90% of modern players hate eggs, hated watching their opponent play solitaire for 20 minutes.
Interesting fact 90% of statistics are made up on the spot...
Just because eggs doesn't interact with you in the form of direct answers doesn't mean it's not an interactive game. As the non-egg player you try to cripple or more often delay the combo with counterspells, targeted discard, and sometimes even removal. The interactive part of these types of games aren't just spells though, you also adjust your play style to force them to make a play error especially with calculated bluffs. Eggs players don't just fizzle because oops they kept the wrong hand or the stars didn't align they fizzle because of decisions their opponents made. So it is in fact an interactive deck if you actually understand it. I find Splinter twin is much less interactive because like every other 2 card combo deck they sit on a bunch of counter spells for the express purpose of keeping you from interacting with them. Same thing with turbo fog. The only real reason to play that deck is to make people angry.
The reason for the banning was that the deck is too complicated. You can't just look at someones hand and say discard second sunrise because it is the signature card. You have to understand the context of each cards in their hand and be able to accurately guess what turn they can go off in order to properly disrupt them and that's hard. The reason it won the pro tour is because it favors skill so heavily (like control). It should be easily apparent that Wotc does not want magic to be too skill based because they don't want their new customer base to get thrashed (like all the kids playing eggs with no clue on how to pilot it). If Wotc was actually just concerned about time limits they would have amended the rules so that it was never a problem again rather than banning a deck that they didn't like.
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Just because eggs doesn't interact with you in the form of direct answers doesn't mean it's not an interactive game.
Its not about it being non-interactive, or the fact that it is a combo.
It is the fact that it is a combo deck that requires 20-30 minutes to win within 1 turn.
Take splinter twin as a counterexample, you need 2 actions, and if your opponent doesnt react to those 2, you can just state how often you want to repeat it, and win accordingly.
Same with melira pod.
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Yeah, too bad the mana base cost to get into Legacy is out of many people's budgets, eh?
You could spend anywhere from 200-500$ a year on standard cards that are worth 100$ after they rotate and play battle of the haymakers against the same 2-3 decks every round of a tournement.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ on a legacy deck containing cards which have their value increases by 20% every year. So you actually profit if you decide to sell your deck. And in the meantime you get to the play the most fun, diverse, skill intensive format in existence.
For those who played Eggs:
Just use Open the Vaults .... you can still win but 1, 2 turns later
put some Wrath of God /Supreme Verdict
or make it more like a controll deck
people will still play Eggs
If you don't (because it turned out to be a less consistent deck) then make another deck
People saying that they will stop playing the format or the deck cause one card got banned is like children crying
If you can't make something original ---- can only play with a wining list soo go to legacy and take a winnig deck from there.
You could spend anywhere from 200-500$ a year on standard cards that are worth 100$ after they rotate and play battle of the haymakers against the same 2-3 decks every round of a tournement.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ on a legacy deck containing cards which have their value increases by 20% every year. So you actually profit if you decide to sell your deck. And in the meantime you get to the play the most fun, diverse, skill intensive format in existence.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Legacy also has way better budget decks than Modern does. Modern's budget deck was eggs, which was horribly unfun to play with or against. When I first got into Legacy I was able to build a fun and cheap Burn deck for less than a hundred dollars and won tournament with it.
my three modern decks cost as much as my one legacy deck. modern caps at about 1100(five color zoo) legacy gets much higher than that. Athoug based on your location i assume you are a jupiter regular so i understand the legacy master race mentality that you have .
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edit: i will also note that modern has had gross price increases all across the board, my thoughtsiezes doubled, my fetches doubled, and my hierarchs and kikijikis also went for an upward ride. None of them have been banned and even if kiki jiki is banned virtually all of the pices have homes in other tier one decks. Acting like banning instability is a major financial sink is intellectually dishonest at best.
You could spend anywhere from 200-500$ a year on standard cards that are worth 100$ after they rotate and play battle of the haymakers against the same 2-3 decks every round of a tournement.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ on a legacy deck containing cards which have their value increases by 20% every year. So you actually profit if you decide to sell your deck. And in the meantime you get to the play the most fun, diverse, skill intensive format in existence.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Considering SCG is dropping Legacy like a hot potato, you will very soon be unable to either sell your cards at a profit or play the format on a regular basis outside of casual play. I realize that people who love Legacy love it for really good reasons and want to evangelize it, but now is the worst possible time to buy into the format and encouraging people to do so is wrong.
