Anxious to see this release, so far all of these decks where somewhat worth buying.....
(although lately they seem to put in less and less value, or maybe I am wrong...)
last I bought was Venser vs Koth, and it wasnt only barely worth it....
just loved the new Art from both planeswalkers more then their originals...
(and their original price together is equal to the deck price here anyways....)
Yeah, it seems each duel deck is a fun buy, but I swear they get less and less cool every time. Though it was nice being able to get Emblems for Koth and Vensur, but not really a high demand. At least each DD has a chace uncommon it seems like. Though, Demonic Tutor takes the cake. Wish I would have been palying Magic durimg that time frame. Stupid 3 year break!
Oh darn it. It was PUTRID Imp after all in the Graveborn premium deck -_- my bad.
Ah yes, Putrefy is a shoe-in for sure, and its Izzet counterpart, Electrolyze.
Yeah, I really hope all 10 staples see reprint. Can't wait to play some Grull again... with Wold Run! Mwhahaha....Don't care about Char...talk about a card that has failed in value since it rolled out of Standard lol.
If the store owner says that I can't trade in the premises, I'll just go outside. If he says that I can't trade within 10m of his premises, I'll go to 11 meters. If he says that he doesn't want to see me trading, I will put a basket over his head and continue trading.
Yes, he's a local legend. He's only known to take his clothes off before he goes into the Ladies' Lockerroom. Nobody knows what he does in there because he's invisible, but it's almost certainly tons of masturbating.
preordain was banned while VVK was still in production.
Grave-troll was banned day 1 in modern.
Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
Demonic Tutor DID happen. once. I'm not saying EVERY Duel Decks should do this, but after Jace v Chandra and Angels v Demons, it seems cruel to just stop making Duel Decks with really good cards. Phyrexian Negator was splashy-cool enough to sell that box, he's much better play value than his price online suggests- but I can't think of anything after Negator, or anything in between Tutor and Negator, that really said 'WOW' in a Duel Decks box other than 'Planeswalkers', and by the time Elspeth got her Duel Deck, it was realized that basically every Planeswalker seemed guaranteed one Duel Deck.
Watch "Sorin vs. Nissa" happen.
"Tibalt vs. Tamiyo"
"Sarkhan vs. Karn"
Seriously. just wait for it.
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
Demonic Tutor DID happen. once. I'm not saying EVERY Duel Decks should do this, but after Jace v Chandra and Angels v Demons, it seems cruel to just stop making Duel Decks with really good cards. Phyrexian Negator was splashy-cool enough to sell that box, he's much better play value than his price online suggests- but I can't think of anything after Negator, or anything in between Tutor and Negator, that really said 'WOW' in a Duel Decks box other than 'Planeswalkers', and by the time Elspeth got her Duel Deck, it was realized that basically every Planeswalker seemed guaranteed one Duel Deck.
Watch "Sorin vs. Nissa" happen.
"Tibalt vs. Tamiyo"
"Sarkhan vs. Karn"
Seriously. just wait for it.
Seeing as how that seems to be the only way I can ever get walker cards, I approve of that message. Seriously hard to design themed decks around them on a budget when most of the ones I want are over $10 a pop.
As far as these two decks go; given the text we have to work with (and has been said a bunch already) I'm willing to bet that we'll be seeing at least ONE of the mythic rare cover cards as a preview if not both. It would be shocking yes, but that's one hell of a way to sell a product to put a mythic rare preview (and chase ones at that) in such a side product.
It would boost sales of this Vs. deck exponentially, but on the flip side, there's a good chance that it would hurt RTR sales in the long run, so it's a risky maneuver.
Either way, the price of this thing is going to be inflated to stupid high levels in specialty stores.
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Brian Tinsman, Set Designer :?mana::snow::snow:
Legendary Creature – Human Designer (MR)
Brian Tinsman, Set Designer can only be cast during the third set of a block.
When Brian Tinsman, Set Designer enters the battlefield, ignore all flavor and mechanics of the first two sets in the block. "Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
2/2
Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
From my limited knowledge of the storyline of Ravnica (I plan on reading the books over the summer so I can prep for Return to Ravnica), both Sisters and Savra are killed for various reasons, so I do not think they will be in there.
I do see a preview mythic/rare legendary being Jarad, as he is the leader of Golgari at this time. I don't think Svogthos is Mythic level, but I expect it to be in the deck.
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From my limited knowledge of the storyline of Ravnica (I plan on reading the books over the summer so I can prep for Return to Ravnica), both Sisters and Savra are killed for various reasons, so I do not think they will be in there.
