You guys are saying the duals just come into play untapped Turn 1 and 2, but they read "unless you control two or fewer other lands." That would mean they would come into play untapped as your third land as well.
Tunnel Ingus? Really? That is the most hysterical card right now. Attack with Primeval Titan, get Valakut, take 6. Play a mountain to kill Ingus, take another 3. Seems pretty good SB for Red.
I liked the dual lands... I wonder if they are going to see play or not. They all have great arts by the way! The phyrexian lord is great too.
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Tunnel Ignus = Fetch hoser. I guess that they decided that fetches where a problem and decided to give us 2(or more) cards to hose them. I can see him in RDW decks in about any format.
interesting duals
almost as ggood as originals early game (turn 1-3) and CITPT lands later...
interesting is an understatement
Almost, yeah. I'd say, for the eternal formats, these are behind only the originals and Ravnica cycle. But having the basic types is big, thanks to the Onslaught and Zendy fetchlands. So that distinction - third best cycle for eternal formats - really shouldn't mean anything, since they probably won't be showing up all that often.
For standard, these are nothing crazy. Good, not great. Don't work well with the M10 cycle.
The core dual lands seem way stronger... especially with fetches. I do feel it should of been uncommon too. I think we are all really waiting for is the new locus land more so.
@Tunnel Ignus: Well there goes Scapeshift combo, due to APNAP. LOL Seriously punishing for any ramp deck or any deck that focuses on fetches. Seems like a decent SB card, even in Legacy RDW.
Am I the only one that thinks these duals are terrible for Standard?
Lets say 4 Fetches, 4 Duals, Rest basics. I'd rather have 4 M10 Duals than these new ones. How likely is it that youre going to get all 4 in the first few turns? Similar, how likely is it that youre going to grab only the M10 duals without a basic land inbetween?
I'm SO EXCITED for the duals... too bad they don't play nice with Koth.
Aggro duals, FTW
Venser's journal, seems like another crap rare... even for EDH
Infect lord just seems meh. Prove me wrong, but I don't like it.
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Hand - 4 drop, 2 toughness - fail, casual at best.
Lands - aggro-dual lands? Likely fail.
Library - I sincerely think this could have cost 4, but I doubt it will see play at 5. If you can give it flash, though, U/W control might like it.
Tunnel Ingus - Listen, I know red (and green) get LD, but pretty much only green gets land acceleration (white scarcely does). If WOTC would proof read their crap every once in a while, they wouldn't need to print cycles of really poorly designed cards to "remind" you that red likes green and hates blue and white. This card seems "fair", but probably isn't tier 1.
Wow, Wizards really must be worried about ramp. Between the Ignus and the Arbiter, ramp has a rough road ahead of it.
Also, is it just me, or does this whole "anti-ramp" thing feel sort of last-minute? I know that Wizards probably had these cards planned for quite some time, but it does feel a bit like cheating when right after a type of deck becomes popular not one but two tech cards against it are released.
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I think with these duals and my affinity for hyper aggro strategies... I just skip m10 duals all around while this is legal. WIZARDS!!! WE NEED MORE FOR ENEMY COLORS!!! B/W and U/G are my all time favorite color combos... enough with the ally bull☺☺☺☺.
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Geezus...I'm glad I'm not the only person that actually read the duals. It says 2 or fewer OTHER lands...meaning even if it's your third land, it comes into play untapped. I think these are awesome. People use trilands and refuges later in the game. Don't even tell me that the 1 life you gain is that awesome. These duals are much better. I'd rather have a hand of 3 of these duals than 3 refuges any day.
Also, I've been testing Infect on MWS for over a week and its been testing pretty well, this will put it over the top. Plus, Izzy is now my new favorite artist. The art on this card is S-I-C-K!!!! AWESOME JOB IZZY!
I'm SO EXCITED for the duals... too bad they don't play nice with Koth.
Aggro duals, FTW
Venser's journal, seems like another crap rare... even for EDH
Infect lord just seems meh. Prove me wrong, but I don't like it.
Journal fits in very selective niche decks in EDH....I run WGU Angus MacKenzie turbofog/prison, and it fits in there perfectly.
How you think that lord is meh is beyond me. Ichor Rats give your opponent 2 poison counters just for getting played, not to mention 3 more if they hit, not to mention all the other infect already spoiled and waiting to be spoiled.
Poison is going to be big in new standard, I guarantee it.
For sure some of these dual lands should be valued higher than others. The GW and GR versions will be worth the most I think. Then BR and UB and finally UW.
I don think u/w needs any more mana fixing, i mean seriously, its not like u/w control isn't a T1 deck... I think they should of just made it enemy colors so that we have some form of fixing for enemy colored decks. Right now for allies, duals + manland is just way to easy, they dont need more help. I don't think people out there are saying, well if only allied had better mana fixing i'd play more allied color decks. I wanna see some enemy colored decks aside from just U/R Pyro.
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RGWUBRWBGUR
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T1: 1/1 Infect (cause you know there will be one)
T2: 1/1 Flyer or Ichorclaw Myr
T3: Ichor Rats
T4: Lord
T5: Skithiryx
Is it a perfect opener? Yeah, but it's also complete badassery!
W/R Myr and B/x Infect.....two decks ready to go.
Almost, yeah. I'd say, for the eternal formats, these are behind only the originals and Ravnica cycle. But having the basic types is big, thanks to the Onslaught and Zendy fetchlands. So that distinction - third best cycle for eternal formats - really shouldn't mean anything, since they probably won't be showing up all that often.
For standard, these are nothing crazy. Good, not great. Don't work well with the M10 cycle.
Lets say 4 Fetches, 4 Duals, Rest basics. I'd rather have 4 M10 Duals than these new ones. How likely is it that youre going to get all 4 in the first few turns? Similar, how likely is it that youre going to grab only the M10 duals without a basic land inbetween?
Aggro duals, FTW
Venser's journal, seems like another crap rare... even for EDH
Infect lord just seems meh. Prove me wrong, but I don't like it.
BRVampires BR
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RGWZoo RGW
Vintage
BDredge B
Commander
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Why do I get the feeling that there's an individual on the R&D staff cackling over getting this one through the filters...
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Lands - aggro-dual lands? Likely fail.
Library - I sincerely think this could have cost 4, but I doubt it will see play at 5. If you can give it flash, though, U/W control might like it.
Tunnel Ingus - Listen, I know red (and green) get LD, but pretty much only green gets land acceleration (white scarcely does). If WOTC would proof read their crap every once in a while, they wouldn't need to print cycles of really poorly designed cards to "remind" you that red likes green and hates blue and white. This card seems "fair", but probably isn't tier 1.
Also, is it just me, or does this whole "anti-ramp" thing feel sort of last-minute? I know that Wizards probably had these cards planned for quite some time, but it does feel a bit like cheating when right after a type of deck becomes popular not one but two tech cards against it are released.
Nope; you're not alone.
I could possibly see their use, but I'll gladly take M10 duals of these any day of the week. Not even a competition really.
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Geezus...I'm glad I'm not the only person that actually read the duals. It says 2 or fewer OTHER lands...meaning even if it's your third land, it comes into play untapped. I think these are awesome. People use trilands and refuges later in the game. Don't even tell me that the 1 life you gain is that awesome. These duals are much better. I'd rather have a hand of 3 of these duals than 3 refuges any day.
Also, I've been testing Infect on MWS for over a week and its been testing pretty well, this will put it over the top. Plus, Izzy is now my new favorite artist. The art on this card is S-I-C-K!!!! AWESOME JOB IZZY!
Journal fits in very selective niche decks in EDH....I run WGU Angus MacKenzie turbofog/prison, and it fits in there perfectly.
How you think that lord is meh is beyond me. Ichor Rats give your opponent 2 poison counters just for getting played, not to mention 3 more if they hit, not to mention all the other infect already spoiled and waiting to be spoiled.
Poison is going to be big in new standard, I guarantee it.
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