Considering SCG is dropping Legacy like a hot potato, you will very soon be unable to either sell your cards at a profit or play the format on a regular basis outside of casual play. I realize that people who love Legacy love it for really good reasons and want to evangelize it, but now is the worst possible time to buy into the format and encouraging people to do so is wrong.
Sure, let's just keep making things up.
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Considering SCG is dropping Legacy like a hot potato, you will very soon be unable to either sell your cards at a profit or play the format on a regular basis outside of casual play. I realize that people who love Legacy love it for really good reasons and want to evangelize it, but now is the worst possible time to buy into the format and encouraging people to do so is wrong.
I'm wondering about begining to play Legacy and want to know more about what you are saying.
What is the part of 'fact' and the part of 'opinion' in what you are saying?
Considering SCG is dropping Legacy like a hot potato, you will very soon be unable to either sell your cards at a profit or play the format on a regular basis outside of casual play. I realize that people who love Legacy love it for really good reasons and want to evangelize it, but now is the worst possible time to buy into the format and encouraging people to do so is wrong.
SCG is not dropping Legacy, they are trying out other formats in areas with traditionally low Legacy attendance. They don't drop the format because they have tons of Legacy staples and want them to maintain their value.
I have no idea what you could think I'm making up here. SCG has already dropped Legacy support in favor of Sunday Standard or Sealed at about half of its remaining Opens for the year. Legacy is no longer the cash cow that it used to be for SCG, and since they are literally the only people still seriously supporting it as a format, the fact that they are beginning to drop it is incredibly relevant to the future of the format and the wisdom of investing in it.
Legacy will always have people who adore it and will do whatever they can to play it. I'm not trying to argue that it's a bad format. I'm saying that it's an unprofitable format to support, and that bodes poorly for it in terms of investment potential.
SCG is not dropping Legacy, they are trying out other formats in areas with traditionally low Legacy attendance. They don't drop the format because they have tons of Legacy staples and want them to maintain their value.
They aren't dropping the format yet, that's true. But it doesn't take a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing here.
I have no idea what you could think I'm making up here. SCG has already dropped Legacy support in favor of Sunday Standard or Sealed at about half of its remaining Opens for the year. Legacy is no longer the cash cow that it used to be for SCG, and since they are literally the only people still seriously supporting it as a format, the fact that they are beginning to drop it is incredibly relevant to the future of the format and the wisdom of investing in it.
Legacy will always have people who adore it and will do whatever they can to play it. I'm not trying to argue that it's a bad format. I'm saying that it's an unprofitable format to support, and that bodes poorly for it in terms of investment potential.
I saw this happen with Vintage. Slowly shops just stopped having Vintage events in favor of other formats like Legacy and Standard. Vintage still has aa following and people still want Vintage cards, but try finding a tournament somewhere. Due to the reserve list, Legacy is going to go the way of Vintage. There are just not enough cards to go around and WOTC isn't going to reprint them. Effectivley, Legacy will price itself out.
You could spend anywhere from 200-500$ a year on standard cards that are worth 100$ after they rotate and play battle of the haymakers against the same 2-3 decks every round of a tournement.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ on a legacy deck containing cards which have their value increases by 20% every year. So you actually profit if you decide to sell your deck. And in the meantime you get to the play the most fun, diverse, skill intensive format in existence.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Yep. You draft, play EDH and build a cube and leave organized play to the people who don't read articles where even the most elite players on the pro tour point out that high level play barely becomes "worth it" beyond the experience and the community.
You know what? So what if Legacy dies on the tournament circuit? We have 18 guys at our LGS who'll be playing Legacy until they're dead and buried.
I have yet to play at a major Legacy event. So what? We have 2 LGS near us running Legacy on Saturday. We could give 2 ****s what the outside world is doing and that includes SCG. Let them drop Legacy. At the local level, if you want to play, Legacy will never die.
