"Draftable" refers to the commons/uncommons most of all.
This. I expect a lot of cheap commons and even some cheap uncommons. But there are a lot of pricey commons and uncommons as well. I'm pretty confident some of those will be included as well. The point is the rare and the foil in every pack alone are enough to push you over MSRP unless WotC was being very misleading. Now, it's possible they are misleading, and I'll get screwed. Will I wind up bitter and hard with a WotC-bashing sig on mtgsalvation? No. It just means that I spent some money on Magic cards that I had fun with but didn't quite make my money back, just like a lot of sets.
Of course you can. This answers the question why the printing is limited; if it were unlimited, you'd crash the prices. Your argument is supporting my position.
No people would by the set till the estimated box value was about the same as the retail box price.
Are you new to magic? The Liliana in Innistrad isn't the same as any previous Liliana. It's a completely different card.
What does that have to do with anything. By your theory since innstrad doesn't have a limited print run the prices should crash, they haven't, your theory is wrong.
Please don't waste my time further attempting to engage in an intelligent conversation on this topic with me.
I'll continue to hold up my end of the conversation and hold out hope that you will eventually elevate the quality of your responses so this will become an intelligent conversation, thank you.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
No people would by the set till the estimated box value was about the same as the retail box price.
Firstly, this is patently untrue, since people are already buying sets over the retail box price. Secondly, this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, which was your assertion that "You can reduce prices with out crashing them." and I answered that's exactly why the printing is Limited. The estimated box value relative to retail box price has nothing to do with this, so why did you bring it up? Because you're losing the argument and flailing?
What does that have to do with anything. By your theory since innstrad doesn't have a limited print run the prices should crash, they haven't, your theory is wrong.
You brought up Liliana; that's what it has to do with anything. Don't blame me for your bad arguments. You asking why Lilian in Innistrad didn't crash Liliana prices; it's because it's a different card. If you mean Innistrad's own cards, yes, of course, Innistrad "crashes it's own prices" in a sense by printing more. If Innistrad were half its print run, would the price of the Liliana in Innistrad be higher or lower?
So was mutavualt, fetchlands, shocklands, ravenger, ect... doesn't mean any of those should be printed at mythic now.
You don't think anything should be printed at Mythic, so your opinion is kind of irrelevant on this point. You asked why Tarmogoyf was bumped to Mythic and I explained why. That explanation holds; your idea that nothing should be Mythic does not obviate that.
That's irrelevant; your assertion was that the boosters cost the same to produce, not that they didn't cost MSRP to produce. Of course boosters don't cost MSRP to produce; WotC makes a profit. Just please admit you were wrong, and we can continue.
FTV isn't a booster pack, you seem bad at this staying on topic thing.
FTV is 15 cards. You seem bad at this logic thing. Your assertion was that 15 cards in one product costs the same to produce as 15 cards in another, thus should be the same price as another. Thus FTV should be the same price as a 15 card booster.
I'll continue to hold up my end of the conversation and hold out hope that you will eventually elevate the quality of your responses so this will become an intelligent conversation, thank you.
Strike two! At least you're trying; I give you points for that. But you actually need to put your brain in gear to make any progress.
When Liliana was in a set currently being drafted last year.....it did crash her price. Liliana's were 10 bucks each and didn't go up until people stopped opening packs from her set. Having an unlimited print run would crash prices of some of those modern cards in it. However, Wizards could print just as many Modern Masters cards as they have for a normal set like Gatecrash or Dragon's maze and just SAY it was a limited run, and it would not crash the prices. Perception is EVERYTHING in whether prices rise or fall.
You are being way, way too optimistic. Making it "draftable" is WotCs way of warning people that there will be a bunch of junk in it too.
Almost every single box ever printed sells for more than it did at MSRP. MSRP of a 36 pack booster at $4 a booster is $144. SCG current prices:
Time Spiral: $250
Planar Chaos: $225
Future Sight: $500
Lorwyn: $500
Eventide: $250
Shadowmoor: $300
Morningtide: $300
Shards of Alara: $250
Conflux: $250
Alara Reborn: $225
Zendikar: $300
Worldwake: $450
Rise of the Eldrazi: $300
And on and on and on. Now, could Modern Master be a compete dud of a set, despite having the most sought after reprint the game has ever seen, and a garauntee'd 24 foils per box? Sure, I guess it could, but I'm willing to take that risk
If you wanted to I'm pretty sure you could flip a box of MM for at least $300 after they sell out, which they will do REALLY fast.
