial
Sacred Foundry
Sephulchral Primordial
Gruul Ragebeast
I haven't been paying attention to the thread so I'm not sure if anyone else had a box like this. Two Gideons in one box caught me by surprise! I also just noticed that the four mythics were all in the top half of the box.
"A rich man thinks all other people are rich, and an intelligent man thinks all other people are similarly gifted. Both are always terribly shocked when they discover the truth of the world. You, my dear brother, are a pious man." - Strahd von Zarovich
finally i feel like there has been some headway for the anti mapping camp. i did break down and buy a fat pack, the only sure way to buy at a bigbox store. raadi and a fury thank you very much, the wotc karma fairy was looking out for me
Have you found any inconsistencies with the Tracks I posted earlier? They should all be almost entirely correct from what I looked at. Stolen Identity is indeed the rare that appears once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Spark Trooper is on Track C and D twice, it was one of the hardest to pin down.
I just compared my lists with yours, everything matches up except on Track B, I have Illusionists Bracers and Biomass Mutation swapped from what you have:
Also the three track sequences worked great on all boxes with sleeve information posted. -- Except for the boxes with sleeves that could not be unscrambled. Either we have some really weird pack shifting aside from the usual row shifts, or the boxes got shuffled around in shipment a bit. These inconsistencies might be making it look like there are more track sequences than there really are.
Or maybe these boxes that have really messed up pack sleeves are where they are switching track sequences mid box.
I haven't been paying attention to the thread so I'm not sure if anyone else had a box like this. Two Gideons in one box caught me by surprise! I also just noticed that the four mythics were all in the top half of the box.
Yeah, Gideon is surprising close to himself on the A track... He's also fairly close to Obzedat... I figure there will be a good handful of double Gideon + Obzedat boxes popping up.
Also, anti-box mappers: I can't speak for everyone, but I enjoy box-mapping as a edifying experience. The orders of cards, the puzzle, and the possibility of locating the rares in a box excite me. I also plan on mapping a box and creating a nice sealed environment to start a friend in. He is new to magic and if I can insure that his pool contains one sweet mythic it will sweeten the experience. It also means I can find my shocks before drafting or pack wars.
My reasons are subjective, but is there anything terribly wrong about that? If a person was ripped off by a box mapper they would likely have a bias against those who map. It's understandable, but it doesn't mean that they should tell us not to map. I'm certain that if someone announced that yet were planning to rip off some people we would report them an heckle them off the thread.
TL;DR: I understand the anti-mapper point of view, but try to understand the well-intentioned group of us on this thread.
Yeah, Gideon is surprising close to himself on the A track... He's also fairly close to Obzedat... I figure there will be a good handful of double Gideon + Obzedat boxes popping up.
Sadly, if you look at the A track...Enter the Infinite is rather close to itself as well (though it involves looking at it wrapping back around to the top, so it may not be very obvious at first.) How did I notice this? Take a guess. /sadpanda.
Once I got a few things sorted out, I've managed to successfully predict a couple of packs, which is pretty cool, actually. Still have five packs to open, but I want to try to sort out my top half issues first. I've had some pretty serious displacements, looks like.
Right:
Signal the Clans
High Priest of Penance
Hellkite Tyrant
Assemble the Legions (Metropolis Sprite)
Master Biomancer
Lord of the Void
Realmwright
Simic Manipulator
Mind Grind
Skarrg Goliath
Unexpected Results
Signal the Clans (Island)
Left
Biovisionary
Crypt Ghast
Immortal Servitude
Illusionist’s Bracers
Angelic Skermisher
Signal the Clans
Soul Ransom
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Foundry Champion
Lord of the Void
Molten Primordial
Alms Beast
Right
Boros Reckoner
Stomping Ground
Undercity Plague
Molten Primordial
Biomas Mutation
Mind Grind
Watery Grave
Fathom Mage
High Priest of Penance
Diluvian Primordial
Breeding Pool
Frontline Medic
Sorry I opened this before I knew about the pack art idea.
And as a side note, I have a 12 year old who likes to play and we open packs and will do sealed stuff just the two of us or with some friends with other kids who play. He and the other kids also like to destroy the cards they use (because they're 12 and thats what 12 year old boys do) Box mapping is a way to play knowing your not going to be handing over a $40 card that will soon be worth $0. True storys, my son pulled a bonfire of the damned and in his excitement pretty much crushed it. My buddy's son got a Thragtusk and then decided to immerse it in soda.
Keep up the great work guys
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To helps anyone who wants to do it:
First 2-4 Cards are always Monocolored cards.
Next 2-4 (most times 2) are Multicolored commons +Mugging&Grisly Spectacle. (Maybe 1 or 2 other cards, but i dont think so. But I could not distinct those 2 cards to middle or bottom)
Last 2-6 Commons are the Rest, including all Guildgates, Prophetic Prism.
With the Information about the Middle Cards you can easily Map it.
For Example:
Massive Raid
Metropolis Sprite
Angelic Edict
Devour Flesh
Pit Fight
Executioner's Swing
Furious Resistance
Keymaster Rogue
Death's Approach
Millennial Gargoyle
Zameck Guildmage
Gridlock
Wright of Precinct Six
Treasury Thrull
It's good that someone is looking into the common data. I've always been curious how Wizards distributes the commons for drafting purposes.
In regards to the ethics issue, I kind of got the impression that this might be a vocal minority situation. There was a guy who was rather anti box mapping in a thread called Box Mapping: Ross Edwards in general. It could have been the same guy. Regardless, hopefully once it's open again we can have a civil discussion on the issue.
Fair enough. I'll try and keep an eye out for it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Maybe if we can get some of the box mapping enthusiasts posting it won't appear to be so ethically one sided.
Also, Good news everyone! I am finished with Track B. I just need to check it against another list or two before I give it the 95% seal of approval.
I can't wait to see it all done since I might pick up another box or 2 of GTC and get a few good cards for my decks and then draft the rest with friends for lols. We have a few standard players, but mainly drafters and edh players
It's getting close. I might go pick up a box tonight to test out the tracks. Unfortunately, there are multiple sequences this time around. So it might take a few more packs than normal to figure it out.
Excellent. I'm currently running through ~ 20 boxes posted here that I believe to have very solid data. So I should have something to compare with yours pretty soon.
Can't wait to see the results and see the upcoming app for GTC. I am already thinking about starting in buying boxes to map for rares I need and to draft with friends.
Awesome, whenever you finish your list, go ahead and compare it to the latest set of tracks. I usually keep them as close to my current version as possible. I'm not sure if it helps or not, but it looks like Stolen Identity can be found once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Additionally, Spark Trooper may be on both tracks C and D. I'm not 100% on that last one. I'm still testing it the idea.
I understand there very strong feelings against Box Mapping, and that thread is an excellent place to voice such opinions (When it reopens). Until then, I am going to keep to task and solve the map. I'll leave the ethics for others to discuss.
Also, I added a fourth track. I'm starting to think that they are randomly creating sequences rather than there being a finite number. I'll keep adding them as I find them.
Exactly, let's stay to task, guys. If you have more boxes, please consider posting them instead of waiting for the maps. I can't tell you how valuable a box is with the guild icons listed.
Having said that, we know that people will exploit this knowledge to varying degrees. I don't know if that means MTGS should ban discussion because of it, as interested parties can simply take the discussion elsewhere and the sharks will continue to cheat unsuspecting parties for as long as the method is viable. But it's undeniable that making the maps easily available makes it that much easier for a crook to cheat someone out of his or her money.
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If someone wants to help, here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaPnatDMvvs&lc=uDDbOkYVSsjM-YySI7qa_p0iBWvIVDwP8cNQYqmWSk8
Link to cubetutor:
http://cubetutor.com/cubeblog/10113
LuBuFu, got the data for your box:
Packs not rearranged.
Left:
3 Frontline Medic
1 Undercity Plague
2 Immortal Servitude
4 Fathom Mage (Plains)
5 Stolen Identity
1 Skarrg Goliath
5 Domri Rade
2 High Priest of Penance
3 Ogre Slumlord
4 Wrecking Ogre
1 Giant Adephage
2 Angelic Skirmisher (Sage's Row Denizen)
Middle:
1 Aurelia
4 Stolen Identity
5 Stomping Grounds
2 Duskmantle Seer (Rapid Hybridisation)
3 Signal the Clans
4 Merciless Eviction
3 Sacred Foundry
5 Blind Obedience (Contaminated Ground)
1 Legion Loyalist
2 Firemane Avenger
4 Alms Beast
5 Realmwright
Right:
4 Simic Manipulator
2 Luminate Primordial
3 Sepulchral Primordial
5 Ooze Flux (Firemane Avenger)
1 Angelic Skirmisher
2 Prime Speaker Zegana
1 Watery Grave (Court Street Denizen)
3 Glaring Spotlight
4 Boros Reckoner
5 Rubblebelt Raider
2 Biovisionary (Cinder Elemental)
3 Gyre Sage
Link to cubetutor:
http://cubetutor.com/cubeblog/10113
Have you found any inconsistencies with the Tracks I posted earlier? They should all be almost entirely correct from what I looked at. Stolen Identity is indeed the rare that appears once on Track A and 3 times on Track B. Spark Trooper is on Track C and D twice, it was one of the hardest to pin down.
I don't think figuring out the Tracks is the difficult part. The thing about this set which will make mapping difficult and possibly very impractical is the number of different sequences in use and that they don't seem to always repeat when they end. I have a feeling WotC is close to making mapping pointless to do from a value standpoint with the number of packs you'll have to burn to figure out where you are in the box.
So far I haven't found any problems, I just want to double check and make sure. My Track C and your Track C seemed to differ a bit. I still haven't figured that out. Right now I'm looking at Ross' data. Seems he found a Kermit the Frog. Who said box mappers don't have a sense of humor.
Anyways, the sequences are going to be a pain. Maybe if we get enough sequences we can figure out the sequencing algorithm? It's probably unlikely, but it's something to think about.
Alright, time to take a break for a bit. The newest version of the Tracks are posted. Track C is still a mess. The others should be safe enough to use. Someone do me a favor and keep everyone on topic while I'm gone. Have fun, guys.
Box 1
Left
Ogre Slumlord
Whispering Madness
Skarrg Goliath
Immortal Servitude
Sepulchral Primordial
Unexpected Results
Biovisionary
Ooze Flux
Sylvan Primordial
Treasury Thrull
Whispering Madness
Biomass Mutation
Center
Watery Grave
Legion Loyalist
Fathom Mage
Consuming Aberration
Breeding Pool
Clan Defiance
High Priest of Penance
Hellkite Tyrant
Blind Obediance
Lord of the Void
Firemane Avenger
Rubblehulk
Right
Aurelia, the Warleader
Foundry Champion
Treasury Thrull
Duluvian Primordial
Five-Alarm Fire
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Master Biomancer
Assemble the Legion
Stomping Ground
Boros Reckoner
Illusionist's Bracers
Undercity Plague
Box 2
Left
Luminate Primordial
Angelic Skirmisher
Enter the Infinite
Thespian's Stage
Consuming Aberration
Crypt Ghast
Blind Obedience
High Priest of Penance
Godless Shrine
Biovisionary
Glaring Spotlight
Sacred Foundry
Center
Stolen Identity
Mind Grind
Nightveil Specter
Domri Rade
Sylvan Primordial
Frontline Medic
Ogre Slumlord
Realmwright
Simic Manipulator
Ooze Flux
Molten Primordial
Merciless Eviction
Right
Clan Defiance
Diluvian Primordial
Fathom Mage
Spark Trooper
Breeding Pool
Immortal Servitude
Gruul Ragebeast
Soul Ransom
Gyre Sage
Duskmantle Seer
Foundry Champion
Signal the Clans
Parred box data (without using a map I'm just opening packs and stopping once I have four Mythics):
Box 3
Left
Signal the Clans
Hellkite Tyrant
Borborygmos Enraged
Sylvan Primordial
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Gyre Sage
Sepulchral Primordial
Assemble the Legion
Mind Grind
Godless Shrine
Realmwright
Lord of the Void
Center
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The third box was sick. Four mythics in one column!
Box 4
Left
Clan Defiance
Mind Grind
Godless Shrine
Foundry Champion
Realmwright
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Center
Wrecking Ogre
Obzedat, Ghost Council
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Right
Ooze Flux
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Prime Speaker Zegana
Nightveil Specter
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Thespian's Stage
Mystic Genesis
Blind Obedience
Molten Primordial
Sacred Foundry
Sephulchral Primordial
Gruul Ragebeast
I haven't been paying attention to the thread so I'm not sure if anyone else had a box like this. Two Gideons in one box caught me by surprise! I also just noticed that the four mythics were all in the top half of the box.
finally i feel like there has been some headway for the anti mapping camp. i did break down and buy a fat pack, the only sure way to buy at a bigbox store. raadi and a fury thank you very much, the wotc karma fairy was looking out for me
I just compared my lists with yours, everything matches up except on Track B, I have Illusionists Bracers and Biomass Mutation swapped from what you have:
i++;Track[1,i]=GTCStomping_Ground;
i++;Track[1,i]=GTCBiovisionary;
i++;Track[1,i]=GTCIllusionists_Bracers;
i++;Track[1,i]=GTCBiomass_Mutation;
i++;Track[1,i]=GTCFathom_Mage;
Also the three track sequences worked great on all boxes with sleeve information posted. -- Except for the boxes with sleeves that could not be unscrambled. Either we have some really weird pack shifting aside from the usual row shifts, or the boxes got shuffled around in shipment a bit. These inconsistencies might be making it look like there are more track sequences than there really are.
Or maybe these boxes that have really messed up pack sleeves are where they are switching track sequences mid box.
Yeah, Gideon is surprising close to himself on the A track... He's also fairly close to Obzedat... I figure there will be a good handful of double Gideon + Obzedat boxes popping up.