You know what? So what if Legacy dies on the tournament circuit? We have 18 guys at our LGS who'll be playing Legacy until they're dead and buried.
I have yet to play at a major Legacy event. So what? We have 2 LGS near us running Legacy on Saturday. We could give 2 ****s what the outside world is doing and that includes SCG. Let them drop Legacy. At the local level, if you want to play, Legacy will never die.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
So we are back on the "Whatever happens at LBS's gaming store is how it is everywhere?" I thought we had moved past that.
We are not talking about your individual Legacy scene. No one cares about that. We are talking about the overall health of Legacy as a popular format played at a wide scale. Not what you and a couple guys get together and do every Saturday.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
Outside the initial list and the post PT update, name one ban that has killed an entire deck in Modern in the last 2 years.
Jund is fine without BBS. Storm survives after SS. Eggs will keep on without Second Sunrise. And all those banned cards cost less than $5.
The only constant is people exaggerating the impact of a card getting banned in Modern.
You know what? So what if Legacy dies on the tournament circuit? We have 18 guys at our LGS who'll be playing Legacy until they're dead and buried.
I have yet to play at a major Legacy event. So what? We have 2 LGS near us running Legacy on Saturday. We could give 2 ****s what the outside world is doing and that includes SCG. Let them drop Legacy. At the local level, if you want to play, Legacy will never die.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
See guys, Legacy, just like Vintage will still have a following.
We are not talking about your individual Legacy scene. No one cares about that.
And I don't give a crap about SCG. Legacy doesn't need SCG to survive. It did just fine before there ever WAS an SCG and it'll do just fine after SCG is nothing but dust in the wind.
And I don't give a crap about SCG. Legacy doesn't need SCG to survive. It did just fine before there ever WAS an SCG and it'll do just fine after SCG is nothing but dust in the wind.
"Survive" is a pretty low barrier of entry. I'm sure there are still people out there playing 1st edition D&D. While it "survives", I wouldn't exactly call it a healthy scene.
As for the bans themselves, I'm happy with them. Magic thrives when people on both sides of the table are having fun. Magic dies when one person is having fun and the pother person is miserable, and Eggs certainly fit that description. It was like the worst combo deck in history, not only did you not interact with it, it took up the maximum amount of time so you couldn't play Magic, you just sat there and watched paint dry.
the truth is that legacy/Vintage can't afford new player ( not alot) due to the reprint policy
People that says its the best format (part of that is true) and says to forget modern and start play legacy want:
- Value for they cards ( if 1/3 of modern players start to buy legacy's staples or mana base soon the prices will skyrocket)
- New players and fuel the format ( but the format cant afford that many players)( players that can't afford ABU's duals will try shocks and soo not be competitive)
Modern as a format is good for new players A) it is cheap(competitive tiers 1.5 decks are a lot cheap) B) Its easy to understand ( standard wording of card and not a EX: Tap to add 1 colorless mana or to do something....) C) A format that is still being shaped ( new decks always come with new blocks)
C) A format that is still being shaped ( new decks always come with new blocks)
Thats really the biggest point for me. Is Legacy loses it's tourney support, pros stop playing it, new competitive players stop playing it, new archetypes go undiscovered, and it becomes the same old boring decks game after game after game. Without a big tournament scene pushing the boundaries, Legacy gets stale REAL quick.
It;s why I am starting to like Standard more and more. Who cares about the money, at least on a very regular scale the deck archetypes and configurations get shaken up and you get to explore new things.
Thats really the biggest point for me. Is Legacy loses it's tourney support, pros stop playing it, new competitive players stop playing it, new archetypes go undiscovered, and it becomes the same old boring decks game after game after game. Without a big tournament scene pushing the boundaries, Legacy gets stale REAL quick.
It;s why I am starting to like Standard more and more. Who cares about the money, at least on a very regular scale the deck archetypes and configurations get shaken up and you get to explore new things.
Blah, blah, blah. Legacy is dying. Blah, blah, blah.
This song is getting old. Can we please change the channel or at least put on a different record?
