I am so happy with th way this set is shaping up it's not even funny. We get a return to viable combo AND solid control cards to back up the combo? It's a good season to be an island-humper
This card makes me really happy. It is the first strictly better Cancel printed since Cancel came out. It means the standard CMC for counterspells is slowly moving back towards 2.
If people really want to play permission control I see no problem with this card whatsoever.
Lodestone Golems, Orniothopters, Memnites, heck etched champion, Mox opal, Everflowing chalice, just to name a few can help with a mono blue Permission deck.
no offense, but wtf kind of permission deck are you playing running ornithopters and memnites? permission is about maintaining card advantage while countering relevant threats until you can drop and protect a finisher or combo, not wasting slots in your deck on useless chumps.
I love how every metalworking card that is spoiled has people imagining how nice it would work out with Ornithopters and Memnites. C'mon, nobody is seriously running that garbage. I'd like to see the card so amazing that it makes devoting 8 slots of a deck to ornithopters and memnites seem like a good idea, but this ain't it.
i mostly agree. although Tempered Steel might qualify as worth running 0-drop artifact creatures for.
Metalcraft almost feels like affinity to me in a way.
that was the point. MaRo said he fought hard to keep affinity in the set, but in the end they felt it wasn't worth the potential risk. so they came up with a mechanic that happened to have a similar feel to it, but wouldn't provoke the ire of so many people that still have a bad taste in their mouths from 2004.
i think it would be funny if metalcraft simply inherits the broken legacy of affinity and ends up spawning another format-breaking deck that ends in Ban-Fest 2010: The Return of the Curse of the Creature's Ghost.
Oh man... this is WAY to much cheap denial we got mana leakdeprieve and now this. I mean I'm a blue only player and I don't even want this card. Please tell me there are no more counter spells coming out...
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Stoic Rebuttal- it's a better Cancel, but unless we get a few more cheap artifacts that work well with control decks(currently it's pretty much just Chalice), it won't have much of an impact. Still nice in some sort of blue artifact aggro control deck along side Mana Leak.
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Another thing, if we are looking to cast Stoic Rebuttal on the second turn, do we really want to have 3 other artifacts on the board to ensure we can do this considering that our hand could be on the verge of being empty?
Very good point - but what happens later on when you have 8-10 mana available, including three artifacts ? Then we say no for 2 mana rather than 3 - one less mana left open when casting that baneslayer or Titan.
haha, again so close to counterspell but nowhere near it, it's so fun , the design space is limitless, i can definately see this player by decks with few to many artifacts instead of deprive easily
Oh man... this is WAY to much cheap denial we got mana leakdeprieve and now this. I mean I'm a blue only player and I don't even want this card. Please tell me there are no more counter spells coming out...
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why the ☺☺☺☺ do you think cancel is broken.... seriously
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So, at the stage of the game when you want it to be cheap, it's not, and at the one you could pay a little more for your counterspells is when it gets cheaper. Hmm.
Seems like the pro and anti counter sides both hate it - so it must be ok.
Seems like a decent card, I don't see any downside from running this if instead of Cancel, and it gives control more tools with which to work. So yeah, it's not going to make anyone's head explode, but it's a usable card.
Because everyone knows that mana drain is way over the top and is not getting reprinted. Like when people hope for 4 cost draw 3 but don't wish for ancesteral recall because they keep their dreams realistic.;)
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I'm very certain this thing will see play. UW control already runs Chalice, and there are some pretty good artifacts that could easily fit into that deck.
Because everyone knows that mana drain is way over the top and is not getting reprinted. Like when people hope for 4 cost draw 3 but don't wish for ancesteral recall because they keep their dreams realistic.;)
Not only did you miss the sarcasm, you broke your own quote tags. And somehow managed to copypasta my post. I thing the only thing worse about that is you were pointing out the obvious.
Not only did you miss the sarcasm, you broke your own quote tags. And somehow managed to copypasta my post. I thing the only thing worse about that is you were pointing out the obvious.
It's card no 46 of the set, as said at the bottom of the card if you couldn't tell, also this is so a replacement for cancel, same exact cost but metalcraft makes it ten times better then cancel
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Not bad actually. Pretty straight forward.
Metalcraft almost feels like affinity to me in a way.
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not saying it's necessarily bad, just boring.
cancel was obsolete over a decade before they printed it.
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i'd run this over cancel in a deck without artifacts just because i hate cancel that much.
no offense, but wtf kind of permission deck are you playing running ornithopters and memnites? permission is about maintaining card advantage while countering relevant threats until you can drop and protect a finisher or combo, not wasting slots in your deck on useless chumps.
i mostly agree. although Tempered Steel might qualify as worth running 0-drop artifact creatures for.
i know, right?
that was the point. MaRo said he fought hard to keep affinity in the set, but in the end they felt it wasn't worth the potential risk. so they came up with a mechanic that happened to have a similar feel to it, but wouldn't provoke the ire of so many people that still have a bad taste in their mouths from 2004.
i think it would be funny if metalcraft simply inherits the broken legacy of affinity and ends up spawning another format-breaking deck that ends in Ban-Fest 2010: The Return of the Curse of the Creature's Ghost.
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Very good point - but what happens later on when you have 8-10 mana available, including three artifacts ? Then we say no for 2 mana rather than 3 - one less mana left open when casting that baneslayer or Titan.
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Most UW decks are also running Elspeth, Knight Errant, Path to Exile and Oblivion Ring - as the stock market says - past performance is not indicative of future results.
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the art is really nice too
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Seems like a decent card, I don't see any downside from running this if instead of Cancel, and it gives control more tools with which to work. So yeah, it's not going to make anyone's head explode, but it's a usable card.
I don't understand why people say Counterspell is so good when a card like Mana Drain exists.
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Not only did you miss the sarcasm, you broke your own quote tags. And somehow managed to copypasta my post. I thing the only thing worse about that is you were pointing out the obvious.
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It's card no 46 of the set, as said at the bottom of the card if you couldn't tell, also this is so a replacement for cancel, same exact cost but metalcraft makes it ten times better then cancel
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