4/5/13:Finally its done I have it sorted again now it feels organised and is up to date
If anyone has questions on choices or something let me know I am willing to explain my choices, I am also very open to ideas on things to change and if I don't have the cards in queston and I can get my hands on a some copies, I would be totally willing to test them
Also at this point in time I have no real limit on price on cards but its not like I am going to go by a force of will or something much more expensive just for testing, due to the fact as I have played this deck there is never a moment I need force of will and this deck is next to never willing to get rid of card advantage so its not going to draw more than it can chew because I have found even if I can draw +4 cards a turn it kills me if I don't have ways to use it so, I guess if I was to explain the deck it would be similar to the tortoise and the hare minus the fact that my tortoise can move fast when motivated and sometimes me rushing things just gets me killed, so all in all if someone is netdecking (if someone did I would feel, I don't know proud that someone likes this so much) this I would suggest unless they have no way to stop you, take it slow and creep that kill on them (similar to boiling frogs I guess) then being too aggressive can cause you to be high in the kill list in games to come after the first one
It looks like you have too much bounce and not enough counter magic/answers. Putting your list in alphabetical order will make it easier for people to see if you have certain cards and easier to respond. It also appears you don't have enough mana. I have a competitive mono blue deck in my sig that might be useful.
In my opinion you have too many creatures with no ETB ability as well. I enjoy a few creatures such as Gilded Drake that can be utilized multiple times by bouncing him back to hand and thefting again later.
Also, too many high mana cost creatures. Personally utilizing Ulamog, kozilek, and jin might be a bit of overkill. I would try to cut at least one of them.
Master of Etherium designated beaters are usually sort of meh. He has no evasion either so I am not too keen on him.
It seems like you have too many small utility artifacts... I would probably try to cut back on them. Black Vise is terrible at scaling into multiplayer and not that great of a card in the first place.
Dispersing Orb I don't like how much it costs and it is really a pain in the ass to activate it.
After looking through your deck I noticed a few things:
1. You dont have many artifact creatures, so Steel Overseer really doesnt do much for you.
2. You have ALOT of small artifacts. "Too many parts break the machine". You dont need that many. Id say cut back on em.
3. Blue doesnt have the physical power other colors do. Blues strongest assets are counter and bounce spells. You should find more room for them. counters I find to be useful are:
- Counterspell
- Muddle the Mixture <- also tutors out 2cmc cards
- Hinder <- Tucks Generals/Commanders
- Spell Crumple <- See Hinder
- Faerie Trickery
- Dissipate
- Cryptic Command <- also acts as a bounce spell
4. You seem to be running only 32 land, but almost half either produces colorless mana or enters the battlefield tapped. You *may* want to adjust that.
5. Darksteel Forge, Kozilek, Jin, -AND- Ulamog? that seems a tad cluttered for the high cmc slots.
6. It feels like you want to go all-in artifacts, but also all-in wizards. Seems like your trying to juggle too much in the theme department.
Thats all for now. Check out my Venser list and Nutterbutters lists. His is rather good references.
Thank you for the comments I just realised that my list is not up to date, its going to take me a little while to sort and edit it. Thanks for the suggestions, I will edit my deck post and make it up to date, so that you guys may more accurately help me.
In my opinion you have too many creatures with no ETB ability as well. I enjoy a few creatures such as Gilded Drake that can be utilized multiple times by bouncing him back to hand and thefting again later. Me: yeah I have heard about that, but I just haven't been able to figure out what to take out for him
Also, too many high mana cost creatures. Personally utilizing Ulamog, kozilek, and jin might be a bit of overkill. I would try to cut at least one of them. Me: i always seem to get enough mana to cast them both, but if I did want to kick one which do you think i should remove (maybe side board?) between Ulamog or Kozilek, which you you choose?
Descendent of Soramaro is bad remove him. Me: I know, until I put Mystic Speculation in I had trouble with being forced to no be able to plan, what i was going to draw, it just helped me get through some problems the deck had early on, and i haven't found its replacement yet
It seems like you have too many small utility artifacts... I would probably try to cut back on them. Black Vise is terrible at scaling into multiplayer and not that great of a card in the first place. Me: I end up killing at least 1 player with it early on and I just stick it on the people to either make them hurt because they are drawing (during anystep but theirs) and I haven't found a good replacement for it that actually helps me out.
Dispersing Orb I don't like how much it costs and it is really a pain in the ass to activate it. Me: I got rid of it, it was was too costly
Clockspinning why? ME: everflowing chalice and Jace, and it helps against things with counters
Rescue you might replace it with a bounce effect that is a bit broader or one that has a little more multi function. ME: I think I replaced it with mystic speculation
Thanks answers to your questions are above and thank you for posting
After looking through your deck I noticed a few things:
1. You dont have many artifact creatures, so Steel Overseer really doesnt do much for you.
2. You have ALOT of small artifacts. "Too many parts break the machine". You dont need that many. Id say cut back on em.
3. Blue doesnt have the physical power other colors do. Blues strongest assets are counter and bounce spells. You should find more room for them. counters I find to be useful are:
- Counterspellwhat should i remove for this?
- Muddle the Mixture <- also tutors out 2cmc cards what should i remove for this?
- Hinder <- Tucks Generals/Commanders what should i remove for this?
- Spell Crumple <- See Hinder I don't like it:(
- Faerie Trickerywhat should i remove for this?
- DissipateI like this but I just removed it what would you recommend removing for it
- Cryptic Command <- also acts as a bounce spell I agree its good I forgot to go and buy one
4. You seem to be running only 32 land, but almost half either produces colorless mana or enters the battlefield tapped. You *may* want to adjust that. Me: what lands would you recommend replacing and with what?
5. Darksteel Forge, Kozilek, Jin, -AND- Ulamog? that seems a tad cluttered for the high cmc slots. Me: yeah i know , if I was to take out Ulamog or Kozilek which would you recommend removing from the main deck
6. It feels like you want to go all-in artifacts, but also all-in wizards. Seems like your trying to juggle too much in the theme department. Me: It was originally more bounce and counterspell but it just couldn't keep a frim ground in game, It just kinda sat there and it did very little as in one game all i really was able to do was exile cards from peoples graveyards
thanks and look in your quote inserted my answers under your statements
It looks like you have too much bounce and not enough counter magic/answers. Putting your list in alphabetical order will make it easier for people to see if you have certain cards and easier to respond. It also appears you don't have enough mana. I have a competitive mono blue deck in my sig that might be useful.
Thanks I organized it in alphabetical order
Merged 4 posts. Please utilize the "EDIT" and "Multi-Quote" in the future to keep from so many posts and bumps. -ISB
In my opinion you have too many creatures with no ETB ability as well. I enjoy a few creatures such as Gilded Drake that can be utilized multiple times by bouncing him back to hand and thefting again later.
Agreed - and it might be beneficial to take a look at ISB's list for some ideas, Raphael.
However, it sounds like you're set on a lot of the artifacts you have here, and while Venser is a pretty good support general for pretty much any blue strategy I feel that you'd just be better off using Arcum Dagsson. I've seen quite a few solid Arcum builds around; maybe take a look at a few and see if any of them appeal to you?
If not, here are some of my thoughts on the list as it currently stands:
1. You're playing way too many artifacts. I understand many of them have synergies with other cards you're playing, but the deck would just be better without quite a few of them. Black Vise, no matter how you slice it, is just bad. Ivory Tower is better, but still bad. Mind's Eye just isn't worth it in blue; play Consecrated Sphinx, Recurring Insight, and more instant draw (Blue Sun's Zenith, Overwhelming Intellect) before you play this. Again, if you want to play artifacts that aren't generally worth playing otherwise, I'd take a look at Arcum.
2. Mana doublers are awesome in mono-colored lists. Gauntlet of Power at the very least warrants a slot. Others will argue this point with me, but I think that Extraplanar Lens is the best of these considering how cheap it is (play Tezzeret the Seeker!). Plus, you're in blue and can protect it if you add some more countermagic, which brings me to my third point...
3. Add staple counters, at the very least. Venser's great, but you're not always going to have 2UU up or be able to put him back in your hand when you need to bounce a spell (which occasionally won't do anything for you anyway). I start out with at least Counterspell, Hinder, Mindbreak Trap, Cryptic Command, Desertion, and Overwhelming Intellect in every mono-blue list I cook up.
That's about it for now. Take away from this what you will
Agreed - and it might be beneficial to take a look at ISB's list for some ideas, Raphael.
However, it sounds like you're set on a lot of the artifacts you have here, and while Venser is a pretty good support general for pretty much any blue strategy I feel that you'd just be better off using Arcum Dagsson. I've seen quite a few solid Arcum builds around; maybe take a look at a few and see if any of them appeal to you?
If not, here are some of my thoughts on the list as it currently stands:
1. You're playing way too many artifacts. I understand many of them have synergies with other cards you're playing, but the deck would just be better without quite a few of them. Black Vise, no matter how you slice it, is just bad. Ivory Tower is better, but still bad. Mind's Eye just isn't worth it in blue; play Consecrated Sphinx, Recurring Insight, and more instant draw (Blue Sun's Zenith, Overwhelming Intellect) before you play this. Again, if you want to play artifacts that aren't generally worth playing otherwise, I'd take a look at Arcum.
2. Mana doublers are awesome in mono-colored lists. Gauntlet of Power at the very least warrants a slot. Others will argue this point with me, but I think that Extraplanar Lens is the best of these considering how cheap it is (play Tezzeret the Seeker!). Plus, you're in blue and can protect it if you add some more countermagic, which brings me to my third point...
3. Add staple counters, at the very least. Venser's great, but you're not always going to have 2UU up or be able to put him back in your hand when you need to bounce a spell (which occasionally won't do anything for you anyway). I start out with at least Counterspell, Hinder, Mindbreak Trap, Cryptic Command, Desertion, and Overwhelming Intellect in every mono-blue list I cook up.
That's about it for now. Take away from this what you will
My list if you want it. I put it down for now just because I am playing with some other things and I dont keep too many decks sleeved up at the same time due to sleeves and staples. I like the list but there are a few tweeks I would make on it yet.
Extraplanar Lens - It isnt that it is a great / bad card it is that it is situational to every meta. The more you see people destroy and sweep noncreature permenants the worse it is. I generally expect a mana doubler to die fairly quickly in my meta so I hate giving up the land for it. It is a good card but it depends on what sort of results you can expect from it.
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Me:Thanks, Most of the small actifacts while synergising, are more of place holders for now, but in my meta if I early game (1-4) a black vise it usaully goes undisterbed and kills someone because either I or another player make a bigger target, but i deffenitly understand where you are coming from. I am willing to take the m out but I need to figure out what to put in their place,(the small stuff you were mentioning).
3. Add staple counters, at the very least. Venser's great, but you're not always going to have 2UU up or be able to put him back in your hand when you need to bounce a spell (which occasionally won't do anything for you anyway). I start out with at least Counterspell, Hinder, Mindbreak Trap, Cryptic Command, Desertion, and Overwhelming Intellect in every mono-blue list I cook up. Me: Thanks is there anything you would directly say Like black vise for Hinder, ect... it would help me evaluate what is not worth having in the deck
My list if you want it. I put it down for now just because I am playing with some other things and I dont keep too many decks sleeved up at the same time due to sleeves and staples. I like the list but there are a few tweeks I would make on it yet. Thanks I will take a look
Extraplanar Lens - It isnt that it is a great / bad card it is that it is situational to every meta. The more you see people destroy and sweep noncreature permenants the worse it is. I generally expect a mana doubler to die fairly quickly in my meta so I hate giving up the land for it. It is a good card but it depends on what sort of results you can expect from it.
I just don't see how it helps me all that much now seeing the amount of land I have(non-basic verses basic)
Braids seems like a bad call in a control deck that doesn't regularly steal things. You're going to give your opponents too many free win conditions with her. I'd probably just cut her but she is dependent on your play style.
How much have you played with this deck? How many times do you find yourself short on mana in the first ten turns of the game?
-1 Mind's Eye; +1 Consecrated SphinxME:I have been thinking of changing out for Sphinx
-1 Steel Overseer; +1 Island
-1 Feldon's Cane; +1 Island (Elixir over Cane almost always anyway) ME:Thanks for the suggestions
Braids seems like a bad call in a control deck that doesn't regularly steal things. You're going to give your opponents too many free win conditions with her. I'd probably just cut her but she is dependent on your play style. ME:I usually play her when I can give her flash, and then return her before someone else gets a play
How much have you played with this deck? How many times do you find yourself short on mana in the first ten turns of the game?
I sometimes am a little short, but I usaually end up with my expidition map and acadamy ruins and at that point I just search for the lands I need and If I get alot of draw early on I get 10-14 or so land earlier via things like deserted temple + terrain generator,
and Thawing glaciers<---(I guess I missed editing my list)
Thanks for the advice
I agree with all of Xanth’s edits plus:
-1 Redirect
-1 Rushing River (You don’t have enough lands to afford sacrificing)
-1 Kozilek(Ulamog is better because it is hard to find destroy effects in mono blue)
-1 Mystic Speculation(so much better things to do with 4 mana)
-1 Worn Powerstone
-1 Clockspinning (IDK why this is even in the deck. Explain?)
I agree with all of Xanth’s edits plus:
-1 Redirect
-1 Rushing River (You don’t have enough lands to afford sacrificing)
-1 Kozilek(Ulamog is better because it is hard to find destroy effects in mono blue)
-1 Mystic Speculation(so much better things to do with 4 mana)
-1 Worn Powerstone
-1 Clockspinning (IDK why this is even in the deck. Explain?) Me:Jace and everflowing chalice, and it helps against things with counters like fate and other such counter(divinity counters to)
+1 Counterspell
+1 Cryptic Command
+1 Snapcaster Mage
+1 Crawlspace/Ensnaring Bridge (This can help you be protected from attacks)Me:I don't like Ensnaring bridge(because of the hand envolvement
+1 Mind stone (Gives you the mana early game and becomes an extra card late game)
+1 Evacuation (It’s like a wrath in Mono Blue)
Love Invoke Prejudice!!
I might edit this later ( I have to go)
I am back, I was wondering what your guys thoughts were to make this better this could be, taking out most of the artifact, or it could be as simple as putting in more counter,(I am thinking of going to the grand prix(Salt Lake City) and doing side events, ect... the advice you guys have given me has been great, someone said above I seem to be stuck between Artifacts and Wizards, well I like the whole combo with Mycosynth Lattice and Darksteel Forge and Unwinding Clock and also Nevinyrral's Disk like I locked down my friend with nevinyrral's disk+Unwinding clock+Darksteel forge, but I was also wondering would it be good to put in Knowledge Pool for its synergy with Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir? I could add in the cycling wizard to find Teferi? anyways as always your comments are welcome and will take them into consideration.
P.S. I was thinking about winter orb what do you guys think about that card would it be good in this deck?
I was at the grand prix today and i picked up a gilded drake, consecrated sphinx, cryptic command, Akroma's Memorial and i will edit the decklist on sunday hopefully.
(EDIT1) sorry guys I have been so busy, I aspire to get this decklist updated sometime later today or tomorrow, and I just wanted to thank you guys/girls
Hey, just wanted to stop back by and ask if you updated your list again? If you did I would gladly give it another look to see what changes you have made and if I can make any further suggestions.
Hey, just wanted to stop back by and ask if you updated your list again? If you did I would gladly give it another look to see what changes you have made and if I can make any further suggestions.
@Allwinapprentice I have been busy and obviously my thread needs some more action, but for you I'll see I have a updated list by... lets say...tomorrow or sunday
I am sorry for not posting/editing this deck, Venser is being remade due to me realizing that I hardly win any multiplayer games anymore, in my meta at least which, I think is a call to change
I have discovered I was a complete idiot and I will not be mentioning my really bad mistake, all you need to know is when i realised that i was making a mistake, I felt like a complete and utter noob
I am not sure, I am thinking about moving most of the crazy artifact stuff into a Hanna, Ships Navigator deck and just make this deck go for Teferi lock and erayo lock what do you think
You run numerous artifacts, why not add in Tezzeret, The Seeker: hes a tutor, a mana rock untapper, and a win cond.
brittle effigy is a great removal spell that can be tutored for with trinket mage
I like pact of negation in blue edh decks, as it is a great way to stop their kill spell and buy yourself another turn if you lack the mana.
Have you considered shifting this deck to less wizard oriented, as venser doesnt do much for wizard tribal, and perhaps shifted it to a more blue - artifact control theme? As mentioned above, you run a few wizards that arent necessarily the best choices, however, there are tons of wizards that benefit artifacts that you have, you could expound upon that and really get something nasty going. (cloudkey, etherium sculptor, helm of awakening, etc)
i noticed on page 2 you mentioned erayo lock. if so, mandatory mention of arcane laboratory
Thanks, one thing is looking at this list and reading through it I noticed I have lots of things I changed, and I would love it if you would check it again when I have it resorted and so forth I took out some of my strange things that were not working well enough like master of etheriummarch of the machines that synergized with mycosynth lattice anyway love your comments I can't wait to have you as a member of the clan
I have added these for sure cloud keyetherium sculptormagus of the future once again thanks for looking at my list I kinda need to look at yours again and take some more time so I can see if I have something to add
and in all actuallity I am sorting it now it just takes me forever, edit1: it has been updated FINALLY yay
You run numerous artifacts, why not add in Tezzeret the Seeker: hes a tutor, a mana rock untapper, and a win cond.
brittle effigy is a great removal spell that can be tutored for with trinket mage
I like pact of negation in blue edh decks, as it is a great way to stop their kill spell and buy yourself another turn if you lack the mana.
Have you considered shifting this deck to less wizard oriented, as venser doesnt do much for wizard tribal, and perhaps shifted it to a more blue - artifact control theme? As mentioned above, you run a few wizards that arent necessarily the best choices, however, there are tons of wizards that benefit artifacts that you have, you could expound upon that and really get something nasty going. (cloudkey, etherium sculptor, helm of awakening, etc)
i noticed on page 2 you mentioned erayo lock. if so, mandatory mention of arcane laboratory
Looking purely at Erayo, Arcane Lab, and Pact of Negation on this post:
First and foremost, be prepared to be hated for doing what you are about to do. I have run an erayo deck; you need to be prepared to become the most hated player at the table.
I would remove the following 3 cards, i will give you my reason why as well:
Jace's Archivist - This is a card I used to love when i ran a combo deck, however, unless you are going for a combo and the win, his ability tends to benefit your opponents more than he helps you, as he gives away a significant amount of card draw. If you want to maintain his ability, replace him with Scroll Rack instead.
Mindbreak Trap - Meta wise, this could be great. in my circles, no one plays storm edh, and as a 1 of, not particularely useful unless you have a tutor and a way to draw it readily available. Great card, but not necessary outside of storm in my opinion.
Equilibrium or unwinding clock or Jin-gitaxias - Sort of a tough choice on this one. I dont know how much mileage you get out of unwinding clock, that might be the better choice in this instant. The way i see it, if you go for a full out lock style, i would keep equil and ditch jin. Jin is any hybrid deck, but he costs a ton of mana, and you have no way to guarantee you ever cast him when you need him. Totally your call on this one.
Looking purely at Erayo, Arcane Lab, and Pact of Negation on this post:
First and foremost, be prepared to be hated for doing what you are about to do. I have run an erayo deck; you need to be prepared to become the most hated player at the table.
I would remove the following 3 cards, i will give you my reason why as well:
Jace's Archivist - This is a card I used to love when i ran a combo deck, however, unless you are going for a combo and the win, his ability tends to benefit your opponents more than he helps you, as he gives away a significant amount of card draw. If you want to maintain his ability, replace him with Scroll Rack instead.
Mindbreak Trap - Meta wise, this could be great. in my circles, no one plays storm edh, and as a 1 of, not particularely useful unless you have a tutor and a way to draw it readily available. Great card, but not necessary outside of storm in my opinion.
Equilibrium or unwinding clock or Jin-gitaxias - Sort of a tough choice on this one. I don't know how much mileage you get out of unwinding clock, that might be the better choice in this instant. The way i see it, if you go for a full out lock style, i would keep equil and ditch jin. Jin is any hybrid deck, but he costs a ton of mana, and you have no way to guarantee you ever cast him when you need him. Totally your call on this one.
thanks for the comments i totally have a 2nd scroll rack i can trade for him (not being sarcastic), one thing i was using him for was a wizard body for sigil tracer and Azami, Lady of Scrolls
funny/sad thing is it seems like i get equal use of all of those like one game i get out mind over matter and Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur which ended carrying me to a win, because my deck pulls off being innocent a good amount until people get smart, the other thing is, because of where my deck sat in my meta (i am sure it changed quite a bit) but anyway where it was in the meta it was more like 2-4th in the ranking of who to deal with first and most of the time i would do nothing and fall under the radar and pull off something dumb maybe 3 out of 4 times that happened
but i might cut jin just because out of the 3 he can be the most annoying to have in hand early unless i have something like Braids, Conjurer Adept or have an Expedition Map and mana enough to want to keep it which is 3 mana one preferably that taps for blue
but I am sure if I look hard enough I will see something lackluster in the deck
like i could ditch the whole darksteel forge/mycosynth lattice thing which i never seem to see now days the again if the deck get much leaner I will take Braids, Conjurer Adept out if it gets to a point where she doesn't help me enough
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Barrin, Master Wizard
1 Braids, Conjurer Adept
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Gilded Drake
1 Jace's Archivist
1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Lighthouse Chronologist
1 Magus of The Future
1 Memnarch
1 Sakashima the Impostor
1 Sigil Tracer
1 Skill Borrower
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Treasure Mage
1 Trinket Mage
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Voidmage Prodigy
Artifacts
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Cloud Key
1 Cloudstone Curio
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Crystal Shard
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Etherium Sculptor
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Expedition Map
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Mana Vault
1 Meekstone
1 Mox Opal
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Venser's Journal
1 Equilibrium
1 Invoke Prejudice
1 Mind Over Matter
1 Omniscience
Planeswalkers
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Tamiyo, The Moon Sage
Instants/Sorceries
1 All is Dust
1 Capsize
1 Clockspinning
1 Cryptic Command
1 Fabricate
1 Faerie Trickery
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Mystic Speculation
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rescind
1 Sunder
1 Trickbind
1 Turnabout
1 Wipe Away
Lands
1 Academy Ruins
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Buried Ruin
1 Coral Atoll
1 Deserted Temple
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Homeward Path
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Petrified Field
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Soldevi Excavations
1 Strip Mine
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terrain Generator
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Tolaria West
1 Urza's Factory
1 Vesuva
8 Island
I will leave the old version of the deck here but I will put it under a spoiler
This is what it used to be like
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Barrin, Master Wizard
1 Braids, Conjurer Adept
1 Descendent of Soramaro
1 Graceful Adept
1 Jace's Archivist
1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Lighthouse Chronologist
1 Master of Etherium
1 Memnarch
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Sigil Tracer
1 Steel Overseer
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Treasure Mage
1 Trinket Mage
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Voidmage Prodigy
Artifacts
1 Black Vise
1 Cloudstone Curio
1 Coldsteel Heart
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Crystal Shard
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Expedition Map
1 Feldon's Cane
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Ivory Tower
1 Mana Vault
1 Meekstone
1 Mimic Vat
1 Mind's Eye
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Venser's Journal
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Equilibrium
1 Invoke Prejudice
1 March of the Machines
1 Rystic Study
Planeswalkers
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Instants/Sorceries
1 All is Dust
1 Boomerang
1 Capsize
1 Clockspinning
1 Fabricate
1 Mystic Speculation
1 Redirect
1 Rescind
1 Rushing River
1 Sunder
1 Trickbind
1 Venser's Diffusion
1 Wipe Away
Lands
1 Academy Ruins
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Coral Atoll
1 Deserted Temple
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Homeward Path
1 Halimar Depths
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Soldevi Excavations
1 Scorched Ruins
1 Strip Mine
1 Terrain Generator
1 Temple of the False God
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Urza's Factory
1 Vesuva
12 Island
If anyone has questions on choices or something let me know I am willing to explain my choices, I am also very open to ideas on things to change and if I don't have the cards in queston and I can get my hands on a some copies, I would be totally willing to test them
Also at this point in time I have no real limit on price on cards but its not like I am going to go by a force of will or something much more expensive just for testing, due to the fact as I have played this deck there is never a moment I need force of will and this deck is next to never willing to get rid of card advantage so its not going to draw more than it can chew because I have found even if I can draw +4 cards a turn it kills me if I don't have ways to use it so, I guess if I was to explain the deck it would be similar to the tortoise and the hare minus the fact that my tortoise can move fast when motivated and sometimes me rushing things just gets me killed, so all in all if someone is netdecking (if someone did I would feel, I don't know proud that someone likes this so much) this I would suggest unless they have no way to stop you, take it slow and creep that kill on them (similar to boiling frogs I guess) then being too aggressive can cause you to be high in the kill list in games to come after the first one
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
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Also, too many high mana cost creatures. Personally utilizing Ulamog, kozilek, and jin might be a bit of overkill. I would try to cut at least one of them.
Descendent of Soramaro is bad remove him.
Master of Etherium designated beaters are usually sort of meh. He has no evasion either so I am not too keen on him.
It seems like you have too many small utility artifacts... I would probably try to cut back on them. Black Vise is terrible at scaling into multiplayer and not that great of a card in the first place.
Dispersing Orb I don't like how much it costs and it is really a pain in the ass to activate it.
Clockspinning why?
Rescue you might replace it with a bounce effect that is a bit broader or one that has a little more multi function.
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[Modern] Allies
1. You dont have many artifact creatures, so Steel Overseer really doesnt do much for you.
2. You have ALOT of small artifacts. "Too many parts break the machine". You dont need that many. Id say cut back on em.
3. Blue doesnt have the physical power other colors do. Blues strongest assets are counter and bounce spells. You should find more room for them. counters I find to be useful are:
- Counterspell
- Muddle the Mixture <- also tutors out 2cmc cards
- Hinder <- Tucks Generals/Commanders
- Spell Crumple <- See Hinder
- Faerie Trickery
- Dissipate
- Cryptic Command <- also acts as a bounce spell
4. You seem to be running only 32 land, but almost half either produces colorless mana or enters the battlefield tapped. You *may* want to adjust that.
5. Darksteel Forge, Kozilek, Jin, -AND- Ulamog? that seems a tad cluttered for the high cmc slots.
6. It feels like you want to go all-in artifacts, but also all-in wizards. Seems like your trying to juggle too much in the theme department.
Thats all for now. Check out my Venser list and Nutterbutters lists. His is rather good references.
Thanks answers to your questions are above and thank you for posting
thanks and look in your quote inserted my answers under your statements
Thanks I organized it in alphabetical order
Merged 4 posts. Please utilize the "EDIT" and "Multi-Quote" in the future to keep from so many posts and bumps. -ISB
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
Agreed - and it might be beneficial to take a look at ISB's list for some ideas, Raphael.
However, it sounds like you're set on a lot of the artifacts you have here, and while Venser is a pretty good support general for pretty much any blue strategy I feel that you'd just be better off using Arcum Dagsson. I've seen quite a few solid Arcum builds around; maybe take a look at a few and see if any of them appeal to you?
If not, here are some of my thoughts on the list as it currently stands:
1. You're playing way too many artifacts. I understand many of them have synergies with other cards you're playing, but the deck would just be better without quite a few of them. Black Vise, no matter how you slice it, is just bad. Ivory Tower is better, but still bad. Mind's Eye just isn't worth it in blue; play Consecrated Sphinx, Recurring Insight, and more instant draw (Blue Sun's Zenith, Overwhelming Intellect) before you play this. Again, if you want to play artifacts that aren't generally worth playing otherwise, I'd take a look at Arcum.
2. Mana doublers are awesome in mono-colored lists. Gauntlet of Power at the very least warrants a slot. Others will argue this point with me, but I think that Extraplanar Lens is the best of these considering how cheap it is (play Tezzeret the Seeker!). Plus, you're in blue and can protect it if you add some more countermagic, which brings me to my third point...
3. Add staple counters, at the very least. Venser's great, but you're not always going to have 2UU up or be able to put him back in your hand when you need to bounce a spell (which occasionally won't do anything for you anyway). I start out with at least Counterspell, Hinder, Mindbreak Trap, Cryptic Command, Desertion, and Overwhelming Intellect in every mono-blue list I cook up.
That's about it for now. Take away from this what you will
My list if you want it. I put it down for now just because I am playing with some other things and I dont keep too many decks sleeved up at the same time due to sleeves and staples. I like the list but there are a few tweeks I would make on it yet.
Extraplanar Lens - It isnt that it is a great / bad card it is that it is situational to every meta. The more you see people destroy and sweep noncreature permenants the worse it is. I generally expect a mana doubler to die fairly quickly in my meta so I hate giving up the land for it. It is a good card but it depends on what sort of results you can expect from it.
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I just don't see how it helps me all that much now seeing the amount of land I have(non-basic verses basic)
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
-1 Steel Overseer; +1 Island
-1 Feldon's Cane; +1 Island (Elixir over Cane almost always anyway)
Braids seems like a bad call in a control deck that doesn't regularly steal things. You're going to give your opponents too many free win conditions with her. I'd probably just cut her but she is dependent on your play style.
How much have you played with this deck? How many times do you find yourself short on mana in the first ten turns of the game?
I sometimes am a little short, but I usaually end up with my expidition map and acadamy ruins and at that point I just search for the lands I need and If I get alot of draw early on I get 10-14 or so land earlier via things like deserted temple + terrain generator,
and Thawing glaciers<---(I guess I missed editing my list)
Thanks for the advice
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
I agree with all of Xanth’s edits plus:
-1 Redirect
-1 Rushing River (You don’t have enough lands to afford sacrificing)
-1 Kozilek(Ulamog is better because it is hard to find destroy effects in mono blue)
-1 Mystic Speculation(so much better things to do with 4 mana)
-1 Worn Powerstone
-1 Clockspinning (IDK why this is even in the deck. Explain?)
+1 Counterspell
+1 Cryptic Command
+1 Snapcaster Mage
+1 Crawlspace/Ensnaring Bridge (This can help you be protected from attacks)
+1 Mind stone (Gives you the mana early game and becomes an extra card late game)
+1 Evacuation (It’s like a wrath in Mono Blue)
Love Invoke Prejudice!!
I might edit this later ( I have to go)
I am back, I was wondering what your guys thoughts were to make this better this could be, taking out most of the artifact, or it could be as simple as putting in more counter,(I am thinking of going to the grand prix(Salt Lake City) and doing side events, ect... the advice you guys have given me has been great, someone said above I seem to be stuck between Artifacts and Wizards, well I like the whole combo with Mycosynth Lattice and Darksteel Forge and Unwinding Clock and also Nevinyrral's Disk like I locked down my friend with nevinyrral's disk+Unwinding clock+Darksteel forge, but I was also wondering would it be good to put in Knowledge Pool for its synergy with Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir? I could add in the cycling wizard to find Teferi? anyways as always your comments are welcome and will take them into consideration.
P.S. I was thinking about winter orb what do you guys think about that card would it be good in this deck?
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
It's little brother Wash Out is pretty good, too. Sometimes it can act as a one-sided wrath.
stuff
(EDIT1) sorry guys I have been so busy, I aspire to get this decklist updated sometime later today or tomorrow, and I just wanted to thank you guys/girls
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
@Allwinapprentice I have been busy and obviously my thread needs some more action, but for you I'll see I have a updated list by... lets say...tomorrow or sunday
I am sorry for not posting/editing this deck, Venser is being remade due to me realizing that I hardly win any multiplayer games anymore, in my meta at least which, I think is a call to change
I have discovered I was a complete idiot and I will not be mentioning my really bad mistake, all you need to know is when i realised that i was making a mistake, I felt like a complete and utter noob
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
I am not sure, I am thinking about moving most of the crazy artifact stuff into a Hanna, Ships Navigator deck and just make this deck go for Teferi lock and erayo lock what do you think
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
Here are my thoughts so far:
You run numerous artifacts, why not add in Tezzeret, The Seeker: hes a tutor, a mana rock untapper, and a win cond.
brittle effigy is a great removal spell that can be tutored for with trinket mage
I like pact of negation in blue edh decks, as it is a great way to stop their kill spell and buy yourself another turn if you lack the mana.
Have you considered shifting this deck to less wizard oriented, as venser doesnt do much for wizard tribal, and perhaps shifted it to a more blue - artifact control theme? As mentioned above, you run a few wizards that arent necessarily the best choices, however, there are tons of wizards that benefit artifacts that you have, you could expound upon that and really get something nasty going. (cloudkey, etherium sculptor, helm of awakening, etc)
i noticed on page 2 you mentioned erayo lock. if so, mandatory mention of arcane laboratory
I have added these for sure cloud key etherium sculptor magus of the future once again thanks for looking at my list I kinda need to look at yours again and take some more time so I can see if I have something to add
and in all actuallity I am sorting it now it just takes me forever, edit1: it has been updated FINALLY yay
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
Tezzeret the Seeker in my meta he wouldn't survive to do much except untap some mana rocks which may or may not make up for his cost i guess i could use him to tutor for some of my smaller thing or unwinding clock or Vedalken Orrery, I am also thinking of adding the wizard with wizardcycling
i am also thinking it might be worth putting knowledge pool in just because i can tutor for it and with Teferi I can lock the board
would love to have Erayo, Soratami Ascendant and Arcane Laboratory
I definitly would like to fit a pact of negation but once again what to take out for what
if you have suggestions on what to replace with what I would appreciate that very much due to the fact when i changed it last it was hard enough to figure out what to cut I think it was Tormod's Crypt, Scorched Ruins and Elixir of Immortality
and what i put in was Skill Borrower, Cloud Key and Laboratory Maniac
which was hard enough I also want to find something to take out for Future sight so i have another chance of getting the
Etherium Sculptor+Sensei's Divining Top+Magus of the Future effect if only there was another card that functioned like Sensei's Divining Top maybe Temple Bell? i could get something going with Courier's Capsule, Conjurer's Bauble, or even a Otherworld Atlas speaking of which that would be fun with Mind over Matter and Temple Bell works well with that too... still I don't have any idea on what to take out for what
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant
First and foremost, be prepared to be hated for doing what you are about to do. I have run an erayo deck; you need to be prepared to become the most hated player at the table.
I would remove the following 3 cards, i will give you my reason why as well:
Jace's Archivist - This is a card I used to love when i ran a combo deck, however, unless you are going for a combo and the win, his ability tends to benefit your opponents more than he helps you, as he gives away a significant amount of card draw. If you want to maintain his ability, replace him with Scroll Rack instead.
Mindbreak Trap - Meta wise, this could be great. in my circles, no one plays storm edh, and as a 1 of, not particularely useful unless you have a tutor and a way to draw it readily available. Great card, but not necessary outside of storm in my opinion.
Equilibrium or unwinding clock or Jin-gitaxias - Sort of a tough choice on this one. I dont know how much mileage you get out of unwinding clock, that might be the better choice in this instant. The way i see it, if you go for a full out lock style, i would keep equil and ditch jin. Jin is any hybrid deck, but he costs a ton of mana, and you have no way to guarantee you ever cast him when you need him. Totally your call on this one.
thanks for the comments i totally have a 2nd scroll rack i can trade for him (not being sarcastic), one thing i was using him for was a wizard body for sigil tracer and Azami, Lady of Scrolls
funny/sad thing is it seems like i get equal use of all of those like one game i get out mind over matter and Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur which ended carrying me to a win, because my deck pulls off being innocent a good amount until people get smart, the other thing is, because of where my deck sat in my meta (i am sure it changed quite a bit) but anyway where it was in the meta it was more like 2-4th in the ranking of who to deal with first and most of the time i would do nothing and fall under the radar and pull off something dumb maybe 3 out of 4 times that happened
but i might cut jin just because out of the 3 he can be the most annoying to have in hand early unless i have something like Braids, Conjurer Adept or have an Expedition Map and mana enough to want to keep it which is 3 mana one preferably that taps for blue
but I am sure if I look hard enough I will see something lackluster in the deck
like i could ditch the whole darksteel forge/mycosynth lattice thing which i never seem to see now days the again if the deck get much leaner I will take Braids, Conjurer Adept out if it gets to a point where she doesn't help me enough
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
Artifact (40)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Commander's Sphere
1x Crawlspace
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Darksteel Forge
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mycosynth Lattice
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Possessed Portal
1x Rakdos Signet
1x Reito Lantern
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of War and Peace
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Indulgence
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Torpor Orb
1x Trading Post
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blasted Landscape
1x Blood Crypt
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Dakmor Salvage
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x Dust Bowl
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Graven Cairns
1x Great Furnace
1x Polluted Mire
1x Remote Isle
1x Rishadan Port
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Snow-Covered Mountain
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sunken Ruins
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
Instant (2)
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Cyclonic Rift
Sorcery (2)
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Scrap Mastery
Planeswalker (1)
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Arcbound Reclaimer
1x Braids, Cabal Minion
1x Goblin Welder
1x Junk Diver
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Lodestone Golem
1x Master Transmuter
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
1x Myr Battlesphere
1x Myr Retriever
1x Nezumi Graverobber
1x Pentavus
1x Scarecrone
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Thopter Assembly
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Bitterblossom
1x Blood Funnel
1x Blood Moon
1x Contamination
1x Necropotence
1x Planar Chaos
1x Possibility Storm
1x Price of Glory
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Edrick, Spymaster of Trest
Venser, Shaper Savant