This is what my deck currently looks like if anyone cares. Not sure how content I am right now about it. Recently just converted it back from being a poison deck which was pretty fun and good but was less control oriented.
My build is very controlling I think and although my main objective is to get shiri's engin up and running I have plenty of other items I just don't see falkenrath noble as a clear win con and must include type of card, I'd much rather Pawn of Pawn of Ulamog or even Nirkana Revenant at a higher cmc.
I do find it interesting on the other hand using falkenrath noble defensively against wrath effects.
My apologies. I misunderstood your objection to running Falkenrath Noble. You are correct in the fact that it is not a clear win con or a must include. It is however quite good at what it does - consistently deal damage when you sac your creatures for Shirei shenanigans or force your opponent to sac theirs through STAX effects and act as a deterrent to wraths.
In playing our Shirei deck, I have noticed that it almost always wins by comboing out through a Contamination lock, STAX lock or taking infinite turns with Magistrate's Sceptre + Coretapper. However, having a way to consistently hand out damage, even in small doses is never a bad thing.
Current EDH Generals: WAvacyn, Angel of Hope|UAzami, Lady of Scrolls|B| Ob Nixilis, the Fallen|R Daretti, Scrap Savant|GEzuri, Renegade Leader|WUBrago, King Eternal|UBGrimgrin, Corpse-born|BR Wort, Boggart Auntie|RGUlasht, the Hate Seed|GW Captain Sisay|WBGhost Council of Orzhova|BGGlissa, the Traitor|GUExperiment Kraj|URMelek, Izzet Paragon RWJor Kadeen, the Prevailer|WBRKaalia of the Vast|GWBGhave, Guru of Spores|UBRMarchesa, the Black Rose
Retired WDarien, King of Kjeldor|RJaya Ballard, Task Mage|RNorin the Wary|GBMomir Vig, Simic Visionary|WUBRGSliver Overlord
In playing our Shirei deck, I have noticed that it almost always wins by comboing out through a Contamination lock, STAX lock or taking infinite turns with Magistrate's Sceptre + Coretapper. However, having a way to consistently hand out damage, even in small doses is never a bad thing.
I win so many games with Lightning Coils. If it sits out for 1 turn cycle it is not uncommon to to get 11+ 3/1 hast dudes. That adds up fast.
When my deck was a Poison deck it added a good deal of power to the deck. There are several 1/x poison guys and I didn't even run them all. Then to supliment them I had Contagion Clasp, Contagion Engine, Mortarpod, Thornbite Staff, Throne of Geth, and for a while hatred. I can still do some oc the tricks with my current deck like hook Thornbite staff to Flesh-Eater Imp, Plague Myr, or Inkmoth Nexus and ping poison people, sac a dude untap ping, repeat. It is pretty amazing with Ashnod's Altar, making the activation free. Add in some proliferate and some Dross Scorpion craziness and things can end real quick. It a few times I even assembled the infinite machine that does nothing unless you have a significant counter on something: Throne of Geth + Workhorse + Pentavus/Triskelavus + Dross Scorpion = infinite Proliferate or Infinite counters on something. Good Times. If you go Poison with Shirei Whispering Specter is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
consistently deal damage when you sac your creatures for Shirei shenanigans... having a way to consistently hand out damage, even in small doses is never a bad thing.
The key to this deck is protecting Shirei at all costs. Since most of your creatures are going to be quite small and really only have value as recurring sac fodder (or abusing ETB effects), the deck has a hard time winning without Shirei.
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Current EDH Generals: WAvacyn, Angel of Hope|UAzami, Lady of Scrolls|B| Ob Nixilis, the Fallen|R Daretti, Scrap Savant|GEzuri, Renegade Leader|WUBrago, King Eternal|UBGrimgrin, Corpse-born|BR Wort, Boggart Auntie|RGUlasht, the Hate Seed|GW Captain Sisay|WBGhost Council of Orzhova|BGGlissa, the Traitor|GUExperiment Kraj|URMelek, Izzet Paragon RWJor Kadeen, the Prevailer|WBRKaalia of the Vast|GWBGhave, Guru of Spores|UBRMarchesa, the Black Rose
Retired WDarien, King of Kjeldor|RJaya Ballard, Task Mage|RNorin the Wary|GBMomir Vig, Simic Visionary|WUBRGSliver Overlord
Kiku, Night's Flower seems good, especially with Karn. I've been having trouble destroying artifact creatures and artifacts in general (I took gate to phyrexia out) but this solves that issue with Karn, and it also is pretty good repeatable removal.