So they say this is a limited print, but I sort of have this theory that they are overplaying how limited the run is so they don't piss off the nerds who overpaid for cards as well as to generate hype and encourage people to buy right away.
Regardless of if this is true or not, I expect MM to bring prices down of some cards to some extent, especially commons and uncommons.
I'm considering building a Tron deck soon, but I'm thinking after MM staple commons and uncommons like Sylvan Scrying, Relic of Progenitus, Chromatic Star and the Urza lands like Urza's Tower will go down in value in the under $1 range. Does this seem like a reasonable expectation or not really? Why or why not?
If you think WotC is really going to flood the market then yes it's reasonable to think the prices of those cards are going to come down. Of course, you're wrong, and MM really is limited, but there's nothing else really to tell you if you cling to your original premise.
But even if it is a very limited run, commons and uncommons should still go down, right?
That should be the main function of modern masters. Kitchen finks, lightning helix, and similar cards going to 1.00 or less would be a great success, in my mind.
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As much as I agree, I don't see Kitchen Finks falling into $1 range, but maybe 5 dollar range which really would be good. It'd be nice to not have to pay 2 or 3 dollars for Serum Visions and Sleight of Hand anymore.
But even if it is a very limited run, commons and uncommons should still go down, right?
I don't think it will print enough of those cards to make a huge dent even in commons, but reducing the commons over $1 to $1 is possible. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything else coming down in price except maybe temporarily.
Firstly, this is patently untrue, since people are already buying sets over the retail box price. Secondly, this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, which was your assertion that "You can reduce prices with out crashing them." and I answered that's exactly why the printing is Limited. The estimated box value relative to retail box price has nothing to do with this, so why did you bring it up? Because you're losing the argument and flailing?
Umm not vary many people are going to by a $170 box if its contents are 160. That means there is a floor on the prices which means if the set is designed well you don't have to limit supply and you will still have a good deal of control over how much prices fall.
You brought up Liliana; that's what it has to do with anything. Don't blame me for your bad arguments. You asking why Lilian in Innistrad didn't crash Liliana prices; it's because it's a different card. If you mean Innistrad's own cards, yes, of course, Innistrad "crashes it's own prices" in a sense by printing more. If Innistrad were half its print run, would the price of the Liliana in Innistrad be higher or lower?
See and there is where you are wrong, there is still plenty of innistrad boosters out there, you could quadruple the number of boosters printed, but it doesn't affect the supply unless they are opened.
You don't think anything should be printed at Mythic, so your opinion is kind of irrelevant on this point. You asked why Tarmogoyf was bumped to Mythic and I explained why. That explanation holds; your idea that nothing should be Mythic does not obviate that.
You didn't explain why you simply said that "planeswalker used to be rare too", by that logic all the cards I listed are valid to print at mythic, I noticed you didn't actually bother to respond to my point and went ad hominem again.
I don't have a problem with cards like godsire, helkite overlord, vorinclex being printed at mythic, so it looks like even your ad hominum was wrong.
That's irrelevant; your assertion was that the boosters cost the same to produce, not that they didn't cost MSRP to produce. Of course boosters don't cost MSRP to produce; WotC makes a profit. Just please admit you were wrong, and we can continue.
No, if Wotc bases the price of booster on the contents rather than the cost to them they are essentially charging for singles.
FTV is 15 cards. You seem bad at this logic thing. Your assertion was that 15 cards in one product costs the same to produce as 15 cards in another, thus should be the same price as another. Thus FTV should be the same price as a 15 card booster.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
But even if it is a very limited run, commons and uncommons should still go down, right?
In theory, but remember we've seen uncommons like Path to Exile and Eternal Witness see print in side products like Commander, Duel Decks, and FNM foils and they didn't really effect the prices much.
