I think somewhere earlier someone stated a parallel between Zombify and Resurrection (even though Breath of life would be more appropriate). Same could be said in this case between Damnation and *** I guess. Neither can be strictly forced into a certain color in this case because both have different motivations with the same result.
Maybe it's going to be pulled... exactly because people have been wanting it to for six years?
As for people wanting things to happen...i'd love to see the uproar if they suddenly moved iconic blue cards to white and blackcards to green...permanently. The fact that it took a color pie bleeding block to make Damnation possible speaks volumes as to its probability at a reprint in the core-set.
Llanowar Elves, Thought Courier... things like that help your opponent, but from white's point of view, don't deserve to be killed, unless they're convinced to actually risk their fragile limbs in battle. There's a difference between fighting for your enemy, and farming for your enemy... at least, from white's point of view. Black and red don't care if you even are their enemy, they still might kill you.
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White lives by its laws. As such, it cannot tolerate those that do not follow them. White views such disobedience very severely. The message white communicates is: “Break my laws and you will suffer.”
This is where white’s aggressive side comes from. White believes that it has a moral and civil right to stop what it considers to be evildoers. White sees this kind of an attack as being proactively defensive. If white does not stop them now, they will come later to hurt white’s way of life.
Basically white's taking a "if you're not with me, you're against me" stance to any creature it doesn't control.
As for people wanting things to happen...i'd love to see the uproar if they suddenly moved iconic blue cards to white and blackcards to green...permanently. The fact that it took a color pie bleeding block to make Damnation possible speaks volumes as to its probability at a reprint in the core-set.
Counterspell's already been pulled, Diabolic Tutor should be blue, and Will-O'-The-Wisp does make as much sense in green as black.
Someone ought to put up a poll. Who actually thinks that Wizards is insane enough to keep 8 Wraths in Standard for 2 years?
They aren't going to do that. Do you have any idea how stale the format would be when 70% of the 2-color combinations have access to the best creature sweeper ever printed? The people saying that aggro is dead are not wrong. Wizards cannot afford to make control decks so ubiquitous. 10th Edition will not include ***. It can't. If it did, you'd just be able to say goodbye to a balanced format for the whole time that PC is legal.
This is not to say that Damnation is going to take its place. Creature-sweeping is white and always has been. (Zombiemachine - creature-sweeping doesn't have the same mechanical use as pinpoint removal. Calling them the same thing is pointless, because they aren't.) The only reasonable way to interpret this move is that Wizards doesn't intend for *** - or any clone thereof - to be a Standard Magic staple anymore. Expect 5cc *** variants to take its place over the next several years.
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Why wouldn't they have two wraths in the format? They're going to for at least 6 months, and they usually have two at a time at least (Akroma's Vengeance, Final Judgement, Damnation, Rout, Planar Collapse.... etc etc.) And next to no one will actually play 4-ofs of both wrath varients. For starters we lose pretty much all our colour fixing as of october (I severely doubt the enemy colour pains will be in 10E in august, and the ravduals rotate out in october) so playing a 2BB and 2WW spell in the same deck with mainly basic lands wouldn't be anywhere near consistent comparitively. You're better off working on a mono-black or mono-white control deck.
Oh, and the fact that idiots have been wanting something for 6 years is no reason for WOTC to actually do something as rediculously moronic as removing Wrath from the base set. Not to mention the fact that if they pulled Wrath for Damnation then that'd be giving the people who have been whining about wrath being too powerful another spell that is EXACTLY THE SAME but in the colour with even MORE creature removal.
Right now we have Wrath of God, Sunscour, Culling Sun, Hour of Reckoning, Plague Wind and Damnation in T2 at the same time. Of those, 3 are playable (Wrath, Scour and Damnation... scour's great in martyrtron and snow white). If people were that worried about multiple kill-all effects in T2 at once, then they'd be complaining about all the more expensive ones too.
Oh, and as someone who built B/W Control using Dimir House Guard, there's nothing wrong with running "8" wraths (4 wraths, four tutors for wraths), although no one's gonna do it... well, no one good anyway.
Control really needs instant removal to be effective. If 8 Wraths and some spot removal and win conditions are thrown into a deck, guess what will happen...Dragonstorm or Ignite Memorieswill win b/c those cards do very little to stop combo and don't put them on a clock like aggro. Or maybe a new combo deck will come out. I don't think it will be a problem with 8 Wraths, other than there will be so many floating in print that everyone will own one or the other. I really love Wrath and think it will be a mistake for it to leave, but the free foil textless masses of them sent out makes me question how many more will get printed. Nobody seems to acknowledge that.
That's it. Its official. They hate creatures. They hate aggro. They hate me. now not only do I have to play around white decks, now I have to play around black decks the same way, except I cant because black has so much more (and more useful) spot removal so now I have to figure out a new philosophy for playing around wrath, or just say screw it and play control like everybody else.
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That's it. Its official. They hate creatures. They hate aggro. They hate me. now not only do I have to play around white decks, now I have to play around black decks the same way, except I cant because black has so much more (and more useful) spot removal so now I have to figure out a new philosophy for playing around wrath, or just say screw it and play control like everybody else.
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It's funny because I have the opposite perception. Wizards love creatures, they love aggro, they hate control, and they want us to want them to ban the Island.
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Solace, why do you think Diabolic Tutor should be Blue? I've been uncertain on this since 2003. I'd like to see inside your headhear your thoughtsread your thoughts. God-dang this text-based communication!
Raw card stuff just seems blue. Honestly, I think they should split Diabolic Tutor two ways:
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Since it is in flavor for both blue and black, but for different reasons. Blue wants to think out the best thing to do, and black wants to do anything to get exactly what it wants.
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See, I don't have an issue with another Wrath of God. Even though black has alot of nice spot removal, it just means agro decks will have to play themselves a bit slower.
Dont over extend and a wrath wont stop you, especially if you can get your C.A. back up.
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See, I don't have an issue with another Wrath of God. Even though black has alot of nice spot removal, it just means agro decks will have to play themselves a bit slower.
Dont over extend and a wrath wont stop you, especially if you can get your C.A. back up.
yes, i have to agree on the agro decks playing slower.
since damnation's coming up soon i think the red player should stock up on more damaging instants to at least damage the black player (thank god they don't have counters) during early, and on late game bring out really big creatures.
Yeah, Damnation may have slowed the environment down! Seriously, if you know it's there, you can play around it. The 8 *** effects just allow more colors to be played.
Still, a vote would be kinda lame looking back but I wouldn't put it past WotC. Remember the BoP vs Elves vote?
Raw card stuff just seems blue. Honestly, I think they should split Diabolic Tutor two ways:
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Since it is in flavor for both blue and black, but for different reasons. Blue wants to think out the best thing to do, and black wants to do anything to get exactly what it wants.
Only problem is the black variant would need to be shown to the Opponent, else how does he know your losing the right amount of life.
Better to make it a set amount lost. Vampiric Tutor style. As a matter of fact, they need to bring that back.
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Yes, there are 8 wraths in this format right now. However, if you look around, you'll find that aggro colors are getting things to help them:
Red's got the highest concentration of highly playable burn it's had in standard in a long time. And we've yet to see much in terms of what's being timeshifted to it. Plus incinerate and mogg fanatic are coming soon in 10th
Green has haste creatures, including a rumored ball lightning. This gives it some juice to keep going immediately after a wrath.
White has beefy creatures. White has traditionally relied on a swarm of small creatures to win, which pretty much gets owned by wrath. Now, its early creatures can deal at least 5, then it drops a calciderm post wrath. Now your opponent is staring down lethal damage that they can't spot remove, while you take a couple of turns to recoup your fuel so if they do have a way to get rid of it, you can play out a few creatures to seal the deal.
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Better to make it a set amount lost. Vampiric Tutor style. As a matter of fact, they need to bring that back.
Well, the thing I like about my version is that, no matter what you find, you're paying a lot for it. Find a one mana card? Only lose one life, but you've made it 5 times as expensive. Find an 8 mana card? Didn't change the cost too much, but you've lost almost half your starting life total.
EDIT: About 2 wraths; the problem isn't someone playing 8 copies in their deck, the problem is, now twice the control decks can play it. In fact, the only control deck I can think of that couldn't play it right now is U/R.
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Since it is in flavor for both blue and black, but for different reasons. Blue wants to think out the best thing to do, and black wants to do anything to get exactly what it wants.
Ah, but Blue doesn't think it knows the best thing to do until reviewing a good number of options and considering for a good time.
For Blue to just search out cards it names is like White to just create rules for others or for Black to indiscriminately kill everyone and everything - it's missing the point.
Blue draws cards. (or in some way adds multiples from its 'stockpile' into hand). This is increasing its ideas; reviewing what is available. Tutors have never been for multiple cards (have to cost too much). I think Blue would prefer drawing more to getting one of what it thinks it needs. Right now Blue's tools encourage planning ahead; (mechanically, drawing the many cards encourages playing to the statistics, and also running small utility spells to burn off the card advantage). Tutors are treading on what card-draw does for Blue, and though I may not be very good at the game to point out all the small things, I must hope that you can see how deck manipulation, over deck extraction, encourages the user to... well, be Blue.
Though, as I try to think of a reason against using tutors (where the above at best shows a better positive alternative), I'm left with the inescapable that Blue believes in a solution to every problem. The trouble is finding it.
And I can't put it out of my head that every specific tutor ever made in Blue, is fine. Mystical Teachings, and Fabricate especially.
But, in keeping with the above, I think Blue should get shallow diabolic tutoring only. Also, perhaps twists on tutoring, like a delayed tutor; or perhaps additional miscellaneous conditions could make it okay.
Yet I can't help but feel I'm missing something.
Oh, and, I don't think Black needs to pay all that life to Diabolic Tutor. Black only pays life when it gets more than what it had in discretely quantifiable resources or when its shaving off significant mana. In competitive, the mana requirements of tutors do make them difficult to just cast. I mean, they do nothing by themselves. You could have even topdecked that card next turn. Diabolic Tutor is card-for-card, and the mana cost (believed by some to be too much, despite recognizing that three mana would surely make it too powerful) takes care of how you're making one card better (you're changing the tutor card into what you wanted, in a sense).
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Ah, but Blue doesn't think it knows the best thing to do until reviewing a good number of options and considering for a good time.
Well, you could consider it another way of finding the right thing to do... drawing 3 cards gives you three possible options, but searching your library for a card is like reviewing all alternatives. Heck, imagine of Diabolic Tutor was named Global Scrying... makes sense in blue now, right? Asking a demon what to do is black, but checking out a global satellite (or magical equivalent) is blue.
I think blue really knows about all forms of card advantage... searching out any card is better than drawing two immediately, but if you draw several, even if they're not as good, you can eventually use them all.
But, in keeping with the above, I think Blue should get shallow diabolic tutoring only. Also, perhaps twists on tutoring, like a delayed tutor; or perhaps additional miscellaneous conditions could make it okay.
That's actually a pretty good idea... I think that black and blue both should get card manipulations, but go about it different ways.
Ancient Scrying 1UU
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Search your library for three cards, shuffle your library, then put them on top of your library in any order.
Even in discard, I think they've got different areas to explore... Stupor and Hellhole Rats vs Persecute and Blackmail (blueist discard I can think of).
Oh, and, I don't think Black needs to pay all that life to Diabolic Tutor. Black only pays life when it gets more than what it had in discretely quantifiable resources or when its shaving off significant mana.
Well, I was kinda basing it off Dark Confidant. Instant speed draw is way, way better than a sorcery... something I think black would see, and be very willing to pay for.
The problem there is that the black variant of the card is absolutely horrible in every conceivable way. They get to know what you've searched out AND you get badly hurt for the pleasure.
Heh, and here I thought it was too powerful. Or, imagine tutoring for the last urza piece/other combo piece at your opponent's EoT, losing almost no life, then immediately going off. Instant speed is way better than a sorcery, so unless you're going after things that cost 4 or more, it actually might be a tad broken.
Well, most Black tutors have the asking Demons for help kind of flavor. just look at Death Wish, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Consultations.
Whereas Blue they're more learning by themselves, or utilizing their own intelligence - e.g. Cunning Wish, Mystical Teachings, Mystical Tutor (I think that's it anyway - the Instant tutor from Mirage/Visions). On the other hand, Blue has enough powerful card-drawing that I don't think it would be fair (or matter much) if it got more tutors.
The fact is, most Black tutors are used for combos or searching for spot answers. Moreover, Control decks traditionally like card advantage more than dedicated tutoring (with the exception of the Wishes, but I think its more that the Wishes make your deck more consistent than just because it adds a potential 15 more cards to your arsenal
Just wish it cantripped. As the first effect That would be so cool. And much better.
As it was, it costed more than Vampiric Tutor, for a slower effect. Guh.
I guess it doesn't really matter if Blue gets tutors. But know this; if Blue got enough burn face spells, just because they wouldn't go well in control decks doesn't mean Blue decks wouldn't start using them. So we cannot be wholly satisfied with "tutors won't make a difference." Curses.
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As for people wanting things to happen...i'd love to see the uproar if they suddenly moved iconic blue cards to white and black cards to green...permanently. The fact that it took a color pie bleeding block to make Damnation possible speaks volumes as to its probability at a reprint in the core-set.
Not true. Again drawing from MaRo... Basically white's taking a "if you're not with me, you're against me" stance to any creature it doesn't control.
Counterspell's already been pulled, Diabolic Tutor should be blue, and Will-O'-The-Wisp does make as much sense in green as black.
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They aren't going to do that. Do you have any idea how stale the format would be when 70% of the 2-color combinations have access to the best creature sweeper ever printed? The people saying that aggro is dead are not wrong. Wizards cannot afford to make control decks so ubiquitous. 10th Edition will not include ***. It can't. If it did, you'd just be able to say goodbye to a balanced format for the whole time that PC is legal.
This is not to say that Damnation is going to take its place. Creature-sweeping is white and always has been. (Zombiemachine - creature-sweeping doesn't have the same mechanical use as pinpoint removal. Calling them the same thing is pointless, because they aren't.) The only reasonable way to interpret this move is that Wizards doesn't intend for *** - or any clone thereof - to be a Standard Magic staple anymore. Expect 5cc *** variants to take its place over the next several years.
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Oh, and the fact that idiots have been wanting something for 6 years is no reason for WOTC to actually do something as rediculously moronic as removing Wrath from the base set. Not to mention the fact that if they pulled Wrath for Damnation then that'd be giving the people who have been whining about wrath being too powerful another spell that is EXACTLY THE SAME but in the colour with even MORE creature removal.
Right now we have Wrath of God, Sunscour, Culling Sun, Hour of Reckoning, Plague Wind and Damnation in T2 at the same time. Of those, 3 are playable (Wrath, Scour and Damnation... scour's great in martyrtron and snow white). If people were that worried about multiple kill-all effects in T2 at once, then they'd be complaining about all the more expensive ones too.
Oh, and as someone who built B/W Control using Dimir House Guard, there's nothing wrong with running "8" wraths (4 wraths, four tutors for wraths), although no one's gonna do it... well, no one good anyway.
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Meh... that wouldn't settle if it should be in black or white, just if there's more black or white players.
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It's funny because I have the opposite perception. Wizards love creatures, they love aggro, they hate control, and they want us to want them to ban the Island.
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Raw card stuff just seems blue. Honestly, I think they should split Diabolic Tutor two ways:
Deep Thoughts 2UU
Sorcery
Search your library for a card and put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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Search your library for a card, reveal it, and put it into your hand, then shuffle your library. You lose life equal to the converted mana cost of that card.
Since it is in flavor for both blue and black, but for different reasons. Blue wants to think out the best thing to do, and black wants to do anything to get exactly what it wants.
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Dont over extend and a wrath wont stop you, especially if you can get your C.A. back up.
yes, i have to agree on the agro decks playing slower.
since damnation's coming up soon i think the red player should stock up on more damaging instants to at least damage the black player (thank god they don't have counters) during early, and on late game bring out really big creatures.
still... damnation is hot.
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Still, a vote would be kinda lame looking back but I wouldn't put it past WotC. Remember the BoP vs Elves vote?
Only problem is the black variant would need to be shown to the Opponent, else how does he know your losing the right amount of life.
Better to make it a set amount lost. Vampiric Tutor style. As a matter of fact, they need to bring that back.
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Red's got the highest concentration of highly playable burn it's had in standard in a long time. And we've yet to see much in terms of what's being timeshifted to it. Plus incinerate and mogg fanatic are coming soon in 10th
Green has haste creatures, including a rumored ball lightning. This gives it some juice to keep going immediately after a wrath.
White has beefy creatures. White has traditionally relied on a swarm of small creatures to win, which pretty much gets owned by wrath. Now, its early creatures can deal at least 5, then it drops a calciderm post wrath. Now your opponent is staring down lethal damage that they can't spot remove, while you take a couple of turns to recoup your fuel so if they do have a way to get rid of it, you can play out a few creatures to seal the deal.
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That's why I included the phrase 'reveal it' right after 'search your library for a card'.
Well, the thing I like about my version is that, no matter what you find, you're paying a lot for it. Find a one mana card? Only lose one life, but you've made it 5 times as expensive. Find an 8 mana card? Didn't change the cost too much, but you've lost almost half your starting life total.
EDIT: About 2 wraths; the problem isn't someone playing 8 copies in their deck, the problem is, now twice the control decks can play it. In fact, the only control deck I can think of that couldn't play it right now is U/R.
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Ah, but Blue doesn't think it knows the best thing to do until reviewing a good number of options and considering for a good time.
For Blue to just search out cards it names is like White to just create rules for others or for Black to indiscriminately kill everyone and everything - it's missing the point.
Blue draws cards. (or in some way adds multiples from its 'stockpile' into hand). This is increasing its ideas; reviewing what is available. Tutors have never been for multiple cards (have to cost too much). I think Blue would prefer drawing more to getting one of what it thinks it needs. Right now Blue's tools encourage planning ahead; (mechanically, drawing the many cards encourages playing to the statistics, and also running small utility spells to burn off the card advantage). Tutors are treading on what card-draw does for Blue, and though I may not be very good at the game to point out all the small things, I must hope that you can see how deck manipulation, over deck extraction, encourages the user to... well, be Blue.
Though, as I try to think of a reason against using tutors (where the above at best shows a better positive alternative), I'm left with the inescapable that Blue believes in a solution to every problem. The trouble is finding it.
And I can't put it out of my head that every specific tutor ever made in Blue, is fine. Mystical Teachings, and Fabricate especially.
But, in keeping with the above, I think Blue should get shallow diabolic tutoring only. Also, perhaps twists on tutoring, like a delayed tutor; or perhaps additional miscellaneous conditions could make it okay.
Yet I can't help but feel I'm missing something.
Oh, and, I don't think Black needs to pay all that life to Diabolic Tutor. Black only pays life when it gets more than what it had in discretely quantifiable resources or when its shaving off significant mana. In competitive, the mana requirements of tutors do make them difficult to just cast. I mean, they do nothing by themselves. You could have even topdecked that card next turn. Diabolic Tutor is card-for-card, and the mana cost (believed by some to be too much, despite recognizing that three mana would surely make it too powerful) takes care of how you're making one card better (you're changing the tutor card into what you wanted, in a sense).
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Well, you could consider it another way of finding the right thing to do... drawing 3 cards gives you three possible options, but searching your library for a card is like reviewing all alternatives. Heck, imagine of Diabolic Tutor was named Global Scrying... makes sense in blue now, right? Asking a demon what to do is black, but checking out a global satellite (or magical equivalent) is blue.
I think blue really knows about all forms of card advantage... searching out any card is better than drawing two immediately, but if you draw several, even if they're not as good, you can eventually use them all.
That's actually a pretty good idea... I think that black and blue both should get card manipulations, but go about it different ways.
Besides the tutoring examples I gave before...
Counsel of the Soratami vs Night's Whisper
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Search your library for three cards, shuffle your library, then put them on top of your library in any order.
Even in discard, I think they've got different areas to explore... Stupor and Hellhole Rats vs Persecute and Blackmail (blueist discard I can think of).
Well, I was kinda basing it off Dark Confidant. Instant speed draw is way, way better than a sorcery... something I think black would see, and be very willing to pay for.
Heh, and here I thought it was too powerful. Or, imagine tutoring for the last urza piece/other combo piece at your opponent's EoT, losing almost no life, then immediately going off. Instant speed is way better than a sorcery, so unless you're going after things that cost 4 or more, it actually might be a tad broken.
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Whereas Blue they're more learning by themselves, or utilizing their own intelligence - e.g. Cunning Wish, Mystical Teachings, Mystical Tutor (I think that's it anyway - the Instant tutor from Mirage/Visions). On the other hand, Blue has enough powerful card-drawing that I don't think it would be fair (or matter much) if it got more tutors.
The fact is, most Black tutors are used for combos or searching for spot answers. Moreover, Control decks traditionally like card advantage more than dedicated tutoring (with the exception of the Wishes, but I think its more that the Wishes make your deck more consistent than just because it adds a potential 15 more cards to your arsenal
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Just wish it cantripped. As the first effect That would be so cool. And much better.
As it was, it costed more than Vampiric Tutor, for a slower effect. Guh.
I guess it doesn't really matter if Blue gets tutors. But know this; if Blue got enough burn face spells, just because they wouldn't go well in control decks doesn't mean Blue decks wouldn't start using them. So we cannot be wholly satisfied with "tutors won't make a difference." Curses.
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