While it would be super awkward, you could play stuff like Night of Soul's Betrayal and Vampirism to enable you to play a bunch of creatures with 2 power. It would certainly be a Different Shirei deck, but probably not a good one.
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I really don't like Goodstuff, which makes me a Self-Proclaimed EDH Hipster. I'm also an avid theory-crafter, most of which are terrible.
It just hit me why aren't you running Silent Arbiter in here? it's a wonderful stall tactic to keep yourself from being targeted if people know what you are doing, and it is recoverable with shirei, seems doubly good!
It seems like a perfect card not to get run over by aggro or tokens.
EDIT: I have no idea why I didn't play this earlier. It seems like it was built for shirei.
1) Slows everything down, gives us time to build up speed.
2) We can sacrifice it on our turn then swing with our horde of 1/1 creatures.
3) We can sacrifice it in response to a declared attack so we can block with our horde of creatures.
I'm sorry I've been slow to update this. I've fallen behind with all my EDH decks a bit lately, and am looking to rectify that now.
Anyway, some interesting includes from AVR. Blood Artist is twenty million times better than Falkenrath Noble in here, and will certainly find a slot. Harvester of Souls is a fairly potent source of card advantage, and will likewise get itself in. Finally, I suppose Cavern of Souls is more or less mandatory, and it's not like I have any reason not to run it anyway. Plus, I still haven't actually put Jar of Eyeballs and Increasing Ambition in. Let's go with this:
-Nether Traitor: It doesn't do anything by itself, and I think I'd rather have the Artist's ability than its own on balance.
-Malevolant Awakening: Expensive compared to Reclamation, and I now actually have some life gain in this deck, so even less reason to ever want this.
-Crystal Ball: It's always going to be a fairly mediocre card-quality card, and Jar of Eyeballs just seems a lot better.
-Visara the Dreadful: Card is worse than Avatar of Woe, and it's rare that I'll wish I had both, I think.
-Swamp: I must say, I'm running a dangerously high amount of colourless-producing nonbasics, even for a monocolor deck. Never mind. The deck can still handle it for now.
EDIT: Played with Blood Artist the other day 4 player match. He was SICK! I never even got Shirei online with him out he just sat there and pinged once or twice butt then an Oblivion Stone hit& eventually went off and he hit for 12 divided as I see fit! With your engine on he's just going to be nutz! Can't wait to see how the other two do : )
Hey your deck looks similar to many others at first glance although I'm sure there are some suggestions I would give do you think you could fix your tagging though? I just don't want to search each card out. Also use this tag as well [SPOILER] [SPOILER] just add the / to the end tag place your [DECK] tags in between takes up less space on the forum.
Here is my list if you care to take a look I don't believe this is exactly what I am running but it's the closest list I have:
Hey! Thanks for letting me know about the cards not showing up. I use an add-on called "Autocard Anywhere" and any webpage that has text with a magic card name on it automatically becomes a rollover link to show the card image and prices. I forgot I had it lol!
I updated the formatting for my deck. What do you think?