I could see a temporary drop, but then once MM is dried up and Modern season appears again... demand will increase and those people who didn't get their playset when MM was around will want to find the missing pieces.
Umm not vary many people are going to by a $170 box if its contents are 160. That means there is a floor on the prices which means if the set is designed well you don't have to limit supply and you will still have a good deal of control over how much prices fall.
And once again you are arguing against yourself. Your assertion is that it's full of junk, and your assertion is that is that it's a limited print run because WotC doesn't care about printing lots of modern staples and just wants to make money rather than print lots of staples without crashing prices. But now you're arguing you could do an unlimited print run and still control prices if the contents are not worth much; i.e. if it's full of junk. But by that logic, then, WotC could do an unlimited print run of MM filled with junk. But they're not doing an unlimited print run. Thus it suggests it's not going to be filled with junk as you asserted.
See and there is where you are wrong, there is still plenty of innistrad boosters out there, you could quadruple the number of boosters printed, but it doesn't affect the supply unless they are opened.
And if my mother had wheels she'd be a bicycle. The fact is what's opened is proportional to what's printed, so this point isn't relevant.
You didn't explain why you simply said that "planeswalker used to be rare too", by that logic all the cards I listed are valid to print at mythic,
All rare cards are valid to print at Mythic, yes. Heck, even some Uncommon cards and maybe even Chain Lightning would be common at Mythic. That's not a point; it's just true. It doesn't support your argument that MM is full of junk.
I don't have a problem with cards like godsire, helkite overlord, vorinclex being printed at mythic, so it looks like even your ad hominum was wrong.
Your own signature says you do have a problem with it. Highlighting your stated position is not ad hominem. Calling you a fat-headed idiot is an ad hominem. Saying you don't like strawberries because you posted something telling everyone you don't like strawberries isn't ad hominem.
No, if Wotc bases the price of booster on the contents rather than the cost to them they are essentially charging for singles.
Fine; they're charging for singles. Once again, that doesn't change anything about your argument. It doesn't support your position. It gives you another thing to bash WotC about that you don't like, but it doesn't change anything about the reason why WotC is charging more for the booster.
I never claimed it was. The point is it's 15 cards that are charged for more than 15 cards in another product. So there's nothing unusual about Modern Masters charging more for 15 cards in its product, even though it's in booster format. But if it makes it easier for you, then I'll just point to the Alara all-foil boosters. Clearly a booster, clearly a different MSRP. Why? Because the cards in it not only cost more to produce (foil) but because they are worth more.
Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain.
Yes. Wanting to abolish mythics is a policy of position you maintain. Thus it's not an ad hominem to point it out. I didn't even attack it; I just showed how it underlied your position.
I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what you quoted. Marquee cards are about set hype not set value.
I'm pretty sure you don't understand what you quoted. The context is about whether or not money cards would be held back in the set for use as Marquee cards for future Modern Masters sets. I'm not conceding that is true. But I'm saying it doesn't matter if it's true. There are enough Marquee cards for dozens of MM sets. Exclude ALL of them from MM1 if you like. There are still remaining money rares available STILL MAKE THE SET WORTH OVER MSRP, so the need to hold some cards back for future sets is not sufficient to assert that the set must be filled with junk.
Umm not vary many people are going to by a $170 box if its contents are 160. That means there is a floor on the prices which means if the set is designed well you don't have to limit supply and you will still have a good deal of control over how much prices fall.
People buy $100 boxes all the time knowing that there is a good chance they won't get $100 worth of cards in it.
It's the booster box lottery every time anyone buys a box.
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People buy $100 boxes all the time knowing that there is a good chance they won't get $100 worth of cards in it.
Yup, and they'll do it for $150 even. Heck, people will buy a box of Worldwake or Future Sight all the time because of ONE CARD.
This may not be a promised hit, but I do think some of you guys are really seriously low expectations. Sure we have people who are very starry eyed as well, but even if this falls somewhere in the middle we have a box that's worth the effort to buy at MSRP at the very least.
