I wasn't feeling any more bans and didn't expect any, but I did feel BBE was the most likely. Seething Song out of absolutely nowhere...
I selfishly like that BBE is gone, but I really hate that Wizardsis continuing the notion of "This deck is kind of strong, so we're going to ban the strongest card out of it." God help you if your pet deck starts winning...
Oh, and the whole "This other deck isn't exactly the most competitive but eh, we're gonna ban something out of it too."
Unbanning anything would have lessened the bad taste in our mouths/diverted our attention. Now? Rage will commence.
meh idk why they banned a card from storm, storm never top 8 at huge events for months.
jund ban was expected, we don't want to face a deck that shows up 50% in the meta.
well im jund player... i plan to build a deck that is simple to play to have greater winrate, now if jund doesn't perform well in next modern season idk what to play lol, probably jund will still perform well because of its color.
I really think these bannings will be good down the road.
BBE hates out any control deck that is trying to one for one you to death. Counterspells are suddenly better.
Storm makes playing an aggro deck a bad idea. If you can't race them you lose, and even a Nacatl doesn't kill by turn 3, so the only aggro deck that was viable was affinity. I know a lot of times I have looked at a decklist and thought that there was no way this deck could beat storm. So the long term effects of this will be very beneficial. It will make newer players happy about the format.
I was a member of the unban crowd. I wanted Jace, Bitterblossom, and Ancestral off the BL. Now I don't think they will ever come off, but it suddenly doesn't bother me. The format will be much more interactive now. It will be weird to see what happens this weekend.
Excited that jund got taken down a few pegs. Never have seen storm played so not sure why this ban was necessary. Turn 3 kills in modern sound pretty bad, but I've never seen it happen.
Here's what I don't get, if they were concerned about T3 wins, why didn't they ban Glistner Elf? Forget T3, I've seen more than a few T2 wins come from UG Infect. T1 Elf, T2 Krosa, Groundswell, Mutagenic Growth, with Pact of Negation backup, I win.
Heck, in the Tron vs Infect video SCG put up Infect had a T3 win, right?
Turning guys sideways? U/x control will probably become the top deck in the format now that Jund is going to come down to sane power levels. I don't see too many people crying over the grave of Storm, it's a non interactive combo deck. The less of those the better IMHO. I have no desire to sit at a table and watch a guy play MTG by himself
Possibly, but I wish they would get rid of Sunrise over Storm. Storm ends games quicker than Second Sunrise will. I wanted to tear out eyeballs when I watched the protour with Cifka.
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
I called the ban on seething song a long time ago, people didn't think it would happen. I am glad storm and hivemind won't win games on turn 3 anymore.
On Magic Online, Storm is the second-most-frequent high-finishing deck in Modern events, at 11.42%, behind only Jund. These results indicate that, while far from dominant, Storm is a top tier deck.
So now we have the precedent that Wizards will ban-hammer the top two decks of the format.
Are we relegated to playing only Tier 2 decks to make sure out project doesn't get banned? I feel Rock/Junk will rise higher due to its Jund-like flexibility...better get my wins in before the ban it into oblivion.
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Also, consider that Liliana counts as occasional mana denial, and it starts to become a significant portion of our strategy.
Unbanning anything would have lessened the bad taste in our mouths/diverted our attention. Now? Rage will commence.
I agree. You couldn't at least get us AV back?
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Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
Here's what I don't get, if they were concerned about T3 wins, why didn't they ban Glistner Elf? Forget T3, I've seen more than a few T2 wins come from UG Infect. T1 Elf, T2 Krosa, Groundswell, Mutagenic Growth, with Pact of Negation backup, I win.
Heck, in the Tron vs Infect video SCG put up Infect had a T3 win, right?
Data.
It's not whether T3 wins are possible with a god hand. Rather, it's a question of whether they occur often enough, as well as whether the deck gets played enough for them to care.
They have much more detailed data on this than we do, as they can look at MTGO and determine the exact percentage of the time a deck wins on T3.
Could this be that they want to be more aggressive with the bans to prevent staples from inflating too much at the hands of speculators? The whole "keeping it accessible" and all that.
Wow. Pretty sad WOTC decided to limit modern as a format rather than allow for growth with in it. Apparently there is still some love for legacy. Seems odd that the format that has the most possibility for growth just got bushwhacked.
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Modern GB Rock U Flooding Merfolk RUG Delver Midrange WU Monks UW Tempo Geist GW Bogle GW Liege UR Tron B Vampires
Affinity Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Seething Song is a surprise and an upset for me, there are so many good combos besides storm that need that heavy acceleration (Through the Breach).
If storm is a bad deck, just do like they did in Pauper and kill the storm cards.
They're not going to do that in the middle of PTQ season. Storm is still a deck you can play, it's just less effective. I'm not experienced enough with Storm to know if this will actually knock it down into Tier 3 or if it will remain competitive, but you can still play a Storm deck. If you've already assembled a Storm deck, you can adjust it and still go to a PTQ. If they actually banned a Storm card, then they completely kill the deck and leave all Storm players angry. Well, okay, they're presumably already angry, but it'd leave them more angry. I do think that if they wanted to hit Storm, banning something like Seething Song was probably the best option.
With BBE gone, so many other midrange strategies that couldn't break through because they didn't have a BBE of their own (e.g. Doran) are so much better now.
I guess I'm in the minority of people who think the format looks much better now.
Hey, at least we won't have to watch 43 Jund mirrors a day!
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Unbanning anything would have lessened the bad taste in our mouths/diverted our attention. Now? Rage will commence.
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Pod is easier to disrupt then Storm. It has to worry about discard, counter spells and removal
jund ban was expected, we don't want to face a deck that shows up 50% in the meta.
well im jund player... i plan to build a deck that is simple to play to have greater winrate, now if jund doesn't perform well in next modern season idk what to play lol, probably jund will still perform well because of its color.
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BBE hates out any control deck that is trying to one for one you to death. Counterspells are suddenly better.
Storm makes playing an aggro deck a bad idea. If you can't race them you lose, and even a Nacatl doesn't kill by turn 3, so the only aggro deck that was viable was affinity. I know a lot of times I have looked at a decklist and thought that there was no way this deck could beat storm. So the long term effects of this will be very beneficial. It will make newer players happy about the format.
I was a member of the unban crowd. I wanted Jace, Bitterblossom, and Ancestral off the BL. Now I don't think they will ever come off, but it suddenly doesn't bother me. The format will be much more interactive now. It will be weird to see what happens this weekend.
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Here's what I don't get, if they were concerned about T3 wins, why didn't they ban Glistner Elf? Forget T3, I've seen more than a few T2 wins come from UG Infect. T1 Elf, T2 Krosa, Groundswell, Mutagenic Growth, with Pact of Negation backup, I win.
Heck, in the Tron vs Infect video SCG put up Infect had a T3 win, right?
Also surprised that nothing got unbanned.
Possibly, but I wish they would get rid of Sunrise over Storm. Storm ends games quicker than Second Sunrise will. I wanted to tear out eyeballs when I watched the protour with Cifka.
also, seething song? really WotC? you just killed like 2 or 3 decks with that. how about unbanning some **** instead of throwing gas on the flame?
I don't even know what to brew anymore.
So now we have the precedent that Wizards will ban-hammer the top two decks of the format.
Are we relegated to playing only Tier 2 decks to make sure out project doesn't get banned? I feel Rock/Junk will rise higher due to its Jund-like flexibility...better get my wins in before the ban it into oblivion.
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I agree. You couldn't at least get us AV back?
Data.
It's not whether T3 wins are possible with a god hand. Rather, it's a question of whether they occur often enough, as well as whether the deck gets played enough for them to care.
They have much more detailed data on this than we do, as they can look at MTGO and determine the exact percentage of the time a deck wins on T3.
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Ding dong that bloody biatch is dead!
I play(ed) Storm and it wins on turn 3 fairly often assuming you don't get disrupted by hate.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I guess I'm in the minority of people who think the format looks much better now.
Hey, at least we won't have to watch 43 Jund mirrors a day!