Pretty good in token based decks for limited and eventually standard...maybe.
The dragon itself doesn't have to attack, so it's alot harder for them to get rid of it. Trading fatties or risk dying to some 1/1 firebreathing tokens really sucks.
I think the flavor text is way off. Dragons are the real zombies, zombies are just posers. Dragons are the one who come back every single set and refuse to die no matter how much abuse we heap on them. Dragons are brainlessly designed and every single one is roughly identical. And dragons eat people.
This one might just actually see constructed play on rotation and can actually be built around, good design, better than the regular 'i win' dragons for limited.
Wait....it's a 5/5? So it dies to dismember? (╯°^°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
I think the bigger problem with this card is that, even though it brutalizes in RDW, that's probably the only deck that'll be able to pump out those 3 reds, because I can't see wolf run playing this.
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I get to watch worlds develop around me.
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
That was my thought too. Big. Dumb. RAAAAWWWRRR! It's going right in Karrthus when I pay my $1.50 for one
My EDH dragons deck is Zirilan, where this guy is actually pretty weak because I only tutor up one dragon at a time barring some Rings of Brighthearth shenanigans. Balefire Dragon is actually better there. But if the foil looks cool, this guy might make it in one of the slots I reserve for less-powerful historic and/or aesthetically-pleasing dragons.
I don't actually mind these being mythic at least some of the time. For one, it improves limited play. For another, while it's nice that they make the foil angels and dragons the rares on intro decks much of the time, making them easier to pick up casually, it does take away from the specialness of them a little when they're printed that heavily.
Hazezon Tamar Commander might just find a spot for it, but is it beter than Mirror Entity?
I do love the art but it looks so crap in the new red frame. When they changed the Frames red def got the crap end, its so light it looks pink, horrible frame color contrast for such a beautiful Dragon, would have been heaps beter as a white card maybe. Mass pump is a lot beter than any of the abilities on dragons since flame blast.
No. It shouldn't. It's just terribad minus EDH/Limited. Mythics should be a instant game changer
The three mana requirement to the weakest color in the format means this card isn't good in EDH either.
Unless it says "you win the game" three red or three white mana in the mana cost probably spells a very bad card in EDH. Going mono in either colour is suicide. Or close to it.
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You've got a rat in your walls, and cheese won't solve anything.
What a cool ability. What a terrible, terrible cost and body. I'm tired of awful, enormous dragons. How about 2RR for a 3/2 (Wizards favorite body for red creatures)? Or Haste - not that there would be any mana to pump it on turn 6. This is actively worse than Instigator Gang.
Mythics should be playable in standard, at least. This is rubbish.
I think the flavor text is way off. Dragons are the real zombies, zombies are just posers. Dragons are the one who come back every single set and refuse to die no matter how much abuse we heap on them.
Yeah, that's what the Dovahkiin is for.
...I am so sorry. In other news, I've come to like the dragons on Innistrad. It feels "off" if you're sticking strictly to gothic horror, but seeing how they would fit into a horror setting is actually pretty cool. It's unique.
I know the issue has come up before: Why is there a dragon on Innistrad? I just don't feel like dragons have a place in this environment.
Do you remember a card called Vampric Dragon (which I could so see being reprinted in this set! But we get this one instead..) Or the very simple fact that many storylines have dragons as a/the source of magic? And how many legendary dragons are there? No, dragons do fit on this plane... just need to be rare. And yes, this is going right into my Ur-Dragon deck...
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Ashling the Pilgram
Omanath
Sliver Overlord
Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Ashling the Extinguisher(swaps with Skittles!)
Sakashima the Impostor
Under construction:
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I have rule: No General should cost more than 5 mana... EVER!
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Standard: RWB Dega Burn RWB
Modern: 1 Top Control 1
Legacy: XU Manaless Blue Dredge XU
EDH: Edric, Spymaster of Tres 1UG
Mishra, Artificer Prodigy 1UBR
Meeeeh. D: Have to get it for my dragon collection, though.
With posts like this its laughable when people are like,
"WTF, why is there another dragon in this block?"