Umm not vary many people are going to by a $170 box if its contents are 160. That means there is a floor on the prices which means if the set is designed well you don't have to limit supply and you will still have a good deal of control over how much prices fall.
People buy $100 boxes all the time knowing that there is a good chance they won't get $100 worth of cards in it.
It's the booster box lottery every time anyone buys a box.
To piggyback off of DanzBorin's point, people (myself included) also buy boxes to draft with friends. Either way, while the value of the set is of some importance, it isn't paramount and it usually doesn't stop me from buying a box.
Are you kidding? Modern Master will sell and sell well. $6.99 (at retail) for a chance to get a Tarmogoyf which in Near Mint condition going for $98.00 is pretty good in my opinion. The only other spoiled card is City of Brass. I'm really not seeing this set sitting on card shop shelves.
A chance at a Goyf makes these boxes as liquid as anything out there. I am not worried about the contents, to be honest.
A foil Goyf, let along the regular goyf. If only the art wasn't absolutely atrocious
But honestly, the entire set could be garbage and people would still buy everything they could get their hands of for a chance at a Goyf. They do it right now for Future Sight.
And honestly I'm too worried about the set having too much junk in it. From AF's mouth...
First and foremost, the set is packed with the greatest hits from over six years' worth of expansions. The power-level of the cards in these boosters is very high compared to the average, and we didn't want to make every other set we have in the pipeline comparatively unattractive from a price standpoint by charging too little for this one.
You already got Goyf, you throw Dark Confidant or Thoughtseize, a few Swords, and Maelstrom Pulse in there, demand is going to go through the roof.
Not to mention some under the radar options no one is talking about like Elspeth, Kiki Jiki, Aether Vial, or Crucible of Worlds... all of which are worth well over the cost of the booster.
Not to mention some under the radar options no one is talking about like Elspeth, Kiki Jiki, Aether Vial, or Crucible of Worlds... all of which are worth well over the cost of the booster.
I suspect we won't see cards reprinted in From the Vault: Legends like Kiki Jiki in Modern Masters.
I suspect we won't see cards reprinted in From the Vault: Legends like Kiki Jiki in Modern Masters.
Why is that? FTV didn't really increase the number of Kiki Jiki's out there, it only put a limited number of alternate foil ones out there. FTV was a limited product.
I think we could logically assume to see modern-all-stars like Kiki Jiki, Elspeth, Crucible, etc.
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"Draftable" refers to the commons/uncommons most of all.
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This. I expect a lot of cheap commons and even some cheap uncommons. But there are a lot of pricey commons and uncommons as well. I'm pretty confident some of those will be included as well. The point is the rare and the foil in every pack alone are enough to push you over MSRP unless WotC was being very misleading. Now, it's possible they are misleading, and I'll get screwed. Will I wind up bitter and hard with a WotC-bashing sig on mtgsalvation? No. It just means that I spent some money on Magic cards that I had fun with but didn't quite make my money back, just like a lot of sets.
No people would by the set till the estimated box value was about the same as the retail box price.
What does that have to do with anything. By your theory since innstrad doesn't have a limited print run the prices should crash, they haven't, your theory is wrong.
So was mutavualt, fetchlands, shocklands, ravenger, ect... doesn't mean any of those should be printed at mythic now
I doubt foils cost $4 to produce.
FTV isn't a booster pack, you seem bad at this staying on topic thing.
Or they are making up an excuse to gouge on the product.
Ad-hominid attacks the sign of a well reasoned response.
I'll continue to hold up my end of the conversation and hold out hope that you will eventually elevate the quality of your responses so this will become an intelligent conversation, thank you.
No but they want to have marquee cards in both sets.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Firstly, this is patently untrue, since people are already buying sets over the retail box price. Secondly, this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, which was your assertion that "You can reduce prices with out crashing them." and I answered that's exactly why the printing is Limited. The estimated box value relative to retail box price has nothing to do with this, so why did you bring it up? Because you're losing the argument and flailing?