The Legacy meta is more diverse than it's ever been in its history. We haven't seen a ban since Mental Misstep which was just the stupidest card ever printed and isn't legal anywhere but Vintage anyway so I can't even count that.
Legacy will be thriving, yes THRIVING, long after you and I are gone from this planet.
I truly dont think that legacy ever will go out.
The difference between cardpools and other formats is still huge, and WotC is still holding legacy GP/PT's.
The only real bottleneck are the dual lands of legacy.
If these would ever see print (yes I know they are on the list) in a collector's edition of any kind it would greatly help with the health of legacy.
And to be honost, to everyone who is completely opposed to this idea due to personal monetary/investment reasons, it only seems as a great opportunity to healthen the format which you invested in and love to play.
I personally would love to see this happen, because I sold all my card 15 years ago when I quit, and I played extended back then quite heavily while in the position of dual lands and FoW.
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Lol, after a day this thread becomes another "LEGACY IS DYING" thread. And oh look Valarin is the biggest perpetrator. What a surprise. The bigger surprise is that the mods haven't locked this thread already. It would be the third of fourth one regarding "LEGACY IS DYING" in the last month or so.
For the record, we have two *weekly* Legacy tournaments here in Madison with 20+ people at both events. My LGS even held a $1,000 tournament last weekend that got 47 players driving from three States. Legacy can survive without SCG just fine, but more importantly, people need to stop making up facts about SCG dropping Legacy at "half" of their remaining events. It is a handful (I believe Orlando was one of them) and Ben Bleiweiss has even said on these very forums that SCG has no plans for a Modern Open or dropping Legacy. Someone even has it sigged.
I have no idea what you could think I'm making up here. SCG has already dropped Legacy support in favor of Sunday Standard or Sealed at about half of its remaining Opens for the year. Legacy is no longer the cash cow that it used to be for SCG, and since they are literally the only people still seriously supporting it as a format, the fact that they are beginning to drop it is incredibly relevant to the future of the format and the wisdom of investing in it.
1) 20/27 starcitygames open series that have two days have legacy.
2) Those that still have legacy are having their numbers increasing, not decreasing. This shows more interest and/or a growing playerbase, not diminishing
3) It's common business sense. If you aren't making money, do something else. I don't blame them for dropping Legacy when they can't make money because it means they can't keep supporting themselves (which wold mean *gasp* no standard tournaments either!). Fun fact: Jace the Mindsculptor has been steadily going up in price for a couple of months now. Know what formats he sees play in? Not modern. Know what else have been going up in price? Duals. Legacy is quite the "cash cow"
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Just because eggs doesn't interact with you in the form of direct answers doesn't mean it's not an interactive game. As the non-egg player you try to cripple or more often delay the combo with counterspells, targeted discard, and sometimes even removal. The interactive part of these types of games aren't just spells though, you also adjust your play style to force them to make a play error especially with calculated bluffs. Eggs players don't just fizzle because oops they kept the wrong hand or the stars didn't align they fizzle because of decisions their opponents made. So it is in fact an interactive deck if you actually understand it. I find Splinter twin is much less interactive because like every other 2 card combo deck they sit on a bunch of counter spells for the express purpose of keeping you from interacting with them. Same thing with turbo fog. The only real reason to play that deck is to make people angry.
The reason for the banning was that the deck is too complicated. You can't just look at someones hand and say discard second sunrise because it is the signature card. You have to understand the context of each cards in their hand and be able to accurately guess what turn they can go off in order to properly disrupt them and that's hard. The reason it won the pro tour is because it favors skill so heavily (like control). It should be easily apparent that Wotc does not want magic to be too skill based because they don't want their new customer base to get thrashed (like all the kids playing eggs with no clue on how to pilot it). If Wotc was actually just concerned about time limits they would have amended the rules so that it was never a problem again rather than banning a deck that they didn't like.
Its not about it being non-interactive, or the fact that it is a combo.
It is the fact that it is a combo deck that requires 20-30 minutes to win within 1 turn.
Take splinter twin as a counterexample, you need 2 actions, and if your opponent doesnt react to those 2, you can just state how often you want to repeat it, and win accordingly.
Same with melira pod.