1 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
Black dudes that work w/ Shirei
1 Abyssal Gatekeeper
1 Apprentice Necromancer
1 Ashen-Skin Zubera
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Black Cat
1 Bone Shredder
1 Cadaver Imp
1 Hell's Caretaker
1 Marsh Flitter
1 Priest of Yawgmoth
1 Reassembling Skeleton
1 Skirsdag High Priest
1 Soldevi Adnate
1 Thoughtpicker Witch
1 Viscera Seer
1 Junk Diver
1 Leaden Myr
1 Manakin
1 Mindless Automaton
1 Myr Retriever
1 Pentavus
1 Pilgrim's Eye
1 Plague Myr
1 Scarecrone
1 Triskelavus
1 Triskelion
1 Workhorse
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Flesh-Eater Imp
1 Kuldotha Forgemaster
1 Pawn of Ulamog
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Sadistic Hypnotist
1 Ancient Craving
1 Beseech the Queen
1 Demonic Collusion
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Promise of Power
1 Vampiric Tutor
Enchantments
1 Contamination
1 Grave Pact
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
Artifacts
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Blade of the Bloodchief
1 Citanul Flute
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Expedition Map
1 Genesis Chamber
1 Jar of Eyeballs
1 Lightning Coils
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Mindslaver
1 Phyrexian Altar
1 Scroll Rack
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Spawning Pit
1 Spine of Ish Sah
1 Thornbite Staff
1 Thousand-Year Elixir
1 Blinkmoth Nexus
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Buried Ruin
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Crypt of Agadeem
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Deserted Temple
1 Dust Bowl
1 High Market
1 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Phyrexia's Core
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Spawning Pool
14 Swamp
1 Temple of the False God
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Vesuva
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Winding Canyons
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Generals:
Arcum Dagsson, Asmira, Holy Avenger, Dakkon Blackblade, Doran, the Siege Tower, Hanna, Ship's Navigator, Horobi, Death's Wail , Konda, Lord of Eiganjo, Kresh the Bloodbraided, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Rhys, the Redeemed, Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker, Ulasht, the Hate Seed, Vorosh, the Hunter, Zur the Enchanter (Geratric Themed)
My apologies. I misunderstood your objection to running Falkenrath Noble. You are correct in the fact that it is not a clear win con or a must include. It is however quite good at what it does - consistently deal damage when you sac your creatures for Shirei shenanigans or force your opponent to sac theirs through STAX effects and act as a deterrent to wraths.
In playing our Shirei deck, I have noticed that it almost always wins by comboing out through a Contamination lock, STAX lock or taking infinite turns with Magistrate's Sceptre + Coretapper. However, having a way to consistently hand out damage, even in small doses is never a bad thing.
W Avacyn, Angel of Hope|U Azami, Lady of Scrolls|B | Ob Nixilis, the Fallen|R Daretti, Scrap Savant|G Ezuri, Renegade Leader|WUBrago, King Eternal|UB Grimgrin, Corpse-born|BR Wort, Boggart Auntie|RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed|GW Captain Sisay|WB Ghost Council of Orzhova|BG Glissa, the Traitor|GU Experiment Kraj|UR Melek, Izzet Paragon
RW Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer|WBR Kaalia of the Vast|GWB Ghave, Guru of Spores|UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose
Retired
WDarien, King of Kjeldor|R Jaya Ballard, Task Mage|R Norin the Wary|GB Momir Vig, Simic Visionary|WUBRG Sliver Overlord
I win so many games with Lightning Coils. If it sits out for 1 turn cycle it is not uncommon to to get 11+ 3/1 hast dudes. That adds up fast.
When my deck was a Poison deck it added a good deal of power to the deck. There are several 1/x poison guys and I didn't even run them all. Then to supliment them I had Contagion Clasp, Contagion Engine, Mortarpod, Thornbite Staff, Throne of Geth, and for a while hatred. I can still do some oc the tricks with my current deck like hook Thornbite staff to Flesh-Eater Imp, Plague Myr, or Inkmoth Nexus and ping poison people, sac a dude untap ping, repeat. It is pretty amazing with Ashnod's Altar, making the activation free. Add in some proliferate and some Dross Scorpion craziness and things can end real quick. It a few times I even assembled the infinite machine that does nothing unless you have a significant counter on something: Throne of Geth + Workhorse + Pentavus/Triskelavus + Dross Scorpion = infinite Proliferate or Infinite counters on something. Good Times. If you go Poison with Shirei Whispering Specter is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
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Generals:
Arcum Dagsson, Asmira, Holy Avenger, Dakkon Blackblade, Doran, the Siege Tower, Hanna, Ship's Navigator, Horobi, Death's Wail , Konda, Lord of Eiganjo, Kresh the Bloodbraided, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Rhys, the Redeemed, Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker, Ulasht, the Hate Seed, Vorosh, the Hunter, Zur the Enchanter (Geratric Themed)
I agree completely Gavvin in that sense I've thought about Perilous Myr or even Infectious Host to go along with Trisk. I feel I'd be far to tempted to go infinite damage with Hell's Caretaker and Thornbite Staff
I'll post my deck later on today I just need to edit the changes I've made!
1 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Mindless Automaton
1 Plagued Rusalka
1 houghtpicker Witch
1 Ashen-Skin Zubera
1 Nezumi Bone-Reader
1 Chimney Imp
1 Triskelion
1 Guiltfeeder
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Ravenous Rats
1 Apprentice Necromancer
1 Junk Diver
1 Bone Shredder
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Thrull Surgeon
1 Coffin Queen
1 Crypt Rats
1 Fallen Angel
1 Hell's Caretaker
1 Noxious Toad
1 Royal Assassin
1 Necroskitter
1 Kuon, Ogre Ascendant
1 Pilgrim's Eye
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Bloodthrone Vampire
1 Cadaver Imp
1 Viscera Seer
1 Skirsdag High Priest
1 Black Cat
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Mind Slash
1 Black Market
1 Attrition
1 Contamination
1 Pestilence
1 Grave Pact
1 Gate to Phyrexia
15 Swamp
1 Lake of the Dead
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vesuva
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Blinkmoth Nexus
1 Barren Moor
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Deserted Temple
1 Petrified Field
1 Dust Bowl
1 High Market
1 Spawning Pool
1 Blasted Landscape
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Crypt of Agadeem
1 Polluted Mire
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Buried Ruin
1 Lightning Coils
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Phyrexian Altar
1 Citanul Flute
1 Smokestack
1 Helm of Possession
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Sol Ring
1 Expedition Map
1 Nim Deathmantle
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Champion's Helm
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Jar of Eyeballs
1 Decree of Pain
1 Plague Wind
1 Victimize
1 Living Death
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Exsanguinate
1 Black Sun's Zenith
Here is my dilemma list of cards if any of you have comments or experience with any of them or any cards not listed.
Cards that are in but am currently unsure about:
Braids, Cabal Minion
Oversold Cemetery
Oblivion Stone
Smokestack
Nim Deathmantle
Victimize
Cards I'm looking at adding:
Marsh Flitter
Thieving Sprite
Myr Retriever
Abyssal Gatekeeper
Blade of the Bloodchief
Fume Spitter
Perilous Myr
The key to this deck is protecting Shirei at all costs. Since most of your creatures are going to be quite small and really only have value as recurring sac fodder (or abusing ETB effects), the deck has a hard time winning without Shirei.
W Avacyn, Angel of Hope|U Azami, Lady of Scrolls|B | Ob Nixilis, the Fallen|R Daretti, Scrap Savant|G Ezuri, Renegade Leader|WUBrago, King Eternal|UB Grimgrin, Corpse-born|BR Wort, Boggart Auntie|RG Ulasht, the Hate Seed|GW Captain Sisay|WB Ghost Council of Orzhova|BG Glissa, the Traitor|GU Experiment Kraj|UR Melek, Izzet Paragon
RW Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer|WBR Kaalia of the Vast|GWB Ghave, Guru of Spores|UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose
Retired
WDarien, King of Kjeldor|R Jaya Ballard, Task Mage|R Norin the Wary|GB Momir Vig, Simic Visionary|WUBRG Sliver Overlord
Also what do you think of Heartless Summoning? seems breakable to me..
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Seems bad unless you rebuild your whole deck around getting it out and then you run the problem of trying to get it out.
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Generals:
Arcum Dagsson, Asmira, Holy Avenger, Dakkon Blackblade, Doran, the Siege Tower, Hanna, Ship's Navigator, Horobi, Death's Wail , Konda, Lord of Eiganjo, Kresh the Bloodbraided, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Rhys, the Redeemed, Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker, Ulasht, the Hate Seed, Vorosh, the Hunter, Zur the Enchanter (Geratric Themed)
While it would be super awkward, you could play stuff like Night of Soul's Betrayal and Vampirism to enable you to play a bunch of creatures with 2 power. It would certainly be a Different Shirei deck, but probably not a good one.