Dragons and Angels are a marketing tool I have never met someone with an elf collection or goblin collection but I have seen multiple people that collect Angels or Dragons.
Notice all the dragons in Innistrad block so far have been mythic rare, as opposed to just rare. That would suggest that they are much less prevalent here than on Zendikar or Alara. So yeah, they might not fit in flavor-wise so much but at least they seem much less pervasive... which definitely helps flavor-wise. Helps suspend disbelief or whatever.
Of course, maybe there's a reason there are so few dragons on the plane of Innistrad. I'm sure my buddy Doug Beyer will come up with something completely underwhelming and deflating that will completely destroy everything that was cool about Innistrad in the first place.
Back to the card. Card is awesome and will fit in nicely in many red-based EDH decks. Killer in limited too, but fails the Titan test. Amazing artwork too.
With posts like this its laughable when people are like,
"WTF, why is there another dragon in this set?"
Dragons and Angels are a marketing tool I have never met someone with an elf collection or goblin collection but I have seen multiple people that collect Angels or Dragons.
I understand that, but my personal opinion is simply that shoehorning a dragon into the set creates such an incongruity in flavor to me that I don't think it's worth catering to the people of the world that have Dragon collections. Dragons fit seemingly everywhere else to the point that I think it would have been worth it to sit them out for a block.
I'm interested what dragons are doing on innistrad story wise. "hey... Flappy, check this out. All this f'd up crap is happening over on innistrad. That means free treasure since everyone Will be more interested in saving their own ass then their jewelry. So pack your bag pal, FREE TREASURE!!!"
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I like it. It's a decent beater and not and an overpowered jumble of keywords and undercosting. It's not amazing, but solidly good, IMO.
As for dragons on Innistrad and the whole gothic horror theme, I think that they can fit in the way they've been handled. If a plane can have bizarre bestial horrors and lizard beasts and everything else, then it can certainly have a few dragons haunting the mountains and chowing down on hamlets. I don't see them more as a shoehorn in, rather than a feature of the natural world that isn't quite as horrific as everything else, since it's not the outright bestial hunger of green but still a fearsome foe.
EDIT: I would definitely prefer if there was a bit more integration, like flavour that dragonslaying (like St. George and the dragon) was part of the duties of the strongest of the church's forces in order to protect the meek, but has fallen by the wayside in the face of scarier things (pre-gothic horror horrors giving way to the even worse things that each new day dreams up, so to speak).
Dragons and Angels are a marketing tool I have never met someone with an elf collection or goblin collection but I have seen multiple people that collect Angels or Dragons.
What I don't like about these sets is the inclusion of dragons. They just don't fit in. Seeing them in INN and now DKA only reminds me of the business-side of the game. "Well, our research shows people like dragons. So...put 'em in. It doesn't matter if they feel inorganic in relation to the rest of the set."
INN block will probably go down as one of the most flavorful blocks in all of Magic. But the inclusion of dragons merely works against this.
I don't get that. I just don't get it.
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No. It shouldn't. It's just terribad minus EDH/Limited. Mythics should be a instant game changer
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The dragon itself doesn't have to attack, so it's alot harder for them to get rid of it. Trading fatties or risk dying to some 1/1 firebreathing tokens really sucks.
So Army of the Damned isn't a mythic?
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I think the bigger problem with this card is that, even though it brutalizes in RDW, that's probably the only deck that'll be able to pump out those 3 reds, because I can't see wolf run playing this.
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
My EDH dragons deck is Zirilan, where this guy is actually pretty weak because I only tutor up one dragon at a time barring some Rings of Brighthearth shenanigans. Balefire Dragon is actually better there. But if the foil looks cool, this guy might make it in one of the slots I reserve for less-powerful historic and/or aesthetically-pleasing dragons.
I don't actually mind these being mythic at least some of the time. For one, it improves limited play. For another, while it's nice that they make the foil angels and dragons the rares on intro decks much of the time, making them easier to pick up casually, it does take away from the specialness of them a little when they're printed that heavily.