You brought up Liliana; that's what it has to do with anything. Don't blame me for your bad arguments. You asking why Lilian in Innistrad didn't crash Liliana prices; it's because it's a different card. If you mean Innistrad's own cards, yes, of course, Innistrad "crashes it's own prices" in a sense by printing more. If Innistrad were half its print run, would the price of the Liliana in Innistrad be higher or lower?
You don't think anything should be printed at Mythic, so your opinion is kind of irrelevant on this point. You asked why Tarmogoyf was bumped to Mythic and I explained why. That explanation holds; your idea that nothing should be Mythic does not obviate that.
That's irrelevant; your assertion was that the boosters cost the same to produce, not that they didn't cost MSRP to produce. Of course boosters don't cost MSRP to produce; WotC makes a profit. Just please admit you were wrong, and we can continue.
FTV is 15 cards. You seem bad at this logic thing. Your assertion was that 15 cards in one product costs the same to produce as 15 cards in another, thus should be the same price as another. Thus FTV should be the same price as a 15 card booster.
Or you're attacking WotC because you have an axe to grind.
You need to look up what ad hominem means. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Attacking your stated positions isn't a personal attack.
Strike two! At least you're trying; I give you points for that. But you actually need to put your brain in gear to make any progress.
They can have marquee cards in six sets and the ones they put in MM1 still make the boosters worth over MSRP.
Almost every single box ever printed sells for more than it did at MSRP. MSRP of a 36 pack booster at $4 a booster is $144. SCG current prices:
Time Spiral: $250
Planar Chaos: $225
Future Sight: $500
Lorwyn: $500
Eventide: $250
Shadowmoor: $300
Morningtide: $300
Shards of Alara: $250
Conflux: $250
Alara Reborn: $225
Zendikar: $300
Worldwake: $450
Rise of the Eldrazi: $300
And on and on and on. Now, could Modern Master be a compete dud of a set, despite having the most sought after reprint the game has ever seen, and a garauntee'd 24 foils per box? Sure, I guess it could, but I'm willing to take that risk
If you wanted to I'm pretty sure you could flip a box of MM for at least $300 after they sell out, which they will do REALLY fast.
Regardless of if this is true or not, I expect MM to bring prices down of some cards to some extent, especially commons and uncommons.
I'm considering building a Tron deck soon, but I'm thinking after MM staple commons and uncommons like Sylvan Scrying, Relic of Progenitus, Chromatic Star and the Urza lands like Urza's Tower will go down in value in the under $1 range. Does this seem like a reasonable expectation or not really? Why or why not?
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That should be the main function of modern masters. Kitchen finks, lightning helix, and similar cards going to 1.00 or less would be a great success, in my mind.
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Mythic rares are fine.
Sylvan Scrying, Relic of Progenitus, and Chromatic Star should be less than a dollar in theory, hopefully Modern Masters helps.
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I don't think it will print enough of those cards to make a huge dent even in commons, but reducing the commons over $1 to $1 is possible. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything else coming down in price except maybe temporarily.
Umm not vary many people are going to by a $170 box if its contents are 160. That means there is a floor on the prices which means if the set is designed well you don't have to limit supply and you will still have a good deal of control over how much prices fall.
See and there is where you are wrong, there is still plenty of innistrad boosters out there, you could quadruple the number of boosters printed, but it doesn't affect the supply unless they are opened.
You didn't explain why you simply said that "planeswalker used to be rare too", by that logic all the cards I listed are valid to print at mythic, I noticed you didn't actually bother to respond to my point and went ad hominem again.
I don't have a problem with cards like godsire, helkite overlord, vorinclex being printed at mythic, so it looks like even your ad hominum was wrong.
No, if Wotc bases the price of booster on the contents rather than the cost to them they are essentially charging for singles.
FTV is not a booster. Affirming the consequent.
Wait for it.
ad hominem:
Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain.
Says they guy who didn't know the definition of ad hominem.
I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what you quoted. Marquee cards are about set hype not set value.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
In theory, but remember we've seen uncommons like Path to Exile and Eternal Witness see print in side products like Commander, Duel Decks, and FNM foils and they didn't really effect the prices much.
I could see a temporary drop, but then once MM is dried up and Modern season appears again... demand will increase and those people who didn't get their playset when MM was around will want to find the missing pieces.
