People are missing the largest point about devaluing magic cards: stores will lose tons of value in their current card stock.
It's in the interest of the game to have more stores be active. WOTC will hurt a ton of stores if they just mass reprint things. Most players won't care about the loss of value, but for stores cards are often "assets."
WOTC's goal is to get more people playing not making cards cheaper. Making cards cheaper is a means to an end.
I agree. That is why I mentioned stores in my replies above.
There must be a mechanism in which stores and players gain on the rising popularity of MTG and have reprints too. I just feel like WotC is raiding the secondary market.
I agree. That is why I mentioned stores in my replies above.
There must be a mechanism in which stores and players gain on the rising popularity of MTG and have reprints too. I just feel like WotC is raiding the secondary market.
Wizards has no responsibility to stores or players. They have a responsibility to their investors. As long as packs continue to sell, WotC is doing their job, and as long as they aren't completely pissing off the majority of the player base, players will continue to buy packs.
Pure and simple.
If you want to make your voice heard, stop buying packs.
Don't forget that WotC is just a company, not an elected office. Dollars make the difference to a company, not whining. As I said before, if the majority of the playerbase will buy these packs (and they will), then Wizards is doing their job.
What that confuses me the most about Wizards is sets like "Commander's Arsenal" are printed in such low quantities that retail stores pre-sale them at $200. (We're talking about a product that came with sleeves for newbies, right?) Wizards themselves aren't really making money. And they aren't really doing their players any good are they? Mostly the retailers are reaping the profits. Yet I think retailers would be happy just as well to sell twice the quantity of the set. In micro-economic terms, the artificial scarcity is basically taking value away from the players: Players that would pay MSRP for their product don't get product, and those who pay twice MSRP are, well, getting ripped off, though I guess gladly.
See this article which explains this pretty well: Deadweight loss.
My theories as to why this happens: 1) Wizards makes enough money selling a shortage of product, so there's little consequence when they under print. 2) They are overly protective about the collectors market. They fear something catastrophic might happen if they overprint. 3) They don't really know how much demand is, it's just a guess. Bad forecasting.
So when Wizards announced this Modern Booster set as 'very limited', I assume this meant not enough for hobby stores to sell at MSRP. I understand Wizards doesn't want to 'piss off' collectors, but to what extent do they really really need to protect them? If it will mean drafts for $50 rather than $10-15 then forget it, they aren't doing their players any good.
I would like it if Wizards said, "For this format X, the top tier decks should cost about Y in the secondary market. Let's print enough of these key cards to reduce the cost under Y. The reason being, if Y increases, then the number of players will decrease, all other things being equal."
This is simple economics, right? There's some sort of equilibrium in supply and pricing, but I think Wizards is missing it.
Look, I will SAY THIS AGAIN, I AM NOT AGAINST REPRNTING CARDS. I AM AGAINST SETS LIKE THIS, which allow WOTC to steal/GAIN VALUE Of COLLECTORS WHEN WE ALREADY SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON CARDS. They need to find a mechanism which allows collectors to gain the value from reprints. They are cashing in on the secondary market. Players/Collectors/Stores should be cashing in, not the company that charges you $4.00 dollars for a booster pack.
This attitude is one of the biggest things that is wrong with this game. You think that the future of access to this game should be diminished just so you can keep a few potential dollars that you spent on cardboard? That is pretty self-centered.
First of all you can pull those panties out of your crack because this set will not effect the overall value of the cards reprinted by much at all. Second of all you need to stop and do the math when you compare this to chronicles- the printing of chronicles represented a significant portion of all the magic cards that had been printed up to that point, this reprint will represent almost nothing in the grant scheme. Chronicles 2.0 could never happen because Wizards would have to print a full set of all valuable cards, and then print them in at least 10 times the numbers they print a regular set in order to do what chronicles did to the market. The player base is huge, in so many countries, that even a set like this, which we can hope is printed in Coldsnap numbers, will be an absolute drop in the bucket when it comes to demand.