I do see a preview mythic/rare legendary being Jarad, as he is the leader of Golgari at this time. I don't think Svogthos is Mythic level, but I expect it to be in the deck.
Aside from promos, DD's (and this only because cards that used to be rare were bumped to Mythic,) and FTV's, they very rarely bump UP the rarity on cards. In fact, the only time I remember it distinctly happening was with good old Voice of All and the Lorwyn 5. Svogthos will probably be uncommon in the decks.
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Aside from promos, DD's (and this only because cards that used to be rare were bumped to Mythic,) and FTV's, they very rarely bump UP the rarity on cards. In fact, the only time I remember it distinctly happening was with good old Voice of All and the Lorwyn 5. Svogthos will probably be uncommon in the decks.
Sliver King was bumped from a Rare to a Mythic Rare in Premium Deck Series: Slivers.
Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
Demonic Tutor DID happen. once. I'm not saying EVERY Duel Decks should do this, but after Jace v Chandra and Angels v Demons, it seems cruel to just stop making Duel Decks with really good cards. Phyrexian Negator was splashy-cool enough to sell that box, he's much better play value than his price online suggests- but I can't think of anything after Negator, or anything in between Tutor and Negator, that really said 'WOW' in a Duel Decks box other than 'Planeswalkers', and by the time Elspeth got her Duel Deck, it was realized that basically every Planeswalker seemed guaranteed one Duel Deck.
Watch "Sorin vs. Nissa" happen.
"Tibalt vs. Tamiyo"
"Sarkhan vs. Karn"
Seriously. just wait for it.
Elspeth vs Tez got Swords to Plowshares. That is about all I can think of for other cool cards. I liked Mutilate in Liliana vs Garruk though
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My fav was them chaning Phyrexian Negator and Urza's Rage to Mythic... WTH! Urza's Rage?!?!?!?!!?!? lol And Bogarden Hellkite..though, I can see that one making sense.
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BUT NOT LORD OF THE PIT!!! That guy is SO Reprinted and NOT COOL! Why did he get Mythic Status!
I hope they give nivvy his origional flavor text. It was so awesome! I remember the first time I read it. I swear it fealt like it took me a week to figure it out. The FTV flavor was so stupid compared to his origional. I also like his new art.
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Hoping for a cure, or at least an outbreak.
My money is on a preview of the new block. Maybe a foil of Jarad's new elven lich form. I dont think the sisters or Savra will be the "main" card,they wouldn't stage the fight after the original city of guilds block if they planned to toss in those old legends.
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Not sure they will print Jared as the promo simply because he is a "New" Mythic. But you never know.
Cyriss07
Well they did call him by name,and it wouldnt just be because hes the "new mythic" would be because hes the current guild leader in the time frame selected.
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We are more likely to get the announcement for the next years planeswalker duel deck before the deck lists. That said we still don't have a image or card yet for this jarad fellow. After 2013 released we should get a much clearer picture of this duel deck and RTR in general. Also after the latest planechase wizards seem to be pushing the commander legends thing quite a lot. So expect niv and jarad to be pretty splashy
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Aside from promos, DD's (and this only because cards that used to be rare were bumped to Mythic,) and FTV's, they very rarely bump UP the rarity on cards. In fact, the only time I remember it distinctly happening was with good old Voice of All and the Lorwyn 5. Svogthos will probably be uncommon in the decks.
Originally Posted by Zsehaelax:
halo hunter can never kill baneslayer angel
Originally Posted by Jace, the Mindsculptor: 2/17
Oracle Rules text on Halo hunter from Gatherer:
When Halo Hunter enters the battlefield, destroy target Angel.
BSA is an angel, is it not??
Originally Posted by Zsehaelax:
Oracle Rules text on Baneslayer Angel:
"Protection from Demons" means the following:
Baneslayer Angel can't be targeted by abilities from sources with the creature type Demon"
Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
Demonic Tutor DID happen. once. I'm not saying EVERY Duel Decks should do this, but after Jace v Chandra and Angels v Demons, it seems cruel to just stop making Duel Decks with really good cards. Phyrexian Negator was splashy-cool enough to sell that box, he's much better play value than his price online suggests- but I can't think of anything after Negator, or anything in between Tutor and Negator, that really said 'WOW' in a Duel Decks box other than 'Planeswalkers', and by the time Elspeth got her Duel Deck, it was realized that basically every Planeswalker seemed guaranteed one Duel Deck.