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You could spend anywhere from 200-500$ a year on standard cards that are worth 100$ after they rotate and play battle of the haymakers against the same 2-3 decks every round of a tournement.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ and build a bad legacy deck (modern). And then have to sell all the cards for half the value when your deck wins a tournament and a key card from it gets banned.
You could spend anywhere from 200-2000$ on a legacy deck containing cards which have their value increases by 20% every year. So you actually profit if you decide to sell your deck. And in the meantime you get to the play the most fun, diverse, skill intensive format in existence.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Yeah, right. Legacy is almost nonexistant outside SCG opens.
I wonder why if it costs the same as Modern and is better as you say.
Just use Open the Vaults .... you can still win but 1, 2 turns later
put some Wrath of God /Supreme Verdict
or make it more like a controll deck
people will still play Eggs
If you don't (because it turned out to be a less consistent deck) then make another deck
People saying that they will stop playing the format or the deck cause one card got banned is like children crying
If you can't make something original ---- can only play with a wining list soo go to legacy and take a winnig deck from there.
Legacy also has way better budget decks than Modern does. Modern's budget deck was eggs, which was horribly unfun to play with or against. When I first got into Legacy I was able to build a fun and cheap Burn deck for less than a hundred dollars and won tournament with it.
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edit: i will also note that modern has had gross price increases all across the board, my thoughtsiezes doubled, my fetches doubled, and my hierarchs and kikijikis also went for an upward ride. None of them have been banned and even if kiki jiki is banned virtually all of the pices have homes in other tier one decks. Acting like banning instability is a major financial sink is intellectually dishonest at best.
Considering SCG is dropping Legacy like a hot potato, you will very soon be unable to either sell your cards at a profit or play the format on a regular basis outside of casual play. I realize that people who love Legacy love it for really good reasons and want to evangelize it, but now is the worst possible time to buy into the format and encouraging people to do so is wrong.
Standard: W/R Aggro
Sure, let's just keep making things up.
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Modern:
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List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
I'm wondering about begining to play Legacy and want to know more about what you are saying.
What is the part of 'fact' and the part of 'opinion' in what you are saying?
SCG is not dropping Legacy, they are trying out other formats in areas with traditionally low Legacy attendance. They don't drop the format because they have tons of Legacy staples and want them to maintain their value.
I have no idea what you could think I'm making up here. SCG has already dropped Legacy support in favor of Sunday Standard or Sealed at about half of its remaining Opens for the year. Legacy is no longer the cash cow that it used to be for SCG, and since they are literally the only people still seriously supporting it as a format, the fact that they are beginning to drop it is incredibly relevant to the future of the format and the wisdom of investing in it.
Legacy will always have people who adore it and will do whatever they can to play it. I'm not trying to argue that it's a bad format. I'm saying that it's an unprofitable format to support, and that bodes poorly for it in terms of investment potential.
They aren't dropping the format yet, that's true. But it doesn't take a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing here.
Standard: W/R Aggro
I saw this happen with Vintage. Slowly shops just stopped having Vintage events in favor of other formats like Legacy and Standard. Vintage still has aa following and people still want Vintage cards, but try finding a tournament somewhere. Due to the reserve list, Legacy is going to go the way of Vintage. There are just not enough cards to go around and WOTC isn't going to reprint them. Effectivley, Legacy will price itself out.
Yep. You draft, play EDH and build a cube and leave organized play to the people who don't read articles where even the most elite players on the pro tour point out that high level play barely becomes "worth it" beyond the experience and the community.
I have yet to play at a major Legacy event. So what? We have 2 LGS near us running Legacy on Saturday. We could give 2 ****s what the outside world is doing and that includes SCG. Let them drop Legacy. At the local level, if you want to play, Legacy will never die.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
So we are back on the "Whatever happens at LBS's gaming store is how it is everywhere?" I thought we had moved past that.
We are not talking about your individual Legacy scene. No one cares about that. We are talking about the overall health of Legacy as a popular format played at a wide scale. Not what you and a couple guys get together and do every Saturday.
Outside the initial list and the post PT update, name one ban that has killed an entire deck in Modern in the last 2 years.
