Ingenuity makes me think a good counterspell won't be seen. Which I'm completely fine with as I don't really want an environment where we see good counter magic alongside instant speed draw.
However, I don't think a counter based on Inquisition of Kozilek would be an issue. They're making narrow counter magic based on instants/creatures/non-creatures, why not play with the cost as well?
But almost nobody that isn't a new player would want Jace 1.0. And if they do, they'd already have copies of him. If a new player's coming to the game, I doubt a 4th ability on a Planeswalker is going to boggle their mind any further.
And who doesn't want Elspeth over Ajani? Clearly Elspeth isn't being reprinted in his place.
wow these cards look gorgeous!
even the obligatory core set serpent isn't that terrible anymore! the scry card looks nice, the draw spell is plenty playable, and I love that they are returning to the out of magic quotes!
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These are awesome! And they even did Islandhome decently for once! (yeah, yeah, Floodchaser wasn't that bad either, I guess...) Instant Draw 3? Sign me up! This is starting to look like a nice core set. The only thing that bothers me is that they're slapping the planeswalkers' names on everything. Hopefully they don't go too overboard with that.
Ingenuity..why is everyone falling over themselves to praise this card? It's reasonably costed, nothing more.
Standard will loveit but I don't see it getting played outside of there.
I don't get it.
You obviously haven't followed Standard in the last few years then. The mere fact that people are amped over Ingenuity should speak volumes as to how poor Blue's instant card draw spells have been in recent memory.
I am stoked for both Foresee's return and Preordain. Yay. Now all we need is a 1U enchantment at uncommon that lets you stick a +1/+1 counter on one of your critters whenever you draw a card.
You obviously haven't followed Standard in the last few years then. The mere fact that people are amped over Ingenuity should speak volumes as to how poor Blue's instant card draw spells have been in recent memory.
Well they had a philosophy of NO instant speed card draw between Ravnica and, well... today. The only thing that really broke this was Esper Charm, and that was in 3 colors.
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to cast for Instant speed "Draw 3" seems 'on-curve', 'reasonable' or 'fair', not 'amazing'.
Here's an example of Amazing card draw in :symu:, for reference.
The fact that blue's been so totally kicked in the nuts for several years now is the only reason this looks 'amazing' to Standard players.
Imo.
It is a very welcome relief for Blue players, I don't deny that at all. I understand, really I do.
You're right. It isn't amazing, but compared to the draw spells Type2 and Limited have seen lately it looks great. The fact that it's common (like all the Planeswalker spells) is crazy. Seeing a hyper-Concentrate at Common next to a 3/2 Trample for 2, or a 2/1 Black flyer with discard attached will be interesting.
How has it possibly been nerfed? Jace is the best card Standard has nowadays. Mind Spring is a house itself. And you're complaining that you got Mysteries of the Deep? Maybe I should complaining about Runclaw Bears or Stampeding Rhino because not every common every printed is Constructed worthy. Gosh, blue mages go for a quarter of the year without having the best spells in the game and they really start to get out of hand.
What??? The common is great with Howling Mine (i know its only going to be in standard with this for like 3 months but thats still some time and maybe Howling Mine will be in SoM).
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just incase you forgot, the 0 ability on jace reads "Draw three cards then put two cards from your hand on the top of your library in any order"
also I'm sure they're either going to print howling mine or font of mythos.
Yeah probably the best instant speed blue draw that is 'fair' is fact or fiction simply because you usually draw 3 cards for 4 mana or you get really good card quality out of it. And if your opponent is bad, FoF becomes a lot better because they might make the wrong piles.
I like ingenuity I really do but we just got mysteries of the deep for blue card draw at instant speed and it is a draw 3 as well despite needing to crack a fetch to draw 3 on your opponents turn (really isn't that hard to do with a control deck IMO because they could run a very high number of fetches in their manabase).
I really like preordain its like serum visions but potentially a lot better. Very solid blue cantrip for 1.
That blue instant for U is like snakeform but without the carddraw. It could be playable in constructed maybe.
The GG 3/2 trampler isn't that good. Maybe if it were 1G it would be playable but as is, only monogreen likes the card. We just got a 4/5 for GGG and that card is totally worthless as will be this 3/2 for GG
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How has it possibly been nerfed? Jace is the best card Standard has nowadays. Mind Spring is a house itself. And you're complaining that you got Mysteries of the Deep? Maybe I should complaining about Runclaw Bears or Stampeding Rhino because not every common every printed is Constructed worthy. Gosh, blue mages go for a quarter of the year without having the best spells in the game and they really start to get out of hand.
I thought wizards was going to stop the "real world" feel. Thats why Grizzly Bears was changed to Runeclaw Bear. Diminsh is awsome but quoting Alice's Adventures in Wonderland....what? Oh well.
And blue gets a Man-o-War functional reprint (with a slightly different cost, but whatever), a serum visions functional reprint, instant speed card draw at a vary reasonable cost, while aggro does not get much... it seems like the age of control is upon us! Rejoice, controlling spikes everywhere!
And blue gets a Man-o-War functional reprint (with a slightly different cost, but whatever), a serum visions functional reprint, instant speed card draw at a vary reasonable cost, while aggro does not get much... it seems like the age of control is upon us! Rejoice, controlling spikes everywhere!
Blue's card drawing power is more than OK now. It's the best it's been in some time. And with Ponder to take care of the early game, Jace to take care of the midgame, and Mind Spring to draw at the end of the game, blue has no trouble drawing. You guys even get Sea Gate Oracle and Divination, which are fine cards by themselves. So there's no super powerful instant speed spell. Big deal.
And I don't know if you remember, but it wasn't too long ago that blue was by far the most powerful color in standard. Faeries was unstoppable. Cryptic Command is one of the best counterspells of recent times. Blue is not giving players the shaft. Sure, mono blue isn't really a good standard deck right now. But mono green and to some extent, mono black and mono white aren't all that great these days anyway.
Maybe green players should start complaining that mono green has never been viable outside of tribal. Then we can get some ridiculously powerful planeswalkers and some huge creatures with troll shroud and regeneration. Then blue players would really have something to complain about.
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However, I don't think a counter based on Inquisition of Kozilek would be an issue. They're making narrow counter magic based on instants/creatures/non-creatures, why not play with the cost as well?
And who doesn't want Elspeth over Ajani? Clearly Elspeth isn't being reprinted in his place.
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even the obligatory core set serpent isn't that terrible anymore! the scry card looks nice, the draw spell is plenty playable, and I love that they are returning to the out of magic quotes!
Standard will loveit but I don't see it getting played outside of there.
I don't get it.
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Nope.
Because blue has been so far nerfed, an on curve blue card is considered amazing.
I mean, they gave mysteries of the deep very recently. That was a total failure.
You obviously haven't followed Standard in the last few years then. The mere fact that people are amped over Ingenuity should speak volumes as to how poor Blue's instant card draw spells have been in recent memory.
I thought an argument praising the card on its own merits was being made. Didn't really add up to me on that basis, no.
(And yes, I've known that for years, since i've been playing the game since 2000.)
Give it a few weeks...people will be panning it soon enough.
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I am stoked for both Foresee's return and Preordain. Yay. Now all we need is a 1U enchantment at uncommon that lets you stick a +1/+1 counter on one of your critters whenever you draw a card.
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Well they had a philosophy of NO instant speed card draw between Ravnica and, well... today. The only thing that really broke this was Esper Charm, and that was in 3 colors.
Also, an instant speed draw 3 for 5 is amazing.
Concentrate for Sorcery speed "Draw 3".
to cast for Instant speed "Draw 3" seems 'on-curve', 'reasonable' or 'fair', not 'amazing'.
Here's an example of Amazing card draw in :symu:, for reference.
The fact that blue's been so totally kicked in the nuts for several years now is the only reason this looks 'amazing' to Standard players.
Imo.
It is a very welcome relief for Blue players, I don't deny that at all. I understand, really I do. I'm not really knocking this card.
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You're right. It isn't amazing, but compared to the draw spells Type2 and Limited have seen lately it looks great. The fact that it's common (like all the Planeswalker spells) is crazy. Seeing a hyper-Concentrate at Common next to a 3/2 Trample for 2, or a 2/1 Black flyer with discard attached will be interesting.
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How has it possibly been nerfed? Jace is the best card Standard has nowadays. Mind Spring is a house itself. And you're complaining that you got Mysteries of the Deep? Maybe I should complaining about Runclaw Bears or Stampeding Rhino because not every common every printed is Constructed worthy. Gosh, blue mages go for a quarter of the year without having the best spells in the game and they really start to get out of hand.
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just incase you forgot, the 0 ability on jace reads "Draw three cards then put two cards from your hand on the top of your library in any order"
also I'm sure they're either going to print howling mine or font of mythos.
I like ingenuity I really do but we just got mysteries of the deep for blue card draw at instant speed and it is a draw 3 as well despite needing to crack a fetch to draw 3 on your opponents turn (really isn't that hard to do with a control deck IMO because they could run a very high number of fetches in their manabase).
I really like preordain its like serum visions but potentially a lot better. Very solid blue cantrip for 1.
That blue instant for U is like snakeform but without the carddraw. It could be playable in constructed maybe.
The GG 3/2 trampler isn't that good. Maybe if it were 1G it would be playable but as is, only monogreen likes the card. We just got a 4/5 for GGG and that card is totally worthless as will be this 3/2 for GG
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Hey look we printed jace everything is ok now!
maybe in scars... but howling mine was announced not going to be reprinted in m11
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Blue's card drawing power is more than OK now. It's the best it's been in some time. And with Ponder to take care of the early game, Jace to take care of the midgame, and Mind Spring to draw at the end of the game, blue has no trouble drawing. You guys even get Sea Gate Oracle and Divination, which are fine cards by themselves. So there's no super powerful instant speed spell. Big deal.
And I don't know if you remember, but it wasn't too long ago that blue was by far the most powerful color in standard. Faeries was unstoppable. Cryptic Command is one of the best counterspells of recent times. Blue is not giving players the shaft. Sure, mono blue isn't really a good standard deck right now. But mono green and to some extent, mono black and mono white aren't all that great these days anyway.
Maybe green players should start complaining that mono green has never been viable outside of tribal. Then we can get some ridiculously powerful planeswalkers and some huge creatures with troll shroud and regeneration. Then blue players would really have something to complain about.
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