I do love the art but it looks so crap in the new red frame. When they changed the Frames red def got the crap end, its so light it looks pink, horrible frame color contrast for such a beautiful Dragon, would have been heaps beter as a white card maybe. Mass pump is a lot beter than any of the abilities on dragons since flame blast.
in bad ones lol
The three mana requirement to the weakest color in the format means this card isn't good in EDH either.
Unless it says "you win the game" three red or three white mana in the mana cost probably spells a very bad card in EDH. Going mono in either colour is suicide. Or close to it.
Mythics should be playable in standard, at least. This is rubbish.
Yeah, that's what the Dovahkiin is for.
...I am so sorry. In other news, I've come to like the dragons on Innistrad. It feels "off" if you're sticking strictly to gothic horror, but seeing how they would fit into a horror setting is actually pretty cool. It's unique.
WUR Geist Midrange WUR
Commander
W Nahiri's Celestial Foundry W
WB Orzhov Inquisition (Cleric Tribal) WB
WUBRG Progenitus's Prismatic Domain WUBRG
WURG Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Love You WURG
WUG Rafiq of the Many Auracrafting WUG
WRG Hazezon Tamar Overrun WRG
G Seton's Druid Ramp G
Do you remember a card called Vampric Dragon (which I could so see being reprinted in this set! But we get this one instead..) Or the very simple fact that many storylines have dragons as a/the source of magic? And how many legendary dragons are there? No, dragons do fit on this plane... just need to be rare. And yes, this is going right into my Ur-Dragon deck...
Captain Sisay
Karn, Silver Golum
Ashling the Pilgram
Omanath
Sliver Overlord
Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Ashling the Extinguisher(swaps with Skittles!)
Sakashima the Impostor
Under construction:
Geist of Saint Traft
I have rule: No General should cost more than 5 mana... EVER!
Breaking my rule... Bruna is FUN!!!!!
Also, more random dragons on Innistrad...
Standard: RWB Dega Burn RWB
Modern: 1 Top Control 1
Legacy: XU Manaless Blue Dredge XU
EDH: Edric, Spymaster of Tres 1UG
Mishra, Artificer Prodigy 1UBR
I miss casting Snapcaster Mage + Rampant Growth
With posts like this its laughable when people are like,
"WTF, why is there another dragon in this block?"
Dragons and Angels are a marketing tool I have never met someone with an elf collection or goblin collection but I have seen multiple people that collect Angels or Dragons.
Feel free to bid on my cards here!
Of course, maybe there's a reason there are so few dragons on the plane of Innistrad. I'm sure my buddy Doug Beyer will come up with something completely underwhelming and deflating that will completely destroy everything that was cool about Innistrad in the first place.
Back to the card. Card is awesome and will fit in nicely in many red-based EDH decks. Killer in limited too, but fails the Titan test. Amazing artwork too.
I understand that, but my personal opinion is simply that shoehorning a dragon into the set creates such an incongruity in flavor to me that I don't think it's worth catering to the people of the world that have Dragon collections. Dragons fit seemingly everywhere else to the point that I think it would have been worth it to sit them out for a block.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
As for dragons on Innistrad and the whole gothic horror theme, I think that they can fit in the way they've been handled. If a plane can have bizarre bestial horrors and lizard beasts and everything else, then it can certainly have a few dragons haunting the mountains and chowing down on hamlets. I don't see them more as a shoehorn in, rather than a feature of the natural world that isn't quite as horrific as everything else, since it's not the outright bestial hunger of green but still a fearsome foe.
EDIT: I would definitely prefer if there was a bit more integration, like flavour that dragonslaying (like St. George and the dragon) was part of the duties of the strongest of the church's forces in order to protect the meek, but has fallen by the wayside in the face of scarier things (pre-gothic horror horrors giving way to the even worse things that each new day dreams up, so to speak).
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What I don't like about these sets is the inclusion of dragons. They just don't fit in. Seeing them in INN and now DKA only reminds me of the business-side of the game. "Well, our research shows people like dragons. So...put 'em in. It doesn't matter if they feel inorganic in relation to the rest of the set."
INN block will probably go down as one of the most flavorful blocks in all of Magic. But the inclusion of dragons merely works against this.
I don't get that. I just don't get it.