Stores will be cashing in on this and anyone with a brain can see it. They would much rather have more customers buying slightly cheaper cards, than a few stodgy, old gamers who buy the odd "power" and think they are l33t.
I will give you this...dragonwisdom is a good name for you, since dragons are portrayed as willing to kill all comers to keep them from walking away with even one of their precious gold pieces.
Look, I will SAY THIS AGAIN, I AM NOT AGAINST REPRNTING CARDS. I AM AGAINST SETS LIKE THIS, which allow WOTC to steal/GAIN VALUE Of COLLECTORS WHEN WE ALREADY SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON CARDS. They need to find a mechanism which allows collectors to gain the value from reprints. They are cashing in on the secondary market. Players/Collectors/Stores should be cashing in, not the company that charges you $4.00 dollars
No, you guys do not spend hundreds of dollars. See, you guys buy cards when they are cheap. As more people play them in events the prices of them increase and increase and increase. Reminds me just a little while ago when Mythic Bant was $1000 for a standard deck or when Jace 2.0 was over $100. It's stupid and it's not healthy for the game.
Secondly, the prices of those cards would be terrible if players didn't use them. Would Goyf be a $100 card if never saw any play? No. He would be a $1 rare.
Collectors have already ruined a once great format in Vintage. They have somewhat ruined Legacy. And now you guys want to ruin another format in Modern. Unbelievable.......I almost wish magic would fail just to spite collectors.
Wizards has no responsibility to stores or players. They have a responsibility to their investors.
Think about this a minute...it's simple business management and economics.
Responsibility to investors is directly linked to how they manage the stores and player base. Profits for investors = stores making profit + new players.
This attitude is one of the biggest things that is wrong with this game. You think that the future of access to this game should be diminished just so you can keep a few potential dollars that you spent on cardboard? That is pretty self-centered.
You cannot create a market that has artificial value (kind of like paper money) and proceed to devalue it continuously without pissing off tons of people.
If you are creating a game and intend for different pieces to have and hold value you need to support that indefinitely. What happens if you don't?
1. People will hesitate to ever own your goods because they can buy for much cheaper down the line.
2. You will disenfranchise all the people who already own the goods.
3. Retailers of your goods will also suffer.
It's alarming how so many people think they know better than a large corporation like WOTC about how to create their product.
Look, I plan to buy modern staples I need after the reprint too, but if they intended to make another reprint 1 month afterwards, I wouldn't even bother. I don't want to spend $500 when I could have spent $200. I work hard for my money.
You cannot create a market that has artificial value (kind of like paper money) and proceed to devalue it continuously without pissing off tons of people.
Besides Chronicles, what has Wizards of the Coast done that significantly devalued their cards?
You say "continuously" which implies the upcoming Modern Masters is just one in a lengthy series of devaluations, but aside from Chronicles...?
Are there any store owners in this thread? If so, where does most of your income come from: sealed products, tournament fees, or singles? If you answer singles, are they mostly standard era, modern era, legacy, or vintage era cards?
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Are there any store owners in this thread? If so, where does most of your income come from: sealed products, tournament fees, or singles? If you answer singles, are they mostly standard era, modern era, legacy, or vintage era cards?
Asked my LGS owner this very question yesterday.
He explained that packs/boxes are inventoried so they have to pay taxes on these sales. Tournament attendance is kept track of so they have to declare this income. Singles is the only thing they can sell free of taxes. (Its a loophole in the way sales tax works, at least in my area.)
As for the singles they sell the most. Standard singles by far out sell the others. Then its EDH/Commander singles. These are spread thru out the years. He did say they have a hard time keeping Modern era singles on the shelf. But they dont get as many Modern era singles traded in or used to pay for entry fees like they do Standard and EDH cards.
This isnt a little LGS either. They run larger IQ's/PTQ's/GPQ's. They normally have P9 in the case at the store and multiple Legacy/Vintage staples in their multiple singles cases. The LGS owner said they were surprised at the lack of movement of Legacy staples as of late. They said Modern is out selling Legacy. I think this may be because most have their legacy deck(s) already made and they are trying to build a competitive Modern deck. But that is just a theory.
He explained that packs/boxes are inventoried so they have to pay taxes on these sales. Tournament attendance is kept track of so they have to declare this income. Singles is the only thing they can sell free of taxes. (Its a loophole in the way sales tax works, at least in my area.)
As for the singles they sell the most. Standard singles by far out sell the others. Then its EDH/Commander singles. These are spread thru out the years. He did say they have a hard time keeping Modern era singles on the shelf. But they dont get as many Modern era singles traded in or used to pay for entry fees like they do Standard and EDH cards.
This isnt a little LGS either. They run larger IQ's/PTQ's/GPQ's. They normally have P9 in the case at the store and multiple Legacy/Vintage staples in their multiple singles cases. The LGS owner said they were surprised at the lack of movement of Legacy staples as of late. They said Modern is out selling Legacy. I think this may be because most have their legacy deck(s) already made and they are trying to build a competitive Modern deck. But that is just a theory.
What I'm getting at is I believe Standard singles far outsell other singles. Now that Modern is an FNM format people will be buying up modern singles with a higher frequency than before. LGS will need a way to get these other than just buying/trading them from customers so creating a Modern Masters booster is a great way to do this. (Now I'm not advocating stores just crack all of the cases they get for singles, but it will at least help increase their supply).
On top of that, I want to reiterate what someone said early. Card A has only been printed once and is priced at $40. To a lot of people $40 is a lot for a card so only 5 people buy it (5*40=200). Now that it has been reprinted its price has dropped to $20 which is a lot more reasonable. This means 10 people buy the card instead of five. (10*20=200). Even though you have a decrease in price, more people buying the card offsets the price decline and they still make the same profit.
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He explained that packs/boxes are inventoried so they have to pay taxes on these sales. Tournament attendance is kept track of so they have to declare this income. Singles is the only thing they can sell free of taxes. (Its a loophole in the way sales tax works, at least in my area.)
Just my guess here, but it sounds like the only "loophole" is that he doesn't report it, and won't get caught.
If a card really has COLLECTOR value then the first printing of a card will almost always retain its value. If its a cards that has value just for the play it probably will not. If they reprinted a black lotus i highly doubt the original cards would even see a dent in value.
If you spend money on a card that has a high value just because it sees alot of play then you knowingly take the risk its going to be reprinted and drop in value.
Look, I will SAY THIS AGAIN, I AM NOT AGAINST REPRNTING CARDS. I AM AGAINST SETS LIKE THIS, which allow WOTC to steal/GAIN VALUE Of COLLECTORS WHEN WE ALREADY SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON CARDS.
Lies... Lies everywhere.
Most people that claim about the "collector value" of cards are lying. Why? Because these cards aren't expensive for it collective value, but because of their power level and efficiency.
If you look at Alpha, even crappy rares are above the hundreds. THIS is collector value. But in the case of bob, tarmo and such, it's not about collections, it about use.
The demand is bigger than the availability, and this demand is high because people want to use theses cards, not to keep them into their Binders to show off.
They're just mad because other people will have a not so hard access to such cards and they won't be the "kings" anymore...
They need to find a mechanism which allows collectors to gain the value from reprints. They are cashing in on the secondary market. Players/Collectors/Stores should be cashing in, not the company that charges you $4.00 dollars
No they don't, that's why there is the RESERVED LIST. If some people invested hundred dollars on cards outside of the reserved list for collections... THEY ARE FOOLS! Don't blame Wizards for that.
Just my guess here, but it sounds like the only "loophole" is that he doesn't report it, and won't get caught.
The way it was explained to me, tax is being paid for the pack/box the single came from. If they charged tax on the single sales also, it would be double tax on the same product. Hence, taxes are charged on boxes and packs, but not singles.
So,all's well that ends well: WotC have to print enough quantity.
Why does WotC confine quantity of Modern Masters?
I would buy 3 or more boxes if there were enough boxes.
I've been saying that there are no crying people,except for some of grabby collectors, when there are enough quantity.
My opinion is still same.
The way it was explained to me, tax is being paid for the pack/box the single came from. If they charged tax on the single sales also, it would be double tax on the same product. Hence, taxes are charged on boxes and packs, but not singles.
yea, he's wrong. He is tax evading, and when (not if) he eventually gets audited he will owe thousands in back taxes and most likely go bankrupt and possibly to jail.
You cannot create a market that has artificial value (kind of like paper money) and proceed to devalue it continuously without pissing off tons of people.
If you are creating a game and intend for different pieces to have and hold value you need to support that indefinitely. What happens if you don't?
1. People will hesitate to ever own your goods because they can buy for much cheaper down the line.
2. You will disenfranchise all the people who already own the goods.
3. Retailers of your goods will also suffer.
It's alarming how so many people think they know better than a large corporation like WOTC about how to create their product.
Look, I plan to buy modern staples I need after the reprint too, but if they intended to make another reprint 1 month afterwards, I wouldn't even bother. I don't want to spend $500 when I could have spent $200. I work hard for my money.
A problem with your sky is falling theory is that this won't be every month. It's only happened in booster packs like this once ever. This will make the second time. If it happens a third time, I'd look at it being over a year away from MM1 at soonest.
The reason you buy in knowing it's going to decrease is that there is play value associated with buying cards. We do it all the time, it's called standard. Cards are printed and plummet at rotations. Cards that are reprinted plummet due to increased supply. If these so called "Collectors" realized that any card on the list is likely to drop in price at any time, then we could get on and play the game. We need a shake up to make people realize that these are part of a game, not some commodity to invest in.
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yea, he's wrong. He is tax evading, and when (not if) he eventually gets audited he will owe thousands in back taxes and most likely go bankrupt and possibly to jail.
I've never bought a single at my LGS that didn't have sales tax on it...
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I've never bought a single at my LGS that didn't have sales tax on it...
I've never payed tax on any single I have ever purchased. I have purchased a lot of singles from a lot of different stores. Maybe they eat the sales tax or there is something else with secondary market sales, but even some of the big stores I have gone into haven't charged sales tax on singles.
I've never payed tax on any single I have ever purchased. I have purchased a lot of singles from a lot of different stores. Maybe they eat the sales tax or there is something else with secondary market sales, but even some of the big stores I have gone into haven't charged sales tax on singles.
Either they are including it in the price or they are doing something a bit underhanded methinks...
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A problem with your sky is falling theory is that this won't be every month. It's only happened in booster packs like this once ever. This will make the second time. If it happens a third time, I'd look at it being over a year away from MM1 at soonest.
The reason you buy in knowing it's going to decrease is that there is play value associated with buying cards. We do it all the time, it's called standard. Cards are printed and plummet at rotations. Cards that are reprinted plummet due to increased supply. If these so called "Collectors" realized that any card on the list is likely to drop in price at any time, then we could get on and play the game. We need a shake up to make people realize that these are part of a game, not some commodity to invest in.
at $500+ for a good deck, it's not just a game. a $500 product needs to retain it's value for more than just a year. for many people playing eternal formats the retention of value is a big positive.
I suspect we are kind of saying the same things though - just in different words.
Reprints are fine, but reprints every year etc is way too much. I don't want to be in a situation like MTGO where no one wants to own any collection of cards and cards are bought for tournaments and dumped afterwards.
It's in the interest of the game to have more stores be active. WOTC will hurt a ton of stores if they just mass reprint things. Most players won't care about the loss of value, but for stores cards are often "assets."
WOTC's goal is to get more people playing not making cards cheaper. Making cards cheaper is a means to an end.
There must be a mechanism in which stores and players gain on the rising popularity of MTG and have reprints too. I just feel like WotC is raiding the secondary market.
Wizards has no responsibility to stores or players. They have a responsibility to their investors. As long as packs continue to sell, WotC is doing their job, and as long as they aren't completely pissing off the majority of the player base, players will continue to buy packs.
Pure and simple.
If you want to make your voice heard, stop buying packs.
Don't forget that WotC is just a company, not an elected office. Dollars make the difference to a company, not whining. As I said before, if the majority of the playerbase will buy these packs (and they will), then Wizards is doing their job.
See this article which explains this pretty well: Deadweight loss.
My theories as to why this happens: 1) Wizards makes enough money selling a shortage of product, so there's little consequence when they under print. 2) They are overly protective about the collectors market. They fear something catastrophic might happen if they overprint. 3) They don't really know how much demand is, it's just a guess. Bad forecasting.
So when Wizards announced this Modern Booster set as 'very limited', I assume this meant not enough for hobby stores to sell at MSRP. I understand Wizards doesn't want to 'piss off' collectors, but to what extent do they really really need to protect them? If it will mean drafts for $50 rather than $10-15 then forget it, they aren't doing their players any good.
I would like it if Wizards said, "For this format X, the top tier decks should cost about Y in the secondary market. Let's print enough of these key cards to reduce the cost under Y. The reason being, if Y increases, then the number of players will decrease, all other things being equal."
This is simple economics, right? There's some sort of equilibrium in supply and pricing, but I think Wizards is missing it.
First of all you can pull those panties out of your crack because this set will not effect the overall value of the cards reprinted by much at all. Second of all you need to stop and do the math when you compare this to chronicles- the printing of chronicles represented a significant portion of all the magic cards that had been printed up to that point, this reprint will represent almost nothing in the grant scheme. Chronicles 2.0 could never happen because Wizards would have to print a full set of all valuable cards, and then print them in at least 10 times the numbers they print a regular set in order to do what chronicles did to the market. The player base is huge, in so many countries, that even a set like this, which we can hope is printed in Coldsnap numbers, will be an absolute drop in the bucket when it comes to demand.
Stores will be cashing in on this and anyone with a brain can see it. They would much rather have more customers buying slightly cheaper cards, than a few stodgy, old gamers who buy the odd "power" and think they are l33t.
I will give you this...dragonwisdom is a good name for you, since dragons are portrayed as willing to kill all comers to keep them from walking away with even one of their precious gold pieces.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Secondly, the prices of those cards would be terrible if players didn't use them. Would Goyf be a $100 card if never saw any play? No. He would be a $1 rare.
Collectors have already ruined a once great format in Vintage. They have somewhat ruined Legacy. And now you guys want to ruin another format in Modern. Unbelievable.......I almost wish magic would fail just to spite collectors.
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UBR FaerieStalker UBR
EDH
Sygg, River Cutthroat (1vs1)
Maga, Traitor to Mortals (multiplayer)
Think about this a minute...it's simple business management and economics.
Responsibility to investors is directly linked to how they manage the stores and player base. Profits for investors = stores making profit + new players.
You cannot create a market that has artificial value (kind of like paper money) and proceed to devalue it continuously without pissing off tons of people.
If you are creating a game and intend for different pieces to have and hold value you need to support that indefinitely. What happens if you don't?
1. People will hesitate to ever own your goods because they can buy for much cheaper down the line.
2. You will disenfranchise all the people who already own the goods.
3. Retailers of your goods will also suffer.
It's alarming how so many people think they know better than a large corporation like WOTC about how to create their product.
Look, I plan to buy modern staples I need after the reprint too, but if they intended to make another reprint 1 month afterwards, I wouldn't even bother. I don't want to spend $500 when I could have spent $200. I work hard for my money.
Besides Chronicles, what has Wizards of the Coast done that significantly devalued their cards?
You say "continuously" which implies the upcoming Modern Masters is just one in a lengthy series of devaluations, but aside from Chronicles...?
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Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
That's my point, WOTC hasn't done that and I suspect they won't.
Asked my LGS owner this very question yesterday.
He explained that packs/boxes are inventoried so they have to pay taxes on these sales. Tournament attendance is kept track of so they have to declare this income. Singles is the only thing they can sell free of taxes. (Its a loophole in the way sales tax works, at least in my area.)
As for the singles they sell the most. Standard singles by far out sell the others. Then its EDH/Commander singles. These are spread thru out the years. He did say they have a hard time keeping Modern era singles on the shelf. But they dont get as many Modern era singles traded in or used to pay for entry fees like they do Standard and EDH cards.
This isnt a little LGS either. They run larger IQ's/PTQ's/GPQ's. They normally have P9 in the case at the store and multiple Legacy/Vintage staples in their multiple singles cases. The LGS owner said they were surprised at the lack of movement of Legacy staples as of late. They said Modern is out selling Legacy. I think this may be because most have their legacy deck(s) already made and they are trying to build a competitive Modern deck. But that is just a theory.
What I'm getting at is I believe Standard singles far outsell other singles. Now that Modern is an FNM format people will be buying up modern singles with a higher frequency than before. LGS will need a way to get these other than just buying/trading them from customers so creating a Modern Masters booster is a great way to do this. (Now I'm not advocating stores just crack all of the cases they get for singles, but it will at least help increase their supply).
On top of that, I want to reiterate what someone said early. Card A has only been printed once and is priced at $40. To a lot of people $40 is a lot for a card so only 5 people buy it (5*40=200). Now that it has been reprinted its price has dropped to $20 which is a lot more reasonable. This means 10 people buy the card instead of five. (10*20=200). Even though you have a decrease in price, more people buying the card offsets the price decline and they still make the same profit.
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
Just my guess here, but it sounds like the only "loophole" is that he doesn't report it, and won't get caught.
If you spend money on a card that has a high value just because it sees alot of play then you knowingly take the risk its going to be reprinted and drop in value.
Lies... Lies everywhere.
Most people that claim about the "collector value" of cards are lying. Why? Because these cards aren't expensive for it collective value, but because of their power level and efficiency.
If you look at Alpha, even crappy rares are above the hundreds. THIS is collector value. But in the case of bob, tarmo and such, it's not about collections, it about use.
The demand is bigger than the availability, and this demand is high because people want to use theses cards, not to keep them into their Binders to show off.
They're just mad because other people will have a not so hard access to such cards and they won't be the "kings" anymore...
No they don't, that's why there is the RESERVED LIST. If some people invested hundred dollars on cards outside of the reserved list for collections... THEY ARE FOOLS! Don't blame Wizards for that.
The way it was explained to me, tax is being paid for the pack/box the single came from. If they charged tax on the single sales also, it would be double tax on the same product. Hence, taxes are charged on boxes and packs, but not singles.
Why does WotC confine quantity of Modern Masters?
I would buy 3 or more boxes if there were enough boxes.
I've been saying that there are no crying people,except for some of grabby collectors, when there are enough quantity.
My opinion is still same.
yea, he's wrong. He is tax evading, and when (not if) he eventually gets audited he will owe thousands in back taxes and most likely go bankrupt and possibly to jail.
A problem with your sky is falling theory is that this won't be every month. It's only happened in booster packs like this once ever. This will make the second time. If it happens a third time, I'd look at it being over a year away from MM1 at soonest.
The reason you buy in knowing it's going to decrease is that there is play value associated with buying cards. We do it all the time, it's called standard. Cards are printed and plummet at rotations. Cards that are reprinted plummet due to increased supply. If these so called "Collectors" realized that any card on the list is likely to drop in price at any time, then we could get on and play the game. We need a shake up to make people realize that these are part of a game, not some commodity to invest in.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I've never bought a single at my LGS that didn't have sales tax on it...
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I've never payed tax on any single I have ever purchased. I have purchased a lot of singles from a lot of different stores. Maybe they eat the sales tax or there is something else with secondary market sales, but even some of the big stores I have gone into haven't charged sales tax on singles.
Either they are including it in the price or they are doing something a bit underhanded methinks...
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
at $500+ for a good deck, it's not just a game. a $500 product needs to retain it's value for more than just a year. for many people playing eternal formats the retention of value is a big positive.
I suspect we are kind of saying the same things though - just in different words.
Reprints are fine, but reprints every year etc is way too much. I don't want to be in a situation like MTGO where no one wants to own any collection of cards and cards are bought for tournaments and dumped afterwards.