Watch "Sorin vs. Nissa" happen.
"Tibalt vs. Tamiyo"
"Sarkhan vs. Karn"
Seriously. just wait for it.
The restless tomb would be a huge waste of a mythic slot. HUGE. A mythic land better do something beautiful and deckworthy if they are gonna fill a mythic slot with it. Especially since lands are utility. Especially since that would mean a cycle of 10 mythic lands. Which would be absolutely terrible for the set as a whole. Or a waste of 4/3/3 mythics slots if they use the same guild format as last time
W Jazal Goldmane WR Daretti, Scrap Savant R B Ghoulcaller Gisa BUG Prime Speaker ZeganaUG UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UGBG Nath, of the Gilt-Leaf BG RG Ruric Thar, the Unbowed RGUB Dragonlord Silumgar UB UBG Damia, Sage of Stone UBGWUG Roon of the Hidden Realm WUG WRG Marath, Will of the Wild WRGBRG Prossh, Skyrider of Kher BRG WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius WUBUBR Thraximundar UBR URG Yasova Dragonclaw URGWUR Zedruu, the Greathearted WUR WBG Daghatar the Adamant WBGWUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
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Yeah, it seems each duel deck is a fun buy, but I swear they get less and less cool every time. Though it was nice being able to get Emblems for Koth and Vensur, but not really a high demand. At least each DD has a chace uncommon it seems like. Though, Demonic Tutor takes the cake. Wish I would have been palying Magic durimg that time frame. Stupid 3 year break!
Cyriss07
Yeah, I really hope all 10 staples see reprint. Can't wait to play some Grull again... with Wold Run! Mwhahaha....Don't care about Char...talk about a card that has failed in value since it rolled out of Standard lol.
Cyriss07
Agree, recent duel decks seem to be getting worse then before. Let's hope they dont design crappy stuffs again.
Good duel decks are not necessarily ZOMG VALUE. Did anybody actually play Venser v. Koth? Its supposed to be *fun*.
"Supposed to" being the key word. I played it. It wasn't nearly as fun as the only other I have played, Elves vs. Goblins deck.
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Which is why it is the only card I associate with the Golgari Guild that warrants MYTHIC rarity, except for
1) Legends (Sisters of Stone Death or Savra Queen of Golgari)
2) Svogthos the Restless Tomb
3) A preview Rare.
If the foil is not a Guild leader, or a Preview card, then it had better be a constructed worthy card, or a card famous for being bad-ass somehow.
Nicol Bolas is an example of a bad ass card that doesn't get out to Top Tables much,
Demonic Tutor DID happen. once. I'm not saying EVERY Duel Decks should do this, but after Jace v Chandra and Angels v Demons, it seems cruel to just stop making Duel Decks with really good cards. Phyrexian Negator was splashy-cool enough to sell that box, he's much better play value than his price online suggests- but I can't think of anything after Negator, or anything in between Tutor and Negator, that really said 'WOW' in a Duel Decks box other than 'Planeswalkers', and by the time Elspeth got her Duel Deck, it was realized that basically every Planeswalker seemed guaranteed one Duel Deck.
Watch "Sorin vs. Nissa" happen.
"Tibalt vs. Tamiyo"
"Sarkhan vs. Karn"
Seriously. just wait for it.
People need to read this fanfiction, though:
www.hpmor.com
I am probably every color-combination it is possible to be, though it's really hard to figure out what it would mean to be 4-colored....it doesn't seem logical to be 4-colored without being 5-colored.
Seeing as how that seems to be the only way I can ever get walker cards, I approve of that message. Seriously hard to design themed decks around them on a budget when most of the ones I want are over $10 a pop.
As far as these two decks go; given the text we have to work with (and has been said a bunch already) I'm willing to bet that we'll be seeing at least ONE of the mythic rare cover cards as a preview if not both. It would be shocking yes, but that's one hell of a way to sell a product to put a mythic rare preview (and chase ones at that) in such a side product.
It would boost sales of this Vs. deck exponentially, but on the flip side, there's a good chance that it would hurt RTR sales in the long run, so it's a risky maneuver.
Either way, the price of this thing is going to be inflated to stupid high levels in specialty stores.
Legendary Creature – Human Designer (MR)
Brian Tinsman, Set Designer can only be cast during the third set of a block.
When Brian Tinsman, Set Designer enters the battlefield, ignore all flavor and mechanics of the first two sets in the block.
"Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
2/2
From my limited knowledge of the storyline of Ravnica (I plan on reading the books over the summer so I can prep for Return to Ravnica), both Sisters and Savra are killed for various reasons, so I do not think they will be in there.
I do see a preview mythic/rare legendary being Jarad, as he is the leader of Golgari at this time. I don't think Svogthos is Mythic level, but I expect it to be in the deck.
—Lazav
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Aside from promos, DD's (and this only because cards that used to be rare were bumped to Mythic,) and FTV's, they very rarely bump UP the rarity on cards. In fact, the only time I remember it distinctly happening was with good old Voice of All and the Lorwyn 5. Svogthos will probably be uncommon in the decks.
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BGGlissa, The Traitor - Recursion (Primer)
WBRKaalia of The Vast
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WUBSydri, Galvanic Genius
UBRamirez DePietro
GWKrond, The Dawn-Clad
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Tactician
RGOmnath, Locus of Rage
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Sliver King was bumped from a Rare to a Mythic Rare in Premium Deck Series: Slivers.
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Elspeth vs Tez got Swords to Plowshares. That is about all I can think of for other cool cards. I liked Mutilate in Liliana vs Garruk though
Cyriss07
Same decks had Mishra's Factory.
Dont forget knight of the reliquary which is mythic rare in ulity mostly
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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My fav was them chaning Phyrexian Negator and Urza's Rage to Mythic... WTH! Urza's Rage?!?!?!?!!?!? lol And Bogarden Hellkite..though, I can see that one making sense.
Cyriss07
BUT NOT LORD OF THE PIT!!! That guy is SO Reprinted and NOT COOL! Why did he get Mythic Status!
Hoping for a cure, or at least an outbreak.
Level 1 Judge (yay)
Me and my friend played with the VVK decks for about a week solid before we tore them apart. They were almost totally evenly matched the ENTIRE time.
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There is buried treasure everywhere...in a graveyard.
Cyriss07
Well they did call him by name,and it wouldnt just be because hes the "new mythic" would be because hes the current guild leader in the time frame selected.
There is buried treasure everywhere...in a graveyard.
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Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
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Serra Angel became a rare for a few basic editions (7,8,9 and 10th) before going back to uncommon.
Hypnotic Specter, Loxodon Warhammer, Clone, Hurricane, Underworld Dreams, Fallen Angel- all printed at uncommon and upgraded to rares, most after being printed at uncommon more than once.
Drudge Skeletons went from common to uncommon for a bit.
Cruel Edict, Fireball, Corrupt, Oblivion Ring and Ornithopter were originally printed at common.
Theft of Dreams went uncommon to common in Exodus to uncommon again.
Phantom Warrior, Exhaustion, Summer Bloom, Blinding Light, Prosperity, Pyroclasm are all rare in portal and starter sets.
Bogardan Hellkite, Darksteel Colossus, Platinum Angel, Time Warp are now mythics in the M-sets.
That is just to name a few, but they rarely do this sort of thing.
halo hunter can never kill baneslayer angel
Originally Posted by Jace, the Mindsculptor: 2/17
Oracle Rules text on Halo hunter from Gatherer:
When Halo Hunter enters the battlefield, destroy target Angel.
BSA is an angel, is it not??
Originally Posted by Zsehaelax:
Oracle Rules text on Baneslayer Angel:
"Protection from Demons" means the following:
Baneslayer Angel can't be targeted by abilities from sources with the creature type Demon"
pwnt
There is buried treasure everywhere...in a graveyard.
The restless tomb would be a huge waste of a mythic slot. HUGE. A mythic land better do something beautiful and deckworthy if they are gonna fill a mythic slot with it. Especially since lands are utility. Especially since that would mean a cycle of 10 mythic lands. Which would be absolutely terrible for the set as a whole. Or a waste of 4/3/3 mythics slots if they use the same guild format as last time
Also, Urza's Rage and Phyrexian Negator became mythic in Phyrexia vs the Coalition.
W Jazal Goldmane W R Daretti, Scrap Savant R
B Ghoulcaller Gisa B UG Prime Speaker ZeganaUG
UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UG BG Nath, of the Gilt-Leaf BG
RG Ruric Thar, the Unbowed RG UB Dragonlord Silumgar UB
UBG Damia, Sage of Stone UBG WUG Roon of the Hidden Realm WUG
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild WRG BRG Prossh, Skyrider of Kher BRG
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius WUB UBR Thraximundar UBR
URG Yasova Dragonclaw URG WUR Zedruu, the Greathearted WUR
WBG Daghatar the Adamant WBG WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG