MTG Salvation

In legacy, maybe.
Doubtful in modern with little to no FOW.

I hear Spellskite is good.

Funny how few realize Leveler just has to resolve. Protecting Maniac is concern/priority.

Modern needs some kinda Worldly Tutor... not sure it could work here but yeah, Legacy, w/ Worldly Tutor + Snapcaster Mage + FoW/Brainstorm seems possible.

Leveler still costs 5 to play. Seems clunky.

PtE Laboratory Maniac in response of Leveler ¿

Seems bad, this combo requires the two exact cards or at least lab maniac to win the game. Not going to happen in a format with crappy tutors and terrible cantrips.

Not to mention you need to protect the lab maniac.

It would only be viable if you have redundant combo pieces for both sides.

Mirror of Fate seems to be the better option than leveler, you can drop it a turn before and than have more mana up to protect the maniac

If Leveller cost like 3 it might have a chance but as is you not only need 5 mana to cast Leveller, but also additional mana to protect Maniac. Pact of Negation could help (since I'm assuming if you can pay for Leveller you could pay for Pact) but you likely need more than just Pact and having over 5 mana isn't always feasible.

I got it......seriously.....presenting one of the greatest cards in the game of Magic: Thought Lash

It works a bit better than the other combos as Thought Lash doesn't cost 5, fits into a mono blue theme....and can immediately follow up the "Maniac".

Not really serious about this, but, honestly, it seems like the best combo to go with it.

The real problem with Maniac is protecting it, honestly.

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I got it......seriously.....presenting one of the greatest cards in the game of Magic: Thought Lash

It works a bit better than the other combos as Thought Lash doesn't cost 5, fits into a mono blue theme....and can immediately follow up the "Maniac".

Not really serious about this, but, honestly, it seems like the best combo to go with it.

The real problem with Maniac is protecting it, honestly.

Legacy forums are thataway -->

This is the Modern forum buddy :P.

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Legacy forums are thataway -->

This is the Modern forum buddy :P.

LOL, so true. I am far too used to posting in the Commander forums...:p

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Mirror of Fate seems to be the better option than leveler, you can drop it a turn before and than have more mana up to protect the maniac

That'd work except, Mirror of Fate only replenishes face-up exiled cards.

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That'd work except, Mirror of Fate only replenishes face-up exiled cards.

Ummm.... I dont think you get why he suggested it.

Jace 1.0 would be great as you can win the turn you cast Leveler.

Gifts Ungiven is needed in slower combo decks.

Sleight of Hand needs to fit in somewhere.

Pact of Negation needs a home here.

Seems almost strictly worse than splinter twin. The only good thing is you don't need red sources. Just looks terrible tbh =/

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Solid start.

This deck needs x4 Gitaxian Probe. It gives you a 56 card deck, option to win the turn casting Leveler, and valuable info many times.

Mirror of Fate is an option but Leveler seems better as it can block for a turn and should be easier to tutor/recur. Yeah... not sure Modern has the tutors/digging necessary but the protection is probably there.

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Solid start.
Yeah... not sure Modern has the tutors/digging necessary but the protection is probably there.

Not the best but you could use Fabricate. Also, summoners pact gets them both. Primal command feels like an option in this deck too.

I think Puresight Merrow+Paradise Mantle is better than either of the mass library exilers. While it makes it a 3-card combo, these 2 actually help you find the third part, and give you some mana to cast it. They come online faster, plus it's a merfolk, so you could potentially jam it into that shell.

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This deck needs x4 Gitaxian Probe. It gives you a 56 card deck, option to win the turn casting Leveler, and valuable info many times.

Agreed...and maybe a looter type card as backup to drop early to provide instant speed draw on the table when the library goes away however that happens?

Ok, I think it's a pretty kooky idea that would most likely never really win against anything but I like it.

So let's say you'll end up playing other kooky decks and lets say one plays an extirpate on your dead maniac?

How do you win?

Do you just...commit sepuko?

Not only is mirror of fate a good idea, its much better than leveler in this. You can run it out without to much worry of it getting broken, You don't have to instantly go for the win as soon as it hits play. It even plays fun with leveler. I'll pare my library down to the seven best cards and make a 10/10. Thank you very much. Mono blue loses some tutors but gives you the best control shell in my opinion.

This seems like the kind of deck that needs a gifts package. If I could think of a gifts split that gives you both halves...

could go blue black white and run angel's grace comboed with ad nauseum and put the whole library into your hand, only thing missing would be a means to get laboratory maniac into play and a draw effect.

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Not only is mirror of fate a good idea, its much better than leveler in this. You can run it out without to much worry of it getting broken, You don't have to instantly go for the win as soon as it hits play. It even plays fun with leveler. I'll pare my library down to the seven best cards and make a 10/10. Thank you very much. Mono blue loses some tutors but gives you the best control shell in my opinion.

This seems like the kind of deck that needs a gifts package. If I could think of a gifts split that gives you both halves...

a good gifts split would be Leveler Mirror of Fate Laboratory Maniac noxious revival that gets you everything needed for the combo and can be played in mono blue

For anyone willing to test it, I did a numbers crunch, and made a nice planeswalker discovery.


Redundancy, digging, ramp, alternate win-con, and protection. I think that covers all of the issues that were brought up? Feel free to mess around with the counterspell numbers, as I obviously haven't tested it yet. Those are just recommended cards. Noxious Revival probably isn't needed maindeck either (though it can count as Maniacs 5 and 6), but is probably a 3-of in any sideboard you come up with. There is still no good answer to Extirpate, but Surgical Extraction and Relic of Progenitus are no match. Consider Phantasmal Image if issues with not getting Maniac enough (or keeping him alive) come up too often...but I am not a fan of the card.