Also, anti-box mappers: I can't speak for everyone, but I enjoy box-mapping as a edifying experience. The orders of cards, the puzzle, and the possibility of locating the rares in a box excite me. I also plan on mapping a box and creating a nice sealed environment to start a friend in. He is new to magic and if I can insure that his pool contains one sweet mythic it will sweeten the experience. It also means I can find my shocks before drafting or pack wars.
My reasons are subjective, but is there anything terribly wrong about that? If a person was ripped off by a box mapper they would likely have a bias against those who map. It's understandable, but it doesn't mean that they should tell us not to map. I'm certain that if someone announced that yet were planning to rip off some people we would report them an heckle them off the thread.
TL;DR: I understand the anti-mapper point of view, but try to understand the well-intentioned group of us on this thread.
Left:
1 Unexpected results
2 Stomping Grounds (Thespian's Stage)
3 Whispering Madness
4 Legion Loyalist
5 Five-Alarm Fire
1 Illusionist's Braces
2 Angelic Skirmisher
2 Biomass Mutation
3 Thespian's Stage
4 Godless Shrine (Mountain #265)
5 Darkmantle Seer
1 Crypt Ghast (Assemble the Legion)
Center:
4 Master Biomancer
5 Lord of the Void
1 Undercity Plague (Ember Beast)
2 Biovisionary
3 Crypt Ghast
4 Molten Primordial
5 Fathom Mage
5 Luminate Prinordial
1 Stolen Identity
2 Soul Ransom
3 Foundry Champion
4 Rubblebelt Raiders
Right:
2 Nightveil Specter
3 Treasury Thrull
4 Signal the Clans
5 Mind Grind
1 Enter the Infinite
2 Boros Reckoner (Horror of the Dim)
4 Alms Beast
3 Grull Ragebeast (Grull Keyrune)
4 Consuming Aberration
5 Signal the Clans
1 Breeding Pool
2 Diluvian Primordial
Sadly, if you look at the A track...Enter the Infinite is rather close to itself as well (though it involves looking at it wrapping back around to the top, so it may not be very obvious at first.) How did I notice this? Take a guess. /sadpanda.
Once I got a few things sorted out, I've managed to successfully predict a couple of packs, which is pretty cool, actually. Still have five packs to open, but I want to try to sort out my top half issues first. I've had some pretty serious displacements, looks like.
Middle box,on the top, and its a sweet night so lets open goodness
Mythic
Foil
Mythic Foil
Code:JRVH7LB
Left:
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Firemane Avenger
Merciless Eviction
Watery Grave
Luminate Primordial
Sepulchral Primordial (Bioshift)
Whispering Madness
Ogre Slumlord
Breeding Pool
Treasury Thrull
Boros Reckoner
Undercity Plague
Middle:
Consuming Aberration (Gutter Skulk)
Gyre Sage
Rubblebelt Raiders (Clan Defiance)
Sacred Foundry
Alms Beast
Illusionist's Bracers (Forest)
Angelic Skirmisher
Fathom Mage
Immortal Servitude (Shielded Passage)
Enter the Infinite
Blind Obedience
Domri Rade
Right:
Signal the Clans
High Priest of Penance
Hellkite Tyrant
Assemble the Legions (Metropolis Sprite)
Master Biomancer
Lord of the Void
Realmwright
Simic Manipulator
Mind Grind
Skarrg Goliath
Unexpected Results
Signal the Clans (Island)
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyBiovisionary
Crypt Ghast
Immortal Servitude
Illusionist’s Bracers
Angelic Skermisher
Signal the Clans
Soul Ransom
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Foundry Champion
Lord of the Void
Molten Primordial
Alms Beast
Middle
Obzedat, Ghost Council
Legion Loyalist
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Luminate Primordial
Ooze Flux
Godless Shrine
Crypt Chast
Skarrg Goliath
Stolen Identy
Rubblebelt Raiders
Firemane Avenger
Gyre Sage
Right
Boros Reckoner
Stomping Ground
Undercity Plague
Molten Primordial
Biomas Mutation
Mind Grind
Watery Grave
Fathom Mage
High Priest of Penance
Diluvian Primordial
Breeding Pool
Frontline Medic
Sorry I opened this before I knew about the pack art idea.
And as a side note, I have a 12 year old who likes to play and we open packs and will do sealed stuff just the two of us or with some friends with other kids who play. He and the other kids also like to destroy the cards they use (because they're 12 and thats what 12 year old boys do) Box mapping is a way to play knowing your not going to be handing over a $40 card that will soon be worth $0. True storys, my son pulled a bonfire of the damned and in his excitement pretty much crushed it. My buddy's son got a Thragtusk and then decided to immerse it in soda.
Keep up the great work guys