And once again you are arguing against yourself. Your assertion is that it's full of junk, and your assertion is that is that it's a limited print run because WotC doesn't care about printing lots of modern staples and just wants to make money rather than print lots of staples without crashing prices. But now you're arguing you could do an unlimited print run and still control prices if the contents are not worth much; i.e. if it's full of junk. But by that logic, then, WotC could do an unlimited print run of MM filled with junk. But they're not doing an unlimited print run. Thus it suggests it's not going to be filled with junk as you asserted.
And if my mother had wheels she'd be a bicycle. The fact is what's opened is proportional to what's printed, so this point isn't relevant.
All rare cards are valid to print at Mythic, yes. Heck, even some Uncommon cards and maybe even Chain Lightning would be common at Mythic. That's not a point; it's just true. It doesn't support your argument that MM is full of junk.
I don't know what point you're referring to here. Why don't you just talk like a normal person and explain yourself better?
Your own signature says you do have a problem with it. Highlighting your stated position is not ad hominem. Calling you a fat-headed idiot is an ad hominem. Saying you don't like strawberries because you posted something telling everyone you don't like strawberries isn't ad hominem.
Fine; they're charging for singles. Once again, that doesn't change anything about your argument. It doesn't support your position. It gives you another thing to bash WotC about that you don't like, but it doesn't change anything about the reason why WotC is charging more for the booster.
I never claimed it was. The point is it's 15 cards that are charged for more than 15 cards in another product. So there's nothing unusual about Modern Masters charging more for 15 cards in its product, even though it's in booster format. But if it makes it easier for you, then I'll just point to the Alara all-foil boosters. Clearly a booster, clearly a different MSRP. Why? Because the cards in it not only cost more to produce (foil) but because they are worth more.
I don't have to wait for it. You've already attacked them.
Yes. Wanting to abolish mythics is a policy of position you maintain. Thus it's not an ad hominem to point it out. I didn't even attack it; I just showed how it underlied your position.
Now you're talking about yourself again. Can we get back to the topic or are you in troll mode now?
I'm pretty sure you don't understand what you quoted. The context is about whether or not money cards would be held back in the set for use as Marquee cards for future Modern Masters sets. I'm not conceding that is true. But I'm saying it doesn't matter if it's true. There are enough Marquee cards for dozens of MM sets. Exclude ALL of them from MM1 if you like. There are still remaining money rares available STILL MAKE THE SET WORTH OVER MSRP, so the need to hold some cards back for future sets is not sufficient to assert that the set must be filled with junk.
People buy $100 boxes all the time knowing that there is a good chance they won't get $100 worth of cards in it.
It's the booster box lottery every time anyone buys a box.
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Yup, and they'll do it for $150 even. Heck, people will buy a box of Worldwake or Future Sight all the time because of ONE CARD.
This may not be a promised hit, but I do think some of you guys are really seriously low expectations. Sure we have people who are very starry eyed as well, but even if this falls somewhere in the middle we have a box that's worth the effort to buy at MSRP at the very least.
Should be $168
To piggyback off of DanzBorin's point, people (myself included) also buy boxes to draft with friends. Either way, while the value of the set is of some importance, it isn't paramount and it usually doesn't stop me from buying a box.
Totally agree. This is exactly what I was trying to say.
A foil Goyf, let along the regular goyf. If only the art wasn't absolutely atrocious
But honestly, the entire set could be garbage and people would still buy everything they could get their hands of for a chance at a Goyf. They do it right now for Future Sight.
And honestly I'm too worried about the set having too much junk in it. From AF's mouth...
You already got Goyf, you throw Dark Confidant or Thoughtseize, a few Swords, and Maelstrom Pulse in there, demand is going to go through the roof.
I suspect we won't see cards reprinted in From the Vault: Legends like Kiki Jiki in Modern Masters.
Why is that? FTV didn't really increase the number of Kiki Jiki's out there, it only put a limited number of alternate foil ones out there. FTV was a limited product.
I think we could logically assume to see modern-all-stars like Kiki Jiki, Elspeth, Crucible, etc.
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