BBBMBC Shirei StyleBBB
URUNiv-Mizzet, Warp WorldURU
BGRKresh the BloodbraidedBGR
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EDIT: I have no idea why I didn't play this earlier. It seems like it was built for shirei.
1) Slows everything down, gives us time to build up speed.
2) We can sacrifice it on our turn then swing with our horde of 1/1 creatures.
3) We can sacrifice it in response to a declared attack so we can block with our horde of creatures.
Modern: Jund, Wafo-Tapa UWR
Legacy: Witch-Maw Stoneblade
EDH: Ruhan of the Fomori, Hazezon Tamar, Maga, Traitor to Mortals
The whole set isn't even spoiled yet and there are already some pretty awesome additions for Shirei decks.
Harvester of Souls
Killing Wave
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Anyway, some interesting includes from AVR. Blood Artist is twenty million times better than Falkenrath Noble in here, and will certainly find a slot. Harvester of Souls is a fairly potent source of card advantage, and will likewise get itself in. Finally, I suppose Cavern of Souls is more or less mandatory, and it's not like I have any reason not to run it anyway. Plus, I still haven't actually put Jar of Eyeballs and Increasing Ambition in. Let's go with this:
-Nether Traitor: It doesn't do anything by itself, and I think I'd rather have the Artist's ability than its own on balance.
-Malevolant Awakening: Expensive compared to Reclamation, and I now actually have some life gain in this deck, so even less reason to ever want this.
-Crystal Ball: It's always going to be a fairly mediocre card-quality card, and Jar of Eyeballs just seems a lot better.
-Visara the Dreadful: Card is worse than Avatar of Woe, and it's rare that I'll wish I had both, I think.
-Swamp: I must say, I'm running a dangerously high amount of colourless-producing nonbasics, even for a monocolor deck. Never mind. The deck can still handle it for now.
+The five cards mentioned above.
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Jar of Eyeballs is an awesome card so much advantage! It's basically a hybrid of Black Market/Beseech the Queen.
EDIT: Played with Blood Artist the other day 4 player match. He was SICK! I never even got Shirei online with him out he just sat there and pinged once or twice butt then an Oblivion Stone hit& eventually went off and he hit for 12 divided as I see fit! With your engine on he's just going to be nutz! Can't wait to see how the other two do : )
What do you guys think?
I think I'm reliant on too many creatures at the moment. Any advice?
1 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
Creature (29)
1 Necroskitter
1 Silent Arbiter
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Thoughtpicker Witch
1 Abyssal Gatekeeper
1 Apprentice Necromancer
1 Sentinel
1 Bottle Gnomes
1 Bone Shredder
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Cadaver Imp
1 Coffin Queen
1 Hell's Caretaker
1 Junk Diver
1 Mindless Automaton
1 Myr Retriever
1 Pentavus
1 Pilgrim's Eye
1 Plagued Rusalka
1 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
1 Triskelavus
1 Guiltfeeder
1 Kiku, Night's Flower
1 Sorceress Queen
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Blood Artist
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Viscera Seer
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Profane Command
1 Plague Wind
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Exsanguinate
Planeswalker (1)
1 Liliana Vess
Artifact (15)
1 Jar of Eyeballs
1 Meekstone
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Noetic Scales
1 Helm of Possession
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Extraplanar Lens
1 Lightning Coils
1 Possessed Portal
1 Mask of Avacyn
1 Smokestack
Land (37)
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Buried Ruin
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Deserted Temple
1 High Market
1 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vesuva
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
24 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Dust Bowl
1 Necropotence
1 Mind Slash
1 Attrition
1 Black Market
1 Grave Pact
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Contamination
1 Hecatomb
Instant (2)
1 Undying Evil
1 Insidious Dreams
Maybeboard (11)
1 Golgari Thug
1 Dying Wail
1 Cauldron of Souls
1 Summoner's Egg
1 Dread Return
1 Urborg Justice
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Wall of Corpses
1 Fallen Ideal
1 Ritual of the Machine
1 Plunge into Darkness
Here is my list if you care to take a look I don't believe this is exactly what I am running but it's the closest list I have:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edh-shirei-shizos-caretaker/
Welcome to the thread!
I updated the formatting for my deck. What do you think?
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