Jund is fine without BBS. Storm survives after SS. Eggs will keep on without Second Sunrise. And all those banned cards cost less than $5.
The only constant is people exaggerating the impact of a card getting banned in Modern.
See guys, Legacy, just like Vintage will still have a following.
And I don't give a crap about SCG. Legacy doesn't need SCG to survive. It did just fine before there ever WAS an SCG and it'll do just fine after SCG is nothing but dust in the wind.
"Survive" is a pretty low barrier of entry. I'm sure there are still people out there playing 1st edition D&D. While it "survives", I wouldn't exactly call it a healthy scene.
As for the bans themselves, I'm happy with them. Magic thrives when people on both sides of the table are having fun. Magic dies when one person is having fun and the pother person is miserable, and Eggs certainly fit that description. It was like the worst combo deck in history, not only did you not interact with it, it took up the maximum amount of time so you couldn't play Magic, you just sat there and watched paint dry.
People that says its the best format (part of that is true) and says to forget modern and start play legacy want:
- Value for they cards ( if 1/3 of modern players start to buy legacy's staples or mana base soon the prices will skyrocket)
- New players and fuel the format ( but the format cant afford that many players)( players that can't afford ABU's duals will try shocks and soo not be competitive)
Modern as a format is good for new players A) it is cheap(competitive tiers 1.5 decks are a lot cheap) B) Its easy to understand ( standard wording of card and not a EX: Tap to add 1 colorless mana or to do something....) C) A format that is still being shaped ( new decks always come with new blocks)
Thats really the biggest point for me. Is Legacy loses it's tourney support, pros stop playing it, new competitive players stop playing it, new archetypes go undiscovered, and it becomes the same old boring decks game after game after game. Without a big tournament scene pushing the boundaries, Legacy gets stale REAL quick.
It;s why I am starting to like Standard more and more. Who cares about the money, at least on a very regular scale the deck archetypes and configurations get shaken up and you get to explore new things.
Blah, blah, blah. Legacy is dying. Blah, blah, blah.
This song is getting old. Can we please change the channel or at least put on a different record?
The Legacy meta is more diverse than it's ever been in its history. We haven't seen a ban since Mental Misstep which was just the stupidest card ever printed and isn't legal anywhere but Vintage anyway so I can't even count that.
Legacy will be thriving, yes THRIVING, long after you and I are gone from this planet.
Count on it.
Blah, blah, blah.
The difference between cardpools and other formats is still huge, and WotC is still holding legacy GP/PT's.
The only real bottleneck are the dual lands of legacy.
If these would ever see print (yes I know they are on the list) in a collector's edition of any kind it would greatly help with the health of legacy.
And to be honost, to everyone who is completely opposed to this idea due to personal monetary/investment reasons, it only seems as a great opportunity to healthen the format which you invested in and love to play.
I personally would love to see this happen, because I sold all my card 15 years ago when I quit, and I played extended back then quite heavily while in the position of dual lands and FoW.
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
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For the record, we have two *weekly* Legacy tournaments here in Madison with 20+ people at both events. My LGS even held a $1,000 tournament last weekend that got 47 players driving from three States. Legacy can survive without SCG just fine, but more importantly, people need to stop making up facts about SCG dropping Legacy at "half" of their remaining events. It is a handful (I believe Orlando was one of them) and Ben Bleiweiss has even said on these very forums that SCG has no plans for a Modern Open or dropping Legacy. Someone even has it sigged.
Lastly:
That's an increase of 100 players since the last open. So yeah, about Legacy dying...
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UW Miracles
UR Sneak and Show
GWB Enchantress
1) 20/27 starcitygames open series that have two days have legacy.
2) Those that still have legacy are having their numbers increasing, not decreasing. This shows more interest and/or a growing playerbase, not diminishing
3) It's common business sense. If you aren't making money, do something else. I don't blame them for dropping Legacy when they can't make money because it means they can't keep supporting themselves (which wold mean *gasp* no standard tournaments either!). Fun fact: Jace the Mindsculptor has been steadily going up in price for a couple of months now. Know what formats he sees play in? Not modern. Know what else have been going up in price? Duals. Legacy is quite the "cash cow"
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm